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Gareth 07-06-2007 18:13
Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
http://society.guardian.co.uk/health...097730,00.html

Quote:
Footballers and their social conscience are under the spotlight tonight in the Channel 4 programme The Million Pound Footballers' Giveaway, which follows the efforts of economist Noreena Hertz as she attempts to persuade all 556 Premiership footballers to donate one day's wages in support of low-paid nurses.

Nurses, among the lowest-paid professionals in the public sector, have an average wage of £24,841, compared with a national average of £28,941.

Premiership footballers, on the other hand, are among some of the highest-paid workers in the private sector, earning an average of £12,300 a week. Next season, Premiership wages collectively are expected to break the £1bn barrier.
Channel 4 at 9pm if anyone's interested.

gazzae 07-06-2007 18:46
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Saw a preview where she thinks Giggs is English.

I thought she was a nurse but it says she is an economist.

peanut 07-06-2007 19:54
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
There was a vote on GMTV this morning about this, over 60-70% of people would NOT give up one day of their wages. (Joe public).

I don't hide the fact that most nurses today have lost the true meaning of caring today.

They also earn a decent wage, but most nurses expect a lot more. The avg wage for a nurse is £21-28k, I don't think a qualified nurse gets under £19k, and I know that money hungry nurses can get above £24k quite easily without too much trouble. Bank nurses can demand £100+ a shift (night).

I know nurses that have 2-3 foreign holidays a year and have a very nice house. I also know nurses that can't get on the property ladder (but who can).

They plead poverty all the time, they earn enough I can tell you, and when you hear "they can't even afford petrol money to get to work" from the person who's running this 'charitable' event to me is a joke.

It's a case of having to give their wages (I know they won't miss one day etc, but it's the principle), if they don't then they will be scorned at.

And yes I know a lot of people within the medical profession.

When you sign up to become a nurse, you are told the basic wage, avg wage, possible wage, and it's up to them if they sign on the dotted line. They sign, they qualify, then they moan and complain. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 20:54 ---------- Previous post was at 20:26 ----------

I think a lot of people would be very happy on £24k a year, and I don't think they'd say "Can't afford petrol to get to work". Or have a need to take on 3 other jobs at the same time. (Unless £40k a year still ain't enough for those poor nurses who think that way).

punky 07-06-2007 20:10
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
I earn well, well below 19k/year. I don't suppose they'd donate me a day's wages. IT isn't as glamorous as nursing I guess.

Don't get me wrong nurses are fantastic and do a much needed job, but so do the police, fire brigade, army, etc and normally under much worse circumstances.

If I had premiership footballers' money, I wouldn't mind donating a days wages as I could afford it, but i'd donate it to a charity such as NSPCC/Childline or Cancer Research.

Hugh 07-06-2007 20:40
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Here's what it is actually for -
A total of 255 players pledged a day's wage, raising £750,000 towards a hardship fund for nurses who get into financial difficulties in the first few years of their career.

superbiatch 07-06-2007 20:52
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
I'm annoyed that its only nurses who get recognition of doing a good job. Without a good support network of office staff (the backbone of any health service), cleaners, health care assistants - not to mention the overpaid doctors and consultants (sorry salu ;))

Anyone fancy giving up a days wages for me in my measley unrewarding NHS office job? :erm:

I'm sick to death of hearing about nurses moaning about being underpaid, a lot of professions are - get used to it! :rolleyes:

jkat 07-06-2007 21:03
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34323521)
I'm annoyed that its only nurses who get recognition of doing a good job. Without a good support network of office staff (the backbone of any health service), cleaners, health care assistants - not to mention the overpaid doctors and consultants (sorry salu ;))

Anyone fancy giving up a days wages for me in my measley unrewarding NHS office job? :erm:

I'm sick to death of hearing about nurses moaning about being underpaid, a lot of professions are - get used to it! :rolleyes:
totally agree and what about those on minimum wage?

gazzae 07-06-2007 21:04
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
She started to irritate me towards the end. "I'll tell you something Bono once taught me"

Mark Hughes comes up and she says "who are you?".

NoKnowledge 07-06-2007 21:30
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Does anyone know if this is repeated? - damn Sky+ failed recording "Technical Fault 12"

Hustle failed as well but I know that, that isn't repeated.

superbiatch 07-06-2007 21:31
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoKnowledge (Post 34323540)
Does anyone know if this is repeated? - damn Sky+ failed recording "Technical Fault 12"
Or for those who are too poor to afford V+ and has only just got in from their low-paid NHS job? ;)

Stuart 07-06-2007 21:32
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 34323521)
I'm annoyed that its only nurses who get recognition of doing a good job. Without a good support network of office staff (the backbone of any health service), cleaners, health care assistants - not to mention the overpaid doctors and consultants (sorry salu ;))

Anyone fancy giving up a days wages for me in my measley unrewarding NHS office job? :erm:

I'm sick to death of hearing about nurses moaning about being underpaid, a lot of professions are - get used to it! :rolleyes:
This is true, and something that has always irratated me. People champion the causes of the Nurses and doctors in the NHS, but totally ignore the plight of the office staff, cleaners, porters, engineers, maintenance staff, catering staff etc, without whom the NHS would not be able to function. What good would Nurses be able to do if the wards were not clean,the equipment failed and the patients had no food?

And, yes, my mum and I both worked in our local hospital in support roles.

Hom3r 07-06-2007 21:41
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IMHO most footballers could give a weeks wages and not even notice the loss of cash

budwieser 07-06-2007 22:10
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34323440)
There was a vote on GMTV this morning about this, over 60-70% of people would NOT give up one day of their wages. (Joe public).

I don't hide the fact that most nurses today have lost the true meaning of caring today.

They also earn a decent wage, but most nurses expect a lot more. The avg wage for a nurse is £21-28k, I don't think a qualified nurse gets under £19k, and I know that money hungry nurses can get above £24k quite easily without too much trouble. Bank nurses can demand £100+ a shift (night).

I know nurses that have 2-3 foreign holidays a year and have a very nice house. I also know nurses that can't get on the property ladder (but who can).

They plead poverty all the time, they earn enough I can tell you, and when you hear "they can't even afford petrol money to get to work" from the person who's running this 'charitable' event to me is a joke.

It's a case of having to give their wages (I know they won't miss one day etc, but it's the principle), if they don't then they will be scorned at.

And yes I know a lot of people within the medical profession.

When you sign up to become a nurse, you are told the basic wage, avg wage, possible wage, and it's up to them if they sign on the dotted line. They sign, they qualify, then they moan and complain. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 20:54 ---------- Previous post was at 20:26 ----------

I think a lot of people would be very happy on £24k a year, and I don't think they'd say "Can't afford petrol to get to work". Or have a need to take on 3 other jobs at the same time. (Unless £40k a year still ain't enough for those poor nurses who think that way).
Err,:rolleyes:
My wife works as a Healthcare assistant in a Mental Hospital and her basic is
£15000 per annum including the allowances for unsocial hours ie bank holidays, christmas, new years eve etc, i think she would be more than happy to have a basic salary of £24000.:dozey:

NoKnowledge 07-06-2007 22:11
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34323547)
IMHO most footballers could give a weeks wages and not even notice the loss of cash
Don't know about that - my mate is a taxi driver and he had Patrick Kluivert in his car, and he was arguing over a £6 fare with my mate and his friends (Kluivert) mentioned he's a footballer and he should pay but he didn't and walked out the taxi and his friends ended up paying and they were short by a few pennies.

Maggy 07-06-2007 22:15
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Hmm! I barely made £9000 last year...

Ah well I'm happy(ish).

peanut 07-06-2007 22:17
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by budwieser (Post 34323581)
Err,:rolleyes:
My wife works as a Healthcare assistant in a Mental Hospital and her basic is
£15000 per annum including the allowances for unsocial hours ie bank holidays, christmas, new years eve etc, i think she would be more than happy to have a basic salary of £24000.:dozey:
Is she a nurse?

And I bet she works her backside off too. I've not heard them (HCAs) kick up a fuss though. Same with all the other unsung staff in hospitals that keep them ticking over. Lab assistants, path lab staff that work long hours for £10-11k. I've missed them moaning about the pay as well. (Maybe they should kick up a fuss instead).

Locky 08-06-2007 13:01
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
1 day... lol...

Hugh 08-06-2007 13:14
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34323589)
Is she a nurse?

And I bet she works her backside off too. I've not heard them (HCAs) kick up a fuss though. Same with all the other unsung staff in hospitals that keep them ticking over. Lab assistants, path lab staff that work long hours for £10-11k. I've missed them moaning about the pay as well. (Maybe they should kick up a fuss instead).
Not quite sure where you are coming from - just because other staff are less well paid, how does that weaken the fact that nurses are underpaid? (imho - and btw, I know quite a few nurses and doctors, and I don't know any nurses who go on three foreign holidays a year - doctors, yes; nurses, no).

That's like saying a man who has lost a leg in an accident shouldn't complain, because someone else lost two legs........

TheDaddy 09-06-2007 12:38
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanutkp (Post 34323440)
I don't hide the fact that most nurses today have lost the true meaning of caring today.
From what I have seen, I'd agree with that, for every good one, there are several whose attitude's reek of 'can't be bothered', the job just doesn't seem to be a vocation for a lot of them anymore

etccarmageddon 09-06-2007 13:00
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34324755)
From what I have seen, I'd agree with that, for every good one, there are several whose attitude's reek of 'can't be bothered', the job just doesn't seem to be a vocation for a lot of them anymore
absolutely. having seen the disgraceful passive abuse my family have experienced at Wythenshawe hospital from the nursing staff I fully agree. by passive abuse I mean, for example.... I visited a close family member and found their catheter bag completely full of urine on many occasions. I would notify a nurse - HOURS later they would do something about it. This same person was on a special diet - this didn't stop them time and time again giving him the wrong food and drinks until I eventually lost my cool and told them that if this resulted in the death of this person then I'd have them on a manslaughter charge.


nurses are getting a below inflation pay rise this year - something like 2.5% in 2 stages because their union doesn't have any infuence over labour. how does that motivate the good ones to do a good job?

superbiatch 09-06-2007 16:29
Re: Footballers Donating a Day's Pay for Nurses
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34324765)
nurses are getting a below inflation pay rise this year - something like 2.5% in 2 stages because their union doesn't have any infuence over labour. how does that motivate the good ones to do a good job?
Its not just nurses, its all NHS staff who are getting a measley 2.5% payrise :rolleyes: (although i'm not sure about Doctors as i think they are on a different pay scheme to us).

I work with nurses and it doesn't seem to be a vocation like it used to be many years ago. People did it then for the love of the job and because they cared. It seems now all they do it for is the money and then moan they don't get enough! I understand you have to be able to detach yourself because people come and go (in different ways), but sometimes they seem so heartless.

I'm sorry for your experience by the way, i have been on the receiving end myself with my own family :erm:

peanut 09-06-2007 19:10
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Thank you for the unbiased opinions based upon your own personal experiences.

When I say nurses don't care today, I can't mean that all nurses don't care. I also DON'T mean that all nurses DO NOT deserve the money they are on now.

I'm a regular 'in patient' and I'm in hospitals slightly more often than most (under statement), I was married to a nurse, I have friends in hospital management, Doctors, Midwifery and all types of staff within the NHS (and private).

I've been on wards where I've had more care from the tea lady (much much appreciated) whilst the nurses just didn't seem to care at all as they didn't want to demean themselves.

But today's nurses aren't satisfied with what they sign up for. They also now demand respect and a pay to go with it and if they don't get it then patient care suffers for it. They think they are above the position they are in and trained for (HCAs now do what nurses used to do and without the respect they deserve).

I speak to nurses / friendsall the time and they even agree as it's an ongoing subject and because they are in a position to be heard they know they can exploit it.

And to be honest I was expected to get lynched by speaking my mind about a 'touchy' subject. Because the nursing profession 'was' once such a respected voacation that nothing bad could be said about them (Angels).


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