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novacrsh 25-07-2007 18:55

Wireless Network problems..
 
I have been using Dlan setup (through the Electricity circuit) sucessfuly for 9 months - Cable modem downstairs going into the Dlan socket nearby with a Dlan socket upstairs going into the PC via USB - all perfectly running almost out of the box! I have recently aquired a laptop with a Wireless card - and added a Dlan wireless unit to the setup. After installation of the software - the connection to the Dlan Wireless is detected by the Laptop - but i get "unable to resolve ip address and no connectivity" - i decided to input the Dlan ip manualy - so i entered the IP and Subnet but was very unsure about the DNS gateway. It now connects and has an excellent signal but i cant browse any webpages atall.
My Question is what DNS details do i provide and will this rectify the issue.
I Would be very greatful for any ideas.

P.S - Be aware im not very tech savvy!!!

awibble 25-07-2007 20:38

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
on your computer that is working.

click start->run
enter "cmd" and press enter
type "ipconfig /all" and press enter

you should now have listed the gateway, subnet, dns servers etc etc
the only thing you should enter different on your laptop is the IP address

If your computer is say 192.168.1.2 you will probably want your laptop to be 192.168.1.3 personally i would use something like 192.168.1.22 or something different rather than sequencial incase of conflicts.

bucketbakereturn 25-07-2007 20:56

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
really interested to hear how u get on with this set up, surprised the wireless setup hasn't been as intuitive as i'd have thought.

if i can help just shout.

jcw00 25-07-2007 21:24

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Do you have a router connected to the modem, as this is required to share the broadband connection. Otherwise only one connection can work at a time.

novacrsh 25-07-2007 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jcw00 (Post 34359292)
Do you have a router connected to the modem, as this is required to share the broadband connection. Otherwise only one connection can work at a time.

No i dont have a router connected - is there no way for the connection to be shared?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awibble (Post 34359263)
on your computer that is working.

click start->run
enter "cmd" and press enter
type "ipconfig /all" and press enter

you should now have listed the gateway, subnet, dns servers etc etc
the only thing you should enter different on your laptop is the IP address

If your computer is say 192.168.1.2 you will probably want your laptop to be 192.168.1.3 personally i would use something like 192.168.1.22 or something different rather than sequencial incase of conflicts.

This where i get confused - the Wireless Dlan device has an ip - do i change that? or the connection in networks?

jcw00 25-07-2007 21:35

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Does the dlan device have a DHCP server built in?
Is the IP address an internal address like 192.168 or 172. or 10.

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Your cable modem will have an public IP address. A router will have an internal address for example you could set 10.10.10.1. This is your gateway/router address. Your desktop and laptop will be give an IP address via the router's DHCP server for example 10.10.10.2/3

novacrsh 25-07-2007 21:50

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
You see this is where i get so confused - please be patient with me.
im changing details (ip,subnet etc) in the properties for the wireless connection on my laptop.
I also have the option to configure the Wireless device but as i understand it has no built in DHCP(?) to configure ip address.
Really well and truly confused.
thanks for help so far!

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where i am at the moment - i have two networks showing on my laptop - 1 is the Wireless conection and the other is the wireless network card. I can also configure the wireless Dlan socket. What im confused with is what to configure on each of these. I have a strong signal strength when i manualy input an ip etc. But when i leave the "obtain ip auto" on i have limited or no connectivity.
Any help will be greatky received.

jcw00 25-07-2007 21:54

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Whats the model number of the Dlan socket, and I'll look to see what it can and can't do.

novacrsh 25-07-2007 21:54

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
The current setup - thats working fine.


Downstairs. Upstairs.
Modem -------- Dlan socket-----(electricity supply)----Dlan socket ----PC

What i cant intergrate.

Dlan Wireless socket -----(wireless)-----Laptop

Ramrod 25-07-2007 22:04

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Do you need a password for the wireless access?

novacrsh 25-07-2007 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 34359331)
Do you need a password for the wireless access?

currently unsecured - so i think not

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jcw00 (Post 34359322)
Whats the model number of the Dlan socket, and I'll look to see what it can and can't do.

Devolo dLan Wireless extender UK Art.Nr.:1208

jcw00 25-07-2007 22:16

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novacrsh (Post 34359325)
The current setup - thats working fine.


Downstairs. Upstairs.
Modem -------- Dlan socket-----(electricity supply)----Dlan socket ----PC

What i cant intergrate.

Dlan Wireless socket -----(wireless)-----Laptop

What's the model number of the Dlan socket connected to the modem?

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Have a look at the installation section at http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produk...erkit-310.html

This shows a router so that your internet connection can be shared.

novacrsh 25-07-2007 22:18

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcw00 (Post 34359346)
What's the model number of the Dlan socket connected to the modem?

---------- Post added at 21:16 ---------- Previous post was at 21:13 ----------

Have a look at the installation section at http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produk...erkit-310.html

This shows a router so that your internet connection can be shared.

Basic dlan Starter kit

jcw00 25-07-2007 22:31

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
You need a router to share your internet connection.

Cable Modem --- Router --- DLAN Socket }--- DLAN Socket --- PC
.................................................. ...... }--- DLAN Socket --- Laptop

You could have purchased a wireless router to connect directly to the laptop, and thus not needing the wireless DLAN socket.


Look at manual http://download.devolo.net/webcms/05..._en_online.pdf

Look at image under section 4.2 (Home networking option 2).
Ignore the ADSL modem as this will be your Virgin cable modem.

novacrsh 25-07-2007 22:52

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcw00 (Post 34359363)
You need a router to share your internet connection.

Cable Modem --- Router --- DLAN Socket }--- DLAN Socket --- PC
.................................................. ...... }--- DLAN Socket --- Laptop

You could have purchased a wireless router to connect directly to the laptop, and thus not needing the wireless DLAN socket.


Look at manual http://download.devolo.net/webcms/05..._en_online.pdf

Look at image under section 4.2 (Home networking option 2).
Ignore the ADSL modem as this will be your Virgin cable modem.

so in your opinion - a Wireless Router would be the best idea - so it would go
Modem - Wireless Router - Dlan socket ------Dlan socket---PC
and the wireless router would handle the Laptop.
Many thanks all

bucketbakereturn 25-07-2007 22:54

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
ok so this is a wireless extender designed to enhance an existing wireless network?

I'm a little confused myself......being with BT i'd really hoped i would have a place for a homehub downstairs and integrate it more seamlessly into a home av setup. Hoped the devolo kit would also enable a non invasive implentation of technology upstairs without much degredation of signal......still reading this thread with interest.

novacrsh 25-07-2007 23:00

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bucketbakereturn (Post 34359382)
ok so this is a wireless extender designed to enhance an existing wireless network?

I'm a little confused myself......being with BT i'd really hoped i would have a place for a homehub downstairs and integrate it more seamlessly into a home av setup. Hoped the devolo kit would also enable a non invasive implentation of technology upstairs without much degredation of signal......still reading this thread with interest.

The dLAn Wireless Extender is touted as a Highspeed Homeplug adapter & WLAN Access Point - i was hoping my existing setup could easily take this extra Wireless access point - but due to my lack of knowledge its clear i need a router to manage the traffic.
My concern is that i need somthing that connects modem to a wireless router downstairs (without a PC nearby) then to the Dlan socket downstairs - and if im right in thinking i then would be able to connect upstairs PC via Dlan as usual and the Wireless Router would enable me to connect the Laptop to the internet.

Any suggestions on a standalone Wireless Router that is compatable?

mrmistoffelees 25-07-2007 23:05

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novacrsh (Post 34359396)
The dLAn Wireless Extender is touted as a Highspeed Homeplug adapter & WLAN Access Point - i was hoping my existing setup could easily take this extra Wireless access point - but due to my lack of knowledge its clear i need a router to manage the traffic.
My concern is that i need somthing that connects modem to a wireless router downstairs (without a PC nearby) then to the Dlan socket downstairs - and if im right in thinking i then would be able to connect upstairs PC via Dlan as usual and the Wireless Router would enable me to connect the Laptop to the internet.

Any suggestions on a standalone Wireless Router that is compatable?


I would of thought something such as a belking f5d7230 think they are 34.99 in pc world. connect the cable modem to the wan port on your new router then a network cable from one of the four network points on your router to the downstairs dlan

dlan should work and then also so should the wireless

make sure you reboot the cable modem before you attach the router

jcw00 25-07-2007 23:14

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Use the wireless router for your laptop, and the existing DLAN setup for your desktop. The DLAN sockets means that you don't have to put any ethernet cabling around your home, so it's still a useful product.

mrmistoffelees 25-07-2007 23:18

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jcw00 (Post 34359417)
Use the wireless router for your laptop, and the existing DLAN setup for your desktop. The DLAN sockets means that you don't have to put any ethernet cabling around your home, so it's still a useful product.

I havent heard of this DLAN kit before, but if a wireless router is conencted to the cable modem via the ethernet cable, where would the dlan connect to ?:confused:

bucketbakereturn 25-07-2007 23:20

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
ah got it.....

so for me, adsl modem/router connected to dlan, ethernet to xbox from modem/router, plus the benefits that the modem/router is also wireless, so thats all downstairs.

upstairs, dlan connected to desktop pc and somewhere else upstairs the wireless dlan extender.

........correct?

jcw00 25-07-2007 23:23

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
You don't need a router with ADSL installed if you are using a cable modem.

Cable Modem --- Router --- DLAN Socket --- Desktop
.................................\--- Wireless --- Laptop
.................................\--- Ethernet Cable --- xbox

mrmistoffelees 25-07-2007 23:23

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bucketbakereturn (Post 34359433)
ah got it.....

so for me, adsl modem/router connected to dlan, ethernet to xbox from modem/router, plus the benefits that the modem/router is also wireless, so thats all downstairs.

upstairs, dlan connected to desktop pc and somewhere else upstairs the wireless dlan extender.

........correct?

No :)

not and ADSL modem router (unless you are on broadband) if you are on virgin cable you will need a DSL router only. the setup to my mind should look like this


cable modem ----- wireless router --- downstairs dlan and xbox connected via ethernet

wireless does laptop

novacrsh 25-07-2007 23:30

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 34359439)
No :)

not and ADSL modem router (unless you are on broadband) if you are on virgin cable you will need a DSL router only. the setup to my mind should look like this


cable modem ----- wireless router --- downstairs dlan and xbox connected via ethernet

wireless does laptop

exactly the setup i require - so im going to be sending the Dlan wireless extender back - so any ideas what router would be the best for this situation?

Is the Router an easy thing to setup?

mrmistoffelees 25-07-2007 23:36

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by novacrsh (Post 34359447)
exactly the setup i require - so im going to be sending the Dlan wireless extender back - so any ideas what router would be the best for this situation?

Is the Router an easy thing to setup?


Everyone has their own personal preferences, in the past I have used Netgear, Dlink and Belkin, Im currently using a cheap belikin wireless router F5D7230 which i got from PC World for thirty five quid. it was an absoloute doddle to setup and has all the features I need. It sits next to my cable modem downstairs the Xbox 360 is connected to one of the four switch ports I have a media home hub connected to another and my and my housemates connect via the wireless.

Had one initial problem with it which i have added to the belkin setup guide in the stickied comments at the top of this page.

so far so good

novacrsh 26-07-2007 00:18

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Well thank you all for your great advice - allways a font of knowledge and all greatly received.
Novacrsh

bucketbakereturn 26-07-2007 08:14

Re: Wireless Network problems..
 
@ mrmistoffelees, its a Linksys adsl wireless modem/router so i think we're just jousting over terms here. plus i'm a BT customer on broadband.

u think the wireless dlan upstairs would be overkill?


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