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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7300521.stm

So we let them fight our battles.


We let them die in our battles.

Then when this and previous Governments have finished with them we make them apply to stay here and they then have to fight for that.


But we allow Illegal immigrants to stay and leach everything they can scam from us


So what spin will we hear from the Pretender and his joke of a Government today at Question time.

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Agree - and for all those who accuse everyone who shows any concern about immigration of being racist xenophobes, I'm happy to be one who would happily see these loyal hardworking people come to live in the UK.

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So the figures for deported illegal immigrants are completely made up?
None have been deported at all?
Wow. That's amazing!


As for the Gurkhas, they've been treated appaulingly by successive governments, but then so are most of our service men and women, and this must change.
Apparently there are thousands of Polish immigrants who are desperate to join our army and fight for Britain.
A friend of mine from Hong Kong who'd lived here since '94 was deported as his student visa ran out and he'd not been aware that because he took a year out during his degree his "time in the country" was reset, the previous 11 years no longer counted, so unable to claim ILR and then British Citizenship, he had to leave. His dream was to join the army too.
Should I contact him and let him know he can come back as we allow illegal immigrants to stay now?

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To be fair, I don't think Sirius stated that ALL illegal immigrants are allowed to stay. Deportations aside, far too many still are though and the irony is that people, like your friend, who deserve to be treated better aren't.

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Correct.

Just waiting for the accusations to start flowing now.

I agree that there are those that are removed, but only after every possible Human Rights law has been attempted and exhausted.

Meanwhile the Gurkha's are a easy target for those that don't in my opinion fully support those that chose to defend this country.

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To be fair he said "we allow Illegal immigrants to stay" when we clearly don't.
Unless he's saying something along the lines of "the police allowed a crime to take place because they weren't there to stop it and knew nothing about it, therefore crime is allowed"

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Well if we are being pedantic are you saying that no illegal immigrant has ever been allowed to stay here either officially or unoffically? I think most people reading Sirius' comment will understand what was meant by it as I suspect you do. The fact that someone in that position may no longer be considered 'illegal' by the state doesn't alter the point that they entered the country illegally and have been allowed to stay either by having their legal status changed or simply due to the failure of the authorities to detect and remove them.

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If they are allowed to stay, they're no longer an illegal immigrant, they'd have been given leave to remain.

Oh I think I fully understand what was meant by Sirius' comment.

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Dont worry. This will turn in to yet another word game thread. Before long there will be comments that can or cannot be taken to mean this or that. I think some know what i am talking about.

I know what i said and if for once someone wants to back up there accusation then do it now. I am sick and tired of the veiled accusation like this

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You ignore the fact that people are also being allowed to stay in effect because the state doesn't find them or remove them. Until these people are either given the right to remain or deported they remain here illegally which is what Sirius pointed out.

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IMHO anyone regardless of their country of origin should be given permenant residancy of this country if they have volunteered to lay their life on the line for our country.

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Mean while the Gurkha's are in the full glare of this so called Government and treated poorly. Easy targets :rolleyes:

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Agree 100%

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I think the government has lost the plot with regards to immigration.

The immigration system is so inefficient that it allows just about anyone in and cannot give numbers or say where they are.

And then to top it all they refuse entry to the Gurkhas.

I think the government's treatment of the Gurkhas is appalling. Having said that they treat our own troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in the same way.

Maybe we need to put MPs in the firing line and see if that changes their perspective about how we treat those who put their lives on the line for Queen and country.

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Wasn't it the conditions laid down by the Nepalese government that control how the Gurkha's were treated. After all, permission is required to recruit in Nepal. The Nepalese don't want to lose people permanently or have people returning to Nepal as relatively rich people, both of which would distort the country.

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Surely, that's a violation of their human rights?

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Am I allowed to nick £10 from your bank account each week because you don't notice it? Were you allowing me? No of course not.
I know from personal experience that illegal immigrants are being targetted and dealt with.

:clap:
Gets my vote

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I think you are correct.

I have spoken to a few people who have been to Nepal on military duties and they all seem to tell the same story. The villages feed up the strongest boys in the hope that they will get into the army, when they retire back to Nepal after army service they settle back in the same village.

One told me that back in the 90's when he visited you would see villages with shanty type houses and then on the side of the mountain there would be a huge mansion, this would be owned by ex seargent xyz. He said that the ex soldiers would return and would put something back in to repay the village for helping him get into the army, it could be a water supply, school, generator etc.

He did say that the government were anxious about individuals receiving too much pension, because they may not return home and help the villages or it could create a greater divide between rich and poor. There was a huge fuss in this country about them receiving comparable pension to UK born soldiers, but the sum they received even though considerably less allowed them to live a very rich and comfortable life on their return to Nepal.

I agree that it seemed unfair that they are not paid like for like, but unfortunately it has now created problems in Nepal with very rich few and now it will mean some can afford not even return to spread some of their wealth amongst those who helped them become wealthy.

Perhaps a better system would of been for the MOD to spend the money (difference) on improving facilities and infrastructure in their country instead of creating millonaires.

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The term 'allowed' can mean being given permission to do something, it can also mean being given the opportunity to do something, for example, by inaction or negligence. They are NOT the same thing.

In that situation of course I would not be allowing it in the sense of giving permission but the bank's lax security may well have allowed it to happen nonetheless. In credit card ID fraud it is rarely the victim's permission which allows the fraud - it's the bank systems which aren't robust enough to prevent it. There is no law allowing electoral fraud but I have just posted a thread about the lax procedures which ALLOW it to take place.

We all know that illegal immigrants are being dealt with but for a variety of reasons it will never be possible for ALL illegals to be identified or removed and hence the the circumstances will have 'allowed' them to remain at liberty.

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So the pretender has ducked the issue and refused to support those serving before 1997. The man is a coward and a traitor.

He has failed to support our troops
He has sold the country down the road to Europe
He supported the lie on Iraq
He still supports the lie on iraq.

The sooner he is kicked out of power and the bunch of yes men with him the better.


So those that support Labour what do you think of your cowards now.

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This is a disgusting situation that SHOULD not be happening in these times those gurkhas have more right to live in the UK then many that were born here. Any man that puts on the uniform and is prepared to give his life for us should not have to apply to live here it should be a basic right and thank you for what they do. Also instead of giving millions in aid to corrupt regimes whereever we as a nation should put in more money in nepal and as much technical help as they need to raise their standard of living.

As for the other debate going on here about "illegals" there seem to be a core of posters that always word comments in such a way that they can insinuate without commiting and also allow themselves room to move pending how the comment is taken. Just because some posters are\think they are smarter then others doesn't mean they have a right to patronise the opinions of others as maybe just maybe they are not as smart as they think.

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Being due to reasons beyond our control means we are not allowing it to happen, for instance by not stopping the Sun rising, are we allowing the Sun to rise? No of course not. What the Sun does is beyond our control. An illegal immigrant who successfully remains hidden and therefore beyond the control of the immigration office is not being allowed to stay, they are just staying.

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Well said

I have been accused before and again today an answer was worded in that way. so that should i have retailiated i would have been the one to receive a warning and the person who used a two sided answer will get away with it. Just like last time. :rolleyes:

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but if the Government spent some money on stopping them getting in to this country in the first place then we might not have the problem.

Why can they not have every Vehicle, searched at the docks in France before they get on the ferries and trains instead of the lip service that is given at the moment.

This Government is more interested in Preventing the entry of cheap fags and booze than Illegal immigrants that have traveled through plenty of safe countries before entering the free bank of England. Meanwhile those that have stood and put there lives on the line for this country are a easy target for a bunch of cowards that see them as a way of increasing the figures of those told to leave this country.

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That assumes that every illegal immigrant enters as an illegal immigrant, and via France on trains and ferries.
Mate of mine was an illegal immigrant for a few months last year, after living here for 14 years (he's 20), now he's legal for the next few years.

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It is not factors beyond the Government's control which allow illegal immigrants to stay here whether indefinitely or not. It is a ridiculous set of rules/regulations which have come to be under a number of governments over the years and the failure (for various reasons) of the authorities to act effectively which has caused the difficulties we have NOT the impossibility of the task. Their negligence and ineptitude in these is matters is what's responsible for allowing such abuse of the system and it's entirely within their control if not their ability or intentions. If I leave my front door open I don't give permission for others to enter but I allow (ie give them the opportunity) to do so if they so wish.

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So you were a friend of his while he was illegal ? if so why didn't you report him ?.

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Lets cut to the chase here.

Which way do you think the bulk of illegal immigrants enter this country and from what country's ports ?

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Possibly because he was only technically illegal and not actually illegal :D In any event, the system 'allowed' him to remain in the country while he was illegal because it failed to prevent it.

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I ask osem as i have reported someone that was a friend and i found out he was an illegal. If someone says to me they are illegal i report i leave it to the proper authorities to decide what type of illegal they are.

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I was only being lighthearted about Xaccers' possible response. ;)

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So you don't think it's unreasonable for the immigration office to know exactly where the illegal immigrant Joe Blogsein is at all times?
They should somehow know if he moves location then?
Crystal ball or sooth sayers?

Because to do so would have been detrimental to everyone involved, me, him, Britain. Instead we're in a situation now where everyone involved benefits. I can still pop round and see him, he gets to live in the country and house where he grew up in, and gets an education, his uni gets thousands and thousands of pounds worth of funding, council get's it's tax, utilities companies get an income, Tesco's sell more goods, etc etc.
The only downer at the moment is that due to changes in the work side of the student visa it's nigh impossible for him to get a job, so that less money for the economy, but hey, it's what the tabloids wanted.

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Actually I think it's entirely unreasonable to expect that. I do however feel that if Joe Blogsein, his extended family and their rabid dog should've had a much tougher time getting here in the first place and if that were indeed the case there'd be a whole lot less of his ilk for the authorites here to trace and remove. The end result of that would be there'd be far fewer illegals living here whether they arrived as illegals or came with visas and overstayed. The system would also then be able to act more quickly and compassionately in the case of genuine asylum seekers.

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The thing is, Joe Blogsein arrived in 2002 on a tourist visa totally legally.

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...and I made the point* that if illegals who'd entered otherwise found life a bit tougher it would be easier for the authorities to deal with the rest, including your chum. Who knows they may even be a bit more sensible about his situation too. As it is the system is so swamped by illegals of all descriptions that everyone gets tarred with the same brush, including those who need asylum and those like the Gurkhas who most people would happily allow to remain here.


* clearly after you copied my post.

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And he's a white Australian :)

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Hmmm....... maybe Australia isn't the promised land they all like to claim it is :D

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Well you know what they say when an Australian migrates over here don't you?
The average IQ goes up in both countries :D

He's got another 39,999 fellow illegal immigrant Australians to keep him company though
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/797491.stm

I'm sure I read somewhere that Australians are the largest or one of the largest groups of illegal immigrants in London. Course if they were all deported, the pubs would be shut down.

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Seriously. I may be wrong, but I recall reading a while ago that that the single largest group of people staying in the UK illegally is Australians that overstay their working holiday visa.

Edit: It's even worse. British backpackers are the largest group of illegal workers in Australia :shocked:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4226949.stm

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Excuse me but I think there are two threads going on here.Could we please please separate them?This IS the thread about the rights of Gurkhas serving before 1997 to become British Citizens NOT the wrongs or rights of immigration so why not take the other to another thread?Otherwise we are going to get right away from the original issue.:shrug:

I think that they should have the choice and I've always been appalled that they weren't given the right automatically right from the start.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2786991.stm

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:clap::clap::clap::clap:

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The Gurkhas have my vote every time!

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And mine.

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They have everyone's vote apart from that selfish bunch in westminster.

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What they need to do is register as an overseas student,get a student visa,come here and just stay on...simple.

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:notopic:

Please stick to the subject of this thread which is the Gurkas right of residence and not drift into igeneral mmigration policies thanks.

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OK then. It would appear that they have no legal right of residence and the only arguments for granting such a right seem to be;

(a) they fight in the British army and have died/won many battle honors in various conflicts

(b) A rather more spurious argument that we let everyone else in (presumably less deserving) so why not let the Ghurkas in?

Neither arguments have very much validity since being a crown employee or servant does not convey citizenship or a right to live and work here.


Also the many other people who come here as referred to in (b) above are presumably here perfectly legally since they are members of the enlarged EU,are students,are close relatives of people already given leave to live here or are refugees.

My own personal feeling is that I would happily grant leave to reside here to Ghurkas and their IMMEDIATE familes i.e wife and children only and at the same time,I would cancel or severely curtail the applications for leave to reside here by those collectively in group B above.

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totally agree.

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Gurkas, live and die for this country, and therefore, deserve the highest accolade that this country can give them, l would give them anything, rather than give them scamming immigrants one penny, Gurkas, give the ultimate to this country, what do the immigrants give us, nothing but hell.

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Oh how you make me laugh Arthur.

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I have nothing but admiration for these men of Nepal. They possess all the qualities of first class soldiers. They are disciplined, & feared by all forces the world over. They have chosen to give their loyalty, & their lives to Great Britain. They have been treated shabbily by successive governments & none more so than this pack of idiots in power now.

Any person who serves & fights for this country, as a member of the armed forces, deserves equal pay, status, & the right to live here. As an old squaddie I am ashamed of the way these fine men have been, & are still treated.

Not all immigrants are bad. The last person to win the Victoria Cross was an immigrant. Pte Johnson Beharry was one of eight children living in Grenada. He moved to Britain when he was 19. He worked as a labourer on building sites before joining the Army. This is the highest honour this country can bestow on a soldier.

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You forgot to blame Ken Livingstone for their plight, Arth. ;)

btw, you do realise that the Gurkhas would be immigrants, don't you?

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Im surprised we wouldnt bite their hands off to stay - Probably some of, if not the best and most disciplined regular soldiers in our forces.

Model citizens, I would love a few living round here.

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Except these ones, we can do without them
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2069092.stm

Lippy kid in a bar got beaten to death. No one was found guilty because there was no way to proove who's boot delt the fatal blow. Radio4 did a program on it, and from what I remember their commanding officer wasn't too happy with the outcome of the case but had to abide by it.

I hate it when a few members of an honourable group bring that group into disrepute, more so when criminal activities, especially a murder, is involved.

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Reading that it was an accident and not how you described it, the fight was between soldiers and they were caught up in the middle.

They can still come...

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Well said.

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They shouldn't have to beg to come and live here if that is what they want it should be offered them as soon as their service ends. This government shames me and everyone else in this country by their treatment of these loyal and brave little sods who also have a wicked sense of humour :) and would be a plus to any community they were part of.

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Wicked sense of humour! Two of them certainly made me laugh.

I arrived at a camp where they were on guard duty, I had been to this camp a number of times but the facility I was visiting had moved buildings. After getting over the communication problem, they offered to escort me. (the security threat level had been raised)

This was unusual because I usually get an unescorted pass on the camps, anyway I had a job to keep a straight face as one of them was struggling to get into the back of the Mondeo with his gun. It was such a comedy of errors I was hoping the gun wasn't loaded. Then at the first block the other one got out and was running in front of the car while I followed, eventually they found the building on the camp and they both started running back to the guard house.

It was the wrong building after all that.lol

You had to be there to appreciate it.

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Years ago on Salisbury plain the Gurkha's were sent out at night Tank hunting.

Our Squadron was their target. I was woken in the middle of the night to find that they had found us, And that they had entered the tents of every tank crew and were sat with their guns pointing at us and a bloody big grin on their faces. If it was for real they would have taken out a complete tank squadron with nothing more than their SA80's :shocked:

Very very good at what they do, And i for one would not like to have to fight against them in a battle.

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Hi Foreverwar, l don't blame Ken for everything, as the immigrants comment, l watched a tv doc, a couple of years ago, on the Gurkas, and it brought tears to my eyes, on what the people did, just to get to the recruitment centre, and the joy in there face, when they got chosen, to be a Gurka, this country should be very proud to have these guys fighting for this country, can you imagine, your waiting at Dover, and a ship comes in with these immigrants on board, and you ask them would you join our armed services, to get a good life in Britain, what do you think they would say, as l have said before, l have nothing about people coming to this country, providing they don't scam us the tax payer.:)

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btw, it's "Gurkhas".....

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/essex/3281885.stm

Yes, they "accidently" beat and kicked him, yes, it's obvious now, so easy to do to a 14 year old boy.

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well i'm glad you got that sorted

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:LOL:

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You find a bunch of trained soldiers in the British army kicking a 14 year old boy to death something to laugh about???

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Firstly your sarcasm is mispalced as you posted a completely different article previously.

Secondly those comments are all from the prosecution and would typically paint the accused in a rather dim light.

Now every word may be true.... or it maybe not.... I have no view.

He was probably bigger than them.

Errrm I'll take your word for that

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I also posted about the further details covered in the Radio4 program on the matter.
If you doubted them, you could have searched yourself for further information, it took me all of 1 minute to find.

So are you still welcoming to those who killed a boy?

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Yes.

You yourself put, Or are you bored and out to play your word games again tonight ?.

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I'm refering to the few who killed David Zabaneh.
Hence why I posted:

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These men are normally well disciplined, & we do not know the facts surrounding this incident, but, Paratroopers are hard soldiers. Shock troops who don't give in easily. I`m surprised they didn't bang a few more heads.

As we are all aware, there are 14 year old boys who are quite capable of violence & murder, & quite capable of inciting a fight. When I was a young soldier just out of training, I picked a fight in an Aldershot bar. Thought I was jack the lad. Together with my mates, we succeeded in getting the living **** kicked out of us. We didn't know it was a Paras bar.

Take a walk around Manchester at night, & take a good long look at a few 14 year old "youths", then see how fast you can run before they give you a good beating, just for looking at them.

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Although I would like to see the Gurkhas allowed to settle here allowing them to do so would break the 1947 Britain-India-Nepal Tripartite Agreement. One of the main points of the agreement is that:- The Gurkha soldier must be recruited as a Nepali citizen, must serve as a Nepali citizen, and must be resettled as a Nepali citizen.

The govenment must therefore get the agreement of both the Neplolese and Indian Governments before it can allow the Gurkas to settle in Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain...tite_Agreement

An agrement was reached in 1995 on the pay and pensions that they receive but SFAIAA this did not include resettlement rights.

http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gu...new_gtacos.htm

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Can we return to the topic at hand NOW please.

Open again.

If you don't agree with a post REPORT it.

If you can't discuss / debate with one poster then put him / her on ignore.

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David Zabaneh was the son of a business man, and friends with the Priminister's son who was also at the bar, who instead of running back to the bar for safety as David did, managed to escape.

When you got a beating from those paras, if one of your mates had been beaten to death, would you have been ok with them doing that?

If there were changes to the treaties which allowed settlement here for Gurkhas, then I'd be all for it, apart from those which have been involved in crimes, especially murder, such as those involved in the death of David.

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i think you've kicked this particular thread to death now, is there any chance of dropping this david watsname stuff and discusing equal rights for Ghurka's

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I am pretty sure most of us agree papa that if they serve in the army they should have exactly the same right's as anyone else that serves. While the UK government may be able to get out of something doesn't mean it should or should go unchallenged.

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Do you have no problem welcoming those 6 who kicked a boy to death?

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Why are you constantly bringing it up Xaccers we are talking about equal rights for gurkhas and you have to keep flogging that dead horse in relation to this. I am sure a mod said to keep this on topic and that topic is equal rights for gurkhas not what a few might have done somewhere sometime. If you can't do that simple don't post but stop trying to antagonise the majority of posters in this thread that support the gurkhas.

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Stop trying to make out I don't support the gurkhas.
It's been suggested that all of them should be allowed to settle, I pointed out that there is one group I know of which frankly I don't believe should be welcomed due to their criminal actions, whether they've fought for Britain or not.
Now you may be able to turn a blind eye to their actions, I cannot, a 14 year old boy is dead, his family have lost their son.

Lets also not forget that although most of us hold the belief that if someone is willing to die for out nation and it's values, we owe them, there is a treaty to protect Nepal which prevents the nationalisation of Gurkhas.
Working within that I would like regular assessments of the well being of ex-servicemen in Nepal to ensure that none of them are suffering medically or financially.

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I just reread that link you posted to make double sure and i was correct the court martial is ongoing therefore not concluded and no one has yet been found guilty, How many other threads have you commented that people should wait for the outcome and till all the facts are known before making judgements you have done it in at least a couple i know of so why the difference this time. Also according to the article the three on trial were not in the opinion of the crown the one's that killed the boy. So can we forget about that and get back onto the main topic which is of equal rights for gurkhas. Didn't see mod's post please delete if you feel it appropriate

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RizzyKing's post is the last one on the matter. Any more will be considered off topic and subject to the wrath of the team.

Back to the debate on rights of residence now please.

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Any more posts ignoring moderator warnings will see this thread closed permanently.

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I can't see many saying that Gurkha's should automatically become British citizens after serving and hence breaking the terms of the 1947 agreement hinted at a couple of times, just that they should be allowed to live here.
Semantics perhaps but isn't that what many of the arguments in this thread are anyway?

I however will say, stuff the treaty and allow them to stay if they want to.

Perhaps its because I'm a right wing militaristic radical but I quite like the idea banded about in the Heinlein novel that despite spawning the dire film Starship troopers, had a very valid message about society, in that to have any say in the running of the country you should have been willing to sacrifice something for it, and these little buggers to my mind have more right than the majority of useless cowards who hide behind words while populating not only the houses of parliament but too many forums.

And before anyone gets on their high horse of freedom of speech don't bother cos I don't believe in it.

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That's funny, because Heinlein did - blog

I always find it amusing that people who don't believe in "freedom of speech" use freedom of speech to express that opinion. :D

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Very good post

My last words in this thread.

Anyone that is willing to fight for this country and is willing to put there neck on the line for those who would not will get my vote every ruddy time.

I sometimes wonder how we have got to a position in this country where those that will defend it with there lives's are knocked by those who have never had the guts to defend this country.

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Wonderful thing irony ;)

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If understood and applied properly :D

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Excellent news :clap:

The Gurkha's have won their test case. More to follow on the BBC news website and on sky news website.





At last we are to allow the Gurkha's to live in the country they have defended sometimes with there very lives. This is just one of the many Gurkha's who have put there lives on the line for this country

In the past they have had to beg to stay in this country

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7644441.stm

This decision makes a lot of sense and should never have needed tribunal. These guys are much less of a waste of space having served us, compared to many of the immigrants who have a right of abode.

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But it does seem the norm here now that *******s get all the rights and those that most need and deserve our support have to fight for it.

Anyway i am very happy they have won this case, Now all we need is to get this Government to support our own troops instead of treating them so badly.

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It is ridiculous that this needed to go the court. Was anyone opposed to this, was there a defence mounted by anyone? Have any Gurkas been kicked out of the country?

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totally agree

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http://story.malaysiasun.com/index.p...d/251560/cs/1/

The answer is unfortunately YES and a VC winner at that. I can only find that link at this time but ONE is enough to show how bad they have been treated by the very Governments they fought for.

Brown should show he has some Balls and sort this mess out NOW. He says he has respect for members of the armed forces, Then he should bloody well show it.

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All the past governments should be ashamed of themselves over this issue not just this present government...:mad:

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My grandad can stop spinning in his grave at last.

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In total agreement.

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Which is why i said

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Heard Joanna Lumley talking about it on Radio 5 just now, sign The Gurkha Justice Campaign petition at http://www.gurkhajustice.org.uk/

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All praise to Joanna for taking such an active role in this. These guys have put their lives on the line for this country for generations, They've earned our respect and support.

It's disgraceful that the government is argueing the toss over this issue.

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It is what i have come to expect from this party in charge of us. There leader would not know what a VC was if it hit him on the head.

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Perhaps we're not so racist and xenophobic after all.

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Much less of a waste of space than many actual Brits, too...


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From the link:


Too right :tu: