3 little......BANNED animals
 

BBC
Seriously, you couldn't make this stuff up :dozey:

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Whatever next :rolleyes:

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Whats ironic is that the judging panel are also attacking the book's stereotyping of buildings, whilst at the same time applying their own (inappropriate) stereotype to what might or might not offend certain cultures. I'd guess they are aiming it at ,by making their own stupid assumptions, protecting the sensitivities of Muslims (maybe Jews too)

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Things are really getting bad, whatever next :(

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Good point :tu:

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They better not ban Peppa Pig from the morning cartoon schedules, it's my daughters favourite cartoon!

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its getting to be a total pain in the butt :confused:

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As the majority of the judges who made this decision are teachers, what does that say about the mentality of the education establishment?
Perhaps someone should point out to them that at Taif zoo during the 80's, they had several pigs on display. So if Saudi Arabia is happy with pigs in their zoos, what on earth where these teachers thinking? Oh wait... they obviously weren't.

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Lets face it, with current mentality there will soon be a time when all references to the words black, brown, pigs, golliwoggs, sheep etc will be banned completely. Common sense has no place in this world at the moment, it's all down to a perception of a possible offence being caused instead of actually asking the groups involved whether they actually care about the references.

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You seem to have slightly embroidered the story in your headline, Paul, since it's not actually been banned, has it, with it still being on sale and everything? True, it's a Government agency acting in a phenomenally stupid way, but that's hardly surprising given the way people are appointed to them.

If there's a single sensible Muslim who applauds this I'd like to see them*. I suspect, like the saafster, they'll roll their eyes up and think 'bloody idiots'. As indeed will virtually everyone else. It's not like their writ runs to banning it from schools or that anyone's going to take it as a cue to start banning it from schools.

In case anyone's looking for a copy, here you are, but they might want to sort out the pricing. Geared to schools at the moment.

http://www.shooflypublishing.co.uk/product.php?id=13

Now for some real discrimination:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/7204543.stm

Shocking. I'll be joining them in solidarity just as soon as I can persuade my girlfriend to adopt a BDSM lifestyle (she can do the 'S' part already, she whacked me in the eye when I suggested it).

* The type of Muslim who would applaud Becta's decision would, I suspect, not be happy with it being on sale full stop, or indeed quite a lot of other things being on sale. It's not like the jihadists' worldview is concentrated on thick government agencies shortlisting books for awards.

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What?

I don't remember the part of this story where a bloke turns up late, drinks some tea, says that he can't do the job because he needs to order the parts then disappears for 3 months..

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Seriously...sheep? Hello? Common sense goes both ways, mate - nothing's been banned.

Sense of proportion *please* - or have I wasted my time on here for the last couple of years pointing out that political-correctness-gone-mad stories are usually made up?

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Remember the bit where the shoddily built houses get blown down by a wolf huffing and puffing?
Imagine if there'd been a gale at the time?

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Careful, that my be deemed offensive to water-butts!!! :D

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Proper builders would have put a sign up saying 'Warning: this property is not suitable for use in a wolf-rich environment'.

Looking through the website, it's a lot more offensive to builders than Muslims.

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Just another bunch of hand-wringing Guardianistas making idiots of themselves. What a pity they get to inflict their worthy fantasies on others. Perhaps we should try to get them banned for causing offence.

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Just wait, in a week or so time, you'll have someone posting "I'm not a racist, but I get really fed up with muslims coming over here, trying to ban the three little pigs"

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TBH im fed up with Muslims wanting to change this countries culture but im more fed up with the PC brigade constantly backing them up. Have they not proven they can fight their own battles? for christ sakes they are winning

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Muslims are not, some stupid idiot is.

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well some are its not just the PC brigade handing them Britain on a plate but they are certainly helping them along

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Ok, maybe I was being overly generous by saying it would take a week or so...

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But I didnt say what you prophesied although someone saying one thing and you deciding its something else isnt unusual is it

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Of course some are, every group was racists, nutters, criminals, murders and whatever else you can think of. It is not however, indicitive of the entire Muslim population. That is an important distinction because otherwise all groups will be help responsible for the actions of a minority. It is the same logic that lets terrorist justify their actions against innocent people in the west based on collective responsibility.

You yourself have argued in favor of Jehovah's Witnesses, saying that people should not believe the negative press that is often published about them. Shouldnt the same be applied to Muslims?

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at no point in this have I said it is all

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You will not win m8. We lost the country a few years back. We are now on borrowed time.

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No but you said 'muslims' refering to the group. Also, if it is the majority then why worry about it?

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yes

1 Muslim
2 or more Muslims
all Muslims is all

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You mean like groups of non-muslims restricting things because they believe it might offend muslims and you deciding that muslims want to force us to change our culture? That sort of thing?

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dude im not gonna start having a discussion with you on this track again sorry not playing your game

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This just in from the Health and Safety Executive:

'Product Recall Warning: Daily Mail Readership - May Contain Dangerous Nuts'

There isn't a PC brigade. If there were it would be visible to the naked eye. Which it isn't. Because it doesn't exist. Like the story of the Three Little Pigs, in fact, although that may come as a shock to some.

Nasty little question - given that the UK is a fully franchised democracy, Muslims just as much as anyone else are entitled to campaign (but not, however, to demand) to change this country's culture and indeed laws. Therefore zing's statement can be rewritten 'I'm fed up with this country being a democracy'. Discuss.

Prove it. Resorting to worn out cheap 80s stereotypes doesn't help your argument, I can provide several Guardian/Observer columnists (Nick Cohen springs unpleasantly to mind) who are among our worst Islamophobes and would fit neatly into zinglebarb's world view. Find a Grauniad article supportive of Becta's action or any other 'PC gone mad' story and I'll send you a biscuit.

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Would that be back when the NF fell apart then?
Is that what you're talking about?

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No and don't try and paint me that way. In other words grow up. You make me sick with your holy er than thou attitude. I will not be dictated to by you or any one else so go try picking on someone else GOT IT. I have never been and never will be a member of that party so don't you ever try to say i was :upyours:

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im used to having what I say re written in current affairs I just speak my mind

But hey democracy means all the tax problems we have all the unwanted wars corrupt government woohoo democracy

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Our government is far from perfect (and you will never hear me say it is), but remember this: Countries who don't have democracies also don't offer a lot of the freedoms (things such as, oohh, the freedom to express thoughts and feelings that don't agree with what the government says) that, thanks to democracy, ours does.

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Sorry, but when you said "We lost the country a few years back" in relation to muslims, what else are people supposed to think? Not that I actually suggested you were a member. Touchy aren't you?
Are you honestly suggesting that Muslims cannot be British, and this is not their country as well as suggesting that the country was lost to them?

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I do not feel I can express my thoughts and feelings how I wish on this forum let alone in public

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I totally agree mate.

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Just in case anyone's interested in some balance:

http://news.becta.org.uk/display.cfm...658&catID=1633

which doesn't mention pigs, Asians or Muslims at all, unsurprisingly.

Now for some investigation. It is just possible that, given that they were shortlisting four out of goodness knows how many products that the whole thing is a PR blitz by Shoo-fly designed to use the magic words 'Muslims' and 'political correctness' to cover up for noses being out of joint at not being shortlisted by BECTA. Notably, close reading of the story reveals that the whole thing derives from feedback from BECTA to Shoo-fly, which was in turn revealed to the BBC by Merlin John of, er, http://www.merlinjohnonline.net who got it from, er, Shoo-fly. Good publicity for Mr. John here, who has previous in being critical of BECTA and has recently struck out on his own, which doubtless had no bearing on his decision to stick an attention-grabbing story on his own blog.

So much for blaming teachers, they gave it an award. Ho hum. Does anyone else think Mr. John's article reads like an advert? Cynical old me.

Without access to the *full* original feedback we have no way of knowing what weight was given to the pig or builder aspects of the story, so we're in some way flying a bit blind here (and the BBC is being rubbish at reporting it in a balanced way, by the way, they shouldn't allow themselves to be used as a one-sided mouthpiece).

Yes, sorry, I did correct the spelling and punctuation. The meaning, however, I left intact. I applaud your good sense in throwing in the towel before stepping into Xac and my carefully constructed Bigot Traps, though.

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You can express your opinion. However, you must also remember that (as with discussion in off line life) other people are free to disagree.

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No i was saying that we lost this country to the "your not to mention Pigs, The War, Or anything that might upset anyone anywhere anytime" Group. Did i mention Muslims no i did not so your post is a typical example of what i am talking about. You made the decision that i was being racist and wadded in with you idea of who i am. Well you are wrong as is the norm.

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Pc brigade is alive and well and just accused me of being a racist

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Man what a load of <EDITED - JEFFERSON T>.
I'm so.so sick of hearing the word "Muslim" .
Oh the Muslims won't like it if we have a pork sandwich(i wonder if pork will be the next thing to be banned from advertisements on tv???).
Why do we have to please "MUSLIMS" all the <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> time?
Why can't we just say whatever needs to be said without it "offending" "Muslims" every <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> time a pork <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> sandwich or some other crap appears on tv advertisement ?
Hardly free speech.
I hope this sorts itself out seriously <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> up this is.
Who gives a <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> about 3 <EDITED - JEFFERSON T> pigs ffs?
Oh i forgot It's them "Muslims again.
We hear that word so many times.

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it is not the disagreeing I am bothered about

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As I said, I've not suggested you were a member of the NF, I just asked if that was the time you were talking about.
Touchy indeed.

And why bring TheNorm into this? I don't think he's even posted ;)

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I suggest we all calm down NOW. Also please can we have no more discussion of reps given or recieved or content of them.

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You implied.

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Well said Zing Xaccers seems to be a spy from the Muslim council to me to come and try and Warp us all with his/her "great love for muslim " posts in threads.

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And that's what people seem to forget when commenting on the state of the 'PC Brigade'. People more often then not blame the ethnic group/religion concerned for banning Christmas, pigs, Santa Clause, Cows, Blackboards, Bibles for the state of affairs, when in reality they (the group who its been deemed will be offended) just wonder what the hell is going on.

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Are you kidding me? :dozey:

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How?
I asked if you were talking about when the NF fell apart.

:rofl: Thank you for totally destroying your own arguments in one sentance.
I'm just glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post or it'd be all over my monitor! :rofl:

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lol ginge thats paranoia!:erm:

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Can we return to the topic NOW please.

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No were just asking them to stop being over the top and warp things beyond what they are.We aledgedly live in a democracy that promotes free speech yet this subject is hardly free speech is it?
Every thing you say is defending "Muslims" and not defending the "others".
Why shouldn't we be allowed to say anything?
Even if it does offend(that word again)Muslims?
I'm very sure 99% of "Muslims" couldn't be the slightest bit bothered about this,although there's always that 1% who will try and warp it to no end.

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It was a joke you muppets:D
I was just saying how xaccers defends Muslims whenever possible.

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Do you honestly think that i am that stupid. I and other's know the little game you play on here where you try to trap someone in to admitting something that will assist you in your word games. I for one will not be one of them. You accused the wrong person this time.

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I'm assuming that you have failed to grasp the idea that its a perception of judges that has led to the book being rejected in the awards (not banned) and that muslims had nothing to do with it (quote copied below)

Also can I put forward a challenge to you. How about you post some concrete evidence of muslims actually forcing something to be banned in the UK, as opposed to something being banned/removed/rejected based on a perception by a group (usually non muslims) that it will offend Muslims.

As for your other post about Xaccers being a spy fro the Muslim Council, thanks for making my day with one of the funniest statements I've read on this forum in a long time.


Quote:
A story based on the Three Little Pigs has been turned down from a government agency's annual awards because the subject matter could offend Muslims.
The digital book, re-telling the classic fairy tale, was rejected by judges who warned that "the use of pigs raises cultural issues".

The awards which rejected the book are run by Becta, the government's educational technology agency.

The judging panel also attacked the book's stereotyping of builders.

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That comment about Xaccers and the "Muslim" council was a joke ,as i said before i was just saying about everything thing He/she said was about defending "Muslims".

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Right, so you should be able to make uneducated comments deriding the British muslim community, blaming them for things which they've had nothing to do with, and no one should be able to set you straight?
Lovely.
Nice idea about free speech there.
Do you honestly believe that muslims should be blamed for BECTA's decision, or other decisions made on their behalf without consultation?

If BECTA had done the same but said it would offend Jews and people started blaming the Jewish community for the decision, I'd be defending the Jews.

Here's a challenge for you if you believe they're trying to force their culture onto us, list 10 news articles where the muslims (plural mind you, not just one wacko) have asked for the banning of porcine products.

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I wasnt gonna comment, but.........
Its not always Muslims who complain openly but let their religous views be know so that they then get taken up by the white English PC brigade. So although they may not make the statement personally and publicly its there.....

Some light reading
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I object how Halal meat is procured and how they the animals are killed. I don't find this a humain way to kill livestock for food, but hey I'm not recognised by my own country so why should I give a **** about anyone or anything else?

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How many Muslims are or have been offended by the "Three Little Pigs" story?

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Great, a load of links which you've obviously not read (otherwise you'd know which ones were identical) and rather than showing that Muslims are asking for pork to be banned, those relating to porcine matters simply do not expose themselves to it.
The one actual article (rather than anti-muslim blogs) again just states that muslims are not asking for people to change to their beliefs, they're just excluding themselves from activities they consider to be against their own beliefs.
If a teetotaller like myself doesn't go down the pub because it's full of drunken oafs drinking themselves to an early grave, is my avoidance of that pub an attempt to force those inside to give up alcohol, or is it just that I don't agree with getting rat faced?

As for halal meat, you'd best avoid NewZealand lamb then.
Personally, I'd rather animals were processed in accordance to halal, that way they'll be treated with care through their lives, and given a quick painless death, rather than a slow agonizing one from a bolt to the head or electric shock then strung up to slowly bleed to death while their brain is kept oxygenated, but hey, if slow painful death is what you prefer animals to suffer, so be it.

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I quickly browsed the links and as I stated it's light reading :D besides I have other things to do at the moment than sit here reading 10's of different sites to check for duplication all night.
I think you may have missed the bit where I mentioned >>>>>
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that if people come to this country (lets forget about asylum seekers, illegal immigrants, muslims, hindu's etc for the moment) Why should we have to intergrate ourselves into their way of life, taking on aspects of what they require where they have little or no intrest into intergrating themselves into our culture, beliefs etc, they came here and now the 3 likkle piggies cant have their day :(


And as for New Zeland lamb. Bring it on baby YUMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!! :o:

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Ah yes, those 5 little words we all know and love, "in case it offends Muslims" :rolleyes:

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Too me, the world has gone completely mad over the sceanrio of this religious thing, with Muslim, they are telling us what to do, we are being told, we cannot say little piggies, we cannot say gollywog (the name of a certain marmalade) in case it causes offence, l believe in todays newspapers, it states something, that is so supposed to be offensive to builders, for many years, we have work bantor, swear words, dirty mags,(we have heard stories where a Muslim worker, has taken offence to a naked woman INSIDE someones locker, and the worker has had to take it down, so why don't we, tomorrow go into work, and if you see ANYTHING, which is against YOUR religion, complain to management, and state that you are not prepared to work in the workplace until that item is taken down, if they can get away with it, so should we, that is why l say this country has gone totally mad, next they are going to say, we can't wear shoes and socks walking past them as it offends them:mad::mad::mad:

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No they're not. This decision has been made apparently without consulting any of the people they're claiming will be offended.

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i think he means Jam.
but they are much the same.

btw im not a racist but...

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Robinsons. IMO this was where it all started going downhill. People even got arrested for showing dolls in vehicles

and by christ some of em are worth some dollar http://spiritofsport.co.uk/web/produ...archFor=&PT_ID=

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Well it might need a bit of updating - it is quite old. The wolf not so much huffing and puffing but perhaps favouring a few pounds of weedkiller strapped to a young wolf, to blow the house down. And for the brick house, well the nasty DCI Wolf could fabricate evidence, obtain a search warrant, and kick the house door down - thus avoiding using the chimney.

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why do I have a sudden craving for Green Jelly :LOL:

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Yikes, that song was dodgy! lol

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not by the hair on my chinny chin chin ;)

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I must say that I am disgusted..........................





















..........Ramrod hasn't posted in a religious thread ;)

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For starters, many muslims were born here, so what about them?
Secondly, how is a muslim not doing something because it's against their religion infringing on anyone else's religious beliefs or culture? It's like I said about being teetotal and not going into pubs because thats where drunk people tend to be, how is my not going to pubs infringing pub goers ability to get drunk? Simple, it isn't, just as a muslim or jew not touching pork doesn't affect other's ability to touch pork.

The majority of lamb produced in NewZealand is halal.

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Nice to see a post totally unencumbered by facts..........

btw, who are "they"?

What'll be happening next - Catholics expecting women to cover their heads at Mass? Will you be having a rant about that?

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If I saw a naked woman inside a colleagues locker I'd be extremely worried too, most probably cause she'd be dead and probably folded in two.

Are you really blaming Muslims for the removal of semi naked women on calenders/posters in the workplace?

As has been said by another poster, nice to see the total absense of facts in your post.

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I have my eye on it :D

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But you know that even you cant blame the muslims on this one....... lol.....

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EXCUSE ME!!!:shocked:

Don't go tarring ALL of us with the same brush.I know many more teachers than you and they would be equally disgusted at anyone 'banning' a book for such a reason or for being labeled in this manner.:(

Oh and blaming all Muslims for the so called anti-PC rubbish printed in some of our rumour monger papers(I cannot dignify them with the term of newspaper) is absolutely moronic.The majority of BRITISH Muslims actually embrace our differences in culture and enjoy the cross over between the cultures.I would bet that many would read this story to their children without a second thought.

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Can I just point out that nothing has been banned and no Muslims appear to have been involved in this blown out of all proportion farrago of innuendo. It may be pointed out before; if so, I apologise.

What actually happened was - Daily Telegraph
Dozens of companies submitted entries to the annual BETT awards, led by Becta, which heaped praise on a robot with 67 different manoeuvres, a computer program which allows children to recreate Jackson Pollock paintings and a game helping pupils to learn French. But Newcastle-based publishers Shoo Fly were shocked when judges told them that their interactive 3D book was unsuitable for children.

In a feedback form, Becta told the company: "Judges would not recommend this product to the Muslim community in particular."

I would not recommend Eastenders or Strictly Come Dancing in our house, but they aren't banned or offensive (OK, maybe they are offensive :D ).

Somehow "not recommending" became, in the following newspapers -
Daily Telegraph - story based on the Three Little Pigs has been rejected by a government quango in case it offends Muslims. (they also managed to sneak in a reference to Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep, just in case enough people weren't upset)
Daily Mail - A story based on The Three Little Pigs has been rejected by a Government-backed awards event because it might offend Muslims... and builders (love the ... between Muslims and builders)
Daily Express - A pop-up book based on a popular children's fairytale has been dismissed as "offensive to Muslims" by a Government agency.

I love the fact that putting a statement in quotation marks makes it ok to lie.

Definition of quotation marks from the dictionary -
"Either of a pair of punctuation marks used primarily to mark the beginning and end of a passage attributed to another and repeated word for word, but also to indicate meanings or glosses and to indicate the unusual or dubious status of a word"

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Yeah but, no but.....:D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3604675.stm

It seems to be Kosher too me ;)

http://www.newzealandlamb.org/main.cfm?menuid=30

If you looked a little harder, yes NZ supplies quite a lot of lamb slaughtered according to shariah law but that is for Muslim customers, it sure dont end up in Tesco's or my local butcher.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0duIX-9-_W4

Oh and you obviously didnt read my post correctly because I didnt refer to any culture specificaly. I said why do we have to conform and intergrate ourselves into other cultures where other cultures (but not all members of that culture) dont want to intergrate themselves into our culture. We are being forced to conform to what others want by the small minded PC brigade and our wonderful :sick: labour government.

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Due to the amount of Halal meat NewZealand produce, it's more economical for those Halal producers to only produce Halal meat, it saves on seperate storage facilities and the risk of cross contamination.
To non-muslims halal meat is just meat, so yes, a lot of the NewZealand lamb which arrives at Tescos or your local butcher is indeed halal.

We're not though. As I've said, by someone not doing something, it doesn't mean that you can't do it.
How does someone not selling alcohol prevent you from buying alcohol from someone who is selling alcohol?
When I was at college and worked in BHS, because I was under 18, I was not allowed to sell alcohol, another member of staff had to come over and complete the transaction. How is that preventing the buyer from purchasing alcohol considering the transaction was completed?
Please, do explain how someone not integrating with us means we have to integrate with them?

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There's very little difference in how an animal is slaughtered under Jewish or Islamic laws. Infact Kosher meat is permissable to eat for Muslims as its slaughtered in virtually the same way. Kosher meat slaughter is a bit stricter than Halal, as, if I recall correctly, there has to be a Rabbii in attendance.

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Yes

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Are you sure about that?

Buy british, works for me :p:

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Yes.

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That one nearly ended up with Becks on the monitor. The forum's resident Defender Of Israel, you mean?

:Yikes::Yikes:

Theory: Most of the coverage of 'Muslim' issues is actually the planned Islamophobic propaganda from the red tops, faithfully regurgitated by those without a brain in their head and interspersed with the old touchstone phrases 'common sense', 'PC gone mad' and 'you couldn't make it up'. These are, in fact, the only people obsessed with the fantasy of a takeover of Britain by an odd combination of the Guardian and Islam. It's probably a medical condition.

Evidence - ginge51 and myself have five posts each in this topic:

ginge51 uses the word 'Muslim' or cognates 0+5+2+4+2 times in five posts, or 13 times in total

Myself: 2+0+1+1+2, or 6 times in total, despite writing much longer posts. This is because the story doesn't concern Muslims, and I was writing about the story. What ginge51 was writing about, perhaps he'd enlighten us?

All of which suggests that a) ginge51 and co. are more than twice as concerned with attacking Islam than I am defending it and b) in attacking a supposed 'white PC' conspiracy to defend Islam at any opportunity they're attacking something that doesn't exist. Hardly doing your cause much good, is it?

What does exist is an attempt to defend enlightenment, reason, individual freedom and evidence-based rational decision making. You know, traditional British values.

I could go on - another classic from Arthurgray50@blu who's dangerously close to being reported to the mods for subjecting the rest of us to passive bigotry and waves of people not reading the background and demonstrating again that when it comes to small-minded frightened passive-aggression the UK leads the world. Pathetic stuff.

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I read what John Gaunt had to say about the 'Banning of the 3 Pigs" in his column in the Sun today. No mention of how muslims had nothing to do with it, deciding to choose words like fatwas, marches etc etc to sensatioanalise the story. I read someone here the other day asking if Islamaphobia is a real word. You dont have to read much further than columists like this to conclude that its very real.

I think as long as you start whatever you're gonna say with "Im not a racist but...." you should be fine to say whatever you want here.

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To be fair I think a lot of people preface their remarks in that manner because of years during which anyone who dared to raise the immigration/race issue was branded a racist by those who didn't want to hear what was being said.

BBKing - why do you continue to live in the UK when clearly the views of so many people here lead you to use phrases like:

".... and demonstrating again that when it comes to small-minded frightened passive-aggression the UK leads the world. Pathetic stuff."

You could always emigrate.

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a) I'm British, and the British stand and fight for what's right
b) I live in London, which is unlike the rest of the UK anyway, as I've mentioned before. Suits me nicely.
c) I have lived abroad in the past, in Germany and Hungary. From this thread, I'm not the one who needs to get out and see the world.

and most importantly

d) The missus doesn't want to move outside W4, except to LA and I'm not bloody mad enough to do that.

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I think more and more people dont think like this anymore, choosing to justify their stance by whats going on, say, in countries in Africa or the Middle East.

You hear more and more people using phrases such as "we dont have any (human) rights back in Tehran/Sudan/Saudi so why should we let them have them here" or "I can't practice my religion iin Saudi/Sudan/Iran so why should Muslims be able to hear the Azaan in Oxford" etc etc.

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Both of which, as I wrote a couple of days ago, are the same as saying 'I don't want to live in a democracy any more'. It's toddler thinking and you don't have to dig very far to reveal contradictions. My current favourite is:

If we can't talk about Muslims for fear of upsetting them, because an all-powerful PC brigade is stopping us, why are we talking about Muslims all the time, usually in response to a negative story in the (Ex)press, which is clearly not being stopped from upsetting Muslims. This therefore proves that there is no all-powerful PC brigade stopping us from talking about and upsetting Muslims. QED, thank you and good night.

Given the prevalence of psychological projection as a mental condition (where you put all your fears and secret desires onto an enemy, like all those repressed gay Republicans) perhaps they secretly want to live in a nice, safe totalitarian dictatorship?

Going back a bit, this is nothing new, the Greenham protestors used to be told to go and live in Russia by ranting right-wingers all the time - later we found that Reagan's posturing and missile waving had spooked the Soviets into considering a first strike, thinking that Ron was serious, so the wimmin had a point.

Anyway, what's wrong with Saudi Arabia? Monarchy, respect for religion and family, death penalty, low crime, no drunken louts - Daily Mail heaven.

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The thing is, a lot of people (of all races and religions) for whatever reason find the sight of a naked woman offensive. Similarly, a lot of people find swearing offensive. Some are even offended by the thought that anyone would be looking at a naked lady.

Now, I personally would say that these things should be expected in some areas (builders, maintenance, plumbers or any office where there is a largely male population), and anyone who is likely to be offended should bear this in mind when applying for jobs in these places.

Now, I speak as someone who was given a verbal warning about his language in one job, after a woman (English, and as far as I know, not a muslim) complained.

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a) Oh I see so it's not such a bad place after all then - we agree on something. I rather got the impression from your sweeping statement that living here was getting you down.
b) so do I.
c) so have I.
d) neither am I :)

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I'll defend any nation full of shadayim tov :naughty:

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What's wrong with Lancaster? :confused: :p:

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About 250 miles too far north. Seriously, I'm trying to count up the number of times she's been appreciably north of London since we've been together and it's difficult to reach the fingers of both hands (about the same number of times she's been to the States). She has an old friend who now lives near Darlington which is about the only time she ever goes north. Her sister now lives in Liverpool though, so she'll be going there, possibly for the first time ever, sometime this year.

Like I said, London isn't England, it's almost a separate country now. Lot bigger and richer than Scotland too, eh? Not to mention a lot closer to Europe. So how about moving the English capital to Brum and we can hoist the flag (newts crossed on a bottle of whisky rampant) and sail off into the sunset.

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That will not help. If certain members cannot call you a racist they will hint at you being a member of a party that are racist. Which i find myself having to repeat i am not and never have been, Or ever will be.

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Something I found amusing in Richard Littlejohn's column, todays Daily Mail.

LINKAGE

:D

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Except of course it wasn't banned, but when was Littlejohn known for letting accuracy get in the way of rabble-rousing polemic?

See he managed to mention fatwa, though......

update - if you look on the Becta site, it says this
"The "Three Little Cowboy Builders" (a DVD resource produced by Shoo Fly Publishing, based on the "Three Little Pigs" story) is readily available on the market for those who wish to use it. It has not been banned by Becta or any of the other BETT Awards partner organisations.
However, it failed to be shortlisted for the BETT Awards which are run annually in partnership with BESA, EMAP Education, and Becta. There was a very high standard of entries this year and four high-quality products were shortlisted in this category ahead of "Three Little Cowboy Builders".

The product was not shortlisted by the judging panel because it failed to meet the required standard across a range of pre-defined criteria, especially in the areas of curriculum and innovation."

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Laughable. Not amusing. It's not amusing that he gets paid a million pounds a year for this drivel.

Private Eye this week serialises extracts from Nick Davies' forthcoming book on the press 'Flat Earth News' in which he interviews an ex-policeman and an ex-Mail journalist who told him that the Mail routinely hands over money to bent coppers and civil servants for information from the PNC and benefits databases. That's patriotic stuff, eh? Upholding British standards, and all that.

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It's becoming more and more obvious that the book was simply not considered good enough for the awards and the company behind it forwarded it to someone with a axe to grind and both decided to use the 'muslims ban xxx' formula to get attention and stir up anti-muslim feeling, andthe papers and public are more than happy to help

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The early reports suggested this book has already won some other awards, so I'm not sure you have any basis for saying the book was 'not good enough' ... unless you've read some commentary on it somewhere?

I think what has happened here is exactly what Littlejohn said happened, in his own unique way: a bunch of well-meaning idiots taking offence on someone else's behalf, without bothering to check whether said someone really would be offended.

It is genuinely unfair that the book was banned from being entered in the competition on that basis, just as it's now unfair that these well-meaning idiots, by the Law of Unintended Consequences, have simply handed more ammunition to those who despise the very people they set out to protect.

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What do you expect, when the Scots are running the place? :angel:

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While I think the original intent from Merlin John and Shoo-fly was to use a headline-grabbing PC gone mad story, I don't think they were actively bigoted, merely cynical and opportunistic and seemingly couldn't care less about the consequences. Our charming press supplied the bigotry, as usual, from their ample stocks.

Merlin John's site changed the headline on the story yesterday, by the way, it's a lot less inflammatory now.

Hmm. Not sure I buy this, as we've seen they fire it off whether or not they have any ammunition at all. If you'd said 'if you wanted to promote racial harmony and community relations the first thing you should do is actively combat the veiled racism and unveiled bigotry in the tabloid press' then I'd wholeheartedly agree with you. The fact that the only people doing this are Private Eye, me and some other bloggers (Obsolete and Five Chinese Crackers in particular) is the true scandal, since obviously we have a lot less power and money. This is probably behind the shocking rise in people willing to admit they're racially biased in this week's British social attitudes survey - if homosexuality rather than immigrants and Muslims were the current target this would presumably be reversed.

Except it wasn't solely on that basis, what's unclear is what weight was attached to it. The comments picked out by Merlin John, presumably supplied by Shoo-fly from the feedback sent to them, were presumably part of comments from some 70 judges, we have no way of knowing without access to the feedback what proportion of them are idiots or what weight the panel applied to each criticism or even what praise they offered. The basis of this story is cherry picked by one of the protagonists, which is hardly a recipe for a balanced view.

[It also wasn't banned from the competition but excluded from the final shortlist, which is a lot less inflammatory. Other books were excluded from the list on technicalities - nothing's been 'banned']

One other point that's germane to this is where the idea that pigs offend Asians or anything offends anyone comes from, which is of course the tabloid press puffing fictitious 'PC gone mad' rubbish*. Hence the story that the only people who actually do try and change 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' or whatever (which the Telegraph pulled out again, despite being long debunked) were some nursery teachers who'd read it in the Mail.

* Think about it - where else would they get it from, since there's we've established that there's no PC brigade? Even the Muslim Council of Britain, who are only really representative of themselves and are fairly extreme don't think this is an issue.