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Blair is resigning now, and Brown is due to take over. Its pretty cool they go the Queen to do all the process, very cool. :tu:

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As my dad use to say........ they all pee in the same pot :(

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Considering where any lack of acheivment through financial restraints were caused by Brown, how exactly is him being PM a good thing?
Sooner he gets Labour out of power the better.

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I was referring to the process not the New PM. We dont have a PM at the moment which is odd. Although, Maybe Brown will change things, he has 1/2 years so he may try and do quite a bit.

I would like:More spending on a better NHS mostly. He also said he wants to have more Housing.

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I'd like the current spending to be done properly thank you very much, they get shed loads of money already.

Think of it like this, you have a bucket, with a large hole in it.
If you have a fast enough tap, you can keep the bucket full, but there's a load of wastage.
Repair the hole, even just making it smaller, means you need less water to keep it full, and therefore less wastage.

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Its still underfunded compared to European Health services

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The NHS would be alot better if they spent their money properly instead of wastin it on luxuries for theirselfs.

And i dont want more money poured into the NHS ty, i dont want even higher taxes, i dont want to be able to struggle to live, as alot already do thanks to labour.

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Luxuries such as? I haven't been on a training course in over 3 years (due to funding restrictions), haven't had a payrise in line with inflation nor do we get any other luxuries that i can think of - other than the fact we get paid every month. And even that is looking more and more like a luxury as redeployment and redundancies are the topic of staff conversations in our NHS trust.

If you specifically mean one area of staff i.e. senior management or consultants for instance, then please be clear and don't tar us all with the same brush.

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NEWSFLASH

Brown has just emerged from his meeting with the Queen sporting a black eye.







:D

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Did you know that during the time we had no PM today (about 20 mins-ish) the queen was running the country and if <insert mad faction here> invaded us during that 20ish mins she could have hit the big red button...

Amazing!


Off to sleep now...

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I wondered why I felt so calm for 20 mins today, someone sensible and responsible with the Nation's real well being at heart was in control ;)

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I would have preferred the queen to tell bliar "no matey you can't resign so you can sod off to the middle east on regular beano's (much as we all want you to) you promised to serve a full third term as prime minister when you wanted to get elected again so thats what your going to do". As for caring sharing gordon becoming pm it is a dark day for us all we the british public should decide our prime minister not a bunch of smarmy two faced gits in a backroom with a cosy little agreement amongst friends and a two fingered salute to the democracy they claim to value so highly.

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Havent many Prime Minsterships being changed in Office without a election taking place.

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Yes, but I don't recall one PM calling for a general election at the appointment of a new leader, then denying people the same when he's appointed as new leader, other than Brown.

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Out of the frying pan.......:(

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and into the Fridge?

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Sorry, the fridge was reposessed to pay your tax bill.

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I am really worried about what this socialist a**hole is going to do to our economy, the country and my bank balance. :(

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Blair has gone!:cleader:




Now we have Brown! :Yikes:

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<REMOVED - PLEASE REMEMBER THIS IS A FAMILY FORUM - JEFFERSON T> and went downhill since then.
Now brown is in power for half a year at least no doubt hell make sure everything is namby panby b4 the elections to make sure he gets back in.
If he wins the election this is when well all see his bad side.
I hope labour get ousted from power they deserve to we need a change.

vote bnp :dd j/k

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Bliar was good till he got a taste of power and bang that was the end of good bliar in came "i will set the world right" bliar. What bothers me is we will now get the usual guff about new beginnings and new ideas and all the other bs when a leader is changed.

Remember though that brown has been there the whole time going along allocating extra money to continue fighting wars. This man is no carer and sharer he is the git that has robbed many people's pensions even after being told by advisors that he would lower the money that many people would get when they retired very caring and sharing.

As for his new priorities well lets wait and see but after ten years of his stealth taxes and underhand money grabs i shudder to think what he is turning his attention to now.

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well said rizzyking hopefully labour wont be any more after the elections but what then?
best thing we should do is vote liberal democracts theyve never been in power from the best of my knowledge and should be tryed instead of the labour/conservatives bull**** we putup with every election.

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Another parasite for PM isnt cool m8... ;)

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I doubt there will be a quick election - Brown has already setup tax band changes which come into force next April - sweeteners for middle england.

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I used to think like you but after seeing both my parents seriously ill I have now come to realise what a fool you are.

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I said it was the fact they had to go to the Queen that I found cool ;) Not that I agree with the term Parasite anyway, I am kind of hopeful that Brown will do something. He needs to win a election soon and even if he does he will likely lose the next one so he is bound to want to make some progress fast. Not to mention he wont have the problem with getting funds that Blair did.

I like elections more though, All day people vote and then overnight the political landscape changes as more and more results come in, So the next morning people wake to a slightly different country :) Something cool about the process and the fact it concludes while people are sleeping.

As for the NHS is should be one of the best funded Health Services in the World, We all need to use it as some point and when your ill you want the best, fastest service you can get. Every government should have Health and Education at the top of their agenda, I agree that it needs to be managed better and I like the Torys idea of a board in charge of it (i also think the same should happen in Education) but its got better and its failures are not all down to waste. It still needs more funding. This is a health system for the entire country that is free, it should be expensive.

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From Poodle Blair to Highway man Brown. God have mercy on our souls

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What a bunch of miserable old farts you all sound...

This country will survive them..it always has...Politicians always come and go but the people are still the same and we are a terrific bunch...:tu:

See we didn't even riot during those 20 minutes.;)




























Anyway the Civil Service actually run the country...;)

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Has he? There may be hope for me yet! :D

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Don't go buying that Ferrari just yet... ;)

Link

Note the 10% starting rate will be removed...

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I've often wondered why should there be an 'upper earnings limit' on National Insurance Contributions?

- however I also believe what you pay in NIC should reduce your liability for Income Tax :shrug:

Otherwise it is all 'jam tomorrow' - dependent on whether they get re-elected???

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I wondered why we as a nation havent progessed in the last 20 years!

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Why, you taking a pay cut ;)

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Brown/Saxon, any parity? lol

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Because theres a pensions limit? All other services are he same regardless of what you earn

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Not that anyone my age will ever get a state pension anyway!

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Probably because, notionally, NI contributions are supposed to pay towards certain benefits (maternity benefit, widow's pensions) & the NHS. In order that HMG can claim it's not a tax the total possible contribution per person is capped.

Note that the link said the upper earnings limit is going to be raised by £75 a week in 2008 i.e. you'll pay contributions on more of your salary.

In 2009 the upper earnings limit & the higher rate tax threshold will be aligned i.e. you'll pay 11% of your salary from the lower earnings limit all the way up to where the 40% tax rate kicks in (at the moment the upper limit is lower than the higher rate threshold). After that you pay 1% NI on the rest of your earnings, effectively making the higher tax rate 41%...

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Do you think your ever going to be able to retire anyway!!! You'll be the slave of some weathly Indian Baron who owns 100's of call centres, but you wont be able to work in the call centre as you dont speak Cockerney ;)

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I get nowhere near an higher income tax rated salary, and pay, proportionately, more for my NIC than an higher rate tax payer does, was my beef ;)

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It makes me wonder if most people in this thread that are moaning about the departed Blair, and now his successor Brown, would rather have Cameron running the country? If not who else?

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I'd would rather have Cameron running the country, although I'd be cautious.
Would be hard pressed to do worse.
If it wasn't for expenses, thanks to Brown's last budget, my income has had nearly a third knocked off it.

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Not a man to trust.. too inclined to u turn in my opinion.

Frankly there is not a politician in any of the main parties I would vote for at the moment...Well not happily.

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I totally agree, we have to choose from the best of a bad bunch, hopefully things will change soon in the future.

Near Utopia would be living within our means and managing to save for family holidays without going broke.

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I think it spoke volumes that Blair got a standing ovation by all parties at the last PM QT.

It showed that all the politicians are all in the same back slapping boys club, and that they are all so nearly identical that it really wouldn't matter a jot if it's Labour, Tory or Lib Dem in power, because they are all the same.

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Sure that wasn't a reaction of relief? That finally he was going and a new phase was starting? Well only for them..things will pretty much stay the way they have always have for us plebs.:rolleyes:

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Isnt it heart warming to get a pay rise and then due to the changes in the tax system take home substantially less money.
Removing the lower end of the tax bracket in the name of making it 'simpler' is just a joke, i'm so glad that all my funding comes via grants and so i dont pay any tax on it what so ever. I'm sure that will be changed soon enough as we cant have people not paying tax through the nose now can we.

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I'm delighted to see that the word 'dour' hasn't yet crept into this thread about the new PM :)

Please please please can we keep it that way? :D

OK, I know it's now just appeared in the thread, but you see what I mean ;)

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I'm sure we will be prudent in our use of the word... ;)

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What's this thread got to do with a Belgian municipality? :D

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Well thats the damned good thing about gordon we don't need to use your four letter D word when we have so many others to use to describe him. Let's see off the top of my head there is sneaky, underhanded, dispassionate, controlling, devious, troublemaking er thats it for now unfortunately i have at least a year of him to remember the others.

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Hopefully the saddos who thought it was terribly terribly witty and rebellious to 'accidentally' spell 'Blair' as 'Bliar' will be hard pressed to come up with something similar for Brown :rolleyes:

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Nice one. We've got Yvette Cooper & Ed Balls in the cabinet. That's good news for where i come from. Yvette is our local MP.
;)
Husband & wife both in the cabinet.

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I hated it when people thought it was clever to do that :rolleyes: But I think Brown is even more open to one liners than Blair was. :D

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Room for one more? :D

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Who said it was accidental? & Fyi, niether are those who have chosen to rebel by doing it are saddos. People are entitled to be miffed with the poor government that has been in office for just over 10 years now and now 'old timer' GB, gets to be PM through a non-electoral, undemocratic process, and some of us are suppose to sit here and smile and pretend everything is going to be alright now? Nope I won't and rightfully not many others will either. :rolleyes:

Btw, It's not very hard pressing to find something suitable and accommodating for Gordon the Gopher?

I think not.... How about?

Brr, Nod, Go Now.

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No, It is sad and stupid to debate using childish word-play. Bliar is not really shown sound, reasoned, debate/disapproval. Its perfectly fine to point out reasons for disliking the government. He was not saying that people were not entitled to be miffed just disagreeing with the way some people choose to do so.

Blair is a Poodle, Bliar is not clever, witty, or good debate. Its just childish and when you see someone using it you think of someone who has read it 100times before and is repeating it. Sheep like behaviour from people who are too lazy to think for themselves and decide to use newspaper spun headlines in converstation.

Also, were you calling for a election when Major took over?

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Please it's like people referring to VM as Vomit Media because they are miffed at the poor service they receive, pretty childish imo, what will it achieve?

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Is it hell as like that at all.

One is a commercial product/service - the other is a crap government that is suppose to be serving the people, minus one crap ex-Prime Minister, so what do they go and do? Replace the old crap with er, old crap.

As the saying goes and applies very much so here, "Same ...., different day!"

That was their choice and they're not saddos for doing so either. It's like me, who could imply that you are a 'saddo' for supporting and defending a really crap government, but I ain't going to, that's your choice.

Rubbish.

Yes I was. Your point being?

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Add to the fact tony blair is a damn liar he said he would serve a full third term if elected as prime minister he did not thats a lie he knew damn well he wasn't going to serve the full term. He told us we would get a referendum on the european treaty we are not going to get that so he lied again and those are just two examples so actually i think using the term bliar is very applicable.

As for gordon brown he has already said we don't need a referendum so not listening to the british people as he has stated recently. Fact is they are a bunch of self serving power hungry gits that don't give a rats about you me or anyone else other then themselves and their own ambition.

Sooner people realise that the sooner we might start voting with OUR brains and less by old loyalties maybe then we can get a government that does do what the people want rather then tell us all what we want and then doing the damn opposite.

As to the john major reference i don't remember him having a nice backdoor agreement with maggie to take power and he certainly didn't topple her out of downing street as gordon brown has done. Tony blair and gordon brown were supposed to be longtime friends funny how easily gordon found it to stab bliar in the back when a sniff of power came up.

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and what does calling blair a silly name do to rectify the situation, nothing, does it even make people feel better? Tbh I think people are more justified having a dig at VM than the government in this way, the actions of government are to important to be written of with a glib comment in the way some choose to because their tv is playing up

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As soon as someone uses the 'Tony Bliar' childishness I realise that they don't have anything intelligent to say so don't bother reading the rest of their post/blog/whatever. So I have no idea whether I agree with what they've said or not.

Think of all the great orators in history; I wonder if any of them would have done the 'Tony Bliar' thing. :rolleyes:

Oh, and this isn't a pro-Blair post; it's an anti-childishness post. I remember a long long time ago someone wrote to the Guardian's question & answer column, whatever it was called - I know, I know, but I was a student, it was a long time ago, it wasn't a bad paper then - asking 'Could John Major be any more boring?'; I wish I'd written in with the first thing that sprang to mind, which was 'Well, by being as much of a smug, self satisfied prick like you'. I didn't like Major as a PM but that sort of childishness just really irritated me.

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No, Its nothing to do with your dislike of the government. It is about reducing any disagreements to the level of childish name calling such as the type that would go on in school. Somewhere someone came up with the term Bliar and it is repeated constantly or 'he is Bush's poodle' people dont seem to want to discuss it anymore than that.

It dismissive and allows for no debate.

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Exactly, Repeating a silly, childish nickname suggests to me that it is someone who repeats what they read and shows no signs of being willing to actually engage in a reasoned discussion, in which case whats the point?

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No, It isnt. The paragraph of reasoning you gave before is. You don’t need to reduce your argument to 'bliar' you have already made a argument. Although I disagree with you because Blair properly did intend to serve a full term but this was made more difficult by Brown and by Blairs unpopularity with the public. People wanted him to go. I hardly think they can now turn around and say "But you said you’ll serve a full term'. I agree with you that he should but he was prevented from doing so by Brown and by the press/public. The EU treaty is tricky since I know little about what the latest one contains but we have never had one before.

No, but others did backstab Maggie, its just they didn’t end up as the next Prime Minister. I actually do think their should be a election since people do vote depending on the PM a lot of the time but I dislike the people trying to claim that this is a Labour only problem.

By the way, you have admitted that Blair was all but forced out so why do you think he is a liar because he said he would serve a full term. Its obvious that control over his future was removed from him to some extent.

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You mean like Gordon Brown did?

Bliar is simply more descriptive of the person. Sorry if you don't like the idea of him being a liar, I know you've shown yourself to be quite fond of him in the past and all that.

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Which ironically, is how you're coming across to me :rofl:

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At least I gave reasons other than a catchphrase I have heard a million times before. I like reading and debating issues like this but if I wanted to listain to name-calling I would go and talk to a 12 year old, if you have nothing of value to add then why bother repeating something like a parrot?

By the way, your one of the people that actually gives geniune reasons for disliking the government and debates issues. So why do you care about the childish name-calling?

and yes like Gordon Brown did. I think he should call a election. I know I am defense of the government but that doesnt mean I agree with everything they do or that I like Brown.

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After just watching Question Time on the beeb, with the tory representitive Michael Howard on the panel, it is reassuring to note that the tory's are far from being voted in to run the country...........as Piers Morgan said on the prgramme, "What do the tories stand for at the moment", which to me seemed an obvious question, which Howard could not answer.
I think it just goes to show that the Lib Dems are the second party in the country at the moment, with the tories lagging behind at a distant third.
When will the tories wake up?

Never hopefully !!

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Well, Gordon's spending our money wisely already. :rolleyes:

Two departments abolished & three created...

Link

New websites, new letterheads etc, etc...

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I think we can only judge Gordon Brown & his government by their actions.

If we see a continuance of spin, sleaze, lies & deception we will know that nothing has changed.

If we see that the agenda is the same as Blair's that will be another telltale sign.

My concern at the moment is to see if Gordon Brown is going to ratify the latest treaty without a referendum because being ruled from Brussels will have a major impact on our lives.

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Especially when Tony Blair becomes EU president!

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That was one of my other fears but I don't think the other leaders would like it which is why presumably he got the peace envoy job.

Mind you, it doesn't mean that he won't try for the job in a few years time!! LOL!!

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Bliar is only childish to those people who are incapable of understanding the reasoning behind it
It is an insult to the man, unfortunately, some people love him so much they take the insult to themselves too, and so object and try to stiffle free speach (something Bliar liked to do)

As for Gordon, what does it tell you about your beloved leader that he called for an election when Major came in (and that was after a proper leadership contest, no back room shenanigans and dodgy deals) yet when his butt's on the line he doesn't call for it.
Confirms to me he's despirate for power not what's in the country's best interest or what the people want.
Much like Bliar was.

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Dislike or opposition to someone or something can take many forms but doesn't detract from the original feeling or intent. You don't like the term "bliar" as you feel it is childish and easily repeated by people so again it seems appliacable as blair made a career out of easily said and repeated comments and terms.

Fact is many in the UK feel let down by blair they feel disgusted with the whole brown taking power situation and they have the right to express that in anyway they choose. What we have basically had is a coup a leader forced from office and a person taking power without mandate or consultation with the public.

I liked last night's question time where michael howard asked a simple yet important question ie as brown has been at the top of the government for the last ten years making all the policy with blair what are these new ideas he suddenly has to improve things and has he come up with them in the last few weeks (doubtful) or been publicly baking policy he felt was wrong while holding onto his good ideas till he was in a position to implement them and get the credit as PM.

That wasn't answered by the labour mouthpiece they had on who followed the brown line so studiously that it occupied most of her thought process. If this had happened in another country we would have had our politicians commenting on how bad for democracy it is.

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I think the term "Bliar" came to be used as a term of derision since it accurately reflected Blair as one in office who lied both to his fellow Parliamentarians and to the British public.

Pity really that the code of conduct for MPs is so weak and ambiguous that he could not have been impeached in the same way that Richard Nixon was in the United States.

In a sense, its repeated usage is like the childish name-calling one hears in the school playground but if we replaced the word Bliar with the word "traitor" it becomes a whole lot more serious.

Tony Blair has betrayed a lot of people some of whom have died to be part of his legacy.He's betrayed the young by lowering standards in education but pretended that standards have improved. He's betrayed the working man or woman in the street by permitting the rising of taxes and raids on their pension funds. He's allowed Europe to have a stronger grip on life in Britain and sold off our democracy. He is beneath contempt.

Let's hope that Gordon Brown is more honest, transparent and has the integrity and common sense to do a good job for the people of Britain without lining his own pockets in the process.

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Why should brown be any different he has been right up there with blair the whole time nodding in agreement and then writing the cheques now i am meant to believe he is this "new" sort of leader yeah ok i have to go now the tooth fairy is coming round for coffee.

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I'm not happy at the splitting up of the Dept of Education....I'm worried that the link between 11-18 and Further Education will be weakened by splitting them apart.

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Takes one to know one, nah nah nah !

And you smell! Pooey!

;)

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I do not know why Blair is particularly given stick for lying.After all it's a prerequisite of a politician's job and frankly all of them are doing so to to varying successful degrees. ;)

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I can't smell, I'm anosmic ;)

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What?With your big hooter...:D

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I told you to stop looking over my shoulder when I'm using the gents ;)

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Ramrod, Ramrod, my Xaccers has no nose!

How does he smell?

etc etc etc ;)

By the way - does that word really exist? I know I could look it up but that just seems like a dull way to find things out :)

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Funnily enough, if you google anosmic, this is what comes up as the first entry -
"Loss of olfaction may lead to the loss of libido, even to the point of impotency, which often preoccupies younger anosmic men"
I would just like to point out I didn't say it, google did! :D

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Cookie says nothing :)

Over to you Xaccers :D

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Yup sounds about right.

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So there you go, this is what we have to look forward to. Handy them cars being in London to bury this news. ;)

/me awaits excuses from labour fanboys

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It's good to be Welsh :D

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Yes but it isn't good to be the wealth creating part of the UK right now.

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That's the price you pay for always qualifying for the World Cup and Euro tournaments :D