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TobyLee 12-10-2007 19:20

ADSL24 - this is the life
 
So I migrated today after 12 days of shockingly poor speeds and service and the difference is amazing.

I can play online games again, pings are >20 instead of 220, I've been downloading the Unreal Tournament 3 demo at a steady 500kb/s, instead of the 10kb/s I was getting on Virgin at "peak times". Thats strange because I was told that all networks have the speed problems at peak times.

This time yesterday it was struggling to stream youtube videos, now today, I hvae no problems.

The problem clearly is with VM, so anyone sick of your crap service, do what I did and get out as soon as you can.
:mad:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/28.png

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/29.png

Sure you might say speed tests arent reliable but how is it most people on VM are getting the speeds like in the top picture?

But I'm happy with my service now, so seeya later!

Mick Fisher 12-10-2007 19:38

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Hi TobyLee
Glad to hear you are happy with your new provider.
The last time I dipped my toe into ADSL ( albeit with the infamous V21 ) I found my connection was fine for the first few days maybe even weeks (it was a while ago), there after getting slower and slower until grinding to an unusable status after a short while.
V21 were migrating all their customers from BT to Telefonica at the time but I was (supposed) to be on BT IPstream(?) so shouldn't have been affected.
Anyway please let us know how your new provider's connection is faring as time progresses say after a week or two.
If it's not too much trouble, and as a matter of interest, what sort of speeds are you getting with your new provider for single threaded downloads from sites in the US.

Sirius 12-10-2007 19:40

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Yes truly truly awful speeds for a Friday night. :rolleyes:

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But on a none sarcastic note glad your happy. If i leave VM i would go to Be unlimited. :tu:

Hugh 12-10-2007 19:46

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Toby, I am pleased that you are happy with your provider.

So am I, on my 4Mb on a Friday night.
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zing_deleted 12-10-2007 19:54

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and me

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goldoni 12-10-2007 20:03

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
NOT ME A LITTLE HACKED OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Beat this for a 20Mbps connection

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/17.png

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :D

Sirius 12-10-2007 20:03

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34413608)

So when are you leaving for adsl with speeds like that. I would be demanding compo as well :D :angel:

scottyboydfc 12-10-2007 20:15

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/24.png

:D:D

slowcoach 12-10-2007 21:58

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Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:56:28 GMT

Test 1: 1024K took 450 ms = 2275.6 KB/sec, approx 18751 Kbps, 18.31 Mbps
Test 2: 1024K took 433 ms = 2364.9 KB/sec, approx 19487 Kbps, 19.03 Mbps
Test 3: 1024K took 425 ms = 2409.4 KB/sec, approx 19853 Kbps, 19.39 Mbps
Test 4: 2048K took 891 ms = 2298.5 KB/sec, approx 18940 Kbps, 18.5 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 19258 Kbps, 18.81 Mbps

Proves that everyone is down the pub. :p:

Hugh 12-10-2007 22:27

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Except us saddos........:p:

TobyLee 12-10-2007 23:29

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
I forgot to add this was Virgin Media ADSL not cable, unfortunately my area doesn't have cable yet so I had to go with ADSL.

Obviously it's ADSL that has more of the problems and not cable.

As for downloading speeds, I downloaded the UT3 demo at around 400-500kb/s, the Call Of Duty 4 demo 500-700kb/s and I've just finished downloading the Ratchet and Clank demo which I estimated it was downloading at round the same speeds.

dragon 12-10-2007 23:58

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Speedtest.net needs an update to detect VM rather than NTL ;)

bywater 13-10-2007 02:27

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Well two weeks on since leaving Virgin still getting 4.5 Mb solid which is 1Mb faster than was my old cable account and for the same price unlimted telephone calls and a shiny new lap top thrown in and wireless router. I knew I Wasn't going get to the full 8Mb due to my distance from exchange but so far very happy. Its wonderful to be able to find pages that actually download quickly now. Will drop buy in a few months time and let you know how I am getting on.

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ZebUK 14-10-2007 20:45

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goldoni (Post 34413613)
NOT ME A LITTLE HACKED OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Beat this for a 20Mbps connection

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/17.png

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :D

I CAN!!! :P

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dragon 14-10-2007 20:59

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by goldoni (Post 34413613)
NOT ME A LITTLE HACKED OFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

Beat this for a 20Mbps connection

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/17.png

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :D

comparable to my 8Mbit BT then
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/10/18.png

pedantic 14-10-2007 21:07

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I've never had good results using speedtest.net according to them I'm pinging at 466ms to maidenhead. :dozey:

I've found this one, to give better results.

dragon 14-10-2007 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414794)
I've never had good results using speedtest.net according to them I'm pinging at 466ms to maidenhead. :dozey:

I've found this one, to give better results.

I've had 9Mbit/s from speedtest.net before, quite an accomplishment given that my modem Sync rate is 8128kps and because of the Ip profiling my line can never achieve more than 7150kps thoughput :rolleyes:

http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...6403&v=2524172
Don't ya just love traffic management

danielf 14-10-2007 21:20

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TobyLee (Post 34413762)
I forgot to add this was Virgin Media ADSL not cable, unfortunately my area doesn't have cable yet so I had to go with ADSL.

Obviously it's ADSL that has more of the problems and not cable.

This is a big difference. VM ADSL and VM cable are different beasts altogether. I had VM cable (4 meg, ex telewest) and it has been rock solid. I recently moved house and I would definitely have kept it if it were available in my area.

With some helpful advice from people on here (thank you Pedantic) I went with ADSL24, and so far it definitely looks good. Apart from the 10-12 pm slowdown, speeds are solid, and I really like the fact that the MD regularly posts on their forum. A refreshing approach to customer service. :tu:

pedantic 14-10-2007 21:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34414802)
I've had 9Mbit/s from speedtest.net before, quite an accomplishment given that my modem Sync rate is 8128kps and because of the Ip profiling my line can never achieve more than 7150kps thoughput :rolleyes:

That's my point exactly, unreliable. I suspect, given the short time it takes to test, that it's reporting your burst speed. Everyones speed starts off very high, and then comes down to give a realistic speed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34414802)
http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/res...6403&v=2524172
Don't ya just love traffic management

*cough Migrate cough* :D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34414803)
This is a big difference. VM ADSL and VM cable are different beasts altogether. I had VM cable (4 meg, ex telewest) and it has been rock solid. I recently moved house and I would definitely have kept it if it were available in my area.

With some helpful advice from people on here (thank you Pedantic) I went with ADSL24, and so far it definitely looks good. Apart from the 10-12 pm slowdown, speeds are solid, and I really like the fact that the MD regularly posts on their forum. A refreshing approach to customer service. :tu:

Glad you made the move Danielf, welcome to the dark side. :D

The 10pm surge can be a bit of a pain, as some people try and download the entire internet. :p:

danielf 14-10-2007 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414805)

Glad you made the move Danielf, welcome to the dark side. :D

The 10pm surge can be a bit of a pain, as some people try and download the entire internet. :p:

Well, that, plus the fact that 95% of the web has been down for me for the last 24 hours. I think I'll raise a query on their forum when I can connect to it :erm:

dragon 14-10-2007 21:37

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414805)
That's my point exactly, unreliable. I suspect, given the short time it takes to test, that it's reporting your burst speed. Everyones speed starts off very high, and then comes down to give a realistic speed.



*cough Migrate cough* :D

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Glad you made the move Danielf, welcome to the dark side. :D

The 10pm surge can be a bit of a pain, as some people try and download the entire internet. :p:

Even if it was reporting my burst speed I don't see how that could be 9Mbit/s either.

My IP profile is set at 7150kps, The RAS won't allow anything over that, besides which even if i I Did manage to surpass that my modem is sycned in at 8128kps.

To get a 9mbit speed even at burst it'd have to be transferring data at a rate beyond what's actually possible for my line how do you get 9Mbit/s of traffic down 8Mbit/s of pipe :confused:

Only way It could be doing it is if its measuring the speed to something other than me surely or it miscalculated somehow.

pedantic 14-10-2007 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34414812)
Well, that, plus the fact that 95% of the web has been down for me for the last 24 hours. I think I'll raise a query on their forum when I can connect to it :erm:

Without taking this too far off topic (sorry peeps) have you tried a resync, or reconnection, as it may be a central problem. Also, I would advise you use the opendns servers, as they are a lot more snappy than Enta's.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34414816)
Even if it was reporting my burst speed I don't see how that could be 9Mbit/s either.

My IP profile is set at 7150kps, The RAS won't allow anything over that, besides which even if i I Did manage to surpass that my modem is sycned in at 8128kps.

To get a 9mbit speed even at burst it'd have to be transferring data at a rate beyond what's actually possible for my line how do you get 9Mbit/s of traffic down 8Mbit/s of pipe :confused:

Only way It could be doing it is if its measuring the speed to something other than me surely or it miscalculated somehow.

I regularly get burst speeds of 20% more than what my top speed should be, not for very long, but it does happen.

dragon 14-10-2007 21:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414818)
Without taking this too far off topic (sorry peeps) have you tried a resync, or reconnection, as it may be a central problem. Also, I would advise you use the opendns servers, as they are a lot more snappy than Enta's.

+1 for opendns
great service in my opinion.

danielf 14-10-2007 21:52

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414818)
Without taking this too far off topic (sorry peeps) have you tried a resync, or reconnection, as it may be a central problem.

Deng! :nworthy: I rebooted last night, and it didn't help then, so I didn't figure it would help. Thanks :D

Quote:

Also, I would advise you use the opendns servers, as they are a lot more snappy than Enta's.
Stickied :D

pedantic 14-10-2007 21:54

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf (Post 34414829)
Deng! :nworthy: I rebooted last night, and it didn't help then, so I didn't figure it would help. Thanks :D



Stickied :D

:D

dragon 14-10-2007 21:55

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414818)
Without taking this too far off topic (sorry peeps) have you tried a resync, or reconnection, as it may be a central problem. Also, I would advise you use the opendns servers, as they are a lot more snappy than Enta's.

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I regularly get burst speeds of 20% more than what my top speed should be, not for very long, but it does happen.

Measured using what....

Some programs are very inaccurate for that firefox for instance will start downloading as soon as you hit the link but will only start calculating the speed when you've actually told it where to save to.

It then sees that it already has say 10% of the file and takes that into account when calculating speeds but doesn't take into account the start time so just assumes it got that 10% in no time at all, makes for some very interesting speed readings at the start of a download.

pedantic 14-10-2007 22:16

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dragon (Post 34414833)
Measured using what....

Some programs are very inaccurate for that firefox for instance will start downloading as soon as you hit the link but will only start calculating the speed when you've actually told it where to save to.

It then sees that it already has say 10% of the file and takes that into account when calculating speeds but doesn't take into account the start time so just assumes it got that 10% in no time at all, makes for some very interesting speed readings at the start of a download.

Measured using every browser you can think of, and a few ftp programs too. It may be down to the fact that my Rwin is set relatively high, because I use websites that are located in the U.S so latency can be an issue. May be you don't see it to the degree I do, because of BT's infamous traffic shaping. :D

As I say, it doesn't last that long, a second or two, but that would be enough for the speedtest.net servers, as it's a very quick test. Too quick, as it turns out.

dragon 14-10-2007 22:21

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414846)
Measured using every browser you can think of, and a few ftp programs too. It may be down to the fact that my Rwin is set relatively high, because I use websites that are located in the U.S so latency can be an issue. May be you don't see it to the degree I do, because of BT's infamous traffic shaping. :D

As I say, it doesn't last that long, a second or two, but that would be enough for the speedtest.net servers, as it's a very quick test. Too quick, as it turns out.

I'm to used to my computers inability to count ;)

Best one I ever had was a windows installer, said something like 2million minutes remaining :rolleyes:

Richy99 15-10-2007 15:03

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
compression can cause the speed to go higher than it actually is, an example is giganews has a program for using compression to download headers, i regualry hit over 40mpbs on my conenction

Chrysalis 16-10-2007 16:28

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34414846)
Measured using every browser you can think of, and a few ftp programs too. It may be down to the fact that my Rwin is set relatively high, because I use websites that are located in the U.S so latency can be an issue. May be you don't see it to the degree I do, because of BT's infamous traffic shaping. :D

As I say, it doesn't last that long, a second or two, but that would be enough for the speedtest.net servers, as it's a very quick test. Too quick, as it turns out.

Browser speeds are inaccurate especially at start of file downloads and on small files. I have seen some ftp clients like ftprush that report speed badly. Its physically impossible for a line to burst higher then its capacity.

Down the Pub 16-10-2007 17:31

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slowcoach (Post 34413706)
Proves that everyone is down the pub. :p:


did somebody call :D

dragon 16-10-2007 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Down the Pub (Post 34415929)
did somebody call :D

Ahh the local got wi-fi then ;)

pedantic 16-10-2007 18:03

Re: ADSL24 - this is the life
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34415894)
Its physically impossible for a line to burst higher then its capacity.

I never said it was "pysically" possible. I said that on speed testers, that have a short duration, this burst speed is reported. A decent speed tester needs to be run a reasonable amount of time, to give a correct calculation.

dragon 16-10-2007 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34415962)
I never said it was "pysically" possible. I said that on speed testers, that have a short duration, this burst speed is reported. A decent speed tester needs to be run a reasonable amount of time, to give a correct calculation.

Doesn't that contradict itself :confused:


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