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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6766003.stm

Something the Daily Mail and others should take on board. Instead they choose to run

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

:rolleyes:

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Of course there are alternative views:

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/brie...t+of+migration

The problem is the the facts are unclear and whilst there is no doubt that a proportion of migrants directly contribute a great deal financially to the economy, there are many who do not. These may be asylum seekers who (through no fault of their own) are unable to work and therefore pay no tax and migrants whose earnings are so low they pay little or no tax.

There is no mention in the articles you quote of how these conclusions were arrived at by the TUC and until HMG gets to grips with the situation and produces credible migration figures there will always be serious doubt as to what the real situation is.

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Migration Watch is a anti-Immigration group, their whole goal is to fight Immigration. While the TUC does not have a ideological motive to issue such a report so I am inclined to belive them over a anti-immigration group.

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They must be different to the ones who have been living near my area, all they do is drink and urinate on the pavement.

Don't they have toilets in Poland.

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The point is Damien that they have at least backed up their claims with figures - from what I can see, all the TUC have done is issued a statement - what is it based on? Where are the facts/figures?

What Migration Watch are/aren't is a matter of opinion but since when does being anti something preclude anyone from being right? Are the groups set up with an anti Iraq war agenda wrong? Do you discount them just because they have an agenda?

The TUC's ideological motives for issuing such a report might be that it fits in entirely with the reason for their existence - namely to protect the rights of working people. Having a motive doesn't necessarily make them wrong either by the way - they just haven't backed up their claim. If/when they do we'll all be able to compare their methodology with that of Migration Watch and make our own decisions on whose stack up although from what you've said that won't matter to you because you've already formed your opinion.

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Well to be fair there are plenty of indigenous yobs who do that too sadly :(

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Can't say we have that problem here. Most of the Poles I deal with are decent folk (with an unhealthy disregard for UK traffic laws but aside from that law-abiding) and unlike most of the homegrown 'customers' actually have jobs.

Of course there are people from countries who have recently come to the UK (Not Poland) who aren't as friendly and useful as the Poles but I won't comment on them just yet. It might be the initial culture shock that will hopefully wear off.

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What was good about the whole 'immigration affair' was that report stating that immigrants should be given leaflets about the way of living in the UK. Big up for that, especially the spitting, queuing, apologising and the handshake bit! But they should distribute leaflets to schools as well, so that some silly youngster doesn't think its alright to dump his chiken&chips takeaway on the pavement!
Too much of anything is not good. Same goes to immigration!

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for every report saying they are usefull there will be reports saying they aren't.. whatever view you have you can always put spin on these and if you want the anti immigration people can just choose to ignore these pro reports anyway

i was saying to someone the other day that if they all went "back to where they came from" as alot want I don't think I would be able to get into work. I know my office wouldn't be clean as we would have no cleaners.. plus alot of other jobs.. alot of nurses as from other countries as they would be missed plus the hundreds of other useful jobs they do too..

i've met more work shy, chavs, jobs from the UK than I have immigrants

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Well after a brief scan all I've found there is a few HMG fiscal statistics from 1999, the validity of which Migration Watch are challenging if you care to read their article and what it says about the assumptioms made in the Govt's calculations.

So, what's happened since 1999/2000? Mass economic migration from Eastern Europe. The long term fiscal effects of this won't be able to be determined until it is known how many of these people decide to settle here and what happens to the economy thereafter.

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Well that's a fair point but you'd expect that since the indigenous population far exceeds the migrant one.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Are these BBC and TUC reports inspired by Ruth Kelly by any chance?

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I've had a cursory glance as well, but what they are actually saying is that population growth in general tends to help the economy by creating more demand (page 10; the baby boom example is quite interesting). It also says that, because migrants tend to be young adults, they are less likely to use public services (i.e. they have already been educated), which plays a large part in them being net contributors). (page 19). Page 18 also gives data on net contributions during 2003/2004 (when on average more was taken out than was paid in, but this was particularly true of the natives)

Edit: figured out how to copy from that article

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The BBC are reporting on the TUC report, and a report takes time to make so I doubt it was inspired by Ruth Kelly.

Also, The Daily mail are a horrible, sorry excusive for a 'news'paper. That report is full of emotive words, when actually she is just asking councils provide pro-migrant information to stop, places like the Mail, printing lies in order in inflame tensions.

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The Mail seem to be more in touch than Ruth Kelly in my opinion.

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But who reads Ruth Kelly to get their news? News sources should not 'be in touch' with anyone in that kind of sense. Its not a club, or the Reactionist Xenophopic Weekly. Its a newspaper that uses emotion, selective use (or lack of use) of facts, misleading headlines, and use of images to suit their own agenda.

I.E The recent Scandel over the BAE contract, although Blair was one of the lesser people that could be blamed, they featured a big picture of him looking smug. A murder happened a few years ago which the Mail blamed on the game Manhunt, when it was pointed out by the police that the game was found in the victims bedroom, the mail ignored it and continued to attack this game that 'inspired a kid to murder' etc etc. Lets not forget the Winterval lies as well.

Anti-Immgration, Anti-Liberal, Anti-Muslim, Anti-BBC, Anti-Gaming, Anti-Truth. I Dont mind if people want to read something that agrees with them and is 'in touch' with people but I do mind it pretending to be a good source of news.

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I thought Blair was the one who effectively ended the Police investigation.

http://www.mingcampbell.org.uk/2007/...r-bae-scandal/

Do you also mind Blair pretending to be honest?

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Wasnt saying he was completely innocent in the scandal, but he wasnt in charge when it took place. The Mails attempt to position him as the main guy was a obvious attempt to take the blame away from the Tory government (although I, and i guess a many others, kind of suspected these kind of deals happen)

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But he is the sole reason nothing will be done about it! Curious logic - the Tories are to blame for doing it yet Bliar is less culpable when he and his 'whiter than white' cronies lived with it for years and then ended the investigation.

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This is getting off-topic but I was just pointing out the Mails attempt to remove the Tory Government from the story, and yes knowing about something and stopping the investigation is not as 'bad' as actually doing it. Although, these kind of things seem to go on in the world from all governments and I dont really care about the Torys/Labours involvment.

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You quote the TUC????? do me a favour, next you'll quote Stalin

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Funny that, thats the immpression I have too.
There needs to be a distiction made between Poles (who tend to work) and Kosavans, Serbs etc who have turned places such as dover into a no-go zone

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I thought it was Afghanis who turned Dover into a no-go zone, or are they no longer flavour of the month?

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Sounds like the BBC and the TUC

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Fraid not, its always been the Eastern Euros

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Never saw any when I was last there. Where abouts do they hang out?

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Pass, I only know our engineers are wary working out at night, and I know the BB's were full-up with them.... paid for by the great british tax payer
Are you that familiar with Dover?

O yeah, and the TV pics of a mass brawl outside Kent headend between Serbs and Croats

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We do digress but I don't really see very much distinction between actually setting something in motion as opposed to presiding over it and then, in the knowledge of what wrong has been done, quashing the official legal investigation into it. This is even more incredulous for someone who's come to power on an 'anti-sleaze', 'whiter than white' ticket.

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Yeah, there's an airsoft site down there.
Hang on, it sounds like you're getting asylum seekers mixed up with immigrants, easily done I know, so many people seem to do it.

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The BBC is a good source of news, some perceive a liberal bias and a anti-Israel bias but its nothing compared to the vemon spewed out by the Mail. Maybe its because the BBC dont treat races as a single entity?

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Funny you should mention that after I read this earlier today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...17/nbbc217.xml

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Yes, I know. But unlike a lot of other news companys the BBC asked the report be done. Its not as if the BBC chooses to be biased its just its staff tend to be liberal due to the industry

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All I have seen is, attempts to extort nationals out of their businesss by arson and other violence and even up to attempted kidnapping of business owners children, the moment you go to get support from the local constabulary out comes cards of false racist accusations.

The kosovons and albanians have chased the afro/carribeans out of the local druggy and get knifed for a £1 ghetto to the rundown estates on the outskirts of town. The Kosovons are mugging the indians aany religions for their gold. The albanians have took over the mugging cashpoint users amongst other similar crimes from the afro/carribeans.

Many of the local street racers are of indian descent driving subaru's etc with the huge fat exhausts and even fatter spoilers, boom box speakers that make the house shake and most of the time they rarely go and knock a door, its wack on the horn regardless of the time of day or night.

We awake almost every morning to the resounding noise of the nose and throat clearing exercise as the indians opposite go out in the morning, one of them even uses their front garden as a toilet. The behaviour is unbelievable and you cannot do anything about it, the moment you make any kind of complaint your racist **** with more fatwahs than salmon rushdi has on your head. We all know they want the houses next door for their friends and family and they dont mind dropping the areas value for a while to do it or behave in such a manner that most decent people will simply sell up and move on.

Of course my post is bound to be seen as racist but I can say one thing, my post is based on my own personal experience witnessing and suffering all these kind of events daily for the last 3 decades. No I am not saying all whites are angels, far from it, but at least when a white man tries it on you stand some chance as an adult of sticking up for yourself, when its other races theres no hope you will just never be in the right.

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I guess the TUC have gained their figures from companies they deal with who are responsible, above board and above all trustworthy.

Companies illegally employing migrant workers with no work permits and illegal passports will not be included in these figures. My area has very few immigrants, but its only a matter of months ago an Asian convenience store less than a quarter of a mile away was raided. They found and arrested somewhere in the region of 17 illegal immigrants (from memory) that were living above the shop, all smuggled in by the owner.

There have not been any follow on news reports about the incident. I also understand one of the local kebab houses is reputed to have a large number of immigrants living above the premises, and a few of these are working in the shop.

For every good piece of evidence there is bad evidence, and with the government having no idea how many illegal immigrants there are here its a little silly to portray a picture of all being well.

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Damien you come across as a bit gullible reading stories like this as gospel, 1.5million workers probably means 1.5million legit tax paying workers so will exclude all the illegal working immigrants and of course when they talk about the public services costs it probably excludes the costs of providing public services to non working immigrants and asylum seekers.

The fact they are saying it has little impact on wages is it no surprise that areas that have a high immigrant population also have the lowest wage levels in the country.

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Of course you not wrong, but where I disagree with you is you taking extremist views, are you saying there is only two options in that we either send every immigrant back and completely close the borders or we carry on having an open immigration policy, why not just limit immigration and make people claim asylum before they enter the uk?

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Interesting points about the education, what they forget to realise is immigrants are having more children per women then non immigrant women at current so of course in years to come there will be a future impact on the education system. no forward thinking in that report if thats how they concluded.

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I'm not quite sure if that argument holds. Firstly, many immigrants will bugger off after a few years. Secondly, if they put their children through full education here, the children are likely to remain here and pay their own taxes (i.e. they would be contributing as much as the average native briton (on average)).

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It isn't all good there is a company in Manchester who is bringing polish people in to work on refurbising computers. They rent rooms in a couple of large houses the company owns. Rent is take out of the wages before they are paid. This is so they can have cheap labour instead of employing british workers.

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I'd say there is already an impact on education. My son came home recently and told me that he hadn't learned much at school as his teacher was struggling to explain the lesson to some children who couldn't speak English.

This article suggests that this is becoming a widespread problem.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/10437

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Lets not foget, I know some people would like to, that children born to immigrants will grow up learning english and so won't have a problem at school.
Sorry, was that too obvious?

me283, sorry, I mean JackB, so easy to get you two mixed up, your son said he hadn't learnt much at school because the teacher was dealing with other kids?
Hell, that's school for you.
I didn't learn much in some lessons because of the less intelligent kids.
Thankfully, we had things called school books, which we were supposed to learn from, rather than being dictated to by a teacher and just regurgitate things parrot fashion, but hey, maybe your school doesn't do that.
What did the head teacher say when you discussed it with them?

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hThat has to be one of the most contentious posts I've read.
You can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, but the fact remains there are to many immigrants/asylum seekers in our country, and its causing bad feeling among even the most placid of English

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Most sensible post award for this one

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So because people are resentful towards foreigners, that's the foreigners fault?
Do you also believe that Islamists complaining about Rushdie getting a Knighthood are justified?
Or do you think that their resentment is their own responsibility?

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???
There are too many foreigners, period.
They are affecting the English way of life, is that the foreigners fault?? hell yes, and the wish washy Govts fault too.

As for Salmon Rushdie, he wrote a book ffs, so what?? Plenty books have been written about the Catholic Church, any death threats from the Pope?? thought not!

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So it's the foreigners fault that people are resentful of them being here, but it's the islamists fault that they are resentful about a book someone else wrote.
Tell me, if someone is homophobic, is it the homosexual community's fault, or the homophobe's fault for his homophobia?

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And the English are affecting the Welsh way of life too, is that your fault?

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If I was affecting your way off life, yes it would be, but I'm not, I dont live in Wales.. Your point is?
Dont you have your own assembly?? We the English dont

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Can you please define what the English way of life is?

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Just as daft as yours.

Yes you do, it's called Westminster which is infinately more powerful than what we've got - and is totally off-topic.

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What exactly is the 'English way of Life'. I am never to sure. Is it our strong history of Art and Media? Because we still excel and that, even more so with immgration since many young Asians and Indians are our artists, actors, comedians and writers and they release their work under the British name.

Is it our food? Because last time I checked Britain seems to enjoy the wide choice of food that came with Chinese and Indian immigration?

What part of our british way of life is being affected. Unless you mean in a positive sense and then I would agree with you.

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Lets get this thread back on track because as-per-usual the lefty, "cant see any wrong "brigade have made this yet another racial thread,,, boring!!!!!!!!!

Funny how you haven't addressed the other issues bought up in posts 30, 32, 33 and 34

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Dont be so naive,

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Dont use cliches such as *insert some here* brigade. I assure you, I belong to no Brigades. :disturbd: Also notice how i dont group everyone as 'rightys'. (although if I did it may come across as positive! :p:)

I am not being naive, I am asking a question. What is the British Life and what part of it is being affected.

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Slightly off-topic, but a light intermezzo:

Anyone tried getting a tourist visa to the UK lately?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6768405.stm

I wonder why this is? Are these tourists not contributing enough to the economy, or is it simply a case of 'we have too many tourists, period'? ;)

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"So, you want a tourist visa to visit the UK for tourism? Don't think we can have that, where would we be if we let tourists in?"

:rofl:

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Womble makes reference to an "English way of life" which I'm sure is different to a British way of life.

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To be fair, in both #44 and #46, we did ask Womble to define the English way of life, which he's yet to do, but assures us it's being "affected" by foreigners, just not how..

So Russ, being a foreigner, how are you affecting the English way of life? :D

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Our freedom of speech for starters, ask Salmon! We now have ghettos
Brixton was a nice place to go, its not now! Need I go on??


and--Funny how you haven't addressed the other issues bought up in posts 30, 32, 33 and 34

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So the English way of life is reliant on living in Brixton?
I'm pretty sure fish can't talk, but that's nothing to do with foreigners ;)
Salman on the other hand, unless you can prove otherwise, still has the freedom of speech, his books are still available, he can still appear in interviews (with his own voice, no actors required).
Actually, that's interesting, Jerry Adams' freedom of speech was curtailed wasn't it? But not by foreigners, but by our government, in a ludicrous way in that they could get an actor to say his lines for him!
So, I ask you again, what is the English way of life?

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Do we actually have a constitutionalised right to free speech? Can anyone find a link? Or is the whole freedom of speech thing just an American idea?

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very smarmy, but he lives in Port Talbot??? How's he a foreigner

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europea..._of_expression

The EU is good for something it seems.

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He's not English, therefore foreign to England, being Welsh, or are you accusing the Welsh of being English? I mean, I know Wales is really only a principality and not a proper country and all, but really, the Welsh are Welsh ;)

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He's a freakin terrorist, same as his sidekick McGuniess
But do tell what this has to do with migrant workers

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You're the one who linked migrant workers to loss of freedom of speech.

Worked out a definition for the English way of life yet?

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This thread is like a roundabout without any exits.............

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We have great freedom of speech, your saying all this stuff are you not? Rushdie not only was allowed to publish his books but also got protection to ensure he was safe saying it and now gets a knighthood. Brixdon? Who cares, the race roits were started by white people and not black people we should add.

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Am I? Silly me to engage such narrow minded people in a debate on how migrants effect employment.

And you STILL have not addressed the issues in posts 30, 32, 33 and 34. But then again you wont, cos it doensn't suit your agenda

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Xaccers, for a start who is me283?

I was speaking about a problem in schools with children who don't speak English. I've read some stories of teachers resorting to sign language to try and communicate. If the class are supposed to be listening to the teacher and she breaks off to try and explain what she's talking about to some other children, where does that leave the rest of the class?

You make school sound like it's a case of sitting at a desk reading all day. When I went to school we communicated with our teachers.

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dont be a fool, where you there? No? thought not.

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Where you?

I have read and heard about it and it was provoked by a white man shouting at a black man who was arguing with his girlfriend. Then white people from around london came from all around to start what became the roit.

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Sounds like the Oldham riots, after years of the police discriminating against the asian community, they started taking things into their own hands and not standing for trouble from white racists.
Loads of white racists were shipped in, and trouble was stirred up by the BNP and local rightwing groups and press.

Maybe the English way of life involves starting race riots? What do you think Womble, what's your definition of the English way of life?

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Heard, from who??
Sounds like crap to me. But my point was Brixton was, a dare i say it, Middle class, that was untill the immigrants moved in and wrecked it. Go for a walk down the frontline at midnight, dare you :devsmoke:

but this thread is getting boring, back on topic, the title is incorrect

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the problem is without any immigrants on this forum and with what seems like no posts from anyone who knows any there is very little unbiased or even properly formed comments from anyone.. it's all based on so called reporting from papers and web site links and considering I could create a web site in 5 mins and put it on the net with my own views and some figures it's hardly conclusive

as i said before i'm not sure if the UK could survive without the migrant works I know I rely on them heavily just to get into and out of the office

my friend is an immigrant, albiet from Austria rather than Eastern Europe, but I know she pays taxes and contributes to society and has integrated very well but TBH i've no real idea if they are all like here and the ones I see on a day to day basis

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They wont answer you, it doesnt suit their agenda

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Why? What inaccuracies/omissions are there in the report that Damien linked to?

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Rubbish.

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How long ago are we talking about Brixton being middle class, and trouble free from the immigrants?

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Mines not, thank you. I have seen areas that where once nice neighbourhoods wrecked by unchecked immigration
One estate where I live is full of Portuguese. All signing on, all housed by the council, but hey it makes us better people

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I would not walk in any deprived areas at night without hesitation. Poverty breeds crime, not colour or race.

I read from many places, the latest being the History of Britain Documentry series on the BBC. But History books also confirm these events

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brixton_riot_(1981)

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erm that says Black youth?? being arrested so they rioted??!?!?!
W

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???

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I'm technically an immigrant (been here since 1975 tho) and most of my friends are 'immigrants' too.

Where I work the majority of the temps are immigrants (South Africans, Aussies, Albanians, a Lituanina and some Poles)

I think a lot of people on this forum know immigrants personally hence the discussions.

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The title "Migrant workers help UK economy" is wrong. How do they help? Theres 3 million unemployed, so no need to import workers is there. They are laso driving prices down for the working man, cos they dont pay tax etc.

But I'm bored of this thread now

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Oh he's someone who's very similar to you, has an afinity for a certain ballerina, and a tendancy to deny the BNP are racist.
You know how it is, two people, a bit similar, getting their names mixed up, that's all.

you make it sound like they're only in one class for the entire day, and only learn things via dictation.
Exactly how hold is your son?

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Have you read the report? It actually attempts to show this is not the case? Now, you may disagree with that, but I'd be interested to hear why (rather than just saying 'there's too many, period'.

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Well, I am guessing that is after the intial fight. The the black community got wound up when they saw the stabbed black man, then the white people from around london arrived and full-scale riot happened/

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You suggested that immigrants were affecting the English way of life through denying freedom of speech didn't you?

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happy to be corrected on that score then.. just shows you can't know everything

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The report and news article says why.Besides, Post-War Britain was built with the help of Irish Immigrants

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Womble, could a lot of the 3 million unemployed be made up of workshy English natives that do not want to work. What about all the English single mums who are unemployed? And the dole spongers that happen to be English too?

I dont think we can just quote the unemployment figure and say that immigrant workers dont help the UK economy. They are a source of cheap labour, yes, but I would not say thats the majority of immigrants. Most of the ones I know still pay the market rent. Not all immigrants live 10 to a room/house etc etc.

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He's ten years old but I don't understand what that's got to do with it. This isn't just about my son, as I said earlier this is becoming a problem in many towns and cities with large immigrant populations. Did you read the article I linked to earlier?

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I'm an immigrant as well.

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What nationality? Most immgration is slow, it hasnt gone up that drastically in the last 10 years. Most schools kids from immgrant familys would have been born here.

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An there is the challenge that this government has failed to rise to. Get the spongers off benefits and get them working rather than let in loads of foreign workers.

Now that really would help the UK economy.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4218740.stm

http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/Brie...statistics.asp

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/immigration1.html

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Africans, asians and eastern europeans in my town and my son is in class with all of these nationalities. It's the same in other areas of the country too. Some of these kids who were born here don't speak English at home, they only have to speak and understand English at school so they're obviously not as fluent.

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#30
Nitronutter refers to the race card several times, and even fatwas. Suggests he's exaggerating or at least not made any effort to deal with unacceptable behaviour.
Someone using their front garden as a toilet is a criminal offence (indecency) and a serious health hazard that the council will deal with. Both can be reported anonymously.

#32
Chrysalis refers to an open immigration policy, when that isn't the case. It's apparently not even that easy to get a tourist visa to come and visit the UK for tourism!
There's also the suggestion that there will be a language barrier strain on education as immigrants have more children than natives (I assume that by natives, Chrysalis is not including native muslims, catholics, chavs, orthadox jews etc), even though children born in this country to immigrant parents can speak english before they get to school through the amazing ability of children to learn languages, even from TV (I knew a turkish boy who by the age of 4 could speak fluent american thanks to Seseme street).

#33
I agree with, migrants either work a couple of years then go, or stay and settle putting their kids through the education system, paying tax as they work, and when their kids grow up, they'll do the same.

#34
Importing Poles to work in low paid jobs.
Well, if the local workforce are unwilling to work in that role for minimum wage, then from a business point of view, you have to get workers who are willing.
Keeps profits up enough to keep prices low enough for consumers to buy.
After all, if a business had high running costs, they'd have to have higher retail prices, and you'd have less money in your pocket, or would buy a cheaper imported product I'm sure.

So, now all that's been addressed, are you going to give us your definition of what the English way of life is?

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What did his head teacher say when you raised your concern with them?

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Might be off topic, but regarding Brixton. I have lived in south london for 30 years, close to Brixton.

In the 80s from my experience a lot of crime in Brixton(and surrounding areas eg Tulse Hill, Streatham, Herne Hill) was committed by young black males, most if not all who were born here. The crime Im talking about is muggings/street crime.

I don't think this could have been attributed to the immigrants moving into South London (large Asian/Indian population were residing there), as most of us were too scared to venture into Brixton.

I do not think its fair to attribute crime in Brixton to immigrants. Brixton was a pretty run down area in the 70s/80s. its only in the last 10 years that a lot of regeneration has happened. Same with Elephant Castle, Oval, Stockwell.

Most of the crime in this area is attributed to 'home grown' youth, not eastern europeans or other immigrants.

As for the riots, I wasn't aware of the manner in which they started, but I do know, talking to quite a few black men who grew up in the area and participated in the riots, that a lot of the rioters were English, and most of it was down to a sense of harrasement and being felt as to belonging to society.

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I haven't seen his head teacher and if I had she would more than likely tell me that this is becoming a widespread problem, which I already know.

An example.
http://www.tes.co.uk/search/story/?story_id=2291810

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Hang on, it's a really bad thing as far as you're concerned, bad enough to mention it as a reason why immigration is bad, yet you aren't bothered enough to discuss the matter with the school itself?
How very interesting.

So the gist of the story is that there aren't enough Catholic faith schools for the influx of Catholics from around the world.

Oh with regards to the express article, did you read it as "HALF of all school children in many of Britain's biggest cities do not speak English as their first language, an alarming report has revealed"

Or did you drop the "many of Britain's biggest cities" because it's a bit obvious that big cities would have large non-native populations forgetting that it says "many" rather than "all" or "most", and also forget that if English isn't someone's first language, it doesn't mean they aren't fluent in it?

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There can be no doubt that mass immigration (especially that of non Englsih speakers) puts additional strain on public resources in those areas most affected by it. This is not the fault of the people concerned but it is a fact that they usually require considerable additional help and services. Were the government willing/able to identify problem areas and provide the necessary additional resources to cope with the extra demand and thereby reduce the impact on the local indigenous population there'd be fewer problems. But as we can see from the following:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/b...re/6649049.stm

that's not always what happens.

Of course there are arguments re the pros and cons of mass immigration but let's not try to claim there is no adverse effect.

From what I can see, the government still has little real idea as to how many legal immigrants have come here over the last decade and how many remain. Less so the figures for illegal immigration. It has no clue what the hundreds of thousands of Poles who've come here in the last 2 years intend to do in the future and how many may decide to settle here, bring their families and require specialist services such as schooling. Until it gets to grip with these issues and provides the additional resources required to cope with the demand there will continue to be problems.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1812940.ece

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I'm not in a big city and we have the problem here as many other towns that aren't mentioned in the article do to some extent.

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Wouldn't know, you're too paranoid to tell us which town you live in ;)

So why haven't you taken this issue up with your child's head teacher?

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Wasn't that particular book pretty blasphemous towards Christianity as well?