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Osem 30-01-2008 11:57

Landmark Law Lords Ruling
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7216895.stm

I'm pleased for the woman concerned but is this really going to change very much or could it open up a can of worms?

Tuftus 30-01-2008 13:54

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Mrs A said: "I'm both delighted and relieved that my appeal to the House of Lords has been successful and that I've succeeded in changing a law which will provide others in the future with a means of achieving justice.

"It was this rather than financial gain which motivated me to begin this process two years ago."

My Ass.

:dozey:

Osem 30-01-2008 14:06

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A tad cynical perhaps??

Apparently there will be safeguards built into the system to ensure that sprurious claims aren't made simply in pursuit of compensation. Also of course there'll be relatively few people who'll have sizeable assets worth pursuing.

As the partner of someone who was sadly involved in 2 personal injury litigation cases I can tell you that for us the financial compensation element such as it was came a very poor second to ensuring that those responsible were held accountable for their actions. What compensation was received we'd gladly have traded in to wind the clocks back.

jkat 30-01-2008 14:45

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34479870)
A tad cynical perhaps??

Apparently there will be safeguards built into the system to ensure that sprurious claims aren't made simply in pursuit of compensation. Also of course there'll be relatively few people who'll have sizeable assets worth pursuing.

As the partner of someone who was sadly involved in 2 personal injury litigation cases I can tell you that for us the financial compensation element such as it was came a very poor second to ensuring that those responsible were held accountable for their actions. What compensation was received we'd gladly have traded in to wind the clocks back.

:tu: a long time comming, it goes a long way to wiping the smiles off their (the attackers) smug faces!

BBKing 30-01-2008 18:07

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is this really going to change very much or could it open up a can of worms?
Not going to change very much. Let's get this into perspective, all they've done is ruled that judges can exercise discretion in allowing lawsuits to proceed, rather than being bound by hard-and-fast limits set in law on how long you can wait before suing someone for damages. It doesn't make it easier to sue or more likely to win or get more money, Mrs. A could still lose her case, which would be in many ways a great shame, or she could win and be awarded £10k or some similarly insignificant fraction of the rapist's subsequent wealth.

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The law lords ruled that claims for sexual assault should be brought within three years in future - in line with other civil claims for damages - but said courts should have the discretion to extend the period to permit older claims, removing the six-year cut-off point.
Basically, that's all that's happened today.

It's also a shame that people concentrate on the fact that he won the lottery, which is irrelevant except in showing that fate and chance don't favour nice guys. There were other cases involved, usually people who'd been abused in local authority care, where the question of sudden acquisition of vast sums doesn't arise.

cookie_365 30-01-2008 18:31

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And this is only for personal injury and death cases, and the court has to take into account the reasons for the delay and the whether the defendant can still reasonably defend the case.

But it's still good news :)

jkat 30-01-2008 19:42

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Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34479862)
Mrs A said: "I'm both delighted and relieved that my appeal to the House of Lords has been successful and that I've succeeded in changing a law which will provide others in the future with a means of achieving justice.

"It was this rather than financial gain which motivated me to begin this process two years ago."

My Ass.

:dozey:

been raped have u?

Tuftus 30-01-2008 20:02

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Originally Posted by jkat (Post 34480089)
been raped have u?

Do I have to have been to have an opinion?

:rolleyes:

jkat 30-01-2008 20:48

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Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34480113)
Do I have to have been to have an opinion?

:rolleyes:

no but i think u would change your opinion if u had?

Tuftus 30-01-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by jkat (Post 34480157)
no but i think u would change your opinion if u had?

For the money or for the justice?

Russ 30-01-2008 22:31

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Seeing as financial gain is not her motivating factor, can we safely assume she will donate all proceeds to charity?

Hugh 30-01-2008 22:33

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She might, but the lawyers on the "no-win, no-fee" basis won't (imho).

lostandconfused 30-01-2008 22:38

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Something I dont really understand about this case, and all the other claim to gain cases.

Fair enough being compensated if you have lost out financially, such as had to take time off work because of it.

But why should anyone expect to be paid if something happens to them which wasnt their fault, such as slipping over in the street or even something as bad as rape.

Say someone is raped, then goes onto sue their attacker and gets X amount payout. Is that money going to make her feel any better? Or will it turn back time?

jkat 30-01-2008 23:00

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34480247)
Seeing as financial gain is not her motivating factor, can we safely assume she will donate all proceeds to charity?

u up for a rape as well? u got a price as well? :rolleyes:

Russ 30-01-2008 23:33

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Originally Posted by jkat (Post 34480281)
u up for a rape as well? u got a price as well? :rolleyes:

I have NO idea what you're on about but if you're fishing for an argument you won't get one from me. It's quite a straightforward question. She has stated the motivation behind this case was not financial which would indicate she is not intending to keep any cash she gets from him, unless she's happy to run the risk of sounding a hypocrite.

Tuftus 31-01-2008 00:15

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Well > jkat Since you did not answer my question re: Money vs Justice...

The way I see it is that the offenders that are concerned here, ie Lotto Rapist etc. They have served thier time in clinck.

OK, what they did was dispicable but they have done thier time and that is that.

Right, know some (possibly) hard up victim thinks - aha! I can have a peice of that pie!

And can now get that peice of teh pie... How rude is that? I mean FFS The guy has paid his debt to society apart from the fact that the lucky git managed to win the lotto.

Gravy train anyone?

Jeez, I mean I am a law abiding citizen (bar a bit of streeto lol) and I get jack ****.

I have every sympathy for those that are unlucky enough to get raped, but this I think is nowt but delayed ambulance chasing.

*dons fireproof suit*

jkat 31-01-2008 09:16

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Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34480338)
Well > jkat Since you did not answer my question re: Money vs Justice...

The way I see it is that the offenders that are concerned here, ie Lotto Rapist etc. They have served thier time in clinck.

OK, what they did was dispicable but they have done thier time and that is that.

Right, know some (possibly) hard up victim thinks - aha! I can have a peice of that pie!

And can now get that peice of teh pie... How rude is that? I mean FFS The guy has paid his debt to society apart from the fact that the lucky git managed to win the lotto.

Gravy train anyone?

Jeez, I mean I am a law abiding citizen (bar a bit of streeto lol) and I get jack ****.

I have every sympathy for those that are unlucky enough to get raped, but this I think is nowt but delayed ambulance chasing.

*dons fireproof suit*

u just dont get it do u?

Osem 31-01-2008 09:54

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Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34480338)
Well > jkat Since you did not answer my question re: Money vs Justice...

The way I see it is that the offenders that are concerned here, ie Lotto Rapist etc. They have served thier time in clinck.

OK, what they did was dispicable but they have done thier time and that is that.

Right, know some (possibly) hard up victim thinks - aha! I can have a peice of that pie!

And can now get that peice of teh pie... How rude is that? I mean FFS The guy has paid his debt to society apart from the fact that the lucky git managed to win the lotto.

Gravy train anyone?

Jeez, I mean I am a law abiding citizen (bar a bit of streeto lol) and I get jack ****.

I have every sympathy for those that are unlucky enough to get raped, but this I think is nowt but delayed ambulance chasing.

*dons fireproof suit*

You seem to be ignoring the fact that a civil action still has to be brought and won before any compensation may be awarded. As I understand it, it will NOT be possible for just anyone to appear out of the woodwork years after the event, make spurious claims and then launch an action. In fact, as has already been said, the number of people able to benefit from this change will probably be relatively few for a variety of reasons not the least of which will be their unwillingness to live through the trauma they've suffered all over again. Anyone who thinks litigation is an easy route to even easier money really needs to try it.

Maggy 31-01-2008 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34480338)
Well > jkat Since you did not answer my question re: Money vs Justice...

The way I see it is that the offenders that are concerned here, ie Lotto Rapist etc. They have served thier time in clinck.

OK, what they did was dispicable but they have done thier time and that is that.

Right, know some (possibly) hard up victim thinks - aha! I can have a peice of that pie!

And can now get that peice of teh pie... How rude is that? I mean FFS The guy has paid his debt to society apart from the fact that the lucky git managed to win the lotto.

Gravy train anyone?

Jeez, I mean I am a law abiding citizen (bar a bit of streeto lol) and I get jack ****.

I have every sympathy for those that are unlucky enough to get raped, but this I think is nowt but delayed ambulance chasing.

*dons fireproof suit*

You have no idea about the trauma that can last for years from rape and from the sexual abuse of minors many of whom as children may not reveal what has happened to them until they are adults which may take years before they find the courage to tell anyone let alone seek any money.:rolleyes:

Osem 31-01-2008 10:59

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Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34480439)
You have no idea about the trauma that can last for years from rape and from the sexual abuse of minors many of whom as children may not reveal what has happened to them until they are adults which may take years before they find the courage to tell anyone let alone seek any money.:rolleyes:

Yes, and in the case of abused youngsters it may be many years before they even realise that what happened to them was indeed abuse.

BBKing 31-01-2008 12:47

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As I understand it, it will NOT be possible for just anyone to appear out of the woodwork years after the event, make spurious claims and then launch an action
It will, actually, but the ruling gives the judge discretion to decide whether it's in the interests of justice to proceed with the case outside the three year limitation. This is much more relevant to people, for example, abused at the age of 10 for whom it's clearly against the interests of justice to force them to launch a legal action by age 13, particularly if they're in the care of the body they're suing, or quite probably have resources or family or legal expertise to fall back on. The Lotto Rapist angle does hide the main point here.

Osem 31-01-2008 14:10

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Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34480499)
It will, actually, but the ruling gives the judge discretion to decide whether it's in the interests of justice to proceed with the case outside the three year limitation. This is much more relevant to people, for example, abused at the age of 10 for whom it's clearly against the interests of justice to force them to launch a legal action by age 13, particularly if they're in the care of the body they're suing, or quite probably have resources or family or legal expertise to fall back on. The Lotto Rapist angle does hide the main point here.

And since few, if any, judges will proceed with something which isn't in the interests of justice, spurious cases will fail.

TheDaddy 03-02-2008 21:24

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34480247)
Seeing as financial gain is not her motivating factor, can we safely assume she will donate all proceeds to charity?

Think so

And Mrs A should now be able to go to court once more to fight for personal compensation - which, if successful, she has pledged to give to charity

Russ 03-02-2008 21:26

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If she does then good for her.

Hugh 03-02-2008 21:30

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And so, amazingly, are the lawyers (from the link above) - excellent.
"DLA Piper now plans to reclaim its legal fees - and the award from the YEP - from Hoare. It, too, plans to donate the money to local charities"


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