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BBKing 07-06-2007 06:58

Appalling stuff from the Daily Express
 
What possible journalistic justification is there for this filth?
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...m+%27crisis%27
Quote:


RACE trouble is being predicted because of an ethnic baby boom in one of Britain’s major cities.

A third of babies being born in Sheffield are to ethnic minority families, an official report has revealed.

This is creating a major population shift in the South Yorkshire city, raising concern among community leaders that simmering tensions could erupt in riots similar to those that have blighted Bradford and Oldham.
Ethnic minority babies = race riots. Interestingly, the ethnic minorities mentioned include the Irish...

jkat 07-06-2007 08:01

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mmmm...rioting babies, ee by gum they start em off young up north!:erm:

just the usual express rubbish stiring up race hate.

TheNorm 07-06-2007 08:06

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The article borders on irresponsible journalism, as a read of the "reader's comments" clearly shows. However, I like this bit:

Quote:

The minority Labour council also wants a broader debate on what it means to be a Sheffielder in the 21st century – identifying responsibilities and shared values.

These could include a pledge that parents should take an active interest in their children’s education and a promise that all citizens should be able to speak and write English well.
I reckon this pledge (or was it a promise?) will make half the "white British" residents tremble.

Locky 08-06-2007 13:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34322937)
The article borders on irresponsible journalism, as a read of the "reader's comments" clearly shows. However, I like this bit:



I reckon this pledge (or was it a promise?) will make half the "white British" residents tremble.

nope, just more angry in the build up...

it is disgusting how fast they are multiplying in a country they do not belong, one day the rest of u idiot brits will wake up..

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2007 13:05

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they?

Hugh 08-06-2007 13:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324017)
nope, just more angry in the build up...

it is disgusting how fast they are multiplying in a country they do not belong, one day the rest of u idiot brits will wake up..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34324018)
they?

Probably talking about me, as I am from a foreign country (Sconny Botland), and have been married twice and had four children - trying to outbreed the Sassenachs, you see :D

But, as my previous and my incumbent wife are English, does that mean, in fact, I am adding to the "English" population?

Ooooh, my head hurts...........

Xaccers 08-06-2007 13:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34324018)
they?

They, as in the white British who have trouble speaking and writing English properly I guess.
Bit harsh to say they don't belong though, chavs must have some use right?
I mean, who else is going to buy all that Elizabeth Duke jewellery?

Locky 08-06-2007 13:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324023)
They, as in the white British who have trouble speaking and writing English properly I guess.
Bit harsh to say they don't belong though, chavs must have some use right?
I mean, who else is going to buy all that Elizabeth Duke jewelley?

chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2007 13:16

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Ahh chavs - Um..... Useful for..... Um...... Keeping the dole office in buisiness :)

I know this, there were plenty there when I was signing on (wonder if that makes me a chav!!!!!)

Hugh 08-06-2007 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324027)
chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

Oh

My

God!!!!!

:Yikes:

run, run, before the ethnic cleansers arrive.

We could be in Serbia, almost...........

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2007 13:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324027)
chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

Invaders?

Tell me can anyone be as deluded as you or does it take a special sort of person?

Pia 08-06-2007 13:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 34322937)
I reckon this pledge (or was it a promise?) will make half the "white British" residents tremble.

I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....:shrug:

By the way, i'm not racist, and i don't preach or rant about the immigrants/muslims/state of the world today etc, but i kind of agree with Locky (in post 4), i don't fancy the idea of being in the minority one day, as a white brit.

Locky 08-06-2007 13:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34324032)
Invaders?

Tell me can anyone be as deluded as you or does it take a special sort of person?

it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

would love to stay and chat, but i have palces to go friends to see, fresh air to breathe, u might like to do the same

Hugh 08-06-2007 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34324032)
Invaders?

Tell me can anyone be as deluded as you or does it take a special sort of person?

No, I think you have to be "special" like him. ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324036)
it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

would love to stay and chat, but i have palces to go friends to see, fresh air to breathe, u might like to do the same

And luckily, Locky, you just manage to meet the criteria........:D

btw, you would need at least two brain cells, otherwise how would you develop a synapse?

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2007 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324036)
it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

If I have to comprehend the world as you do then I am very glad can't have any then.

You carry on, I like what you post as it shows how truly silly you really are.

Xaccers 08-06-2007 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pia (Post 34324035)
I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....:shrug:

By the way, i'm not racist, and i don't preach or rant about the immigrants/muslims/state of the world today etc, but i kind of agree with Locky (in post 4), i don't fancy the idea of being in the minority one day, as a white brit.

Do you realise that there are more white Brits abroad than immigrants in the UK?
Does that make you feel better?
Bit of a demonstration of how far away from being a minority we actually are.
So relax, no need to panic, there are many many more white British people in the UK than immigrants.

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2007 13:23

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...unless we are invaded from within or without of course ;)

Damien 08-06-2007 13:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pia (Post 34324035)
I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....:shrug:

By the way, i'm not racist, and i don't preach or rant about the immigrants/muslims/state of the world today etc, but i kind of agree with Locky (in post 4), i don't fancy the idea of being in the minority one day, as a white brit.

Locky is only intrested in a race war, his constant comments regarding a delusional battle between them and him (those of us who are not racist are going to perish with 'them') show this.

White British people make up over 90 to 95% of the population, then its black british people. Immigrants, Asians, etc etc are less than 5% there is no chance of being in the minority.

Pia 08-06-2007 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324043)
White British people make up over 90 to 95% of the population, then its black british people. Immigrants, Asians, etc etc are less than 5% there is no chance of being in the minority.

I only meant if what tht daft article says is true about Sheffield and it happens everywhere then in say, 25 years the immingrants outnumber the british then i'd have an issue! But that's hypothetically, i know you're right and that it probably will never happen.

Anyway my only issue with immigrants is when they come over here and complain about the way we live and are offended by everything to the point where things need to be changed to deal with that, but again that's another typical example i think of media hype and as people have said before it's usually the brits who are too scared of offending that cause those issues. The way i see it if i were from a different culture i'd expect to fit in with the country which i lived in and not expect them to fit around me.

Hugh 08-06-2007 13:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324043)
Locky is only intrested in a race war, his constant comments regarding a delusional battle between them and him (those of us who are not racist are going to perish with 'them') show this.

White British people make up over 90 to 95% of the population, then its black british people. Immigrants, Asians, etc etc are less than 5% there is no chance of being in the minority.

Perhaps this might help (hate to bring facts into a thread, but they sometimes help ;)) - it might be while yet before "we", whoever "we" are, are in a minority (if we are all British, how can anyone be in a minority?)
ONS
Population Size
7.9% from a minority ethnic group

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jtwn 08-06-2007 13:45

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What are we supposed to expect from a paper that calls it self 'The World's Greatest'.

Back in the day, I always used to immediately dislike any house I delivered that rag to on my paper round.

Nugget 08-06-2007 13:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jtwn (Post 34324055)
What are we supposed to expect from a paper that calls it self 'The World's Greatest'.

Back in the day, I always used to immediately dislike any house I delivered that rag to on my paper round.

Well, it is the worlds greatest 'string 'em up or kick 'em out' advocate...

Xaccers 08-06-2007 13:58

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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34324068)
Well, it is the worlds greatest 'string 'em up or kick 'em out' advocate...

Isn't that the Mail?

Stuart 08-06-2007 14:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324036)
it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

would love to stay and chat, but i have palces to go friends to see, fresh air to breathe, u might like to do the same

Yet, perhaps ironically, you are still showing as online some 34 minutes after you posted that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324070)
Isn't that the Mail?


Probably. The express tends to specialise in "Diana Death:New Evidence of Cover Up" type stories.

Damien 08-06-2007 14:05

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34324077)
Probably. The express tends to specialise in "Diana Death:New Evidence of Cover Up" type stories.

Theres a joke somewhere about going back in time and the headline being "Diana to be born in 18 years" or something.

Paul 08-06-2007 14:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34324077)
Yet, perhaps ironically, you are still showing as online some 34 minutes after you posted that.

Quote:

Last Activity: Today 14:21
Don't forget our timeout is 45 mins ;)

Nugget 08-06-2007 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324070)
Isn't that the Mail?

Good Bod, no - I've never seen the Mail being lenient enough to actually just kick 'em out...

Hugh 08-06-2007 14:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34324068)
Well, it is the worlds greatest 'string 'em up or kick 'em out' advocate...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34324091)
Good Bod, no - I've never seen the Mail being lenient enough to actually just kick 'em out...

As Nug says, I think you will find the Mail advocates "string 'em up and kick 'em out" (best to be safe than sorry, or the next headline would be "immigrant zombies taking our graveyards").

etccarmageddon 08-06-2007 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324017)
nope, just more angry in the build up...

it is disgusting how fast they are multiplying in a country they do not belong, one day the rest of u idiot brits will wake up..

surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

Hugh 08-06-2007 15:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34324175)
surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

Abso-bloomin'-lutely. :tu:

Very good point, very well made.

Damien 08-06-2007 15:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34324175)
surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

:tu:

Exclude people from society, ignore and vilify them and they began to take to morph into the person society is telling they are. Be it terrorists or teenagers who end up shooting people at their school

Xaccers 08-06-2007 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34324175)
surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

The problem is, the single brain celled "special" people (to use Locky's description) believe the best way to remove the "us/them" attitude is to deport "them"

Hugh 08-06-2007 16:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324184)
The problem is, the single brain celled "special" people (to use Locky's description) believe the best way to remove the "us/them" attitude is to deport "them"

Funnily enough, according to research late last year by the IPPR, there are 1 million UK pensioners living abroad, and a total of 5.5 million Brits who have been living abroad for a year or more.

What happens if "their" Lockys start deporting "us"? ;)

Xaccers 08-06-2007 16:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34324192)
Funnily enough, according to research late last year by the IPPR, there are 1 million UK pensioners living abroad, and a total of 5.5 million Brits who have been living abroad for a year or more.

What happens if "their" Lockys start deporting "us"? ;)

Ah but you're forgetting they're British, so what country wouldn't want them? :D

popper 08-06-2007 17:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jefferson T (Post 34324018)
they?

them Sheffielder's, didnt you read it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324027)
chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

well india(call centers), china(IT), and america(aircraft engines etc) dont seem to be doing to badly profiting off the invaders.....

sure, the native american indians havent had their day yet, but give it time....., they have shown the invaders that gambling centers are the way forward to both mass profit and keep the locals poor and addicted after all.

do you know your UK family tree locky?, how far back have you gone....

if you go back and deport your great,great,great grandad, does that mean you will never have your view of the world....?

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Originally Posted by Pia (Post 34324035)
I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....:shrug:

sure , i think i take your point.., that being, are all the temp teaching force, that are the majority of upper school teachers today in the low income/deprived area's, good enough at teaching these deprived familys/kids the required long term life skills....

these multilingual kids will have to still do the same tasks, and so become far more bored in english rather than their native parents native language (scottish/welsh/irish/french etc) while the longer time english born familys kids struggle to learn peace meal, once they get to upper school.... and the temp teaching culture maggie and toney/gardon favour.

however,i assume you also teach your kids and dont leave it mainly in the hands the current UK schools system ?.

Quote:

By the way, i'm not racist, and i don't preach or rant about the immigrants/muslims/state of the world today etc, but i kind of agree with Locky (in post 4), i don't fancy the idea of being in the minority one day, as a white brit.
sure, again you dont fancy being in the minority,understandable, try being a single parent male....; and be thankful how good woman really have it....

as far as im concerned , theres one race, and thats the human race.

all this your family tree came from a hot country and so your black, or your family tree came from a cold country so your white is bull, and just another excuse to place blame and make yourself (not you personally pia, just generally)feel better.

perfect example, Big Brother and playing the racist card, take another good look at the footage, and see all of them playing the game..., their out to win, and use any advantage they can, the same is true in real life....

the same was true in the witch hunter days, and many other long forgotten days...

downquark1 08-06-2007 17:28

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If there are so many are they still a minority?

Its often been said that racial differences will be eliminated as we "interbreed" forming a completely 'mixed race'.

This is the equivalent of some US right-wing commentators urging white Americans to have more children in order to counteract the Hispanic growth.

popper 08-06-2007 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 34324257)
If there are so many are they still a minority?

Its often been said that racial differences will be eliminated as we "interbreed" forming a completely 'mixed race'.

This is the equivalent of some US right-wing commentators urging white Americans to have more children in order to counteract the Hispanic growth.

if we all stayed in africa were we all started and never migrated, then we would all be black i suppose, back to the future!.

Damien 08-06-2007 18:06

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I am pretty sure we were all black 'at the start' anyway. White people seem to be another race that came out of that line and somehow took power early one. Leading to racism and the feeling morons have that white people are some how superior.

Xaccers 08-06-2007 18:10

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Racism is an extention of tribalism.
Course racists don't like it when you point out they have more in common with tribesmen than normal people have ;)

Womble 08-06-2007 18:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324181)
:tu:

Exclude people from society, ignore and vilify them and they began to take to morph into the person society is telling they are. Be it terrorists or teenagers who end up shooting people at their school

mm interesting, cant wait for you to embrace Locky :cool:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324282)
Racism is an extension of tribalism.
Course racists don't like it when you point out they have more in common with tribesmen than normal people have ;)

Absolutely, and after 2 million years do you think its going to be easy to stamp out? Hell no! But the powers that be keep throwing different races in together and bang on about living in harmony!!!
The fairly intelligent ones tolerate each other, even get on, but the majority stick to there own. This increases mistrust on both sides. When will the do-gooders admit racial harmony aint gonna happen for a few 100 years yet, and stop forcing it on people.
2nd Comment: all figures used are usually from the 2002 consensus, well out of date!
3rd: Some parts of large towns are majority Indian/Pakistani/West Indian (Delete as Necessary).
If you, as white person live there your perception will be differant to, say someone who lives in a nice white area, say Kent

popper 08-06-2007 18:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324036)
it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

would love to stay and chat, but i have palces to go friends to see, fresh air to breathe, u might like to do the same

i wont take the same view as everyone else so far, dont go away just yet, as id like to try and understand your view.

it seems you have a view that we are being invaded, let me tell you as someone that also lives here, its the council that have already sold off the masses of schools and the shops for even more housing that we dont need that we should be putting our energys into, not invaders.

these new shoebox houses then have new familys move in, and need local schools and shops to go to and work in.

never mind..., the council members made a nice one time killing, and took the cash for investment in their personal pet projects etc elsewere, no new schools were built or even extensions added to the current overrun schools in these run down area's though, how could they , they dont own the land to expand anymore....

civic, what a joke of a main shopping center today.

so locky , given the above, why do you have the view you do?.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jtwn (Post 34324055)
What are we supposed to expect from a paper that calls it self 'The World's Greatest'.

Back in the day, I always used to immediately dislike any house I delivered that rag to on my paper round.

ohh so your a paperist then.;)

Chris 08-06-2007 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324027)
chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

/ponders suspending posting rights as Locky's CF account has obviously been hacked by a deluded fascist with dangerously violent tendencies


:erm:

popper 08-06-2007 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 34324200)
Ah but you're forgetting they're British, so what country wouldn't want them? :D

Argentine malvinas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands
"The islands are a self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom, but have been the subject of a claim to sovereignty by Argentina since the British invasion of 1833.[3]"

BBKing 08-06-2007 19:08

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Quote:

I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....
Actually, there's an example of this four doors away at the primary school my son's going to go to - it's got a fairly high intake of non-English as first language children (from all over the place, particularly East Africa) and apparently (according to the headmistress) they get to exactly the same level in a year (so much so that their results are indistinguishable from native English speakers). The school's one of the top 200 in the country on last years results, which were admittedly exceptional. The key is probably that it's quite a well off area and a well-managed and resourced school.

Children learn fast, particularly when given help and encouraged to mix. It's quite common round here to see an Asian woman in full headscarf etc. chatting to her offspring in her own language and being answered in a broad Lahndan accent, innit. Knowing more than one language should be an advantage, anyway.

Back to the Express - the article was a mashup of an article in the Sheffield Star, which was based on a council report that says the opposite of what the Express is trying to make out - namely that Sheffield is a multicultural city and *it works very well, thank you*. The council want to keep things that way.

Apparently the press office is fed up with the Express, which they think didn't read the report before going to press. Now, is it the council 'throwing different races together', in Womble's charming phrase, or the Express grossly misrepresenting a report they haven't read as effectively BNP propaganda that's acting in the irresponsible manner?

http://5cc.blogspot.com/2007/06/expr...ing.html#links

Womble 08-06-2007 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BBKing (Post 34324331)
Now, is it the council 'throwing different races together', in Womble's charming phrase, or the Express grossly misrepresenting a report they haven't read as effectively BNP propaganda that's acting in the irresponsible manner?

http://5cc.blogspot.com/2007/06/expr...ing.html#links

What I was trying to convey, was not everyone is ready to be multi-cultural, sorry if it came out wrong
As for Locky, its ill thought arguments like his that make the "right wing" unelectable. The day an eloquent right winger is born we maybe in some trouble!

Damien 08-06-2007 19:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34324332)
What I was trying to convey, was not everyone is ready to be multi-cultural, sorry if it came out wrong
As for Locky, its ill thought arguments like his that make the "right wing" unelectable. The day an eloquent right winger is born we maybe in some trouble!

Its hard for someone smart and eloquent to share the same views as that. Its even harder for anyone to make those positions sound sane. Nick Griffin is the best they have been he still comes across as racist. Locky was talking a race war, I cant see the normal public going for that regardless of the spin its been given.

popper 08-06-2007 19:19

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Actually, there's an example of this four doors away at the primary school my son's going to go to - it's got a fairly high intake of non-English as first language children (from all over the place, particularly East Africa) and apparently (according to the headmistress) they get to exactly the same level in a year (so much so that their results are indistinguishable from native English speakers).

The school's one of the top 200 in the country on last years results, which were admittedly exceptional. The key is probably that it's quite a well off area and a well-managed and resourced school.
i do wonder if it would be a same result if you compared that to one of the bottom 200 in the country and it was in a deprived and rundown area.

i suspect it might be, as it seems its not the primary schools that are the most under funded in these area's, its the upper schools were you will find the massive cuture shock going from primary to secondary/upper.

my sons primary was great and the 2 teachers and helpers were far better than great, cant say the same about the current school even after several years there.

Locky 08-06-2007 19:31

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Admin edit (Chris T) Please do not discuss reputation comments in public.

Damien 08-06-2007 19:37

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:rolleyes:

Can I ask why you think that people who do not want to kick out/ethnically cleanse a entire population based on their race are traitors? You do realise that they are just like the white race in all but skin colour and sometimes culture? They have nice people, nasty people, racist people, funny people, clever people? You also do know that the UK is properly only up there with America in the lack of a clear 'english' bloodline going back? I.E Almost everyone English is decended from some kind of invasion?

Who exactly are these people who are 'English' anyway? Do Black people count? 2/3/4/5th generations of Asians/Indians/Africans?

Locky 08-06-2007 19:40

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nope black people are not english, simple reason, the country was not formed by africans indians or we, a passport can not change heritage

Damien 08-06-2007 19:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324364)
nope black people are not english, simple reason, the country was not formed by africans indians or we, a passport can not change heritage

Even if they have been here for Hundreds of years? Why do you want an all white england anyway? What advantages are there?

Locky 08-06-2007 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324371)
Even if they have been here for Hundreds of years? Why do you want an all white england anyway? What advantages are there?

i dont care if england is white or not, if they kicked all religion out, i would be happy with that

Damien 08-06-2007 19:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324373)
i dont care if england is white or not, if they kicked all religion out, i would be happy with that

So why kick Black people out? Is it simply religion you dislike? What about Asians who do not believe in a god? Could they stay

Locky 08-06-2007 19:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324383)
So why kick Black people out? Is it simply religion you dislike? What about Asians who do not believe in a god? Could they stay

yes as long as they pull there weight, absolutely, as long as they are contributeing and not leeching, there is no problem whatsoever

Damien 08-06-2007 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324387)
yes as long as they pull there weight, absolutely, as long as they are contributeing and not leeching, there is no problem whatsoever


o...k..

So what about the majority of muslims who are not violent and have a job?

Locky 08-06-2007 19:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324390)
o...k..

So what about the majority of muslims who are not violent and have a job?

like i said, religion is a nono causes way too much trouble, far more than it is worth

danielf 08-06-2007 19:58

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Wow, this thread has more twists and turns than a twisty-turny thingy...

BBKing 08-06-2007 20:01

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Fish, barrel, gun, *bang*

Quote:

nope black people are not english
Sol Campbell? Monty Panesar? Dadabhai Naoroji? Adam Afriye?

What about the Irish? Germans? Russians? French? Dutch? Who 'formed' Britain anyway? What criteria (assuming you can spell them) would you use to separate 'black' from 'English'? Allow half an hour for your answer, do not use both sides of the paper at once, no BNP literature to be taken into the examination room.

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yes as long as they pull there weight, absolutely, as long as they are contributeing and not leeching, there is no problem whatsoever
Any of them with a qualification in teaching English are going to have their work cut out, I can see.

Damien 08-06-2007 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324017)
nope, just more angry in the build up...

it is disgusting how fast they are multiplying in a country they do not belong, one day the rest of u idiot brits will wake up..

What about this quote they they refers to ethnic minoritys, no mention of religion.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324027)
chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

and this? What exactly is this? This is surely causing trouble isnt it? Who are the invaders? Most muslims were born here so are they exempt? What about White Englishmen

Locky 08-06-2007 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324396)
What about this quote they they refers to ethnic minoritys, no mention of religion.

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and this? What exactly is this? This is surely causing trouble isnt it? Who are the invaders? Most muslims were born here so are they exempt? What about White Englishmen

why dont u convert ? u shure seem to love them a whole lot

BBKing 08-06-2007 20:06

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Quote:

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them
Yes, that's a bit worrying. I tend to side with my ancestors, who came from Ireland and Germany. Good thing we've not had any trouble from people in those parts of the world, eh?

Damien 08-06-2007 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324400)
why dont u convert ? u shure seem to love them a whole lot

Your confusing love with 'not hating'. I dont convert because I dont believe in a god. Want to answer my questions above?

Locky 08-06-2007 20:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324403)
Your confusing love with 'not hating'. I dont convert because I dont believe in a god. Want to answer my questions above?

england should idealy be just english

Damien 08-06-2007 20:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324406)
england should idealy be just english

Why?

Also, about your perish quote, englishmen would also perish with 'them'?

BBKing 08-06-2007 20:13

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Quote:

england should idealy be just english
Ideally, your posts should be English, too. But we don't live in an ideal world, which is just as well really, considering what ideology does to people's brains.

Gareth 08-06-2007 20:15

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My missus is French.... but she's white. She doesn't want to be English, she quite likes being French, but she likes living in Blighty. She works full time, and pays taxes on what she earns... which goes to the UK government, not the French one, as she neither lives nor works in France.

Is she an invader too? Should I tell her to pack her bags?

Maggy 08-06-2007 20:16

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Damn! I'd best up sticks and go back to the land of my birth..Nigeria..

Never mind, I'm British ,born to British parents and married to a Brit(well a Welshman technically) so I guess I can stay..Plus I guess as I'm white as well I don't fit Locky's definition of 'they'.

Oh and I have a new person to put on ignore...

Womble 08-06-2007 20:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324336)
Its hard for someone smart and eloquent to share the same views as that. Its even harder for anyone to make those positions sound sane. .

And along came Hitler! :shocked:

MovedGoalPosts 08-06-2007 20:24

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May I remind all forum users that we do not tolerate rascist behaviour on the board. Some of the posts in this thread are objectionable.

By all means discuss, constructively, the issues, but do not cross the line of causing offence.

Womble 08-06-2007 20:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324181)
:tu:

Exclude people from society, ignore and vilify them and they began to take to morph into the person society is telling they are. Be it terrorists or teenagers who end up shooting people at their school

I'm still waiting for you to embrace Locky :luv:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 34324433)
May I remind all forum users that we do not tolerate rascist behaviour on the board.

Bugger I just polished my jackboots too

Damien 08-06-2007 20:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Womble (Post 34324430)
And along came Hitler! :shocked:

Yes, but he came at a great depression and souring inflation. As well as little warning in History of someone like him. But I agree that we must always be careful of these racist partys (Calling them right wing is a disservice to being who are just normal right wingers)

Tezcatlipoca 08-06-2007 23:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324364)
nope black people are not english

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324373)
i dont care if england is white or not

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324406)
england should idealy be just english




Bit contradictory there...

Nugget 08-06-2007 23:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34324406)
england should idealy be just english

Well that's alright - where I grew up, there were plenty of people of black / asian / Chinese / Japanese / whatever descent who were / are a lot more English than me. Surely that means that you don't mind who's here?

Escapee 09-06-2007 09:37

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Looking at the birthrates for muslim asian families compared to non-asian muslims, and it would be fair to say if there is no change to this trend they will be the majority in a few hundred years time in the UK.

I will never see it in my lifetime but I am convinced it will happen in 3 or 4 generations time, and this country will be a muslim state. In reality I see one of two things happening if it gets to that situation.

A) They are unable to unite because of all their differences and they start wars amongst themselves.

B) If they manage it these individual factions would soon wage war amongst themselves for power soon after.

The posted population figures show a large number of Indian and Pakistan decendants, I fail to see these joining in harmony to take over the UK.

Hugh 09-06-2007 10:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34324676)
Looking at the birthrates for muslim asian families compared to non-asian muslims, and it would be fair to say if there is no change to this trend they will be the majority in a few hundred years time in the UK.

I will never see it in my lifetime but I am convinced it will happen in 3 or 4 generations time, and this country will be a muslim state. In reality I see one of two things happening if it gets to that situation.

A) They are unable to unite because of all their differences and they start wars amongst themselves.

B) If they manage it these individual factions would soon wage war amongst themselves for power soon after.

The posted population figures show a large number of Indian and Pakistan decendants, I fail to see these joining in harmony to take over the UK.

And I am sure in the early 1800's, the same thing was said about the Irish and the Jewish immigrants, but I don't see the country being run by Guinness drinking yarmulke wearers, going diddley diddley oi (vay)! ;)

Damien 09-06-2007 10:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Escapee (Post 34324676)
Looking at the birthrates for muslim asian families compared to non-asian muslims, and it would be fair to say if there is no change to this trend they will be the majority in a few hundred years time in the UK.

I will never see it in my lifetime but I am convinced it will happen in 3 or 4 generations time, and this country will be a muslim state. In reality I see one of two things happening if it gets to that situation.

A) They are unable to unite because of all their differences and they start wars amongst themselves.

B) If they manage it these individual factions would soon wage war amongst themselves for power soon after.

The posted population figures show a large number of Indian and Pakistan decendants, I fail to see these joining in harmony to take over the UK.


Thats not what will happen, and hopefully I will still be around in 3 or 4 generations and would be one of the many many people who would do everything to do this country becoming a religious state.

But Like I said it would not happen. First of all do you have the birth rates anywhere because I would be surprised if they are out stripping non-asian births. Even if they were, we have had peroids of immigration of people who then settled (Indians) and caused no trouble.

You seem to think that muslims would instantly try and get a muslim state if they could, in 3 or 4 generations, but they would have many friends in the UK. They all would have been born and grown up in the UK. They would likely defend the UK from such attempts rather than enforce them. Remember a lot of muslims are angry and the treatment of fellow muslims in such states, I cant seem them being so keen to have the same here.

Escapee 09-06-2007 10:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34324684)
And I am sure in the early 1800's, the same thing was said about the Irish and the Jewish immigrants, but I don't see the country being run by Guinness drinking yarmulke wearers, going diddley diddley oi (vay)! ;)

You are probably correct, I think the power of Islam and the hold it has over its followers is a different matter though. Religion of Islam is a powerful tool that could be used for good or bad, lets hope Islam wakes up drags itself out of the stone age and moves with the times.

The Jackal 09-06-2007 10:28

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It really amazes me how I see threads like here there, everywhere on other forums.

Coupla facts

(1) So called "native" " white " English will be the minority in the near future... Is there anything to worry about here as this breed not native to this Island anyway.

(2) All these woes about lack of jobs. FACE THE FACTS ! There is a a MAJOR skills shortage in this country and I mean major. All the key knowledge holders have left or are leaving. So when you're worrying about jobs what are you worried about exactly ? There are PLENTY of jobs in the 100-200K salary range that remain unfilled - go figure unless you're content lowering your standards and being plain lazy and unskilled.

Damien 09-06-2007 10:34

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Quote:

(1) So called "native" " white " English will be the minority in the near future... Is there anything to worry about here as this breed not native to this Island anyway.
93% of the UK is Native White, where on earth is this minority thing coming from.

The Jackal 09-06-2007 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324696)
93% of the UK is Native White, where on earth is this minority thing coming from.

Please don't correlate skin colour with nativity - you'll be suprised as to how many of those 93% are immigrants themselves.

Bill C 09-06-2007 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob (Post 34324433)
May I remind all forum users that we do not tolerate rascist behaviour on the board. Some of the posts in this thread are objectionable.

By all means discuss, constructively, the issues, but do not cross the line of causing offence.

Objectionable, I would say down right disgusting from some of the contributors:mad:

downquark1 09-06-2007 10:49

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Did anyone see that program on Channel 4 a few months back that did DNA tests to reveal the true heritage or various nationalists or racists?

Womble 09-06-2007 11:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34324694)
All the key knowledge holders have left or are leaving. .

And most are going to Oz, because they control their immigration a bit better!

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34324694)
All There are PLENTY of jobs in the 100-200K salary range that remain unfilled.

I want one!!!

O bugger they have given them to the polish for £10K a year

NTLVictim 09-06-2007 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Incognitas (Post 34324420)
Damn! I'd best up sticks and go back to the land of my birth..Nigeria..

Never mind, I'm British ,born to British parents and married to a Brit(well a Welshman technically) so I guess I can stay..Plus I guess as I'm white as well I don't fit Locky's definition of 'they'.

Oh and I have a new person to put on ignore...


Welsh?? Right, get out....;);););););)

Just in case anybody missed it, that was a joke, I'm half Celt.:D

Xaccers 09-06-2007 23:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NTLVictim (Post 34324773)
Welsh?? Right, get out....;);););););)

Just in case anybody missed it, that was a joke, I'm half Celt.:D


Top or bottom half? We need to know so we can work out which way you've got to lie on the border ;)

ginge51 10-06-2007 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34324020)
Probably talking about me, as I am from a foreign country (Sconny Botland), and have been married twice and had four children - trying to outbreed the Sassenachs, you see :D

But, as my previous and my incumbent wife are English, does that mean, in fact, I am adding to the "English" population?

Ooooh, my head hurts...........

no you are brittish there isnt a problem anywhere in brittain about there being to many brittish .
foregners definatlly its excacley the same in there countrys they dont want us in there countrys either so why should we allow them in our?

Hugh 10-06-2007 13:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325337)
no you are brittish there isnt a problem anywhere in brittain about there being to many brittish .
foregners definatlly its excacley the same in there countrys they dont want us in there countrys either so why should we allow them in our?

a) Thank you for clarifying that point, but I know I am British (not "brittish") - the clues I had were my British passport, and having been a member of the British Armed Forces; I was being ironic to the poster who has been temporarily suspended (electronical, not physically), who kept wittering on about "English" (and perishing invaders).
b) There are 5.5 million British citizens living abroad at the moment, which sort of defeats your incisive point about foreigners "not wanting us", don't you think? ;)

Gareth 10-06-2007 13:40

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I dunno, I was very welcome when I lived and worked in France... similarly, I never had any problems when I was in Denmark (well, not with the natives anyway... I had problems with it being so bleedin' cold over there though).

Considering the number of Brits that emigrate to Spain, I guess they're not being made to feel unwelcome... similarly, the Americans must not have a problem, as I know shed-loads of Brits that have gone to live there, along with Canada and Australia/NZ.

Which countries exactly don't take kindly to Brits living/working there? Then we'll all know not to accept a job over there.

Xaccers 10-06-2007 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325337)
no you are brittish there isnt a problem anywhere in brittain about there being to many brittish .
foregners definatlly its excacley the same in there countrys they dont want us in there countrys either so why should we allow them in our?

Really? Which countries officially don't want Brits there?

Damien 10-06-2007 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325337)
no you are brittish there isnt a problem anywhere in brittain about there being to many brittish .
foregners definatlly its excacley the same in there countrys they dont want us in there countrys either so why should we allow them in our?

But there are more expats than Immigrants so they obviously do want us in their countrys :D Must the accent and wit!

ginge51 10-06-2007 13:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34324043)
White British people make up over 90 to 95% of the population, then its black british people. Immigrants, Asians, etc etc are less than 5% there is no chance of being in the minority.

id like a link to that please as thats totally untrue.
whites in gb make up possibly 75-80% of gb possibly less.
how on earth with all these different cultures can there be 90-95% white polulation?
especially with all the immergrents coming in.

Xaccers 10-06-2007 13:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325358)
id like a link to that please as thats totally untrue.
whites in gb make up possibly 75-80% of gb possibly less.
how on earth with all these different cultures can there be 90-95% white polulation?
especially with all the immergrents coming in.

Because the numbers aren't actually that high when you consider just how many white Brits there are in the country.
Bet you never thought that did you?

Damien 10-06-2007 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325358)
id like a link to that please as thats totally untrue.
whites in gb make up possibly 75-80% of gb possibly less.
how on earth with all these different cultures can there be 90-95% white polulation?
especially with all the immergrents coming in.

Because you believe the media or you live in a area in which the ethnic minority is larger than the national average of 7.9%? Both of which give the false impression that the country is over run by immigrants?

Hugh 10-06-2007 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ginge51 (Post 34325358)
id like a link to that please as thats totally untrue.
whites in gb make up possibly 75-80% of gb possibly less.
how on earth with all these different cultures can there be 90-95% white polulation?
especially with all the immergrents coming in.

If you read the thread, you would find the figures from the Office of National Statistics on page 2, post number 20.
ONS

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What is it you don't like about "immergrents" - their inability to clearly speak/write English?

Bill C 10-06-2007 13:49

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And here was me thinking it was safe to start reading this thread again :(

I see there is those that want it to stay in the gutter :(

Damien 10-06-2007 13:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34325366)
And here was me thinking it was safe to start reading this thread again :(

Why is it not? :confused:

Xaccers 10-06-2007 13:50

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Maybe their ability to work out that even 80% is bigger than 20%, let alone 95% being bigger than 5% :D

TheDaddy 10-06-2007 14:01

Re: Appalling stuff from the Daily Express
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34325354)
Which countries exactly don't take kindly to Brits living/working there? Then we'll all know not to accept a job over there.

Luxembourg didn't take very kindly to us passing through, even though we spent an absolute fortune there, that said there are rude and ignorant people everywhere, perhaps we were just unlucky

Gareth 10-06-2007 14:05

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Oh, yeah, I agree that there are rude and ignorant people in every country... didn't mean to imply the opposite.

I guess you got a frosty reception in Luxembourg because you temporarily doubled their population - assuming there were 3 others in your car. They probably thought you were invading them :D

jeffcrouch 10-06-2007 14:35

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'us', 'they'...

all very sad. if you live in a country, you become that population.
when i move to greece for example, i'll speak greek, write greek, read greek.
it's only fair that people who live here should do the same with english.

i think that all 'communities' are fractured nowdays, whether black, white or whatever. it's a sad state of affairs but certainly not amplified by immigrants - i think we need to look at ourselves before we start to blame other cultures.


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