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frogstamper 19-04-2008 21:51

Take cover Andromeda's coming.
 
Well not just yet anyway, but our own galaxy the Milky Way and our nearest galactic neighbour Andromeda are currently on a collision course:dozey: speeding towards each other at 120 kilometers a second.

Admittedly this will not happen for another 2 billion years, but it will happen. Will humanity still be around? if so they will hopefully have found a new home by then, if not its curtains.

PS Beam me up Scotty!


http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...m-home&ref=rss

Xaccers 19-04-2008 22:23

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We'll probably have collided with Vega long before then.

Hugh 20-04-2008 00:29

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So disappointed - I thought it was a porn movie starring Lexa Doig (Rommie)

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/04/102.jpghttps://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...008/04/103.jpg

G UK 20-04-2008 02:02

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And there was me worrying about the Sun engulfing the earth in 5 Billion years. This is a much more pressing matter:D

Edit: Must type all words in future

hoggie 20-04-2008 02:29

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and here's me worried about my fence blowing down in the wind

Hom3r 20-04-2008 02:31

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did you know that lexa is married to Michael Shanks (Daniel jackson of SG-1)

Mal 20-04-2008 02:32

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34533121)
did you know that lexa is married to Michael Shanks (Daniel jackson of SG-1)

Yes

Hom3r 20-04-2008 02:33

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She is very hot

TheBlueRaja 20-04-2008 10:51

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So nobody's heard of our 1 in 450 chance of annihilation in 2036 by a 200 billion tonne asteroid then.

Scarlett 20-04-2008 12:37

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34533192)
So nobody's heard of our 1 in 450 chance of annihilation in 2036 by a 200 billion tonne asteroid then.

I heard that he got his sums wrong

TheBlueRaja 20-04-2008 12:38

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Originally Posted by Scarlett (Post 34533241)
I heard that he got his sums wrong

Thats what they want you to think... ;)

frogstamper 20-04-2008 12:49

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34533192)
So nobody's heard of our 1 in 450 chance of annihilation in 2036 by a 200 billion tonne asteroid then.

Gives you confidence in NASA stories like this. When you take into account the "dinosaur" asteroid 65 million years ago, and god knows how many more have hit since, it seems very unlikely the human race will make it to the Andromeda event. Look at the Moon or Mars and see how many impacts they have, which can be clearly seen due to little or no atmosphere and no weathering, it makes you realise our luck will not hold out forever. What we really need is SG1 on hand, and maybe the Asgard.;)

Cobbydaler 20-04-2008 13:00

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If you think about it logically, even if the asteroid hit the ISS in 2029, is a 200 billion tonne body going to be significantly deflected by a sub 500 tonne object?

frogstamper 20-04-2008 13:47

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 34533263)
If you think about it logically, even if the asteroid hit the ISS in 2029, is a 200 billion tonne body going to be significantly deflected by a sub 500 tonne object?

I thought that, but I suppose that if it did hit the ISS it would be well, well close already to the atmosphere, so even if it upset its trajectory by a minuscule amount by the time it comes around again it might well hit us.

Mick 20-04-2008 15:05

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They say there is quite a few astronomical events that could wipe out life on Earth. It's up to us if we believe them or not.

If your worried about big celestial bodies hitting us - fear this monster if it ever came our way its in this galaxy:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hsQA3wo3Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VV_Cephei

On the Wiki page you can see its size in comparison to our own Sun.

soup dragon 20-04-2008 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34532939)
Well not just yet anyway, but our own galaxy the Milky Way and our nearest galactic neighbour Andromeda are currently on a collision course:dozey: speeding towards each other at 120 kilometers a second.

Admittedly this will not happen for another 2 billion years, but it will happen. Will humanity still be around? if so they will hopefully have found a new home by then, if not its curtains.

PS Beam me up Scotty!


http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...m-home&ref=rss

strangely enough i went to the new planetarium at Intech on friday and was told the exact same thing during on e of the shows. Very good if you live in the south of england by the way!

frogstamper 20-04-2008 20:58

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 34533392)
They say there is quite a few astronomical events that could wipe out life on Earth. It's up to us if we believe them or not.

If your worried about big celestial bodies hitting us - fear this monster if it ever came our way its in this galaxy:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hsQA3wo3Q

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VV_Cephei

On the Wiki page you can see its size in comparison to our own Sun.

The shear size of Cepheus's in comparison to our own Sun is incredible, like a grain of sand compared to a football. But if the Earth does survive the Andromeda event, we can look forward to our own Sun expanding into a red giant, apparently Mercury and Venus will be engulfed and the Earth rendered uninhabitable due to the extreme heat, but we have some time yet, about 6 billion years.;)

TheBlueRaja 20-04-2008 22:39

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34533712)
The shear size of Cepheus's in comparison to our own Sun is incredible, like a grain of sand compared to a football. But if the Earth does survive the Andromeda event, we can look forward to our own Sun expanding into a red giant, apparently Mercury and Venus will be engulfed and the Earth rendered uninhabitable due to the extreme heat, but we have some time yet, about 6 billion years.;)

No necessarily so, its not "theoretically" that hard to change the orbit of the earth by shunting a reasonably large object into an earth orbit and pulling earth further away from the sun by using its gravity to alter our orbit. Then its simply a matter of building a Dyson sphere, emigrating and hey, bobs your uncle, were alright but the earth might get a bit nippy.

I'd expect that to be a piece of pie in 6 billion years, should buy us a wee bit longer before the sun, well, dies.

frogstamper 20-04-2008 23:14

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34533810)
No necessarily so, its not "theoretically" that hard to change the orbit of the earth by shunting a reasonably large object into an earth orbit and pulling earth further away from the sun by using its gravity to alter our orbit. Then its simply a matter of building a Dyson sphere, emigrating and hey, bobs your uncle, were alright but the earth might get a bit nippy.

I'd expect that to be a piece of pie in 6 billion years, should buy us a wee bit longer before the sun, well, dies.

Of course, I forgot about the possibility of a "Dyson Sphere", [like the one Scotty crashed into] the only problem at present is to get Mr Dyson away from vacuum cleaners, and get him to think a "bit" bigger;) Who knows it could well be one of his descendants that is predestined to save the human race.:)

boroboi 28-04-2008 13:36

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34533810)
No necessarily so, its not "theoretically" that hard to change the orbit of the earth by shunting a reasonably large object into an earth orbit and pulling earth further away from the sun by using its gravity to alter our orbit. Then its simply a matter of building a Dyson sphere, emigrating and hey, bobs your uncle, were alright but the earth might get a bit nippy.

I'd expect that to be a piece of pie in 6 billion years, should buy us a wee bit longer before the sun, well, dies.

That being said, you'd want to build a dyson's sphere around a healthy star, not a dying star. Cirtainly not a red giant.

TheBlueRaja 28-04-2008 17:53

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Originally Posted by boroboi (Post 34540126)
That being said, you'd want to build a dyson's sphere around a healthy star, not a dying star. Cirtainly not a red giant.

A dying star would be fine, you'd be able to suck it dry for good few thousand years.

You obviously want it AFTER its became a red giant though hence shifting earth orbit.

frogstamper 28-04-2008 18:13

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Here's Sir James Dyson, possibly working on a prelude to the "Dyson Sphere" https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2008/04/7.jpg:D

Xaccers 28-04-2008 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34533712)
The shear size of Cepheus's in comparison to our own Sun is incredible, like a grain of sand compared to a football. But if the Earth does survive the Andromeda event, we can look forward to our own Sun expanding into a red giant, apparently Mercury and Venus will be engulfed and the Earth rendered uninhabitable due to the extreme heat, but we have some time yet, about 6 billion years.;)

So I've got time for another cup of tea then?

frogstamper 28-04-2008 18:25

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34540313)
So I've got time for another cup of tea then?

A quick one Xaccers.;)

boroboi 28-04-2008 20:56

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34540295)
A dying star would be fine, you'd be able to suck it dry for good few thousand years.

You obviously want it AFTER its became a red giant though hence shifting earth orbit.

Well, the reasoning behind Dyson's theory was that you would live on the inside surface of the sphere, being able to consume all of the energy the star gives out.

Building such a structure only for the star to expand and die in such a short space of time means you've got a giant sphere and a dead planet, what a waste. In the case of shifting the earth's orbit, there would be no need for a Sphere. Surely if we ever had the technology to build such a structure, we'd do it around a star we could live with rather than one with such a small life expectancy ;) and one we could surely suck dry for as much time as we needed.

Hugh 28-04-2008 22:39

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Or a Ringworld

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TheBlueRaja 28-04-2008 23:20

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Originally Posted by boroboi (Post 34540526)
Well, the reasoning behind Dyson's theory was that you would live on the inside surface of the sphere, being able to consume all of the energy the star gives out.

Building such a structure only for the star to expand and die in such a short space of time means you've got a giant sphere and a dead planet, what a waste. In the case of shifting the earth's orbit, there would be no need for a Sphere. Surely if we ever had the technology to build such a structure, we'd do it around a star we could live with rather than one with such a small life expectancy ;) and one we could surely suck dry for as much time as we needed.

I think you need to understand that a "short time" in terms of a dying sun is actually a very long time in human terms.

homealone 29-04-2008 00:22

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34540645)
I think you need to understand that a "short time" in terms of a dying sun is actually a very long time in human terms.

true, but the diameter of the sun apropos the radiated energy & the conceivable structure which could be assembled to receive it, is also important - the references to 'Ringworld' are moot, as Larry Niven did try to get his head round the concept - at the same time as inventing Rishathra ;)

boroboi 29-04-2008 01:53

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Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34540645)
I think you need to understand that a "short time" in terms of a dying sun is actually a very long time in human terms.

Not if you consider the amount of time it would take to actually contruct the sphere, that alone would probably take centuries in itself given the level of technology at the time.

Building a Dyson sphere around a dying star would be the same as living on a planet around a dying star. Suicide. The surface of the sphere would still have to be within the habitable zone and would be just as susceptable to the unstable nature of a star turning red giant. Its not practical, and it serves no purpose, which is why one would construct one around a healthy star, much like our own today.

CrowmanUK 30-04-2008 13:44

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Bloody hell and there was me just worrying about planetx and the reptile invasion thats due in 2012

http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

frogstamper 30-04-2008 19:34

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Originally Posted by CrowmanUK (Post 34541630)
Bloody hell and there was me just worrying about planetx and the reptile invasion thats due in 2012

http://projectcamelot.org/norway.html

Dear oh rear, sounds like a friend of David Icke.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

CrowmanUK 01-05-2008 01:05

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lmao, he does get a mention on one of the sites, so rest assured if something doesnt hit us or we dont get eaten by a race of lizard men we'll definitely drown in loonies.


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