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shabbychic 04-02-2008 14:18

Do You Think Parenting Classes Should Be Compulsory?
 
well its basically in the thread title...now i know on a whole, not all parents are bad ones (i mean children dont come with a handbook)

but even if you felt you were a good parent, but were tired of those children who's parents dont actually have a clue or care, and if parenting classes were compulsary it'd mean that they would have to attend them... would you agree to attend?

i would, so your thoughts please :)

dilli-theclaw 04-02-2008 14:24

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No. I know I'm a bad parent so I wouldn't want to go somewhere to be told it as well.

shabbychic 04-02-2008 14:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34482768)
No. I know I'm a bad parent so I wouldn't want to go somewhere to be told it as well.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

i bet ya not ;):D

Mr_love_monkey 04-02-2008 14:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbychic (Post 34482755)
well its basically in the thread title...now i know on a whole, not all parents are bad ones (i mean children dont come with a handbook)

but even if you felt you were a good parent, but were tired of those children who's parents dont actually have a clue or care, and if parenting classes were compulsary it'd mean that they would have to attend them... would you agree to attend?

i would, so your thoughts please :)

Just because they went to classes, it wouldn't make them good parents - I went to French lessons, it doesn't make me any good at French.
Good parents will be good parents, bad parents will be bad parents - doesn't matter how much you try and teach them

shabbychic 04-02-2008 14:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34482773)
Just because they went to classes, it wouldn't make them good parents - I went to French lessons, it doesn't make me any good at French.
Good parents will be good parents, bad parents will be bad parents - doesn't matter how much you try and teach them

i like that :D

i was awful at french too...and english, and maths etc etc :erm:

punky 04-02-2008 14:50

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I think it should be, along with the recently introduced cookery lessons.

School teaches you about things but they are assume that all people have to know are purely academic topics, leaving some glaring holes in the curriculum. Teaching kids about simultaneous equations and the capital of Malaysia is OK, but also so are things like child-rearing, home making, fiancial and just general life skills. Its amazing how much you need to know as an adult that you don't get taught at schools.

We had General Studies which was a step in the right direction, but not all that useful unfortunately.

shabbychic 04-02-2008 14:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin (Post 34482783)
I think it should be, along with the recently introduced cookery lessons.

School teaches you about things but they are assume that all people have to know are purely academic topics, leaving some glaring holes in the curriculum. Teaching kids about simultaneous equations is OK, but also so are things like child-rearing, home making, fiancial and just general life skills. Its amazing how much you need to know as an adult that you don't get taught at schools.

We had General Studies which was a step in the right direction, but not all that useful unfortunately.

ahhh good idea ;)

and i think the younger your taught it, the more it sinks in and stays in, like teaching them values and manners at a young age :)

TheNorm 04-02-2008 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34482773)
J... it doesn't make me any good at French....

;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin (Post 34482783)
... Its amazing how much you need to know as an adult that you don't get taught at schools.

We had General Studies which was a step in the right direction, but not all that useful unfortunately.

I agree, but would take that a step further and make General Studies the practical application of the academic subjects. So, you could have math (balancing a cheque account, working out mortgage or HP repayments, what does a 2.35% pay rise over three years mean to you), english (writing an email complaining about a bad service, filling in a job application form, explaining to a policeman a crime you just witnessed), history (search your family tree, find out about the oldest building in your town, or the oldest local by-law), science (pros and cons of energy saving ideas, how exactly does an internal combustion engine work, why does a pet dog need so many vaccinations), etc., etc.

If subjects were made interesting and practical we'd have a lot less bored kids in schools.

shabbychic 04-02-2008 15:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34482792)
;)



I agree, but would take that a step further and make General Studies the practical application of the academic subjects. So, you could have math (balancing a cheque account, working out mortgage or HP repayments, what does a 2.35% pay rise over three years mean to you), english (writing an email complaining about a bad service, filling in a job application form, explaining to a policeman a crime you just witnessed), history (search your family tree, find out about the oldest building in your town, or the oldest local by-law), science (pros and cons of energy saving ideas, how exactly does an internal combustion engine work, why does a pet dog need so many vaccinations), etc., etc.

If subjects were made interesting and practical we'd have a lot less bored kids in schools.

i think you ought to run for parliment :D

TheNorm 04-02-2008 15:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbychic (Post 34482794)
i think you ought to run for parliment :D

You've been a Forum member for less than a day and I love you already! :luv:

BBKing 04-02-2008 15:16

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That's actually a citizenship class, which I think would be a good idea.

Quote:

Teaching kids about simultaneous equations and the capital of Malaysia is OK
Yes. I'd be delighted if I thought they were still being taught that, but I doubt it somehow. I certainly don't remember being taught the capital cities of the world. Let alone any decent historical background.

Parenting classes - how on earth would two working people with a young child find the time? Take it from me we're both knackered and time starved and some State Supernanny ordering us to class would get the middle finger, frankly.

shabbychic 04-02-2008 15:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34482802)
You've been a Forum member for less than a day and I love you already! :luv:

:blush::blush::blush::blush:

Taf 04-02-2008 15:20

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Parenting skills come from your parents... if you're lucky... if they didn't I reckon you shouldn't dare have kids...

SOSAGES 04-02-2008 16:18

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Perhaps we can start our own handy and practical guide.

I'm not a parent but ive been a child and survived ;)

1. Don't leave handles of pots/pans cooking on the stove/hob hanging over the edge.
2. Supervise children eating eating cup cakes sometimes you can bite into the foil and its the worst thing ever.


BBKing 04-02-2008 16:25

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3. Don't leave boxes of biscuits in view on high shelves unless you want to come back into the room to find a pile of chairs on top of a crying child that was just trying to climb up them to reach the biscuits. Been there, etc...

Nugget 04-02-2008 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34482869)
3. Don't leave boxes of biscuits in view on high shelves unless you want to come back into the room to find a pile of chairs on top of a crying child that was just trying to climb up them to reach the biscuits. Been there, etc...

We could probably amend that slightly - don't leave boxes of biscuits in view full stop, unless you want to contend with a child in full tantrum mode when you tell them that their tea's almost ready so they can't have a biscuit ;)

Saaf_laandon_mo 04-02-2008 16:33

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4 . dont leave factor 30 suncream lying around in reach of 2 and a half year olds unless you want a good laugh at their expense. My little one grabbed a bottle, rubbed it all over her face, looked in the mirror, noticed she was looking like casper the ghost and started screaming. the look of shock on her face was priceless, lol. (But honestly i did feel bad after)

Nugget 04-02-2008 16:37

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5. Don't go and check on your sleeping boy, leaving your twin brother, his daughter, and a tub of Sudacrem in the same room, as your brother will nod off, thus giving his daughter ample time and opportunity to cover herself in cream, eat some, and ruin your carpet...

tweetypie/8 04-02-2008 17:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbychic (Post 34482755)
well its basically in the thread title...now i know on a whole, not all parents are bad ones (i mean children dont come with a handbook)

but even if you felt you were a good parent, but were tired of those children who's parents dont actually have a clue or care, and if parenting classes were compulsary it'd mean that they would have to attend them... would you agree to attend?

i would, so your thoughts please :)

no i wouldnt,reason being i came through life pretty okay and i put this down to my parents instilling in to me 3 good qualities, 1 respect for my parents,2 respect for others,3 respect for myself.

Maggy 04-02-2008 17:07

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Don't leave a two year old alone with a bottle of baby talc...and baby oil.I was only gone two minutes but it took me ages to clean up the mess.:dunce:

I used to teach parent craft lessons in a girls school.It was ok 'cos I had the numpties who were destined to be young mothers at an early age.One of my tutor group had three teenage mums by the time they were 15 so they were putting the education into practice before they forgot..

Hom3r 04-02-2008 19:05

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Parenting cannot be taught, what works for one will not work for the others.

Maggy 04-02-2008 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34483008)
Parenting cannot be taught, what works for one will not work for the others.

I have to disagree.Anything can be taught PROVIDED the person being taught WANTS to learn or has an INCENTIVE to learn.There is no subject that cannot be taught.

dilli-theclaw 04-02-2008 19:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbychic (Post 34482772)
:D:D:D:D:D:D

i bet ya not ;):D

well I've been told I am on more than one occasion, and I don't feel one hundred percent capable of giving him the care needed anymore. So yes I think that makes me a bad parent.

---------- Post added at 19:56 ---------- Previous post was at 19:55 ----------

I don't feel classes would help though.

Maggy 04-02-2008 20:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34483042)
well I've been told I am on more than one occasion, and I don't feel one hundred percent capable of giving him the care needed anymore. So yes I think that makes me a bad parent.

I'm sorry dilli but that is completely below the belt...talk about kicking someone when they are down...:mad: Alright you have a problem and yes maybe you cannot care for him in the same way anymore but it does not make you a bad parent.

Hugh 04-02-2008 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34483039)
I have to disagree.Anything can be taught PROVIDED the person being taught WANTS to learn or has an INCENTIVE to learn.There is no subject that cannot be taught.

Juggling starving rabid wolves who have really bad headaches? ;)

Blindfolded self-operated vasectomies?

Teaching Mr_love_monkey not to be lascivious?

(sorry)

Maggy 04-02-2008 20:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34483073)
Juggling starving rabid wolves who have really bad headaches? ;)

Blindfolded self-operated vasectomies?

Teaching Mr_love_monkey not to be lascivious?

(sorry)

Not a subject and I'm sure that they don't want to learn parenting.

It's possible but I wouldn't have thought there was much call for the procedure


Well if he had an incentive like a cattle prod but then he would take that as a challenge I'm afraid.;)



WHISTLED 04-02-2008 20:41

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I favour sterilisation

Hugh 04-02-2008 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by WHISTLED (Post 34483103)
I favour sterilisation

For Mr_love_monkey?

Sounds good - dip him in boiling water for ten minutes, he won't feel like procreating for quite a while.

You did mean that sort of sterilisation, didn't you? ;)

Mr_love_monkey 04-02-2008 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34483112)
For Mr_love_monkey?

Sounds good - dip him in boiling water for ten minutes, he won't feel like procreating for quite a while.

You did mean that sort of sterilisation, didn't you? ;)

Must have misheard when I said about needing him to prick my boil.

Hugh 04-02-2008 22:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey (Post 34483196)
Must have misheard when I said about needing him to prick my boil.

©ugg the caveman, approx 350,000BC :)

Mr_love_monkey 04-02-2008 22:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34483202)
©ugg the caveman, approx 350,000BC :)

Oldie, but Goldie. :)

superbiatch 04-02-2008 22:28

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If kids came with Haynes manuals, i'd have one tomorrow! :rolleyes:

BBKing 04-02-2008 22:54

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Quote:

If kids came with Haynes manuals, i'd have one tomorrow!
There is a Haynes for Kids, I've got it!

superbiatch 04-02-2008 23:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34483238)
There is a Haynes for Kids, I've got it!

I'm not surprised, i saw there was one about women too (obviously wrote by a woman!). So does the kids haynes manual hold all the answers? or should i give up on my maternal instincts and carry on full steam ahead with my career?

Maggy 04-02-2008 23:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34483246)
I'm not surprised, i saw there was one about women too (obviously wrote by a woman!). So does the kids haynes manual hold all the answers? or should i give up on my maternal instincts and carry on full steam ahead with my career?

The way I looked at it was I couldn't make a worse job of it than some of the kids I was teaching and I might possibly do a whole lot better than their parents.I think I've done ok.Neither of them is a drug addict,alcoholic or a criminal and they never did anything really stupid and they never roamed the street in any gang.

dragon 04-02-2008 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34483039)
I have to disagree.Anything can be taught PROVIDED the person being taught WANTS to learn or has an INCENTIVE to learn.There is no subject that cannot be taught.

Ah but some things you are better off learning from Experience, you can only learn so much in the classroom.

Maggy 05-02-2008 01:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34483280)
Ah but some things you are better off learning from Experience, you can only learn so much in the classroom.


Yes but experience can be supplemented quite nicely by some work in the classroom.Besides some people fail entirely to learn from experience and keep repeating the same mistakes.:erm:

lostandconfused 05-02-2008 08:38

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I think children should have classes, how to be a good child. They're already in school so it wouldnt have to inconvenience the parent in having to attend a class.

shabbychic 05-02-2008 08:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34483042)
well I've been told I am on more than one occasion, and I don't feel one hundred percent capable of giving him the care needed anymore. So yes I think that makes me a bad parent.

---------- Post added at 19:56 ---------- Previous post was at 19:55 ----------

I don't feel classes would help though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34483067)
I'm sorry dilli but that is completely below the belt...talk about kicking someone when they are down...:mad: Alright you have a problem and yes maybe you cannot care for him in the same way anymore but it does not make you a bad parent.

well... obvioulsy i only joined yesterday, so i have no clue whats surrounding these comments (none of my buisness)

but reading what incognitas said, they are right... and whoever told you, that you were a bad parent ought to have thought before they spoke.

you obviously love your child, or your child and the comment would never have sprung to mind.

a bad parent IMO, is one that has a child, and dosnt care, and would not even recognise that they were neglecting their child, as they are ignorant to the fact that they arnt coping, because they dont care..... there is a vast difference to not coping, and not caring.

i know a few parents who havent had custody of their children, but are good parents, and love them very much.

i also know of a few parents who think parenting is all about sticking £50 in their hand, and letting them roam the streets till 1am with their mate, cos they dont care.

---------- Post added at 08:45 ---------- Previous post was at 08:43 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34483216)
If kids came with Haynes manuals, i'd have one tomorrow! :rolleyes:

well exactly!

i mean, being a parent is not only the hardest job, but its the longest job you have.... and its the only job that donst come with instructions :D

bringerofnoise 05-02-2008 08:57

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For new parents i would say yes, i opted to go for the resuscitation and first aid when little un was born because i did'nt like the idea that if something did go wrong i would be flapping and waiting for paramedics basically i wanted to be able to act whilst the paramedics arrived.

But she'll be 4 in april and i don't think classes would help now, each day has different dramas and each child is different, the biggest bit of advice i would offer is that if your child likes to say no alot lol you would not give them the chance of saying no EG:instead of saying "do you want to wear your purple coat" say "do you want to wear you purple coat or your pink coat".

i've found this works for dreaded dinner time as well when she would rather have cookies "Do you want peas or green beans with your dinner" i'm not an expert but i think because she has made the choice she's happy to live with it.

dilli-theclaw 05-02-2008 11:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shabbychic (Post 34483343)
<snippage>

I can see how not knowing my curcumstances would be confusing ;)

More about me on my site here.

http://www.dilli-theclaw.com/

I do understand what yourself and Incognitas are saying it's just that if someone gets told the same thing over and over you start to believe it I guess.

Anyway, I'll see how well I get on with my boy after a day in London ;)

shabbychic 05-02-2008 11:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34483443)
I can see how not knowing my curcumstances would be confusing ;)

More about me on my site here.

http://www.dilli-theclaw.com/

I do understand what yourself and Incognitas are saying it's just that if someone gets told the same thing over and over you start to believe it I guess.

Anyway, I'll see how well I get on with my boy after a day in London ;)

:(

that sad face is because im sorry for your illness, and can understand it to a certain extent (obviously not on your scale)
i have autoimmunity (which is usually what causes diabetes) and have nerve damage due to one of the many autoimmune diseases that i have, but mine is in my feet and legs.

now i have a better idea as to why you "feel" you might be a bad parent, as i have had times like that also... i think any physically restriced parent does.

but i can categorically say, you are not.

you love your child? you dont abuse your child? i have a feeling im right, or else you wouldnt even be talking about him, let alone taking him out for the day :)

and do you know what? ppl who put you down, and try to make you feel negativly about yourself, only do so, so usually so they can reflect their own feelings of inadequecy. (in other words, like a bully does)

how on earth can a disabled parent be a bad one? i now know im not. i have seen parents..i'll give you one example....

a girl i knew sharon, she was born with cerebal palsy, both her parents were GP's, you want to know what they did?
they put her up for adoption :( because she wasnt perfect, and would have took a little more looking after than the average child, so their lives, and career came first.

then she was attacked, and became pregnant herself, but was unable to keep the baby, as her CP was too severe, she would have dropped him ro something.
it tore her apart, and she was a different girl after they took him away... but she wasn't a bad parent, she loved him... she just couldnt cope.

please, dont listen to any negative comments, only the positive, and let your boy see his dad has a good opinion of himself, it will help to show him how to build confidence too ;)

btw, enjoy your day out with him, and i wanna hear all about it :D

Paul 05-02-2008 12:40

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No, I would not have attended any such class. The world seems to have survived without them for thousands of years.


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