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Apparently many thousands of people have paid for someone else to take their driving tests and are therefore on our roads fraudulently and very probably unsafely.

Heard a test examiner explaining that although photocard licences have made things more difficult for the criminals involved (many of whom are engaged in all sorts of other dubious activities) it is often hard to match the picture on the provisional licence to the face of the person taking the test. Apparently some people have had provisional licences for years and in that time their appearance may have changed quite a lot.

Well surely if there is any doubt in the mind of the examiner as to the identity of the person taking the test it should be called off until enquiries have been made. Furthermore, why aren't pictures taken of the person sitting the test and new licences issued only using these 'official' pictures. At least this would mean that someone who'd claimed they'd aged prematurely or something would only be able to get a photocard with someone else's mug on it.

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I think there are more people driving on the roads who have no license at all (or a license they have bought in another country) than people who have fraudulently obtained UK licenses. I think we need to tackle that problem first.

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Some people who have passed the driving test are terrible drivers.

Surely regular tests, rather than a once-in-a-lifetime test, is the way forward?

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I thought the photo licence was meant to stop this happening though to be honest some of the people on the roads are such bad drivers that it doesn't suprise me at all.

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Couple of years ago, I hired a car out, so the hire company, required my driving license, its the old paper back type, I have a clean driving license because I consider myself a careful driver who doesn't break the speed limits. The comment I got off one of the guys in the office, he said its a very rare site seeing a completely clean driving license.

But like others have said here - there is some absolutely low driving standards from some drivers, so it does make you wonder if they actually A) Own a driving license. B) Actually ever sat a test and passed it.

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Well I think they're 2 aspects of the same problem to be honest and both need to be addressed.

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Mine is completely clean too, never had a point on it, a fact I keep pointing out to my family when they ask to borrow my car;).
I have a 15 year old Merc which is in far better condition than my mothers 3 year old Vauxhall Aguila.

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I think that a lot of people simply get used to driving. They then forget that they are controlling a machine that, if badly used, could kill or seriously injure someone. Combine this with the fact that most people do forget what they learned after a while (not directed at drivers specifically, that last bit, we've all forgotton stuff we learned at school).

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Here's my driving licence pic.http://www.clown-ministry.com/images...lown-color.jpg:D
thanks to marky for link.

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I'm such a good driver, the authorities even endorsed my licence ;)

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Ah but it's far easier to deal with them than it is to deal with someone who as far as the authorities are concerned has passed a test and should be on the road.

If the Police catch someone with no license for doing something stupid (red lights, mobile phones, generally looking a bit shifty in control of a vehicle) it takes about 30 seconds to find out if they have a licence or not and if they don't 9 times out of 10 they are punted to the side of the road and the car taken away (Cracking bit of legislation that :tu: )

If they are pulled for any of the above reasons or being in an accident etc. when they are checked it'll show them as having a full licence and unless they burst to getting someone to sit it for them you'll never know and they'll just go through the usual court system. Maybe picking up a few points here and there until they hit the barrier and lose their licence but unless they get done for a dangerous driving or the judge takes a dislike to them they won't have to pass the test again.

Personally I think making a competency test part of getting your licence back after any ban or even in lieu of another punishment would be a better idea, i.e. you get convicted of careless driving and either get 6 points + fine or retake the test.

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I agree completely. Send them back to school and hopefully they will eventually learn to drive properly. After all, the law isn't only about punishment, but also rehabilitation.

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I feel we should be concentrating on those without a licence (even though i know my own father passed his driving test twice - once for him and once for his uncle in the 70's :D)

I spoke to someone the other day who doesn't have a driving licence (who was driving a car!) and told me its actually worth getting arrested and charged for driving without a licence/insurance because you only receive a fine as opposed to having to insure a car. Apparently some young drivers do this all the time!

Therefore all of us who are gaining our no-claims are still having our policies increased year on year to compensate for the losses incurred by these idiot drivers!! Who's the mugs here?? :erm:

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Most forces now take the car off drivers who don't have insurance or a license so as well as the punishment the courts can hand out (not always a fine, a visit to her majesties bed and breakfast isn't unknown for repeat offenders) you have to pay recovery and storage costs for the car.

Plus if your face or numberplate gets known (and it will) you would soon find a lot more 'random' checks being done to ensure everything is in order document wise.

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I'd love to agree with you there Derek, maybe we just don't have enough officers to enforce this (like most other places) but i just don't see it happening and in the meantime the innocent and honest drivers are the only ones who seem to be the worst off.

I was told recently by a friend (who is a policeman in our area) that there are 7 police officers covering our area of almost 150k population overnight and at weekends - which is spread approx 15 x 25 miles :erm:

Just another extremely under-funded but necessary service :(

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When did this turn into the police forum Oh thats another one.

For eveverone out there that are passing UK driving tests for other people, There are also the DVLA staff that are creating licences under the counter for there customers too, at exzobondate Prices. I was Quoted 1100 GBP

GREED

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Ever thought about posting a link or is this just a moan.

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Hey thanks for digging up a dead 3 year old thread.

And I'm assuming you reported that person? Or perhaps you didn't because it never happened? As a former DVLA worker I can assure you the level of security involved in creating driving licences would make that all but impossible.

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It didnt.

Mind you, since you only just posted you are not really in a position to ask such a question :erm:


So you tried to illegally obtain a licence and are moaning they quoted you too much :dozey:

I can think of many words, greed isnt one of them ....

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no he posted it in 2007 he just got a slow internet connection :D

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The mind boggles at the stupidity of some people :dunce:


just a thought but are you actually allowed to accuse a government department of corruption without evidence

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I think he is after a Darwin Award.:D

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definately ,if it's true then he could have earned enough to pay the ....
exzobondate ???.....prices they were charging by selling the story to the news of the world

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Of course you can?

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What about if you have a large family with members in most departments all in on it? I was offered one years ago when I worked for OnDigital by some one who said they were doing just that.

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I'd say it was near-impossible. Back when I was there security was already tight and it gets more and more stringent each year. Random and unannounced checks are made on the relevant departments to the point that anyone claiming to offer this sort of 'service' would be shut down and jailed very quickly.

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It could be they just *said* they could do that. After all, if you paid them, and it was a scam, you are hardly likely to go to the Authorities and say you were buying a dodgy licence, are you?

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Plus unless anyone using the 'dodgy' driving licences was totally unknown to the Police they would eventually get caught and then the subsequent investigation would quickly figure out that a legit licence had been obtained and who, when and why it was issued.

Fingerprints and DNA don't change. If someone gets picked up with a driving licence in another name the Police don't simply shrug their shoulders and walk away. ;)

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Oh well I will add my little bit since someone revived it.

A few months ago my GF took her driving test, she travelled about half a mile before the examiner asked her to pull over. He said 'you are a driver aren't you'

At this point she had to come clean with him, and explain that she had applied for a provisional licence to take a driving test because the DVLA refused to change the name on her licence back to her maiden name. She showed him her full licence with her married name (Divorced 10 years ago), her divorce certificate and her passports that are in her maiden name.
The examiner thought there was something dodgy and she was taking the test for someone else. Apparently he wasn't surprised when she explained all the problems she had with the DVLA and then carried on with the driving test.

Yep, she now has two licences.

I know what you are thinking, but the answer is 'NO' she can not use one for points, because here is the stupid part. 'The licence number is the same on both of her licences':dozey:

She applied for a provisional licence and took her test again because the DVLA expected her to travel to Zimbabwe to get another divorce certificate, because the one she has says 'copy' and failed to accept that another one from the courts would also state 'copy' on it.

The DVLA are a very thick an inefficient department.:rolleyes:

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The DVLA annoy the hell out of me. I had major brain surgery at the age of five, and suffer from a balance and co-ordination disability called "ataxia". To apply for a provisional I need to fill in a medical questionaire on which I need to fill in the name of my consultant, the date when I last saw them regarding my condition, and the dat I last saw my GP regarding the same conditon. Slight problem is that I last saw my consultant at QMC in Nottingham in 1993 and i've not seen my current GP since being registered the surgery 9 years ago.

Bottom line is that the DVLA don't like this, now instead of sending me for a medical, or an ability to drive assesment, they choose to cancel every application I make on an unrelated technicality, never the same one, just anything they can find.

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Don't get me wrong, when it comes to professional incompetence and jobsworthness the DVLA get 5 stars all-round. But corruption and security issues? Not really.

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There was another article in Motorcycle News last week about them, apparently the claims are that the big problem is the high turnover of staff at DVLA.

The DVLA agreed with Motorcycle News earlier this year that anyone sending in their old driving licence for renewal, would get the old one returned with the corner cut off if they included a SAE and a note requesting it. DVLA employees had stopped doing this recently because they were not told this during training.

The returning of old licences was a result of complaints due to licences having driving groups missing after renewal.

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No when We could not come to an arrangement on payment, So I could be assured that it wasn't one of these Scamers, (I was scammed by the websites in Europe (614 Australian dollars)(350 Euro), promising to supply a EU Driving Licence from Eastern european Country that would be legal in the UK.

I asked that they provide a postal address for me to send payement too, They wouldn't provide That and they said it might endanger his contact inside the DVLA if he provided a address in the UK to send payment too.

So I haven't Proceeded yet, I am still trying to find the 1800 GBP to put the order in (for me thats 3000 AUD)

again I say GREED

I need a C1 class licence to drive a LGV vehicle( light truck, camper motor home) in UK /europe, My australian licence Class C (vehicle up to 4.5 ton) isn't accepted by the DVLA for change over, nor is it acepted to Drive a vehicle that size as a visitor to uk. Weights of heavey vehicles are different between Europe and Australian class, our Heavey vehicle licence start at 4.5 ton, and Europes start at 3.5 ton.

that way I tryed to get the eastern european website licence,Hungry or Germany Licence option, only to get scammed.
Were in Australia I can drive a light goods Truck 3 ton up, in Europe I can't, Just a car size vehicle.

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The first thing that comes to mind is why not take the required test in this country and acquire a legitimate license?:erm:

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What's the corner cut for?

Just thought I'd mention it. I still have a paper licence.

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you can't complain about greed and being scammed when you are trying to do something illegal

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Criminals greedy??? Now there's a surprise.... :rolleyes:

Having said that, you appear to be willing to break our laws so I have no sympathy for you or any money you lose.

Are you really expecting anyone here to wish you luck getting a bent licence to drive on our roads or feel sorry that the **** who do this sort of thing want to rip you off? :confused:

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then i think you should get it changed because it is no longer a valid form of id

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There was a thing on Watchdog about the DVLA leaving off classes on people DL and those people have been dropped in the poo as they have a class of their DL which they have passed and are according to their DL breaking the law.

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Because it take s too long , to get a LR licence or equivelent of your C1 class , in Australia you have to hold a car licence for 1 year.
to get a MR licence or the equivelent of Europes C class (lorry) you have to hold a LR or car licence for 1 year.
To get a HR or a larger Lorry over 10 ton you have to hold a MR licence for 2 years.

It just go on and on over here in Australia
Graduated licencing system

You can't even ride a small motorcycle until you have held a Car licence from one year

And any way once I do all that as a non european redisent, no Uk resident, I can't drive a C1 class or heavy vehicle in the UK, that only for EU or UK licenced drivers.

All I want to do is come and hire a motor home for a few months

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not to mention the insurance issue ,if the op gets stopped by the police then it's crush city for the camper van :D

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Ah well, I fancy a driving licence - a mere snip at 1800.... Better start saving :rolleyes:

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And what happens if you are involved in an accident?Which is more than likely..this is a small country with a dense population and our roads are full to bursting with traffic unlike the smaller population of Australia in a much larger continent.

You have to see that the idea is completely mad.

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Isn't it? I'll leave it as it is then.

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If you stop it happening as residents of the EU, well then you are all part of it happening

I can't get a legal one on exchange because I am not a resident, (185 day residency rule, that there to stop europeans loseing there licence in one country and going to another and get, passing a test in another)

Why is my current licence not recognized in the UK, a UK licence is recognized in Australia, you don't have to be retested.

I personally no a man a former citizen of the uk (well still a citizen, he still has a UK passport) he is now a perment resident in Australia (my state) (we works in Australia etc pay tax), he has a state driving licence, he didn't have to surrender his UK Licence, In fact he still renews his UK licence every 5 years or so via mail order, Internet, and credit transaction, and he dosn't even live in the UK.

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A figment of your imagination. Nothing more.

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Your people I take it you are from the UK can come here to Australia drive what you like, the government deptments will give you a Australian licence.
you can get Insurance.

We have recipricol aggrements on licenceing.

But because I am not a Resident (perminent of the UK) I can't change a licence over, and I can't get UK driver or Vehicle insurance, or even a MOT certificate done.

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Well when you get stopped, and the police find your DL is dodgy you will got to jail and be unlikely to get bail as you would be deemed a 'flight risk'.

When you are found guilty you will go to a british prision, you may get lucky and get a transfer to a Aussie prison to serve the rest of you term.

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A driving license is not required to have an MOT done on a car.
A UK driving license does not get renewed every 5years.
In short you're talking mince.

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OH I contacted this guy alright, and he was going to do a under the Counter Provisional and Full Driving licence.

Maybe he is still there maybe he s gone from the DVLA now,
If he s gone is there will always be someone else taking his place, and the European an chinese fake Sites continue scaming people, and the UK dosn't stop it.

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No. It won't happen. I've worked at the DVLA, I'm aware of the full range of security checks that go on. Even if "he" is real, his claims are not.

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But the point is the Eastern European Licence from Germany or Hungary or Creaq Rep is Legal (It is Legal in the UK to Drive with one in the UK)

Movelicence.com do a search on that
FulldrivingLicence.com

UKID for a fakes

The under the counter UK licence is legal because it is isuued by the DVLA

So what would UK law enforcement rather do , Go after Dodgee or Non UK licenced drivers For Unlicenced driving. and Get Convictions.

Where what they should do is shut down the Overseas Website selling Fakes, and go after the people in the UK doing this, then there won't be a problem of unlicenced driving.

Just the ones that chose to do because they don't bother tp try to get a licence.

Me I have a Driver Licence from my country that isn't accepted by the DVLA, I have had much Discusion with the DVLA UK On this. Problem still not resolved.

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While I would support the negative vibes you may have noticed regarding obtaining an 'illegal' licence, I do share your concern that your legitimate antipodean licence isn't recognised in the UK....

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What would UK law enforcement do. Deal with a problem in the UK or one in another country... Tough one that. Believe me if you drive with a fake license and get stopped by the police you are entering a world of trouble.

The under the counter one isn't legal either.

The only legal ones are ones issued by the DVLA after the relevant tests are passed.

Your arguments about it being OK as it's allowed in other countries don't hold up much either. If I wandered about the town centre with a bunch of guns saying it's allowed in America wouldn't get me anywhere.

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Unsure on what kind of license his mate has Mags 'as he is talking about all kinds of things' but if you're over the age of 40 and hold a Class C you do have to get it renewed every 5 yrs, every yr over the age of 65, this does require a Dr's medical certificate though, there is no fee except the one the Dr charges though.

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So what? Maybe you lot should toughen up things over there to deal with people like him. The system here may be unfair to people like you or even stupid but simply breaking laws that don't suit you really isn't the best way to go about your business.

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....well it might get you to the morgue a tad earlier than expected... :D

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But then at least the Daily Mail would be able to run stories saying people firing guns randomly into the street aren't a threat to anyone... :rolleyes:

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Cable Forum Admin You forgot to close this now

to answer Wayfairs comment yes I can come to the UK and drive a Car ( vehicle up 3500 KG) as a visitor or as a resident with my native countrys licence.

What I can't do is come to the UK as Visitor or Resident and drive a C1 class vehicle (a vehicle 3500Kg to 7500 Kg) or a C class lorry (a vehicle over 7500 Kg) that is only reserved for UK licence holders or European union licence holders, Would be alright if I had a USA (state licence) their C class a car includes anything including trucks, and large RVs up to 10000KG. Their Comercial vehicle licences only start at 10000 KG