Judge releases child killers
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7143248.stm

:confused:

Let's just hope the judges 'reasons' don't include going soft on this sort of thing!

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I bet the parents of these young criminal offspring are now devising christmas plans, now that they have conveniently been released 12 days before Christmas, has a corny ring to it doesn't it?

Sad state of affairs, lets all take pot shots at this stupid QC, who quite frankly needs to remove himself from office with immediate effect but then again its becoming the norm around these parts where doing the crime, doesn't necessarily get you the time.

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Hmm. It was always a faintly dodgy case for manslaughter.

Raistlin, do you want a quick lecture on what QCs are for in an adversarial justice system? No, thought not. Do you want to wait for the judge's legal opinion* before passing us your thoughts? No, thought not. Do you want to wait for the outcome of the violent disorder charge? No, thought not.

* Which may well not agree with the part of Mr. Wall's legal argument the BBC have reported, we don't know.

In other legal quashing news, Robert Morgan had his 2 manslaughter convictions overturned, but for some reason that didn't get people outraged on here.

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Rubbish - it was clear cut and they were convicted of the crime. Trial by jury.

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I am not a lawyer or anything legal but my understanding of manslaughter has always been it applies where actions taken by someone whether intentional or not result in the death of someone. These little (don't want to get told off for bad language) brats stoned this man and caused his death so they damn well should be charged for manslaughter. I cannot believe anyone can not see that or in anyway defend this. While i know some on here see most things as a media conspiracy there is actually a problem in this country and we need to get it sorted out quickly before it gets bigger. This man's family will be having a xmas this year without him because of these kids lets think a little more about victims shall we i know it's not the done thing anymore but lets start a trend.

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Keep them in prison............................................ ......at least 20 years

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There was me thinking that that was an on topic post and as such abides by the forum rules.

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Now I'm not really up to speed on the English legal system but Manslaughter seems to be defined as:

So based on that I'd say killing someone as a result of throwing stones at them and hitting them (covers the 'some physical harm' section) covers all the bases for manslaughter.
I think the jury came to the same conclusion.

Still I'm not surprised considering under Scottish law people can get stabbed several times and their head jumped up and down on and the courts still accept their death wasn't intentional.

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To be fair, when I went to school in Govan, that was being friendly......;)

If they decided they didn't like, it got serious.

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Sorry to say it mate, But you`re talking complete *****!
If someone attacks some innocent party and they die, whether they intended them to die or not, They are guilty at the very least of manslaughter, if not murder.
How can you post such crap.
Are you a social worker by any chance? Or just another "Bleeding Heart" do gooder.

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The CF team will decide what abides by the rules. None of your post was on topic, and I've removed the second half. I've left the first bit simply so I can quote it for this reply.

JFYI, Mods & Admins are perfectly entitled to post their views as well, and Micks post was about the topic as well as responding to another member. If you feel a post is breaking a rule then we have a nifty little feature called "Report Post" - please use that in future.

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Was the act of throwing the stones proved conclusivily to lead to the mans manslaughter ? If yes then convicition secured. If not, as would appear to be the case it cannot be proven then how can the conviction be upheld ?

Trial by jury does not guarantee a sound conviction, if it did there would not be so many miscarriages of justice would it ?

The release of these 'killers' appears to depend nothing more on a legal technicality

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

"...tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime...."

Yeah right!

:rolleyes:

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More like

WEAK on Crime TOUGH on the victims of crime. :mad:

Labour are as much use as a lighthouse in the desert

[Admin Edit: Swearing in posts is not permitted]

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Quote:
Sentencing the boys, Judge McKinnon said: "I simply express the hope that what has happened to you, that you have had to serve two months of the original sentence, has benefited you."
Then they probably got a couple of quad bikes for christmas, or mini motos ,as a thank you for being such upright pillars of the comunity

---------- Post added at 17:04 ---------- Previous post was at 16:58 ----------

[QUOTE=Sirius;34469263]More like

WEAK on Crime TOUGH on the victims of crime. :mad:

Labour are as much use as a lighthouse in the desert



never heard of the ship of the desert then ;)

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Don't blame the judge, as (from the Mail) -
"But last month the Court of Appeal quashed the manslaughter convictions.
They again appeared before Judge Warwick McKinnon, but this time at Croydon Crown Court where they were given the supervision orders....
....the boys were given 12-month supervision orders for violent disorder."
They were being sentenced for the violent disorder crimes - he was probably following the Government's guidelines, which is all he is allowed to do (otherwise another appeal happens).

As the DI in charge of the case said "That is in no way a criticism of the judge, that's a criticism of the law that doesn't allow a stiffer sentence."

We should be angry at the lawyers, who put the case that (again from the Mail) - "Lawyers said the conviction for manslaughter was not safe, arguing that Mr Norton's death could not be laid at the boys' door because the pensioner had a heart condition – he had a triple bypass in 1977."

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Of course it wasn't safe - his death was clearly just a co-incidence and nothing whatsoever to do with being attacked, verbally abused and stoned by a mob of thugs..... :rolleyes:

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Best thing now is to send the *******s on a holiday or two. Then sit down with them and see how much security at taxpayers expense they need, A change of name and new housing, Jobs, Life. Then maybe in future people will think twice about allowing themselves to be stoned to death. :rolleyes:

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Yes come to think of it I reckon the victim was to blame for it all and these respectful children should be compensated for their hideous ordeal. I mean what sort of decent, self respecting person would have the audacity to go out with his son for a highly provocative game of cricket in the local park and then spoil all these poor kids ballistic fun by having a fatal heart attack for no good reason!!! Tut, tut, tut .... the older generation eh ..... what is the world coming to????

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Be careful you might be accused of reading non do gooder newspapers next for making statements like that :D

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Isn't it nice to see a recursive closed-cycle paradigm reinforcement discussion? ;)

Bless.......

btw, I think it's wrong that these kids got away with what they did - but blame the lawyers who used the system, not the judge who had to follow the rules (imho).

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May I suggest Gaza as a destination?
Perhaps offer them some trendy headgear?

http://www.emitz.com/gallery2/d/31-2...armulkes-l.jpg


My sympathies go with the members of the victim's family, and the judge for having to give the sentence he did.
How awful must it be to be in a position of passing punishment but being forced to give a slap on the wrist, especially when you sentenced them to a harsher punishment only a few months earlier.
I'd be spitting nails with fury at the government.

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You can bless who you want.

I stand by my words. They have been let off MURDER. And its because the Do Gooder types have got there way AGAIN

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Murder requires intent to kill.
Manslaughter yes, as per the original conviction, and yes, like I'm sure the judge views it, they've been let off for causing the death of someone.

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Nothing to do with "do-gooders", all to do with lawyers using the system (imho).

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Interesting fact No. 63599(b) from "Mr Angry's book of interesting facts".

If you take away all the letters from the word "Lawyers" and replace them with different letters and jumble them up it spells "Do-gooders". Fact!

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Don't you have to add some letters, or do they magically appear from a parallel multiverse?

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One and the same when they get someone who in my opinion committed MURDER off with a hand slap. There are too many people getting off because the law has been turned into a joke by those that think nobody should be punished because the person who committed a crime might have had a bad childhood. People who have been involved in the taking of a life should be dealt with not let off with a hand slap.

You can wrap it all you want in your legal get outs but they were involved in the taking of a life and should as we dont have a death sentance be sent down for LIFE. But hey thanks to the lawyers even life only means 5 years in some cases :(

I ask a simple question

Would that man be dead now of a heart attack if those *******s had not attacked him.

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Wow you have a very high opinion of lawyers if you think they defend their clients because they don't think they deserve to be punished!
Most people think lawyers do it for the money, but you obviously think they have higher ideals than that.

It's metaphysical/metaphorical spelling, remember that Sherrif who demonstrated it?
Its how people can get Muslim to spell Terrorist, and how people can get paediatrician to spell paedophile.
It normally takes a special level of intelligence to get to grips with, that baffles most people like you and I.

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Good dig. Who helped you ?

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An american sheriff and other people who have that special level of intelligence.
Without them, it wouldn't have been possible.

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I don't believe so, and I also don't think the assailants were appropriately punished, as I stated in an earlier post (#24)
"btw, I think it's wrong that these kids got away with what they did"