Prince Harry
 

Has been on the frontline in Afgahnistan, well done to him. He's not affraid of getting his hands dirty.

Well done to him.

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Brainless toff, probably in the best place for him. Better than being hauled out of the gutter outside a nightclub every night, but pretty much the same level of usefulness. Second sons of royalty don't need to have a use, though.

I do feel a bit sorry for the local Afghans wondering where the next bomb's going to land - images of it working rather like a day's huntin' on the moors with Grandad ('I say, Rupert, thought you were a grouse, old chap'). Still, it could be worse, it could be Dick Cheney, I suppose.

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I despise the royal family but in this case I view him as a hero just like all those that are on the front line.

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A little vituperative, BBK - not his fault who his parents are/were (imho).

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I'm by nature vituperative. The British Army, as few people realise, is the least middle class of all British institutions - toffs at the top, plebs at the bottom and it damn well *works*. Hence my suggestion that the best place for a brainless young toff is out there in uniform rather than out of his head here. I reserve the right not to regard him as a hero for telling aeroplanes where to drop bombs, though. Much overused word, that.

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I used to work/live with the Pongoes in Berlin - one of the last remaining (imho) bastions of the class-divided societies; quite a few working class and middle class chaps in the officer corp, but lots of Henry's.

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When you go out there and do what our lads do everyday then you can slag them off till then BB give it a rest. Everyone was saying he wouldn't go when iraq was mentioned so give the guy some credit he could of got out of it he didn't and he has been out there doing the job that deserves respect if you don't have any don't comment.

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Well said rep added.

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You'll be telling me next that if I don't like it I should go and live under the Taliban. I'm not buying it, this is a 24 carat PR stunt from top to bottom with Prince Harry's (doubtless genuine) wishes or courage the least of anyone's concerns. Check the BBC stories (particularly the tenses used) - they've clearly had a deal with the MOD to follow Harry around and film him machine gunning the desert and sitting with his helmet and jacket off holding a phone. Presumably a documentary is in the offing. 'Hey, proles, pretty distraction over here! Lookee, lookee! Don't worry about the serious stuff, Mature, Serious Wise Men are spending your money making sure you don't have to do any difficult thinking, just keep watching'. Don't believe the hype. The two things our presence in Afghanistan is giving us are heroin and dead and injured soldiers.

Like I said, I'm not buying it. Calling them 'heroes' and not examining what they're doing isn't supporting the troops, it's conniving in sending them to pointless death, injury and mental illness. We *know* all this now, there's no excuse for ignorance. If you're so keen on 'the troops' go and see what they're saying on ARRSE or elsewhere. There's a horrible lazy streak that treats 'The Troops' as an abstract concept and hides at the merest suggestion that sending people to fight pointless unwinnable wars far from home isn't a good idea.

[Less splenetically, the chances of this being kept secret were near zero, since half Fleet Street must have been bought off or silenced in some way. They pay people to follow Harry around, after all, you'd notice him not being around for two months plus. The magazine that broke the story in Australia is read by 10% of the population, so why the secrecy here?]

-- update --

i was being harsh on the BBC. Actually, it was *all* the major news outlets, with the 'journalism' being done by the MOD press people, i.e. spin doctors. Do the usual criticisms of the government over media manipulation not apply when someone puts 'Prince' in front of their name?

The BBC and co. basically signed up to receive propaganda from the MOD in return for their silence and co-operation. So much for press freedom. Oh, and the chances of Harry being in Afghanistan being a 'hero' right now are zero, the arrangement was that he'd be flown out if the story broke.

So that was all a waste of everyone's time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...sandpublishing

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I am not buying what your saying either or what you say your saying you seem to have a problem with him because of what he is. It isn't his fault he is a royal and he didn't HAVE to join the forces but he did. So like i said unless you have served ?? don't comment on those that put on the uniform or try and find smart ways to degrade what they do. So many people now taking cheap shots at the armed forces from the comfort of a chair in the UK.

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Well, CNN tell a slightly different story here

The head of the British Army, Chief of the General Staff Sir Richard Dannatt, said Harry's deployment had been kept secret after striking an agreement with the media.

British and international media -- including CNN -- had agreed not to report Harry's deployment because of security concerns for him and his unit. The military confirmed the operation after a U.S. Web site broke the news blackout.

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He's not a hero, he's doing his job. I respect him, and all the others who are serving out there, but it's what they joined up for.

This is being a hero.
"There were now seven casualties still in the minefield, three of whom had lost limbs.
"Despite this horrific situation and the serious injuries he had himself sustained, Corporal Wright continued to command and control the incident. He remained conscious for the majority of the time, continually shouting encouragement to those around him, maintaining morale and calm amongst the many wounded men. Sadly, Corporal Wright died of his wounds on the rescue helicopter.
"His supreme courage and outstanding leadership were an inspiration to his men. For acts of the greatest gallantry and complete disregard for his own safety in striving to save others, Corporal Wright is awarded the George Cross.""

btw, I have served.

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how can someone be a hero in a war which was perpetuated on a whim that a group is a 'threat' to us ?? all hes doing is being there because the british army is there, nothing has changed apart from the threat (national security) being bigger for attacks against the country, the poppy fields keep growing and growing and the taliban is still there, vested interests in the rebuild of the country ???

the fact the media kept it quiet just shows there is no impartiality in what is being said in the various medias.

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well put rizzy.:tu:

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:erm: perhaps by his deeds and actions whilst there? Just because it's a naff war doesn't mean you can't conduct yourself in a heroic mannor, in keeping with the best traditions of the army.

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I never said he was a hero what he is, is one of many thousands of serving personnel in the armed forces and such should at least be respected for that. For people to sit back in comfort in this country and make cheap shots\points is distasteful in the extreme as they are not prepared to do the job but are willing to criticise. You don't have to like harry as a person (though lets all be honest in his position would we have been any better) but throwing insults and as someone said in another post "not caring if he got blown to bits" is pathetic and smells of envy.

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You'll be telling us next that the Taliban should have been left in power...

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I think we (the normal atheist/agnostic cf members) are of absolute unity behind the thought that this could have all been handled better
. However we have complete democratic control of the UK and things are far from being in control. Let's give this a few years to settle in.

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these days when your in the army your nothing more than a political pawn, the definition of being a solider in war for honourable reasons is changing.

it does not wash with me, the only heroes i see are the ones who fought in the wars before i was born, back in the 1940's when it was about freedom, liberty, independence of this nation to stay under british control not be under threat by nazi germany and previous attempted occupations.

im not saying its easy to go in to a war, but NO ONE can justify what has happened and what continues to happen right now.

you cannot seriously expect me to believe the invasions we have seen were to 'liberate' these people, vested interests are already in place as i noted before and will continue, if democracy (in its current form can you call it that these days) we would be in zimbabwe, darfur, rounding up genocidal maniacs and allowing african countries to attempt to get backup to a standard where fearing for your life or watching people being killed around you is NOT an everyday occourance.

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So someone who, while under fire, risking their own life, rescues a group of civilians and leads them to safety isn't a hero in your mind?

Those soldiers who defended civilians in Kosovo etc aren't heros? Their actions to you weren't worth considering honorable? The risk to their own lives insignificant?

You're happy with Iraq being invaded and Saddam punished for his crimes though I take it, after all, he killed more Iraqi's than Mugabe killed Zimbabweans.

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i never said you cannot be a hero in a war, but if your there because you were sent by a government who initiated and engaged in something which nobody asked to happen within a country then yes it does NOT matter, the ends do not justify the means.


ok yes kosovo maybe, but the point im trying to make is nobody has made a signficant positive diffarence in afghanistan, as the country is in its current state.

whilst i can understand the depth at which someone joins the army for and puts themselves on the line for others its still a finely poised game of politics, especially these days!

who put saddam there ? mugabe has shown himself to be more of an aggressive tirant than saddam, he (saddam) did do unsavoury things, but that was not the 'main issue' call for the war there it was WMD which has turned out to be false.

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History is written by those who win the war?

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Sorry kronas I respect you a lot but I have to say this time you are talking rot...A hero is a hero is a hero whomever they are fighting for or protecting.Just because governments are crap at picking wars and what to defend does not make the men and women who end up doing the fighting any the less heroes.Plus going by your reasoning you would be saying that WW1 was a justified war when it was nothing but a futile exercise in wasting lives that blighted a whole generation to the point that we nearly failed to stand up to someone much worse.If WW1 hadn't taken place we might not have had to fight WW11.

No war is ever justified but neither is sitting back and doing nothing.Also picking wars on the premise that we shouldn't fight to protect resources as well as to protect lives is nonsense.Neither reason is a good enough reason to be fighting IF negotiations can achieve the same result.

BUT to say anyone who selflessly puts their lives on the line to serve their country is not a hero because you don't agree with the war is morally bankrupt.I may not approve of war but I would never say that those who fight don't deserve the epitaph of hero if they fight the wars that they have sworn to fight on behalf of the democratically elected government.

Re: Prince Harry
 

wars will happen irrespective of whether they are right or wrong, but sometimes you have to think about the justification of a war and whether your indivdual participation in something is for the best or worst of YOUR country, if your fighting a war in another country for unjustifiable reasons then i dont see how someone can be displayed as a hero, if your going to follow the definition that those in a war are heroes then everybody is classed as a hero no matter what they do, what about soldiers who rape, kill, innocents, your going to say 'the war got to him/her' let them fade away ?

sometimes you HAVE to go to war granted, obviously civility dictates you should not but you have to do whats right, even if your resources are stretched..

im not disrespecting soliders who put their lives on the line, its the most unselfish thing to do, but again i personally draw a line on what is right and wrong in going to war for the merit of reasons, the media showed itself to push its own agenda with the harry thing as with any other government out there and ultimately it had to take an american media outlet to let it out!

history is written by a war and those who are in it and the winner.

Re: Prince Harry
 

You're trying to say that if you don't agree with a war, than no matter what anyone does in that war, it cannot be heroic?
Yet later on you say:

Even though (someone correct me if I'm wrong) but there was no UN resolution for foreign forces to enter the former Yugoslavia....
As for significant positive difference in Afghanistan, perhaps you should actually talk to some of the people who have served there rather than basing your opinion on your own gut feeling?

The political and fighting aspects of war are a million miles appart Kronas, unless you're saying that all soldiers act in idential manners for the same political gain.

Mass slaughter of Shia muslims and the deaths of maybe as many as 100,000 Kurds are less unsavoury than what has been going on in Zimbabwe to you? Interesting.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Marvellous.

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ive heard what people who served have said it doesent change my stance.


ok, in that case why be a soldier at all ? you want to shoot people ? legally ?


in iraq, things are no better now, the factions have turned it to civil war, when he was there, there was fear, so its a lose lose situation, so it would seem.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Thankfully, British forces consider humanity rather than just Britain when dealing with conflicts.
In WW1 and WW2, Korea, Sierra Leone, Kosovo etc it could have been argued that the best for Britain would have been to either not get involved until we as a nation were attacked, or just turn our back as the conflict was so far away.

Oh yes you are, and to suggest you aren't is ridiculous!

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Omfg why do you like "prince" Harry so much?
What has he done for you so we give him a proportion of our "hard worked" for money?
I agree wit rizzyking, he's had them cameras with him shooting off that gun to make him lok as if he's actually doing something good.
When the cameras stop no doubt he'll be off back to a tent with a ps3 16 stacks of budwieser,full fridge, air conditioning,sky tv,the lot.

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Bully for you.


It's obviously something you'd never understand, otherwise you wouldn't need to ask the question.



When were the Kurds last gassed Kronas?
For that matter, when were Zimbabweans (as you tried to make out the situation there under Mugabe is worse than Iraq under Saddam) last gassed, or rounded up to be shot and dumped into mass graves?

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Says the bloke who's obviously never heard of Wellchild, Sentebale or MapAction.
How about for once, before you comment, you actually do some research into the subject?
Go on, I dare you, actually look up what the Royals do.

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What a grotesque story. Afghanistan has the become the playground for a child like Harry Hewitt. What a despicable act.

What next? Get the brat a nuclear bomb set and find a country for him to nuke?

I hear your "hero" calls.....

Absolutely scandalous.

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had to turn the news off this morn! "a bullet magnet" wtf??? lolol

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kronas, I'm sorry but this has to be one of the dumbest things I've read for a long time. Perhaps people choose to join the armed forces to serve their country, or to defend their country in times of need.

The fact that our forces have been sent to places like Afghanistan under a (pretty obvious) political motive is neither here nor there - they are doing the job that they signed up to do, train bloomin' hard to do and, by the way, aren't particularly well-paid to do.

To suggest that people sign up just so they can 'shoot people legally' is facetious at best, and morally corrupt at worst. As much as you are entitled to your opinion (which you probably wouldn't be under a regime like the Taliban, by the way), I have to say that, in this instance, your opinion is wrong :shrug:

Oh, and fair play to Harry for wanting to go out in the first place :tu:

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7270743.stm

He's coming back now. Maybe it was all set up from the outset to 'repair' his reputation. You know send him out there, blame foreign media for leaking his involvement, and then bring him back under the guise that he can no longer serve in Iraq.

People think he's a hero, and he can safely down vodkas back on the Kings Road.

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:dozey:

I don't think that fair. They succesfully kept almost all the foriegn media away from the story, no doubt the UK Press knew but obeyed a news blackout. He did serve for 10 weeks, and it makes sense to pull him back now the drudge report leaked the information.

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I have an idea: we have the new trident submarines. Nobody can spot him there and the British media could have free and exclusive footage of his heroics under water. You could even have a celebrity pop in, like Chelsi in a bikini to spice things up. He can get training to press a button (he has just about sufficient IQ for such a job), so he could nuke Iran on live TV. The boy deserves another chance, let him play in the privacy of our deep oceans...

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I never especially liked Prince Harry either but I see no evidence that this was a stunt and he seems to have been actually serving, on/near the front-line no less.

I think it's wrong to attack/berate him for this. You seem to have a vendetta against him.

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<removed - Jefferson T?>

Prince Harry is a soldier and wants to do what he is trained for.

They wouldn't let him go to Iraq because of the media frenzy. The only way he could go to Afghanistan was by asking for a media blackout.

Now that's out the bag he is being forced to return home.

None of this is Harrys fault.

IMO he should be left to carry on out there.

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How large was the TV crew filming his heroics? Were there make up artists?:rolleyes:

He did not have a shower after 3 days, poor boy. He deserves few booze ups with Chelsi to recover....

Harry was bored, he thought playing will live afganis is better than toy soldiers, and the army obliged. What a disgrace....

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Insulting other members WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion.

edit - done some tidying up, any more personal attacks will more than likely result in infraction beins issued.

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why not ? a lot of the other guys have no say in the matter they are just sent end of.

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I really think you should find reasons for people who sign up to the armed forces. I have friends in the army and Royal Marines and reasons they signed up were:
1. Travel - get postings around the world
2. Adventure/Sports
3. A career for life
4. Serving their counrty

Once the invasion of Afghanistan and later Iraq happened, reasons for them staying is that they are there for the guys around them, not wanting to let them down. I don't think you can dismiss the loyalty soldiers have to their mates and the regiment as a whole. It is after all the reasoning behind the regiments.

I think, if you are to blame anyone for the wars then blame yourself, you are part of a system that has elected the government that embarked on and has continued their policy in Iraq and Afghanistan. All the soldiers are doing is obeying the orders of the politcial masters that you (and the rest of us here as a collective) re-elected. We cannot have a situation where the military decide where and when to fight, they must always be subservient to the elected government.

As for Harry fighting in Afghanistan, I think its great he has managed to serve his country, and admire him and all other members of the armed forces who do a tough job for little, if any thanks.

Re: Prince Harry
 

They waned to join the army...

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So really, it's just personal, you refuse to give credit in any case because you already made your mind up?

Re: Prince Harry
 

This thread has staggered me witrh some of the comments people are making. Kronas i am not really sure what to say to you that wouldn't get me banned for life but you really need to get a reality check. So many people hating a young man trying to do what he has always wanted to do is trained to do and trying to do for me is so pathetic.

If i had been in harry's position would i have been any better no i wouldn't he lost his mother at an early age has played second fiddle to his older brother and so decided to get some fun out of life. As for "soldiers are just political pawns" er well done finally figured it out have we. Soldiers have always been pawns but thats not why they are soldiers, They are soldiers because they have belief in something and are prepared not just to sit in an armchair and say they get up and do something about it.

When deployed soldiers don't think a lot about politicians and their reasoning they think about home they think about family and friends and they care about the guys they are with i see nothing but good in that. People have a problem with the politicians take it up with them DO NOT insult or use our armed forces personnel to try and make a point against politicians you only show yourself to be stupid and you do a great disservice to a bunch of this country's best.

For me this thread has been the best reason i have ever seen to bring back natioanl service so maybe in the future people can make sensible comments on our armed forces.

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No really.

It was another "reality" show staged for Harry's benefit. We are eagerly waiting for him to come back to Chelsea and boast about his "real" fighting experience.

Did you see him playing with an automatic machine gun, in front of the filming crews? How cool is that going to be to be replayed in Mahiki in front of the Chelsea birds, with psychedelic music, visual effects, fake smoke and all that. I hear Guy Pelly is setting up a replica in Mahiki, for him to demonstrate to the birds how bravely served his country.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Did you watch Ross Kemp in Afghanistan? If so, did you see the British troops on there "playing with an automatic machine gun" - was that all just for the camera?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Iglu ffs they were publicity shots yes taken as part of the deal with the media in return for thier cooperation in the news blackout. He wasn't sitting playing with a .50 cal allday everyday for gods sake actually try to go beyond the pictures before commenting.

Re: Prince Harry
 

no you have misunderstood me, im asking a question, hence the question marks, i know why people want to go in to the army but i was asking xaccers what does he think regarding why people join the army ?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Nice to people stating opinions and speculation as facts - or do you have evidence to back these statements up?

Re: Prince Harry
 

well we dont know that for sure ;) maybe he was having a drink (of water?!) with the lads :p:

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"well we dont know that for sure" Join the army and go see for yourself then as obviously you won't listen to anything other then your opinion so get up and go have a look. I won't hold my breath on that as i wouldn't with most of the people like you on this thread.

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FACT: It was on BBC, ITV and SKY, our Harry firing with a machine gun.
Not so FACT2: click on my "replica" link ;)

Re: Prince Harry
 

Yes, nice well balanced site that one, that provided nothing but speculation and hearsay, I can see why you like it as that is all you can provide.

Please keep on posting as with every post you provide you continue to discredit yourself further.

You clearly know nothing of substance of either the Royal family or the military

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I stated "not so FACT2" and the link clearly states that the Head of the army :rolleyes: did not lose his machine gun. It was a joke that Guy Pelly will put it on display on Mahiki. Please see the light side of it.

Re: Prince Harry
 

The media were there in exchange for the news blackout. The idea being if the media were not going to get the story about him being deployed, they would after his service was over:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/

Re: Prince Harry
 

To most of us Damien that was obvious and didn't need to be stated but then we don't have a sack of maris pipers on our shoulders :shrug:.

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Yes, I do not deny that. But it's entirely up you to decide that this is normal war or staged for TV:

"So, for the past ten weeks, the BBC, ITV and Sky News have been filming with Prince Harry - the first time we've been up close and personal with him. We interviewed him at Clarence House in mid-December, just before he was sent to Afghanistan, we spent some time with him at the start of January when he was settling in at a remote base in Southern Helmand Province, and most recently, we filmed with him last week at a new location in Helmand Province...."

I am sorry but I feel for the poor Afghanis, we send a brat with several TV crews to film him at war. What a disgrace, people are losing their lives and we are watching it as a reality show...

Re: Prince Harry
 

I can see how this thread is going to end.:rolleyes:

Re: Prince Harry
 

Similarly when they were younger and on skiing holidays etc, a photo oppertunity was given to the media in exchange for not being pestered.
Appears that some people do indeed have a problem understanding that.

Re: Prince Harry
 

A photo opportunity with a few blown up Afghanis is acceptable to you?

Damien in "Drop the dead Donkey" stuff...

Re: Prince Harry
 

No, What is a disgrace is attacking someone who is serving in the army, 10 weeks on the front line, to suit your own agenda. Don't pretend it's the Afgan people you are concerned about, you just want to have a go at the Royal Family.

A photo-op does not need to involve 10 weeks on the front line (more if drudge hadnt leaked it), real danger, real risk. The media needed to stay out of this so he would not attract kidnap attacks. The media asking for some pictures in return is understandible.

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Also, they were only out interviewing him at certain moments. He had many weeks without the media, and they were not there when he was fighting.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Damien, we just have different opinions. Let's leave it t that :)

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There are a lot of brave soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who are conducting themselves in the best traditions of the army.They are just doing their very dangerous job in a courageous manner and if Harry manages to match that he will earn their respect and ours but to label him a hero is just a PR exercise because by the same token you would also have to label all the other soldiers as heroes too.I suspect most would feel that they are doing the job they are paid and trained to do.

Heroism implies an act of courage over and above the call of duty usually for the sake of others.Heroes might include for example a soldier rushing an enemy machine gunpost to stop it firing on his comrades, disarming a live bomb, rescuing an injured colleague whilst under fire etc.No doubt forum members can think of other examples

Having seen all the newspaper pages devoted to Harry, I suspect it is more a PR exercise to show that Harry has done his bit. One does have to wonder though how it was that a US website in a country which is supposed to be an ally leaked the information.

Re: Prince Harry
 

It was the Drudge Report, he has a history of leaking information (Bill Clintons and Monica for example). He doesn't care much about responsible journalism, and wouldn't think twice about posting something like this, big scoop for him. Bad news for everybody else.

Re: Prince Harry
 

See video here.

Caption:
"Watch: This is no rehearsal - Prince Harry fires at Taliban fighters in Helmand province"

Re: Prince Harry
 

Though I did like The Stars headline today 'When Harry met Tali'.

Good luck to him, he didn't have to do it, he wanted to do it and he's now done it, I have to say it was commendable on his part.

There's always going to be people slating the royals, no matter what they do, good or bad it won't matter to some.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Then there are those on this forum who will slag them off but donthave the guts to do the Job themselves but will go running to those same soldiers to save there yellow belly necks if the need be. You know who you are ???:mad:

Re: Prince Harry
 

Funny thing is that Prince Andrew did his bit and no one thought anything of it and I don't remember anything like this vitriol about him being in the Falklands.He was even more of a playboy than Harry too.Still is by all accounts.;)

So what is it that has got some people het up by a younger royal whom is no worse than many of his generation, that they would wish him dead.

Green eyed gods and all that I guess.:rolleyes:

Re: Prince Harry
 

Do you not think that defending civilians against the Taliban is acceptable?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Yes, I'd agree. Andrew did not get half the attention that Harry gets but quietly got on with the job.

Andrew is something of a playboy but I don't recall any of his antics getting into the press in the same way.He also does a pretty good job as ambassador for British industry abroad.

Re: Prince Harry
 

You do not need TV crews and a brat for that mate!

Re: Prince Harry
 

Was that a yes or a no?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Yes, it is acceptable. :)

Re: Prince Harry
 

Is the defending of civilians against the Taliban using film/photographs and reported in the media acceptable?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Come on, you do not defend with TV crews showing a brat, there is no need for this, get the boy a computer game, there is no need for him to practice with real Afghanis

Re: Prince Harry
 

So you also object to the Ross Kemp program in Afghanistan, and all film/photographic reporting of the events, such as the personal videos made by soldiers over there as seen on youtube etc?

Re: Prince Harry
 

Iglu it is funny i read your posts with the constant tag "brat" and i don't think of harry funny that. As for this talk of practicing with afghani's are you for real or did you have to practice to become so deluded. How many years service have you done and if the answer is none then do us all a favour and shut up on a subject where your ignorance really does shine through.

As for harry's behaviour er go stroll down any town\city centre on a friday\saturday night you'll see plenty of it and not always by people with young age as an excuse. A couple of recent threads on this forum have shown some of it's members to be petty vindictive people that have too much time on their hands and think they are clever taking potshots at people that least deserve them.

When some of the pot shotter's go and do what harry and all our lads and girls are doing then i will listen to you till then try to mature a bit more then you obviously are.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Zero years of service---I shut up as ordered :)

Re: Prince Harry
 

Disregarding my thoughts on any of our troops being on foreign ground, if the prince did a good job serving his country (and who better than a prince to do it?), then I'm pleased. I bet he boosted the morale of the other guys there no end just by being there.

Re: Prince Harry
 

At the end of the day the only people in my opinion who have the right to critise, are those who have seen action, or have had a family member who has seen action.

It makes no difference who his family is.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Agreed.

Re: Prince Harry
 

There's a fundamental flaw with that argument. If you bar anyone from having an opinion on anything they have no direct experience of, what kind of democracy would we be living in then?

You are perfectly entitled to weigh up people's opinions and decide for yourself how seriously to take them, but what you can't do is decide who has a right to criticise something and who doesn't. All of us have that right, regardless of the subject.

Re: Prince Harry
 

About the only good thing you have done then .

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I happen to be in both of those situations and can say i have no time for those that slag off the soldiers and have not had the guts to do the job themselves.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Make your mind up, it's either him at war or him on a PR stunt, oh and if he is such a brat, why do his men hold him in such high esteem? Dont go saying it's because of who he is either because that wouldn't matter a jot to them when the ***** hits the fan

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Nice speech but if you notice I wasn't actually aiming my comments at Harry, its just Kronas didn't seem to think it possible for people to be hero's in an 'unjust' war

Harry in Afghanistan : An alternative Story.
 

http://petermusgrove.com/2008/02/29/...an-front-line/

Would love to know what people think about this one.

Re: Harry in Afghanistan : An alternative Story.
 

Load of toot, and makes light of the whole situation. Why do you ask?

Re: Harry in Afghanistan : An alternative Story.
 

do we need another Harry thread?

here's one we prepared earlier

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...ry-page-6.html

Re: Prince Harry
 

Thread's merged as there is no need for a separate one.

There will always be people seeking to use humour to put a slightly different perspective on matters. Bottom line Prince Harry has been at risk in Afghanistan. So have many other troops. All deserve equal recognition and respect. I for one wouldn't want to be there.

Re: Prince Harry
 

I do like the the bit when he said on the news he had to hide his face just incase someone seen him,wasent he with gurkers and they stand at around 5,5 or so.

Re: Prince Harry
 

But they usually have Brit officers, who are a bit taller - I think he was hiding the fact it was him, not that he was a Brit.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Thats how i see it as well :tu:

Re: Prince Harry
 

well it looks like he'll be home in time for tiffin

Re: Prince Harry
 

It's a joke, he joined the Army to serve, if he comes home then we should treat them all the same and bring the rest back....

if its good enough for a silver spooned little **** then its good enough for the front line.....

Re: Prince Harry
 

Wow good first post bet you stay around and help a lot :rolleyes:

If you are going to add to this debate at least make a grown up post and not a one sided Rant.

Re: Prince Harry
 

:dozey:

It's because everyone knows he is out there and that is a danger to himself and those around him..

Re: Prince Harry
 

I've been there, I've seen my best friend die...

Enough said i think..

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you join the army you live the army...

if you cant handle it, get out.

People are in danger every day over there with or without him.

Re: Prince Harry
 

I know. My son has been there last year . I spent 15 years in the army. You don't have to tell me how bad it can get out there.

If you are in the forces then you will know just how much of a target he and the men around him will become. Defending yourself on the ground is hard enough without every nutter in the area out to get a prize target. Can you imagine how many nutters would converge on that area over the next few weeks ????? THINK ABOUT IT

Re: Prince Harry
 

You appear to be missing the point - with him identified, the danger to him and the others around him is increased; so it is not the same as being out there for everyone else (imho).

Re: Prince Harry
 

He should never have gone in the first place...

I just want everyone out, its not our problem, we should never have followed the crazy yanks at the start.

Re: Prince Harry
 

Now on Iraq i would agree. But Afghan no. It was a problem that needed to be sorted. The history of abuse towards it's own people by Terry Taliban is well documented. Just for that abuse they needed to be delt with. Then there are the drugs that flow from that country. Destroying young people on a daily bases.

The sooner our lads get rid of the Taliban the better and i for one will continue to support them unlike those that will knock them at every turn but don't have the guts to do the job themselves. They know who they are.