Madeleine McCann
 

This kind of story really P*$$e$ me off.:mad::grind:

WTF did they were thinking about.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/l...re/6623127.stm
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...264104,00.html

When my siser had her baby in Jan 2001 I had won a free holiday in May 01, it was a 6 berth caravan so we took them with us, one night we wanted to go for a meal. but with there daughter being so young they didn't want to take her to a noisy / smoke filed resturant. So my mum said hat she would baby sit. But I decided to stay and the my Mum, Dad, Sister & brother In-law go to the meal whilst I stayed behind. It was a scarifce I was prepared to make.

We have done this several times since even on holiday, and we would NEVER leave them in an accomadation while we had a meal, even if we could se the front door.

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Agreed,

no kids should be left on their own, no matter where they are, and especially in a foreign country.

Dispicable. I for one only feel sorry for the kid, but not the parents.

ik

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Jeesh

I wouldnt call 40yds alone, i really feel for the parents as should you all :(

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it was far enough away for her to be abducted or disapear without them seeing it so it was alone

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I think i'll wait before i judge on this, we all know how the media can hype things up. If however what they say is true, then i feel so sorry for the child to have parents who think she's an inconvenience.

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Agreed, being a parent means you have to make sacrifices. The unforntuate thing is that they have learnt the hard way.

Lets hope that Madeleine returns home safe and unharmed

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Madeleine's parents - both 46-year-old doctors - had been dining in a tapas restaurant a few hundred yards from the apartment and had been checking on the little girl and her younger brother and sister, two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, every half hour.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/engla...re/6626251.stm

Whether the parents were next door, 40 or 400 yards away, the kiddies should not have been left alone. I can imagine the havoc a certain four year old (my nephew) left alone for just five minutes could create never mind half an hour. I hope the little one turns up safe and sound but things like this never usually have a happy ending :(

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Either way, I blame the person that took her NOT the parents :(

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Sorry but how can you not blame the parents??

They where no were near the room where she was taken. they should have been inside the house, or just outside the house, not down the road jollying it up.

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I so hope you can sleep at night because i'm damn sure they cant, they will be blaming themselves and dont need others jumping on and blaming them.

BTW, so you dont blame the person/s that took her then ???

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Yes they are also to blame, but if there had been an adult in the house it would have been unlikely she would have been taken.

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Tell that to the parents who have had their children taken whilst they have been asleep or when they are taken from gardens because a parent has been distracted by the phone, you wouldn't blame them and I wonder who the courts will blame for the abduction

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well i wouldnt even leave my laptop alone that far away let alone my child

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the court in this country would blame the parents

its called Abandonment

( Section 1 of The CYP Act 1933. Abandonment of young children (i.e. under 5 years) where the child is exposed to danger. )


there is a big diference between a child sliping away or parent being distracted and deliberately leaving a child alone in a room that you wont be close enough to hear and see

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There's a difference between being distracted, and blatant irresponsibility - which is what these 'parents' (and I use the word loosely) have done.
I'm sure right now they are going through all kinds of hell, but seriously what kind of bunch of f**Kwits thinks it's ok to leave, not 1, but 3 kids, aged 3 and under, in a hotel room, on their own - whilst they go out.
I don't care if it's only a hundred yards away, it might as well be a hundred miles away - these are supposedly intelligent people - how could they even begin to think that it was ok? - oh no wait, they were going back to check every 30 minutes - that's alright then, because we all know that bad things only happen on the hour and half past the hour.

Putting this to one side for a moment, what if the kids had woken up with a nightmare? - 29 minutes, or however long, for small children that have had a nightmare and are scared - would seem like an age.

Kids are a lot of responsibilty, and they stop you doing a lot of things that you might enjoy doing, like going out in the evening for a nice meal - but that's life, if you don't want your life to be affected like that, don't have kids - if you want something you can leave in the evening, get a hamster.

I just hope she turns up safe and well

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Watching this on the news, it seems to me that abduction is not the only thing police are looking at.

It does seem strange that they took her who was apparently sleeping in the middle.

Did she have a bad dream and go and look for her parents (unlikely due to dame to window).

Are the parents responsible for her disappearence? Just because they are Drs doesn't mean they would harm her. (Look at Ian Huntley no one suspected him, OK I know its not the same but first impression can be deceiving)

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I love the compasion this place shows :rolleyes:

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i feel very sorry for the little girl

not for those who should know an awfull lot better

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Rather than place blame lets just pray the lass is ok, the whole family must be in pieces :(

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I couldn't begin to know how the parents must feel. I only hope the child is found OK. But in this sad, twisted, fu*ked up world, with so much sub-human crap waiting in the sidelines to steal kids, I fear the worst. I hope I`m wrong.

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Why when we read or hear anything in the news there is a rush to apportion blame?It's as if we become super human with no faults of our own and this in turn seems to imbue us with the right to be judge,jury and executioner. :(

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The person wouldnt have been able to if the parents were there

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I do pray for the child but imo the parents are negligent

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would you leave a 3 year old out of sight while you go out for dinner?? no 3 year old I know stays asleep all night imagine the distress if she woke after a bad dream and needed mummy or daddy??? no way no how should a 3 year old be left unattended under any circumstances.

Im sorry but im taking a hard line on this . It would not have happened if the parents were there that is beyond dispute

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I can be sorry for what happened but idiots are still idiots

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Just watched it on the news the resturant was round the corner the reporter says the parents could see and I quote "the corner" of the block and to make matters worse there was 2 younger children I think this is crazy I also quote the reporter " the parents took it in turns every half an hour to check on the them" well it does not take long does it for something this bad to happen maybe one of them should have not gone out for a meal eh and thought properly about the children. All compassion apart no one here can admit to me the parents had common sense . There are loads of things that can happen fire serious illness 30 minutes as proven here could mean the difference between life and death . I hope there is no parent on this forum practices this kind of thing I doubt anyone will come forward and say yes we do but if there are I hope they no longer do

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i cannot believe some of the highly judgemental/presumptuous comments about this poor little girl and her family, disgraceful!

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How are they presumptuous?

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Would you have left a 3 infants/toddler then? the news is clear they were left unmonitored for half hour stretches that is wrong wrong wrong

I am judging them as irresponsible negligent and just plain stupid

Whats disgraceful is that the parents left 3 children no older than 3 years alone while they went out for a meal

There is no sugar coating this the child could be dead (God I hope not of course) because the parents were not there to look after her no ifs no buts

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i can understand your rage zinglebarb but u were not there neither was i. i'm sorry but i think it would serve the purpose more along with the media if u directed your rage towards the alledged abducter and while we are on the subject of childrens welfare do u drive, tolerate the iraq war? lol i could go on.

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why the alledged abductor wouldnt have the chance if the parents were there . Yeah he is an animal but the parents should never have left them .I dont drive cuz I nearly killed someone in an accident and chose never to drive. And ive made my view on the innocents killed in the war a long time ago

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sorry to hear that zingle, i dont drive either, only when i hire. ;) btw as a parent i know what its like to bear the responsibilty of raising kids and the mistakes we all make in our lives.

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:confused: This guy makes it sound like a cat they're talking about!

I agree with others that they should never have been left alone. I work in a hotel and i see people on an evening coming down to the restaurant and have left their kids in the room alone, and that's in the same building and it really really winds me up.
I guess there's no point blaming the parents they've been punished enough and learnt the hard way.

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The "checking every half hour" statement seems to be changing.

BBC

"Madeleine, who turns four next Friday, was last seen by her father at about 2100 local time. When Mrs McCann went to check on her about an hour later, she found the bedroom's outside shutter and window had been opened and her daughter missing."
Whilst I can't begin to imagine the anguish the parents and family are going through (and I am a parent), and I hope to God that the little girl is found safe and sound, I do believe the parents were negligent in leaving three children under four years old unattended.

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Perhaps a holier than thou attitude has crept in here?

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I never left my infant or toddler daughter alone so im holier than those who have me thinks. You didnt answer my question Incog :)

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I think people should just stop with all the blaming and just concentrate on finding her.

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The BBC are now saying that they have identified a suspect, lets hope it all ends in tears of happiness and not sorrow.

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Im sorry but I do not know where to look

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Portugal hopefully they havnt taken her to north africa.

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Ok, I could have worded that a bit better.

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This isn't the first time something like this has happened. I just cannot understand how any responsible parent could leave youngsters like this alone. Children are NOT a fashion accessory, they should be nurtured and cared for properly.

We never abandoned our daughter when she was little.

I just hope that whoever abducted the poor child will love her and care for her better than her "parents" did.

When will parents learn their responsiblities?? How many more abductions does it take?

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Are you for real :rolleyes:

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The arguments about whose to blame will stop right now. I have never read such a pathetic and such judgemental thread before in all my life. :afire:

Preying that the girl is safe and returns to the family should come first. Forget blame, it's not going to bring back the girl.

Yes we should all have eyes in the back of head when it comes to having kids and we shouldn't leave them for more than a few minutes, but at the same time, it does not justify the fact that because some young kids might be on their own that some bloody sick and twisted individual then has every right to abduct a child.

There is a group of young kids playing at the bottom of our road right now, no adult with them, does that mean because no adult is about, some idiot can rightfully decide to just take one of them, as they won't get blamed for it, the parents or guardian will?

I'm sure the parents now know they should of been there, they would of been doing a lot of 'If I'd done this' - 'If I had of done that'. It's too late for *if's* the girl has vanished, she needs to be found now and lets hope she is but hey, some here want to kick the parents when they are already down in despair. Show some bloody compassion for crying out loud... :rolleyes:

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Quote from the BBC News website:

The Ocean Club resort offered a creche service but the couple decided to leave Madeleine and two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie sleeping in the apartment.

My heart goes out to everyone affected and the blame should go squarely on the shoulders of whoever abducted her and I hope they rot in hell but there is no excuse to leave the children alone.

Why didn't they take advantage of the creche service, did they want to save money so they could spend it on their meal?

You do not leave children of that age alone in another building even for 10 minutes let alone an hour (as the news suggests) end of story.

I just sincerely hope there is a happy ending to this and if there is, the parents should be charged with neglect.

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if they are 3 and under then they should be supervised and not playing in the street im sorry Mick you think this thread is wrong because people apportion blame but come on really a reasonable person just wouldn't would they? yeah whoever it was did is to blame but its not gotta be an abduction to be a tragedy what if there was a fire? what if the child falls or just gets scared cuz he/she wakes up alone its just wrong

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It's too late to go back over what should of happened, they don't need any of you lot to tell them what they should of been doing. They know this and have unfortunately now payed a price - hence why I have said, starting to point fingers *already*, isn't going to bring the girl back.

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They are gonna be to busy to be reading this forum. Some people think its ok to do this with there children this thread could save another childs life who know some one reading this may never leave there kids in similar circumstances.

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I never left my kids alone until they were 13. Pathetic parents. They should be jailed.

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Nope, you cannot swipe under the carpet, the price is jail. I do not know the Portuguese law, but I will be surprised that a civilized nation wouldn't putthose two idiots into jail ...of course our thoughts are with the kid but those two morons should be jailed...

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Well I'm so glad you are not in control of the justice system with coming out with such a ridiculous and moronic suggestion.

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What utter tripe you spout. I pity your poor kids, how on earth they ever learned any independance with you watching them until they were teenages is a mystery to me.

It's amazing how many 'perfect' parents suddenly emerge from the woodwork in threads like this, I'm sure you have all never put a foot wrong. :dozey:

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he ruined a good arguement with his extreme view.
two 2 years olds and a 3 year old is a tad different to teenagers I cant see anyone here saying its ok to leave them (edited cuz it didnt make sense)

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There shouldn't even be an arguement - this is the whole point - A girl is missing and all some can do is argue whose to blame, its wrong, no infact its disgusting. :mad:

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am I still entitled to my opinion? cuz I think the fact a 3 year old and two 2 year olds were left alone disgusting.

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here is a snippit of british law (scroll down the page) although there is no law about the minimum age there is an offence when the child is at risk . There are guidelines I may well be assuming but on the face of it these parents have broken British law. Just because the child is missing does not change that normally the membership would be down like a ton of bricks on anyone breaking the law involving children why is this case different? http://www.rospa.com/safetyeducation/faqs.htm

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OK, drag them out to the HANGING tree :rolleyes:
Lock the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I would say "all" as in every parent here has lost sight of there children at sometime, if you say you have not then it bulldung.

Perverts take that moment to snatch kids, so if it was yours and you turned your back would it be your fault ?

Please dont come up with the "its different" ribbish

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I do not think it is rubbish so on that point we have to disagree.Please inform me how if you lose sight of a child for second is the same as making the desision not to leave the child in creche instead leave them unattended alone in a building. Tell me which one of us is talking the dung here

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Marky, my heart goes out to the parents, who must be going through hell at the moment, but it is completely different, no matter what you say, between losing sight of your child/children for a few moments, or letting them play in the garden, and leaving them unattended for nearly an hour a couple of hundred yards away. The equivalent would be leaving three children under 3 unattended in a playground for an hour, out of your sight - I think that most people would find that scenario "wrong".

But as I said before, we have all got to hope the child is found safe and returned to her parents - that is the most important thing.

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So what we are saying is its the parents fault that a sick perve stole there child.
Doesnt add up sorry :rolleyes:

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No the sick perve is the one to blame but the parents should not have left such young children alone would you? have you?

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Mine play out, the youngest is 8
So i would be to blame if someone snatched him ?

And yes, sometimes they was in bed and we would be in the garden.

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lol I find it bazaar you comparing these thing 8 and 3 hmmm similar did you read the link I posted>? see the bit about levels of maturity? you honestly think a 3 year is mature enough to be left with two 2 years olds really ??? im getting the impression im being seen as the bad guy for voicing my opinions on this subject and from my point of view that is just crazy mad

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I'm with you Zingle. And I can see (like some can't) that you are not trying to apportion blame. The abductor IS the one to blame for taking the wee lass. No-one would dispute that.
However, show me a parent that is prepared to leave their three infants alone while they dine away from the building, and I'll show you an irresponsible parent.
That said, my heart goes out to them - they made a mistake. They've had 3 kids who they've taken away on a family holiday. Clear to see they're loving and caring parents. They just dropped the ball, foolishly thinking they'd be safe.
THAT was irresponsible. No denying it. But, they've paid the ultimate price - no-one more than them wishes they'd not thought they'd be safe.

Call me a liar, anyone - I don't care. My 2 year old NEVER, EVER leaves my sight.
I'm just too damn scared to let her.

I'm sure Madeleine and her parents are in all our thoughts and prayers anyway.
I hope to God she returns unhurt, and soon.
Absolutely heartbreaking.

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Nicely put kryogenik, totally agree and you to Zingle :tu:

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I agree, well put kryogenik and Zingle.

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one thing is for certain, if it wasnt that child it would have been another child, this is the whole miserable situation! children have been abducted/gone missing right under parents noses in the past regardless of age. :(

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:tu:

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it is every parents duty to do the very best you can to protect your child if something happens and you know you have done your best it will not be your fault if you do take risks and lets face facts here they took the risk if the worst happens how will they live with themselves everyday with be a living hell. There is never a good enough reason to risk the most important things in your lives what excuse can there be?

I want a happy ending to this same as everyone else . There is a message here it could save childrens lives

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I give up, i really do, it seems that people have allready decided its all the parents fault and one even hopes she has a better life with the people that took her :(

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you cant focus on that one persons point to nullify my point for a start. Are you really saying its ok or what come straight out with it do you think its on to leave a 3 year old in these circumstances yes or no

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I think it is clear that the parents are at fault.
If any parents here would have done the same thing in the same circumstances, please step up and say so.
I hope they find the girl unharmed soon.

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IT IS NOT THE PARENTS FAULT
Get a life :mad:

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I said at fault.

Which means should take some of the blame.

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They was wrong to leave the children alone they could have hurt themselves and nobody there to help, but they can no way be blamed for the abduction of there child.

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So you are saying they were wrong to leave the children alone in case they hurt themselves, good we agree on that. The fact they were not there allowed the child to be abducted.

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Dont twist things, they did NOT allow there child to be snatched, tell me where you live and i'll get someone to rob you, , then it will be your fault for not being there :rolleyes:

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I can't read the past five posts, but it really wasn't good enough to leave the kids alone when there were facilities available. It was very irresponsible, even if I do feel sorry for the family.

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Oh dear. I have to leave my house on occasion, but I do make sure it is locked and alarm set. Are you saying that a few personal belongings have the same level of value as a childs life?
These parents have no excuse to leave their kids unattended.

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hmm try leaving your car unatended with the keys in and then try and claim on insurance for its loss

parents have a duty of care becuse things can happen if you are not there or at least in the near vicinity to your children to protect them

the one every one should be worrying about defending at the moment is the child and her siblings

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I think i'll leave this thread, to many armchair critics with pitchforks :(

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No pitchfork here.
Not asking for the parents to be lynched.
Just saying that the parents where wrong.

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OK. My thoughts.

Yes, I believe that the parents were wrong to leave the children on their own. Whether they were 40 yards away or 400, it makes no difference. My parents wouldn't have left me in a strange hotel on my own in the room. Yes, they would have done it at home, but at home, you have access, and maybe give keys to friends or family, but that's it. In a hotel, anyone of a number of people have access to your room, and you don't know them.

However, as Mick said, saying that, and criticising the parents does not actually help to bring the child back.

They may have made a mistake, but they are suffering for it now. I, for one, feel sorry for them, and don't think that anyone (least of all them) deserves to go through what they are going through.

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I agree but what someone says on this forum isnt gonna make a difference to them However being allowed to freely voice the opinions might get it through to someone who may well consider it ok to leave their kids and may well change there attitude that then would surely be a positive

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Now if they had actually left the children and disappeared to a nightclub and rolled in at 5 in the morning I would be as judgemental..however in the circumstances of this case I think they were far more responsible than they are being given credit for.

The facts are the apartment was locked,the windows were shut and the flat was in sight of the parents at all times.Someone jimmied the window open and then left the door wide open.Someone went to a deal of trouble just to get that one particular child.That's the real sh*t in this case not the parents.

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I'm sorry? far more responsible than they are being given credit for? - There are a lot of threads on here, that I will not come into and make a statement along the lines of 'I will never.....' - but this is one I can most definetly make - I will never, ever, leave my son of under 3, in a locked room, on his own - whilst I pop out for a spot of dinner - I don't want to be rude, but how can you type that with a straight face? - far more responsible? - it's like saying someone who only nails one of their testicles to a plank of wood, is far more responsible than someone who nails both of them to a plank of wood - technically speaking they are, but....

Which part of the apartment was in view the whole time? - obviously not the window or the front door

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I'm quoting from the reporter on the BBC 24/7 news report who was stood at the scene.I can only rely on her testimony which I have to assume is the truth...:shrug:

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Appreciate that's not your quote - bound to be conflicting reports at this stage, but now this has come to light:


Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...6/nmaddy06.xml

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I take it you are foaming at the mouth and loving every moment posting that :rolleyes:
I'm off to bed, my kids are up there somewere i think

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I take no joy from the fact that their child was taken.
What they did was foolish to say the least.
I ask once again would any parent here do the same in the same circumstances.

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http://mlis.state.md.us/cgi-win/web_....exe?gfl&5-801

Every civilized country has such law, the fact that you are ignoramus does not change the reality. Above an example!

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What a lot of rubbish! Did I say watcH?

Have you seen lots of independent 3 year olds?

See what I said to Mick.

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Apologies, Zingle, but it is the Law in many, many Western countries.

and in the Sunday Times somebody says:

"I don't know about the law in Portugal but in the UK I believe parents would be liable to criminal prosecution for leaving children alone in this way."

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The reporter I seen said they could se eth e corner of the block. How woudl the kids have got out of a locked apartment if there was a fire Incog? so on the other hand and im afraid yes I am being judgemental 3 defenseles children were left alone locked in an apartment. Sounds bad that way to me???

Did no one actually bother to read the link I posted?

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this information is available at the nspcc bupa and rospa. Please digest the highlighted guidelines then tell me if these simple common sense instructions were followed and answer this.
Q.Would a 3 year now be missing if they had.
A. No
Q Did the parents act responsably
A No

Any dispute in these answers please give proper reasons and not emotional ones

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:tu: I was just about to post the same link. (Sorry, I missed it)

Furthermore, according to my neighbour (he is a judge) the Children And Young Persons Act 1933, parents can be prosecuted for neglect if they leave a child alone "in a manner likely to cause unnecessary suffering or injury to health", but there's nothing in the legislation more specific than that. No minimum age to leave a child unattended, and no minimum age at which older kids can look after younger ones either. His wife (a lawyer) said because the hotel was an unknown territory for the kids, then at least the 3 year old was very likely to "unnecessary suffer". Both agree that the parents are guilty under the UK Law.

We are up early to organize out joint BBQ party, so I better get on with it...

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Whoever took this child planned it carefully and must surely have been watching how the parents were minding their children as they only took the 3yo which worries me most of all as I would imagine babies are more in demand for childless couples. :disturbd: The nightmare this family is now going through is unimaginable and all many people want to do is deny the babies their natural parents too by packing them off to jail! :mis:

I am hoping the family are reunited soon and nothing abhorrent has happened to the poor child in the meantime (this has surely been a lesson these parents will never ever forget and will change their whole attitude towards their children and probably not in the long term necessarily a healthy way). :sorry:

As for 3yo never sleeping through the night both mine did (one I would have trouble waking in the late evening let alone the wee small hours) :erm:

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I see some people are still coming out and pointing the finger at the parents - some of you really are totally pathetic. There is too many people here with a 'Serves them right' attitude and its completely inappropriate given the fact that the girl is still missing.

But there are some here who appear more bothered about whose to blame than the girl being found. :rolleyes:

They don't need ignorant and obnoxious people like some of you saying they was in the wrong and they need to go to jail, they don't need people coming out with extracts from law books or guidelines from the NSPCC - they need their little girl back and I am sure they know what they did at the time, was wrong and I am sure they would take any punishment coming to them, just to get their girl back, but as each day passes, they are going through hell, noones deserves to be put through that no matter what the circumstances are or whose to blame.

I'll say it again - pointing the blame will not get this girl back.

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Its obvious to me that a lot of posts here are coming from people who dont want to be seen to be judgemental they want to be seen as compassionate. When I first saw the video of the little girl playing and heard what had happened I cried I felt and still do feel compassion for the child but what went through my head in them first few instants were WTF were they doing leaving the children alone. Feeling thinking or voicing that opinion does not make me a bad person it does not make me dis compassionate. I cant believe the impressions ive got from some of the posts on this forum in reply to what ive said and at one point I thought I was gonna get gagged by those in power here for my view. I do not blame the parents for the abduction there is only the guilty to blame for that but I do blame these educated people for the lack of thought and imo irresponsable behaviour that gave the opportunity . Is anyone seriously here prepared to debate that leaving 3 young children with no way of looking after themselves alone is there?????

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So your now judging me??? nice to know what you think of me mate(btw isnt calling someone ignorant and obnoxious against the sites T&C)
How can anyone on this forum help bring the child back?

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I just hope the local police are out looking for someone who has lost a 3yo child due to illness recently, kidnappers or known paedophiles.

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The McCann's will have plenty of time to repent the folly of leaving their children unattended. They made a mistake, in that they were naive to think their offspring would be safe, they took a chance, now they are paying a terrible price. I hope and pray that Maddy is alive and well, and is returned unharmed to her family very soon. The poor little mite must be breaking her heart for her Mummy and Daddy. Heartbreaking time for all.

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I`ve been following this on Sky News, I thought to myself that this seems abit fishy.

The details that are being published are sketchy to say the least :rolleyes: That to me tells me that theres more to it.....

As a father of 5, I would never ever leave our children on there own, my Eldest is 12 and I never leave her, she has her own key if she comes home from School and we aren`t at home but very rarely has she had to use it.

I have to agree with Zing, if the parents were looking after the children at the time (Which they should of done especially with all children under 3, bloody disgusting) then the crime wouldn`t of happened in the 1st place!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

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how u so sure??

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I read on another forum that when the mother seen she had gone she shouted 'they've taken her'. Sounds dodgy, who's 'they'? I think there's more to this...

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well theres a good chance wouldnt you say?

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I have to say I thought this sounded fishy when I read it in the papers yesterday. I hope this hasn't been arranged to look like an abduction by the parents.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/child/stor...676508,00.html parents were in the house child was found in the street after being abducted from bathroom. again the parents are not to blame as in the "bulger" case.

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Precisely - at least you can present this in a respectful way, others have been too disrespectful and too quick to judge and send the parents off to jail. No ounce of compassion shown by some, by the fact that the girl is still missing, some want to still blame, but blame won't bring her back.

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and not blaming wont either

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If you say so. :rolleyes: