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Enuff 11-03-2008 17:38
Top UK police chief is found dead
 
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The head of one of the biggest police forces in Britain has been found dead.

Michael Todd, the Chief Constable of Greater Manchester Police, disappeared while out walking in Snowdonia, north Wales, on Monday night.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7290359.stm

Sad news, RIP

Jules 11-03-2008 17:49
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My sympathies go to his family :(

Derek 11-03-2008 18:39
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:(

My thoughts are with his family, friends and colleagues. His deputy looked absolutely gutted on the news.

Nidge 11-03-2008 19:46
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RIP to the man and my thoughts go out to his family.

Enuff 11-03-2008 21:13
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He may have committed suicide.

WHISTLED 11-03-2008 21:19
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He may have committed suicide
Wheres that from?

Wicked_and_Crazy 11-03-2008 21:21
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Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34505041)
Wheres that from?
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Originally Posted by BBC
The cause of his death is not yet known but suicide is understood to be one line of inquiry. Letters addressed to his family were also found.

WHISTLED 11-03-2008 21:23
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Intestesting if thats the case - A shame obviously

Tezcatlipoca 11-03-2008 21:33
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RIP.

tweetypie/8 11-03-2008 22:05
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Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34504847)

very sad news,deepest sympathys to his family and collegaues r.i.p.

Wicked_and_Crazy 11-03-2008 22:08
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Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34505044)
Intestesting if thats the case - A shame obviously
Why? We dont know him from Adam, quite possible he was wanting to get away from something bad:confused:

Xaccers 11-03-2008 22:38
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Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34505094)
Why? We dont know him from Adam, quite possible he was wanting to get away from something bad:confused:
Why do we have to know someone to think that suicide is a shame?

SMHarman 11-03-2008 22:42
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Originally Posted by Enuff (Post 34505028)
He may have committed suicide.
Or, as we don't know how and why he was found, he may have died from exposure and while realising that he may not be found in time written some notes.
But I see the BBC article suggests suicide.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/north_west/7290635.stm
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Rescue teams with hundreds of hours of climbing experience between them are now attempting to bring the body of Mr Todd down to ground level.

But the task is being hampered by poor weather conditions including severe gales with gusts of up to 85mph, hill fog and ice being forecast for the Snowdonia mountains.

Low cloud, poor visibility and freezing conditions are not helping efforts and it could take rescue teams as long as two and a half hours.

Caff 12-03-2008 00:41
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My thoughts to his family - and to the team that brought him down.

Jules 12-03-2008 14:09
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Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34505124)
Or, as we don't know how and why he was found, he may have died from exposure and while realising that he may not be found in time written some notes.
Some of the notes were found in his car according to the news yesterday, his poor family, it is always worse when someone takes there own life :(

SMHarman 12-03-2008 14:39
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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34505460)
Some of the notes were found in his car according to the news yesterday, his poor family, it is always worse when someone takes there own life :(
It's a problem, Suicide is usually a cry for help, women are much better at doing it without killing themselves, men on the other hand see to pick methods of suicide that mean the cry for help is found too late.

freezin 12-03-2008 18:38
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Sad news, but what was someone who had "suffered from bouts of depression, and had previously threatened suicide" doing in such a such a responsible, high profile public position? :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7292662.stm

SMHarman 12-03-2008 19:04
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34505638)
Sad news, but what was someone who had "suffered from bouts of depression, and had previously threatened suicide" doing in such a such a responsible, high profile public position? :rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7292662.stm
Because anyone that has a type A personality that will drive them to aspire to this level of greatness will have the flaws that come with it, whether they are a Police chief, Politician (Spitzer anyone), or Rock Star.

fireman328 12-03-2008 19:15
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Condolences to his family and his colleagues.
R.I.P

freezin 12-03-2008 22:06
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Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34505654)
Because anyone that has a type A personality that will drive them to aspire to this level of greatness will have the flaws that come with it, whether they are a Police chief, Politician (Spitzer anyone), or Rock Star.
I meant that he should have been removed from his post given his state of mind!

Wicked_and_Crazy 12-03-2008 22:30
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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34505119)
Why do we have to know someone to think that suicide is a shame?
You dont, but surely you need to know the context before you can have a view. For example and im in no way making any link or judgement this is just an example "did you think Fred West commiting suicide was a shame?"

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Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34505486)
It's a problem, Suicide is usually a cry for help, women are much better at doing it without killing themselves, men on the other hand see to pick methods of suicide that mean the cry for help is found too late.
so so true. trouble is men dont talk, women do

superbiatch 12-03-2008 22:37
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It's a problem, Suicide is usually a cry for help, women are much better at doing it without killing themselves, men on the other hand see to pick methods of suicide that mean the cry for help is found too late.
In my experience - those who talk about committing suicide tend not to go ahead thankfully, recognising its irrationality (did i just make that word up :confused:). The ones we should worry about are the ones who say nothing.

Obviously, his problems were out in the open going by the news reports, but had anyone noticed a downward spiral in his mood of recent, or did it go unnoticed :(

Suicide is always a shame, especially for those left behind :erm:

Cobbydaler 12-03-2008 22:40
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Irrationality is a perfectly valid term...

IMHO you're correct, the strong, silent type are those at risk.

molly malone 12-03-2008 23:16
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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34505460)
Some of the notes were found in his car according to the news yesterday, his poor family, it is always worse when someone takes there own life :(
On tonights news it said that a SUNDAY PAPER was going to print another side of his private life..that is so sad

SMHarman 13-03-2008 14:40
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Originally Posted by freezin (Post 34505801)
I meant that he should have been removed from his post given his state of mind!
You cannot just go removing anyone from any post because of something they have said. There are these boring things called employment laws you need to consider. Just because someone is depressed you don't sack them, you help them. Many firms have corporate counciling and annonymous numbers for this purpose, not a 1930s mentality to the problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression
It is not an uncommon illness to have.

Xaccers 13-03-2008 15:08
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Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34505816)
You dont, but surely you need to know the context before you can have a view. For example and im in no way making any link or judgement this is just an example "did you think Fred West commiting suicide was a shame?"
Yes, he escaped his punishment by doing so.

Jules 13-03-2008 17:44
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The world is a better place without the likes of Fred West in it, at least we don't have to pay bucket loads of money to keep him in comfort for the rest of his life.

Xaccers 13-03-2008 17:46
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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34506324)
The world is a better place without the likes of Fred West in it, at least we don't have to pay bucket loads of money to keep him in comfort for the rest of his life.
Have you been in prison Jules?

Jules 13-03-2008 18:01
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No and I hope I never do but we all know that people that are never going to be released get a hell of a lot of privileges, Peter Suitcliff, Ian Brady, Rosemary West, just to name a few.

Wicked_and_Crazy 13-03-2008 18:02
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Originally Posted by Jules (Post 34506324)
The world is a better place without the likes of Fred West in it, at least we don't have to pay bucket loads of money to keep him in comfort for the rest of his life.
exactly my point.

it appears this guy took his own life because he was afraid the bad things he had been doing were about to be exposed too

molly malone 13-03-2008 20:37
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Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34506349)
exactly my point.

it appears this guy took his own life because he was afraid the bad things he had been doing were about to be exposed too
do you think its a big coincidence that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE JUMPED says the inquest..I wonder if they would say that if he were an ordinary joe bloggs off the street, having said that i really feel for his family. I've lost my hubby and i know the loss but to have a cloud over things must be an extra burden

WHISTLED 13-03-2008 21:01
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it appears this guy took his own life because he was afraid the bad things he had been doing were about to be exposed too
An affair about to be exposed (may be the reason) that doesnt make him a bad person and certainly shouldnt mean he be compared to Fred West!

freezin 13-03-2008 22:32
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Originally Posted by SMHarman (Post 34506148)
You cannot just go removing anyone from any post because of something they have said. There are these boring things called employment laws you need to consider. Just because someone is depressed you don't sack them, you help them. Many firms have corporate counciling and annonymous numbers for this purpose, not a 1930s mentality to the problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_depression
It is not an uncommon illness to have.
Firstly, I never said he should have been sacked. 'Removing' him from his post could equally have applied to putting him on compassionate leave at least until his personal problems had been resolved, possibly even with the counselling you advocate.

And a suicidal chief constable is not a man or woman I would want in charge of my local police force. He or she simply has too many responsibilities and faces too many pressures especially if also dealing with personal problems. I am very much in favour of depressed and suicidal people being helped, but in the case of public servants, not at the expense of their public duties.

And I know mental illness is not uncommon. :rolleyes:


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