Hillary Clinton - What are her chances?
 

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If I were voting Hilary would get my vote.

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Clinton for Prez, Obama for Veep - then in 8 years time, he gets the top job.

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I like that idea but I cannot see it happening yet ;)

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a woman or an african american... nope some old white fart with loads a money;)

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I can't see it happening at all - they loathe each other. Whichever of them gets the Democrat nomination, they won't be picking the other as a running mate.

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Also, I think the image of clinton as a Vp would look weird

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I think John McCain has a good chance as well

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I seriously could not give a flying .....

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Depends, A lot of attention is focused on the democrates, the two candidates, especially Obama, have a lot of momentum behind them and in primarys in which independents can vote most of them have been doing so to vote for one of the democratic candidates.

The democrates have the drive, energy and momentum that is capitiving peoples attention. They will field the first woman or black candidate in American History.

The republicans are suffering too much from the Bush years and people want something different.

It will be very hard for the republicans to win IMO.

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I think the coasts would like that but would middle america vote for that?

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Though there is some bridge building going on at the moment. The worst case scenareo for the Democrats is splitting the vote between Clinton and Obama and the Republicans getting back in as a result.

A democrat friend of mine voted in the Republican Primaries to influence the best of a bad lot if they get back in!

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But a lot of middle america (i mean geographically - the breadbasket states) are naturally republican. The coasts are more liberal, thus more likely to be democrat.

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Obama has wiped the floor with Clinton in the South Carolina primary:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7210389.stm

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So a caucus each and a primary each. Big woop.

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Heh, whoever gets to win this election, as the leader of a major superpower in the world really gets to dictate which way the world swings from then on, it's their finger on the button so-to-speak, it's worth being even just slightly interested in these things as it could well have an effect on your life whether you like it or not :)

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to be honest.... I know nothing to do with our politics let alone americas.

I just hope whoever gets it, is probably as good as clinton was.

His missus might, the coloured guy who sounds like a terrorist might, but who really knows.

I know they will have the main power, but what really does it all mean to us?

ik

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have they a choice ?.:erm:

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dont bet on it daddy.;)

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how true !!

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why they are all the same. Anyone wanting to be involved in politics should be removed from society and shot imo ;)

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The person who wins the nomination does have a choice on who should be on the ticket with them. However, the choice is really dependent on who could help them win an election and hating each other may not be enough of a reason to choose them.

I think if Obama wins, Edwards will be VP. Properly Obama if Clinton wins. I do hope the democrates vote for Obama, I think he has a better chance of getting the Dems back in Office than Clinton does

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Is the US really the last superpower or is it a superpower in its dieing days? China as the major providor of goods to the country is taking $$$ from it on a daily basis, the dependancy on foreign oil means $$$ are going to the Arab states daily.

The Banking crisis on sub-prime was only as small as it was so far (and that is not that small) because Sovereign investment funds from Arab and Pac-Rim countries have provided more working capital to those banks, similarly SocGen has issued more share capital to a sovereign investment fund to prevent it going bust.

The world is currently in the middle of a fairly large transfer of assets from America and Europe to BRIC and other developing nations. Life will be interesting for the next few years.

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Democrat heavyweight Senator Edward Kennedy has come out in support of Obama:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7213846.stm

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Well in the southern states Clinton will win far far more than Obama, as the south is still anti black.

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The only issue I have with Obama is that he proposes to put all NASA's projects on a back burner and use the money to fund science education.Sounds like a good idea but it means that when the young scientists start looking for work they won't have the ultimate scientists dream to aim for.:erm:

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"the South is still anti-black"?

These are the Primaries - only Democrats (& sometimes also Independents) can vote in the Democrat Primaries.

Many African-Americans vote Democrat.

Southern states may be..."Southern"...but they also have large African-American populations...populations which Obama is very popular with.

Obama won South Carolina...he is expected to also take Alabama & Georgia...

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i for one would be glad to see no ultimate dream to aim for,remember hiroshima !!

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But then we will never invent the Warp Drive and the warp signature will never be found on Earth and we will never be visited by aliens!!!

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Strangly I can think of NO disadvantages of space exploration and loads of advantages.This PC I'm using to type a message to you for one.Without the space race our computers would have taken a lot longer to reduce down in size from the size of a whole ground floor to a desktop model.Also without the satellite system(courtesy of space exploration) we would have no TV,no mobile phones and no way to measure and explore the ravages of global warming,hurricanes and other catastrophic disasters.I am so thankful for non stick frying pans.;)

To compare what NASA does with the event of Hiroshima is somewhat ridiculous considering what benefits the whole world has derived from our forays into space.

However this is going wildly off topic so I suggest if you want to discuss this issue that we start another thread.;)

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true !! :D

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i think your right.:)

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Ron Paul for the win :)

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For a moment then I thought you said RuPaul!

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Equally credible, and as much chance ;)

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Is America ready for a black president? It could light the touch paper of racial conflict.

Mind you, is America ready for a woman president? Would it be a powerful message, or embarrasing when vising countries where women are treated as second class citizens.

On the name front, Obama just doesn't sound presidential, on a poor line, it could end up sounding like "Osama".

Clinton, on the other hand, has an impeccable presidential pedigree.

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Apparently Monica Lewinsky's Brother is routing for Hillary.

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like it.:D

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Do bet on it, you'd get pretty good odds for a start. He is the only Republican that is electable, the public like him, he is a genuine war hero and he looks like all the other past presidents (old, white, nice suit etc)

and if that ain't enough for you he is just as popular in the polls as Clinton and Obama, according to a radio report I heard not so long ago

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Yes, but unfortunately for him, the Evangelicals and NeoCons hate him, and he has been called (by members of his own party) a Liberal, and Ann Coulter said she would rather vote for Hillary than him. It will (imho) rip the Republicans apart (which is a shame, because I think out of all the Republicans, he is probably the best).

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have to agree matth,imo he would be putting his life on the line as there are still to many ! rednecks ! over there,i think that is what put off colin powell off from trying to advance any further in usa politics.

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Who ever gets in, Brown will be sucking up to them within days anyway. :D

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If she gets in I'd have to assume that Bill would be pulling the strings in the background ;)

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One thing about having the first black, and first woman presidential candidates is that their race and gender is being pushed into the background compared to the genuine excitement they seem to be generating.

It's impressive that it is not making much of a difference. So come the general election I don't think the Democratic nominees differences in gender/color will be as important as people would have presumed a few years ago.

With Obama, the states in which it might be harder to elect a black president are most likely to be the center, more republican states anyway. The republicans are really disliked at the moment and pretty much all the democratic states are safe, most of the swing states will go to the Dems imo. California and Florida are likely to vote for a Black/Woman candidate so that will actually help them there..

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Getting back to the original question - I'd say if she's a good a liar as her husband she'll do very well.

Just in case anyone forgot:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/special_r...mes/208715.stm

According to Google there may have been other lies too........ Surely not :rolleyes:

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Meh, He seems to have been a good president. The overreaction to sex was stupid and mostly an attempt to remove him from Office.

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Popular he was for sure but good??? That's a matter of opinion but in mine the 'good' presidents are just the ones who don't get caught too often......

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...TICS/LIES.html

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All presidents will do good and bad things, it's human nature to make mistakes and given the power of the presidency your mistakes are amplifyed. Clinton helped a lot in Ireland, he was ok for the US economy. I think he got a lot of policy passed as well but I am not sure about much of his domestic policy.

That site you linked you, at least that page, is very biased. For example:

:rolleyes:

Obviously written by a angry conservative.

Edit: Checked the main site, appears to be someone angry at everything. All governments (unless they are not European or American) are evil. 9/11 was a conspiracy etc etc.

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Damien being biased about something doesn't make you necessarily wrong does it? I mean the Democrats were biased in favour of Clinton weren't they? Is their take on his presidency any more valid? The quotes are in the article aren't they?

Yes it's human nature to make mistakes but does that make lying about those mistakes OK?

More mistakes?

http://www.aim.org/guest-column/my-l...-bill-clinton/

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Yes, but the context of the quotes and what they represent are important. You can make amazingly untrue statements without every having to utter a untrue word. You can take a quote out of context, you can add your own content, and you can neglate to mention over important facts.

So no, being biased does not make you wrong, but it does diminish your credibility. So you should always be very wary and distrustful of a biased source of information.

No, It's politics however and everything is spun, filtered, and organised for public perception.

Everyone is Washington is throwing mud at each other, and they all are guilty. It's not right but it is not unique to Clinton or any other politician. They all have to play the game to stay in it.

Look at the massive campaign that said the Clintons were responsible for someone’s death. Totally fictitious but it was a useful slur for his political opponents.

John Kerry voted for bills and then against them after the contents of the bill had changed (not uncommon), he admitted it and explained why he longer supported such bills. Yet, The Bush Campaign attacked him for 'flip-flopping' it was one of the most effective negative slurs against Kerry and people believed it, Kerry’s explanation was not given any real media time.

The truth can kill you in politics, the media and the public is too wrapped up in simple right/wrong good/bad issues and the complexities of a issue gets ignored in favour of public moral outage. Telling people you do not have all the answers, that you would like to do something but it’s difficult and complex, and that there is no magic fix for any issue is a sure-fire election loser.



I am not saying Clinton was perfect, I do not have the time to trail though every website, every accusation of lying, incompetence, mistake or underhanded tactic. I am sure there are examples of all of those. I am just saying he did good things as well and a lot of people seem to think so.


Here are some of the things he did:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cl...3.E2.80.932001

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We agree then ;)

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he done a lot of good work for n.ireland,hes ok.:tu:

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Yes he did but so did Bliar and Major - didn't make them wonderful leaders sadly.

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are there any wonderful leaders on this planet os ? i dont think so.;)

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Clinton or Bush jnr.Well I know which did a better job of being president.

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so do i.;)

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So, you're running for your party's Presidential nomination, and while giving a speech, you happen to say...

... only for video news footage to then be shown on TV which actually shows you & your daughter calmly leaving the plane, calmly walking across the tarmac & waving, & then calmly meeting an 8 year old girl.


But hey, so what. You "made a mistake", and it "proves you're human".


:rolleyes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7313117.stm

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"proves you're running to succeed George Bush", more like.

The sooner she drops out and Obama gets a clear run the better - he's seriously impressive, and McCain scares me - Bush with added war.

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Hillary now has 4 hopes. Bob Hope, Antelope, Envelope & No hope. I think Obama will win the democratic nomination. He seems to have a good following and strong backing in quite a few ramining states. I don't think the recent press coverage regarding Hillary has done her any favours at all.

Shame really. I wanted Clinton to win the nomination. Bill did a good job until that Lewinsky debacle imo.

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Which of course had nothing to do with his ability to lead a country :rolleyes:

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i still say old white geezer