Whats wrong with Vista?
 

I don't understand the stick that Vista gets. To me it seems a really good OS that has a lot going for it, admittedly its just a more polished version of XP AND they didnt deliver everything they intended but it works a treat and if im being honest, i've only ever seen a blue screen of death once in over a year of use (due to dodgy Nokia mobile phone drivers not vista).

People harp on about UAC, but once Vista is installed and all your apps are on you almost never see it and its a great extra layer of security. Tip:- turn it off, install your apps, turn it on, IF it bothers you that much.

So what is it that gets your goat about Vista, from where im sitting, i've been running the 64bit version (arguably the more difficult version of Vista due to it's signed driver requirements) since release, everything works, it looks lovely, its fast and it give me no jip.

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The better question would be

Whats right with it.

Specs

amd 5400 x2 processor
3 gig of ddr2 800 ram in duel channel mode
2 300 gig sata drives.
2 ati 1950 gpu
Creative labs Xfi sound card.

All tested and working.

Runs like crap on Vista ultimate

Runs superb on XP, Linux, windows media centre, and server 2003. It never crashes or blue screens on these Os's

So why does it run like a dog on Vista, Why does it blue screen on vista, Why does stuff that worked fine on XP not work on vista. The list goes on. Oh and BTW i have tried 32 and 64 bit versions of vista there both CRAP.

BTW i have worked on Software and Hardware both as a hobby and as a job. I know how to install and configure a pc, I know how to fault find on Software and hardware, I design and install High Speed data networks for Large company's, So i don't think its me. I just cannot wait for Microsoft to fix Vista as it looks very good. Hopefully that MIGHT happen with SP1 but i am not holding my breath on it.

I think Microsoft have done another Windows ME :mad:

The best bit is i have a amd 2300 with 1 gig of ram and a Nvidia 5200 gpu that can run XP better and faster than Vista run's on my main machine :LOL:.

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Works fine here on the following....
Intel c2d e6420
p965 chipset
1.5GB RAM DDR800 (generic)
250GB sata II drive
Geforce 7950GS
Onboard sound

Not only does it work fine but it works considderably faster than XP did on the same system. I have found that Vista basic on my single core laptop only just works ok, it used to be horrific when I only had 512MB but now ive got 2GB its better, though if I'm honest I think dual core should be a requirement for vista. Unless Im wrong and its just my laptop that suffers?

By the way how do you get 3GB in dual channel? Sureley thats 3 1GB sticks in single channel? I thought you needed pairs of sticks to run dual channel?

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Funny all the same applies to me and I run Vista 64 ultimate just fine and my 11 year old who does not work in IT run 32 bit HP fine on her x2 4200

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Yes you are correct on the memory i should have said 2 gig dual however i have just upgraded to 3 gig which at the moment has put me back to single channel. I have run Vista on another machine as well and i saw a marked speed reduction on that machine as well i also have bench marks somewhere that showed the marked reduction in speed from Xp to vista. I have a few machines here at the moment and the linux machine running Ubuntu is the one i prefer to do my general surfing on due to its speed.

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Now now mister Zingle :LOL:

Might have to reconsider sending you any more work :LOL:

By the way i already have a nice flame proof suit so carry on all you want.

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I was just saying lol chances are the problem you have will be driver related perhaps not properly supported by your mainboard. Ive been lucky with my hardware. I wasnt flaming just saying ;) Bethia actually does cope quite well with it lol

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You could be right on the drivers however for a operating system that has supposed to have been tested more than any other it well grips me that i have such a hard time from it, When other Os's run smooth :).

The OP asked was gripes people so i said what gripes me about Vista. :). I understand it can run fine for some, But it can also run crap for others, Just like VM's broadband. :LOL:

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Fairy snuff Im just lucky :)

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:LOL:

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I have Vista home premium and have had no problems with it.

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I've tried it on much higher specs than his (intels new true quad core) 8gb ddr2, 5x500gb raid, 8800gtx.

And it ran like crap.

That's with search indexer switched off, as with system restore and half the other crap bloat that comes with vista.

switch aero off to decide if vista is faster, you soon notice its not. (its "basic" interface is clumsy, messy, ugly, and slow) and aero is seriously no good if your multitasking, gets annoying.

Apps take alot longer to install on vista.

P.S Anyone with an nvidia chipset, really, its not worth even going near vista, their drivers are WAAAAAAY below sub-par, giving you a very bad experience.
Apps run slower on vista.

Its Buggy.

/End rant

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I think vista is great,never had a problem with it.

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Have you checked the Vista Performance and Reliability Tools that are built in to vista?.
There are a huge number of monitoring options to find out what is causing the problems.

Start > Control Panel > System and Maintenance > Performance Information and Tools

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There are issues with vista but I think most of the bad feeling is disappointment it isn't as huge an improvement as people expected. Windows has a lot of compatibility baggage which is starting to show when you compare it to conceptually newer OS's like MAC.

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The only problem I have is the Forceware drivers. They say Vista ready on the Nvidia site, I done a full format, installed the nForce 4 drivers then the latest display driver and the bloody thing didnt want to know after a reboot. Kept moaning my display drivers were fubard.

Went back to XP after that... much better os imho.

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Nothing whatsover......as long as i dont have to actually install it again.:)
I cant give any expert valuations but i`ve probably given both Windows & Linux a more equal opportunity than most who have ever tried alternative OS`s.

I had only a few months using Windows(a pc) before discovering Linux last year and although i`ve used Linux exclusively since then i still seem to spend quite a bit of time in other peoples Windows.3 alone this week with an unmountable_boot_volume on one,a ntldr missing or corrupt on another & a winsock problem on the third.
All fixed thankfully but enough to also remind me why i was so darned lucky stumbling across this thing called Ubuntu when i did.:)

I messed about with Vista for a couple of months and had it on another machine as part of a dualboot...then mutilboot,just to see what might have been.Nothing quite as signature worthy as the machines mentioned of course(1.8Ghz,512Mb).
I just cant see any reasons why i would ever want to use Vista over Ubuntu, although we do have an XP install around.
It`s handy when calling Virgin ts if not much else.

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hmm I have vista 64 on my media PC and xp on this laptop.

what do i honestly think of vista? well i paid 60 for an OEM version, so i dont have to justify a stupidly large outlay.

I think its ok though. If your have a desktop machine with ok specs, it should run just fine. I have a q6600 and 2gb of ram and it is pretty fast.

I think part of the problem is the reputation it built up in the early days, rightly so. The driver issue, specially for vista64 is still pretty hit and miss. Canon, for example, provide scanner drives for some of their scanners, but not all for 64bit! So luckily I have this laptop to scan or 70 quid would be useless...

I think it was released with far too many bugs and driver issues and maybe also a little over the average spec a year ago. I think it will probably get a better reputation over some time though as driver issues become non existent and computer specs increase for the same relative price. I would, however, never ever put it on a laptop as currently (and for the foreseeable) there is just no point.

I find it more like XP+ with its graphical overlay and small changes. I dont think its worth upgrading for, but if you need to get an OEM copy, vista would be the one I would chose :)

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It all works fine for me, I've had no problems yet and I've only used it on a cheapish laptop which is for my birthday. This is the specs so for it and all I've noticed is that it needs a memory upgrade.

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I've got Vista Ultimate 64 running on one machine, it's fantastic, had never crashed, don't have any driver issues and I've yet to find anything that won't run.

I've got Vista Business on my work machine which get's hammered all day, every day and that's solid too and much easier to work with than XP

I've also got Vista HP on a seriously crappy laptop (Athlon XP, 1.8ghz, 512mb ram) and it's more useable than the XP Pro it replaced.

I don't think luck comes into it either, most of the problems with Vista are caused by third party drivers, which to be fair, are the hardware manufacturers fault, not Vistas/Microsofts.

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My experiences of vista? Generally good. I've run it on various machines (I am part of a group evaluating it at work) ranging from 2Ghz p4s up to 3.6 Ghz P4s, and various Core based machines. The only machine it has issues with is my machine at home, but as far as I can work out, that is due to a combination of my graphics card (Geforce 8800GT) and monitor (Viewsonic vx2025wm). Basically, the issue is that with any version of the Nvidia drivers > 100, the Graphics card won't output via DVI to that monitor (it outputs to my 17inch Samsung LCD fine though, and will work with the Viewsonic via VGA).

Unlike Ubuntu, which won't even start on my core 2 at home.

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I have a strange problem with vista .After a while I can't use dvd shrink any more it just locks the pc up. HD ligh comes on all the time. Even if I uninstall it reinstall it. Do a system restore it just won't work. There is one way to get it to work again and thats to do a Shark hard format.:(

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Its is not so much Vista does not work but when you compare to the previous O/S, then you start to see how it does not live up to the expectations. If you take away the eye candy which most businesses would not use, the hardware requirement is higher in all cases then the current PC's hanging about most companies.

Copying from one Medium to another (DVD to HD, HD-> HD etc ) is much slower for some reason then either XP or Linux. Copying across the Network again is very slow by a big factor - both of these will be addressed in SP1 so they say.

The UAC is annoying and I cannot understand why it has to Darken the screen on order to pop up a box to ask the question - this alone will not stop people running things they maybe should not have, as they will just click OK anyhow.

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I Love Vista! Its Sound!

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I know its OT but Just out of interest why wont your ubuntu start on your core 2? Im having some wierd SATA issue and I cant get it going on mine, was just wondering if your having the same problem.

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I suspect it's that same thing. Only have one PATA port on my system, so all the HDDs are SATA. Spent three hours on it on Tuesday.

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Are you using a p965 intel board? and/or a SATA DVDROM?

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Slowcoach shakes head and wonders? :dozey:

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Reasons I don't like Vista:

- DirectSound was removed, which means Creative are being their usual money-hungry sods and charging Audigy users for Alchemy that fails to work even with Half-Life 1.

- MIDI support was practically torn out. There's absolutely no control panel to control even the MIDI output. Luckily someone has brought out a program that edits the registry, so this isn't a big case any more.

- Drivers. nVidia, as far as I am aware, still haven't fixed their Vista driver. This is hate towards nVidia because there's a thread with over 100 pages that goes on about the driver constantly crashing 3D apps (even Aero!) and then Vista having to restart it (the usual "The driver (nvidia's driver here) stopped responding and has been restarted".

They're the reasons I don't like Vista and why I'm still on XP x64 :)

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So your gripes are mostly to do with 3rd party providers and not Microsoft?

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Removing MIDI support is MS's fault, same as DirectSound. Don't fix what isn't broken ;)