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Maggy 11-02-2008 02:31

Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...scitime106.xml


Yeah of course they will...:nutter:

Mikey845 11-02-2008 05:42

Re: Time travellers from the future 'could be here in weeks'
 
The boys at the telegraph should lay off the crack pipe:D

icestar2 11-02-2008 06:59

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I am not smart enough to understand any of this kind of stuff anyway but out of intrest how many here beleive its possible ?

Raistlin 11-02-2008 07:44

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Originally Posted by icestar2 (Post 34487052)
I am not smart enough to understand any of this kind of stuff anyway but out of intrest how many here beleive its possible ?

Sure, why not.

Given enough time it's theoretically possible that time travel would become a reality.

I can tell you this though, if I was a time traveller I hink I'd spend most of my time trying to avoid the last couple of years like the plague (oh, and there's another period in time to stear clear of :) ).

Cobbydaler 11-02-2008 07:48

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A good dose of Manchester realism at the end:

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Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester adds: "The energies of billions of cosmic rays that have been hitting the Earth's atmosphere for five billion years far exceed those we will create at the LHC, so by this logic time travellers should be here already. If these wormholes appear I will personally eat the hat I was given for my first birthday before I received it."
:D

Mikey845 11-02-2008 07:56

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Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 34487061)
A good dose of Manchester realism at the end:

:D

:LOL:

Time travel into the past could be possible I suppose but time travel to the future? naaaaaaa how can you travel there if it hasn't happened yet. sounds daft but I know what I mean :disturbd:

Cobbydaler 11-02-2008 08:13

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What made it funnier was that I didn't have my glasses on when I read it. First pass I saw 'wombles' instead of 'wormholes'.

Come to think of it, that's probably more likely... :erm:

icestar2 11-02-2008 08:19

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Originally Posted by Raistlin (Post 34487060)
Sure, why not.

Given enough time it's theoretically possible that time travel would become a reality.

I can tell you this though, if I was a time traveller I hink I'd spend most of my time trying to avoid the last couple of years like the plague (oh, and there's another period in time to stear clear of :) ).

Yeah I get were your comming from but if it was/did become possible would'nt eveything become fu**ed ? I mean if people could time travel then they could change thing's no ? and if so well would we be here today ?

For me its very intresting but its very scarey to :(

Mikey845 11-02-2008 08:33

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I wouldn't worry about it, unless Doc comes back with his time travelling train I reckon your safe:p:

Russ 11-02-2008 08:56

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After getting 2 thirds through that article, my brain hurts :spin:

Jon T 11-02-2008 09:07

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How big is the carbon footprint of these machines I wander?

Enuff 11-02-2008 09:11

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Nobody knows for sure what the future holds, we can only predict.

jem 11-02-2008 10:16

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Originally Posted by Mikey845 (Post 34487063)
:LOL:

Time travel into the past could be possible I suppose but time travel to the future? naaaaaaa how can you travel there if it hasn't happened yet. sounds daft but I know what I mean :disturbd:

Actually it's the opposite way round. Time travel into the future is not only real but many many people do it every day. Fly across the Atlantic and because you are further away from the gravitational pull of the Earth, for you time runs slightly slower compared to someone on the surface. When you arrive, in a very real sense, you have travelled a tiny fraction of a second into the future. Do the same thing around a neutron star and for you a few minutes might have passed but when you return to Earth, you could find yourself millions of years in the future with no way back.

Theroretically there is nothing forbidding time travel into the past but doing so can potentially cause so many paradoxes that many physicists believe that there will be some as-yet unexplained mechanism which will prevent it.

ikthius 11-02-2008 10:31

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"Large Hardon Colinder"? :erm:

sorry

well I laughed out loud when i read the:
"The first time travellers from the future could materialise on Earth within a few weeks."

so if time travel is possible ever, would we not have seen something so far??? if they can time travel, then why come in the next few weeks?

and if time travel gets better, what companies will sell it? sorry sorry.
if time travel gets better, will they only be able to come back to the point where time travel was first used?
if so, then can someone from the future not come back with an upgraded version for them to use just now?
if they could time travel to the past, how do they get back to the future, without the power? (remember the flux capacitor was just in a film, its not true.....)

hehe

no matter what questions we have there is one answer I believe to be true......

no matter what (even dark matter :erm: ), Time travel is not possible........

ik

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 34487100)
Actually it's the opposite way round. Time travel into the future is not only real but many many people do it every day. Fly across the Atlantic and because you are further away from the gravitational pull of the Earth, for you time runs slightly slower compared to someone on the surface. When you arrive, in a very real sense, you have travelled a tiny fraction of a second into the future. Do the same thing around a neutron star and for you a few minutes might have passed but when you return to Earth, you could find yourself millions of years in the future with no way back.

Theroretically there is nothing forbidding time travel into the past but doing so can potentially cause so many paradoxes that many physicists believe that there will be some as-yet unexplained mechanism which will prevent it.

time travel to the future was possible with concorde, but it is no longer in service

dilli-theclaw 11-02-2008 10:37

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Originally Posted by ikthius (Post 34487107)
time travel to the future was possible with concorde, but it is no longer in service

The effect is not limited to riding in concorde. (See here)

Anyway I digress.

Yes time travel of a form is already a reality, but it's hardly at a level where we have to worry about things like the Twins Paradox.

I wouldn't be surprised it 'proper' time travel does happen but the amount of energy to do it would be huge so I don't think it'll be done any time soon.

ikthius 11-02-2008 10:54

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Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34487115)
The effect is not limited to riding in concorde. (See here)

that made perfect sense :rolleyes:

zing_deleted 11-02-2008 11:00

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Time is purely a human invention due to our mortal existence and everything we perceive having a beginning and an end of course the opposite is true time as we know it is infinite both past and future as is distance its just because we are born live then die we have no way of grasping infinity. As for time travel and paradoxes we could be in one as we speak we would not know. If something was changed we would have no conscience knowledge of it. Germany may well have won WWII but someone from the future may have traveled back in time and constantly spiked Hitlers drinks with LSD for all we know

handyman 11-02-2008 11:33

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 34487100)
Actually it's the opposite way round. Time travel into the future is not only real but many many people do it every day. Fly across the Atlantic and because you are further away from the gravitational pull of the Earth, for you time runs slightly slower compared to someone on the surface. When you arrive, in a very real sense, you have travelled a tiny fraction of a second into the future. Do the same thing around a neutron star and for you a few minutes might have passed but when you return to Earth, you could find yourself millions of years in the future with no way back.

Theroretically there is nothing forbidding time travel into the past but doing so can potentially cause so many paradoxes that many physicists believe that there will be some as-yet unexplained mechanism which will prevent it.

Are we getting closer to the sun? If so would an object with that mass be able to speed up time as we got closer to it? I'm sure at some part of the orbit we must be closer than others?

dilli-theclaw 11-02-2008 12:03

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Originally Posted by ikthius (Post 34487127)
that made perfect sense :rolleyes:

I didn't say it was easy ;):)

TheNorm 11-02-2008 12:39

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Originally Posted by jem (Post 34487100)
... Fly across the Atlantic and because you are further away from the gravitational pull of the Earth, for you time runs slightly slower compared to someone on the surface. ....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34487115)
The effect is not limited to riding in concorde. (See here)...

Why was there a greater difference going in one direction rather than the other?

KaySquirrel 11-02-2008 13:33

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Okay I'm not doing the fancy quote-a-dozen-people thing. In point form:

- If you're going to write a serious article about time travel and have a pic of the delorian in it, I'm sorry but your target audience is most likely at a higher level of maturity than I am. :LOL:

- The comment made about wombles vs. wormholes did not help me re-read the article in a serious manner. For which I thank you. :D

- I'm not entirely sure on the details of the Twins Paradox, but there's a smutty comment to be made about that in there somewhere.

Ever since I read A Wrinkle In Time as a child I've hoped that time travel would one day be possible and perhaps even commonplace.

But realistically? I won't see it in my lifetime. Which is a shame, because I am curious about a few things. If you want your hubby to bring home milk & eggs, does he run to the future and grab a cow and a chicken? ;)

Edited to add: I don't want it to become 'Year Zero', I've only just gotten used to writing 2008..

TheNorm 11-02-2008 13:55

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Originally Posted by KaySquirrel (Post 34487229)
... Ever since I read A Wrinkle In Time ...

A most excellent book! I loved it so much I read it from cover to cover in a day - not bad a for a pre-teen. Now that I am (much) older the title has taken on a different meaning. :erm:

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.... If you want your hubby to bring home milk & eggs, does he run to the future and grab a cow and a chicken? ;)....
That is such an irritating cartoon. Almost as bad as Ed, Edd and Eddy. :rolleyes:

mentalis 11-02-2008 13:58

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If someone did travel back from the future, would you believe them? Especially if it's like the Terminator where only living organisms can travel - they wouldn't easily be able to prove it.

bw41101 11-02-2008 14:10

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Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34487039)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...scitime106.xml


Yeah of course they will...:nutter:

Well having read the technical details all I can say is that it's doomed to failure, why? because there is absolutely no mention of the device which is so (integrally) fundamental to the design of a time travelling machine, namely: the Flux Capacitor. :rolleyes:

Sigh.......................!

Pierre 11-02-2008 14:12

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The mistake you are all making is assuming that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

So there.

handyman 11-02-2008 14:23

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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34487203)
Why was there a greater difference going in one direction rather than the other?

Could be 2 things.

1. There are Atlantic air flows that can increase the air speed if you are travelling with them as opposed to against them.

2. On way you will be flying with the earths rotation (back?) and another the earth will be rotating towards you. Theoretically you could go up and stay in the same place and the earth would do all the moving. That would make for a longer flight though.

KaySquirrel 11-02-2008 14:33

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Originally Posted by mentalis (Post 34487246)
If someone did travel back from the future, would you believe them? Especially if it's like the Terminator where only living organisms can travel - they wouldn't easily be able to prove it.

Of course no one would believe them. The first wave of time-travellers would not only have to deal with the technical details of time-travel, they would also be treated as if they were mentally ill.

Maggy 11-02-2008 15:38

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34487131)
Time is purely a human invention due to our mortal existence and everything we perceive having a beginning and an end of course the opposite is true time as we know it is infinite both past and future as is distance its just because we are born live then die we have no way of grasping infinity. As for time travel and paradoxes we could be in one as we speak we would not know. If something was changed we would have no conscience knowledge of it. Germany may well have won WWII but someone from the future may have traveled back in time and constantly spiked Hitlers drinks with LSD for all we know

Scary thought zingy..scary thought.:shocked:

Saaf_laandon_mo 11-02-2008 17:15

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Originally Posted by KaySquirrel (Post 34487267)
Of course no one would believe them. The first wave of time-travellers would not only have to deal with the technical details of time-travel, they would also be treated as if they were mentally ill.

I think if they came 'back' with some physical examples of great advances in technology/science then they might attract some interest or curiosity before being thrown in the local 'nut house.'

cookie_365 11-02-2008 19:05

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Er, assuming time travel was possible, why can't you travel back further than when time travel was first invented?

If you fly to America, the plane doesn't drop out of the sky when you get to Ohio (where the Wright Brothers made the first powered flight).

That sounds more like a movie plot device to me :)

TheNorm 11-02-2008 19:26

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Originally Posted by cookie_365 (Post 34487439)
...when you get to Ohio (where the Wright Brothers made the first powered flight)....

Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. Get it wright. ;)

Enuff 11-02-2008 19:35

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I wonder when they'll be available on ebay?

cookie_365 11-02-2008 19:36

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Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34487460)
Kitty Hawk, North Carolina. Get it wright. ;)

My bad. Wonder why I thought it was Ohio? Not that I actually care about the difference between the two ;)

TheNorm 11-02-2008 19:49

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Originally Posted by cookie_365 (Post 34487470)
.... Wonder why I thought it was Ohio? ...

The Wright brothers came from Ohio (as did John Glenn and Neil Armstrong). Don't worry, you were close.

Hom3r 11-02-2008 20:34

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I don't see why time travel cannot happen, who says time is fix, and only moves in one direction.

I do love the thought of causing a paradox, who says this hasn't happene.

Imaginine this, somebody had a relative who died in one of the Nazi prison camps, they go back in time, to kill Hitler. they miss and Hitler takes it out on the race that tried to kill him.

People have always said that this or that cannot happen, yet years later it is common place.

Pierre 12-02-2008 11:47

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Time is not fixed, nor is it constant.

As our friend Einstein advised - it's all relative.


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