What you won't read in the Mail, Express and Sun tomorrow
 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...publicservices

In other words, we're exploiting them. Not the other way round, they're not sponging off the British taxpayer, they're not being given preference in flats over ordinarydecentwhiteworkingclass Britons, they're putting up with poor housing, paying British landlords for the privilege and working hard in low paid jobs.

Can we now give the petty small-minded xenophobia some bloody rest please?*

* No, in all probability. But it's worth asking.

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And as is the norm in the other type of threads....

"You don't believe everything you read in the Guardian do you??" :D

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Well I live in an area full of eastern europeans now and not one lives in a council or HA property, they are all in private rentals (most very nice new builds). I suspect the property crash we keep hearing about is being held at bay by the number of foreign nationals.

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It's not an opinion piece but a piece of reportage. If and when I find the original report I'll post a link to that under the rule of 'always read the original documents'. Generally if you do this with the Mail or Express you'll find they inverted the meaning, so it's always important to read the original (the tabs will either ignore large sections or find some sentence they can distort to show that We're Being Invaded By Foreigners Who Will Take Our Jobs And Homes While Sponging Off The Taxpayer At The Same Time Because They're So Evil And Foreign). Oh, hang on:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

570,000 own their own homes. If they all sold up to nice British people we'd get 'HOUSE PRICE CRASH' headlines, presumably.

'Figure for foreigners doesn't include British people shock'. Fancy that. Nice to know the Mail doesn't consider you properly British even if you've got British citizenship (like my Dad, for instance). Nasty, small minded paper.

I suspect the price of private flat rentals might be being kept up by it, too, so 'BRITISH LANDLORDS CHEER MIGRANT CASH BONANZA' would be another possible Mail headline. In a completely bizarre inverted world, of course.

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Oh ho ho ho...

Oy. Do you want to tell the thick Nazis that the Express is owned by a Jew, or shall I?

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:LOL::LOL:

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That'll only be possible when our shambolic government (you know the one which forecast half a dozen Polish plumbers would turn up here after the EU doors opened) comes out of its denial stage, gets to grips with reality and proves itself able to gather and collate accurate, reliable immigration and related information. Although sadly I won't be holding my breath on that one, I do have a vested interest since being married to a wonderful E. European, the last thing I want is everyone from that part of the world being labelled a scrounger.

Oh and by the way, the people who need to be convinced about all this are not Guardian reading Liberal do gooders but all those decent folk at the sharp end of things who struggle to survive and rightly or wrongly perceive they're being treated unfairly.

Re: What you won't read in the Mail, Express and Sun tomorrow
 

so u are xenophobic? can u people explain "decent folk at the sharp end of things " please?

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Hardly a xenophobe - by 'decent folk at the sharp end of things' I mean those who aren't scroungers just seeking to blame foreigners for their ills.

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And what type of person would you class as a scrounger?

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People who refuse to work when they could and who'd rather claim benefits would be one example.

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Yes i have to admit i am quite interested in your definition of "scrounger". Also without a link to something not connected with the media i will treat this the same way as i treat all media articles. Ah i see well according to the government no one refuses to work anymore or they lose their benefits.

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I'd say my definition of 'scroungers' tallies pretty well the the dictionary definition of the term.

Re: What you won't read in the Mail, Express and Sun tomorrow
 

You'd be surprised how many people classify me as a scrounger. If you hear it often enough you start to believe it too.

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Well not knowing you I wouldn't know why that might be, but as the parent of a disabled child who's married to a foreigner I come across quite a few bigoted idiots. C'est la vie I'm afraid..... :(

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I'm on disablity due to my sight problems. But as you say the views of some people is irritating.

Still, if anyone ever has a go at me in person now they usually feel my white stick on their shins now *by accident of course ;)*

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Sincere sympathies on that. We suffer similar with our child and yes it is very hurtful but something we just have to put up with. Yes the bigots do tend to stick in your mind for obvious reasons but it's important to remind yourself that most people are pretty fair minded.

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From personal experience I can inform you that most immigrant workers on low wages are entitled to, and do receive, Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit, and landlords (buy-to-let especially) milk the system by increasing rents.

Several Czech families I know pay only a tiny fraction of the rent/council tax... the rest is paid by the British Taxpayer.... thus it is mostly taxpayer's money that is lining the pockets of landlords and fuelling the spiralling house price market.

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Sympathies to you Jefferson i am on incapacity benefit and am routinely judged to be a scrounger. Thats the problem with a nice term like "scrounger" it can be used to attack whatever group you want i guess the wealthy could say anyone paying less then them is a "scrounger" doesn't make it so though does it.

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lol how about a white baseball bat?:D yes would agree sick people are a very easy target for idiots and governments and most people are fair minded, how do we define fairminded or who defines btw? lol :D

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The important thing is not so much the word used but the intent and context within with which it is used. If more people clarified the latter before drawing their conclusions we'd all be a lot happier :)

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I am going to twist this sorry :(

hundreds of thousands shame we got no figure but 1% of the population is around 600000 I think so if its under 600000 they have higher proportion of successful claims not to mention a typical wait for a council property is over 3 years so if they were on the same waiting list as everyone else it would be 0%.

Of course I am only speculating as I have no facts.

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The polish couple in the flat above me moved out on xmas day (thought was weird) we found out yesterday they owed powergen nearly £1300. Glad they gone tho they were very unsociable, bad neighbours very noisy etc.

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It wouldnt surprise me if the aim of the article is to try and shift into peoples minds the bulk of welfare costings is on ill and disabled people aka incapacity benefit claimants.