No Polish, no job
 

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...b72e29410d.lpf

Tail wagging the dog?

Personally I have nothing against honest hard-working people coming to this country to make better lives for themselves and their families. But surely they have to understand at least the basics of English. For emergencies, of course, and to communicate with the boss.

Or am I missing something?

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Yes they should have, I agree with him there.
Not got a problem with employers requiring bilingual members of staff, but if you need it, then you should advertise accordingly.

It's like me applying for a Wintel support role, and in the interview finding out it's mostly Unix.
Waste of my time, waste of their time.

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Unless of course the employer is trying to "get around" a law on discrimination. A bit like the guy who has no intention of hiring fertile young women, but doesn't say as much in the job ad.

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I have a friend that married a Polish woman, they have gone to live in Poland and a requirement is that he speaks Polish.
He is now taking lessons so that he can become a Polish citizen.

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Maybe they only really want to pay minimum wage or below to the Polish and then any none Polish person is most unlikely to be able to speak the language.

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Stating you require bilingual staff is not against the law.

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Unfair employment discrimination is against the law. One could argue that the employers were unfairly discriminating against non-Polish speaking applicants.

Have the employers considered offering English language lessons to their staff?

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Doesn't matter, if the role requires the employee to be able to speak Polish, then they're within their rights to only employ people who are qualified.
How else does the diplomatic service employ translators?
Or international support centres gain employees?

The only issue here is that they did not state the requirements properly in the advert, and as such, wasted time.

It's no different to a company asking for drivers, then finding out in the interview they need someone who can drive not just cars and vans, but HGV's too.

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When I first saw the title of this thread, I thought it would be a complaint about dirty shoes :erm:. I'll get my coat now ;)

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same thing is happening in Holland now if you arent a EU citizen and want to apply to live in Holland... you need to be able to speak passable dutch within I thought I heard 9 months.

In some ways (and okay I'm going to get bbq'ed for this now) I do agree with this and that perhaps the UK should implement this as well.

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It makes sense.
It'd still make sense for EU members, why should I be able to get a job and live in another EU state without bothering to learn the local language within a reasonable time.
Means people who move around a lot aren't affected as they're not likely to stay for long enough, but those who are staying for a year or more should learn the language of their host country.

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How many translators speak one language?

Personally I don't really think it's appropriate that a lot of people that can't communicate in English are walking round a military instilation but then who am I to complain, I am sure the MOD must think it's ok

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I don't think it is as straightforward as you are suggesting. Employers must have good reasons for criteria added to the job description. You couldn't specify "must be willing to work barechested" in a sweaty building site, as this might discriminate against women.

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That's comepletely different. You don't have to work bare chested to be effective on a building site.

When working with people who speak another language, it is reasonable for the employer to only employ people who can speak languages which would enable them to work effectivly.
If he had said "you're not polish, I'm not employing you" then that is discriminatory and illegal, but he didn't.
Instead, being able to speak Polish was integral to the position, he'd negrected to ensure that was made clear on the advert, and as such, wasted time.
If he'd asked for a secretary, and interviewed someone who couldn't do short hand but he needed someone who could do short hand, would he be acting illegally by employing one of the other candidates who can do short hand?

Look on IT job sites, you'll see loads of positions for German speaker or Dutch speaker or French speakers based in the UK, are they acting illegally by only employing people who can speak German/Dutch/French?

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http://www.cre.gov.uk/gdpract/employ...e/parttwo.html

In the OP case, employers are effectively making the situation for themselves by selectively employing non-English speakers. It isn't as if the job requires frequent telephone conversations with staff in Warsaw.

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I fully expect to be forced to do a citizenship course due to having been away too long if I ever decide to back :Yikes:

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Xaccers with that 1 I can even make it be sound worse. same job just 1 person English the other Dutch the person that takes the Dutch and English calls will be on 3k more at least then just the English person.

but then thats only in the IT sector dont know if that counts for any others

---------- Post added at 17:26 ---------- Previous post was at 17:25 ----------

Maar Daniel jij spreekt toch nog steeds bijna vloeiend Nederlands of niet zo 100% meer.

Anders moet je me gewoon wat PM'en ofzo en dan kan je je Nederlands bijhouden.

Tevens je weet hopelijk wel dat Oranje EK Kampioen is geworden afgelopen weekend onder 21 dat is.....

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At my last company, they tried (and failed) to expand into Europe so required German speakers, which they got 2 of.
Both (one German and lovely, one English and a lazy cow, but that's just them) were paid several grand more than non-German speakers because of their extra skills.
It's just like someone with a degree or MCSE getting paid more than someone without even though they're doing the same job.
To me, that's fine, why shouldn't someone be rewarded for the extra skills and qualifications they have?

Like I said, if the company were only employing people of one nationality, despite the language skills of any other candidates, then that would be illegal.
They're not doing that though, so what they're doing is fine, they have a requirement, the person reported wasn't able to satisfy that requirement, and so didn't get the job.


Talking of Dutch, we had a guy at uni who was doing his PhD over here. He still had his Dutch accent, but whenever he went home, fellow Dutchmen would comment on how good his Dutch was for an Englishman, not believing he was actually Dutch :D

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Nou, er kruipen af en toe wel wat Anglicismen in. Het is een beetje roestig geworden zeg maar. Gelukkig is m'n vrouw ook Nederlands, dus corrigeren we elkaar.

Voor het tweede jaar op rij zelfs. Die Foppe toch...

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I need Faulty to translate :D

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He might be in charge of Babelfish (http://www.babelfish.altavista.com/tr)

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ermmmm norm close mate ;) I think babelfish needs to change the words around a bit then you are close to it ;)


Daniel, I hope that Marco is going to get sacked before our next couple of games and replace him with Foppe de Haan :) he's in my book an excellent coach especially since the dutch youth team was missing some key players.