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lucevans 16-04-2007 18:17

Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Since a service upgrade last wednesday in the Peterborough area, I am no longer allocated a proxy server when I switch on my SACM. Is this a pattern that is repeated in other areas where service upgrades and maintenance are being done?
I used to think that I'd be grateful for this, but I've manually specified the old proxy that I used to be given (it's still there and it still works) because without a proxy, my download speed has droped from 9800 kbps to around 3500 kbps. Specifying the proxy brings the speed back up to 9800 again.

Rob

Nikesh 16-04-2007 18:22

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Yes Virgin Media are switching off their proxy servers. :)

rikur 16-04-2007 20:09

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
...but I have a suspicion that as the proxy's are removed, the new traffic shaping is enabled in its place.

Paul H 16-04-2007 20:13

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rikur (Post 34277098)
...but I have a suspicion that as the proxy's are removed, the new traffic shaping is enabled in its place.

:walk: :walk: :walk: :walk: :walk: :walk: :walk:

AbyssUnderground 16-04-2007 20:32

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Proxy is finally gone here in Middlesbrough! (TS6 0) :D:D:D

swapshop1 17-04-2007 07:34

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Lincoln Proxy has been gone for atleast a couple of months.

Why have they done this? better compatability/reduction of compaints? or Cost (Bandwith cheaper than the proxy hardware+maintenance)?

I haven't had any problems, and see proxies as a good thing for ISP's.

crowlord 17-04-2007 08:45

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Very similar problem here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...-is-dodgy.html

maybe im forcing a proxy or going direct. Oh dear.

EDIT:

yes the poor performance is for a direct connection. :(

EDIT2:
Without proxy:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...007/04/131.png

With Proxy:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...007/04/132.png

Paul H 17-04-2007 08:56

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crowlord (Post 34277350)
EDIT:

yes the poor performance is for a direct connection. :(

That was the case years ago when blueyonder introduced the proxies. everytime someone had slow speeds or pages not loading they were advised to use the blueyonder webcache. which did improve things.

Stuart 17-04-2007 09:42

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swapshop1 (Post 34277319)
I haven't had any problems, and see proxies as a good thing for ISP's.

Proxies are good as long as they are working properly and are not overloaded.

If they aren't working properly, or are overloaded, they give errors, slow speeds and the may serve up out of date pages.

swapshop1 17-04-2007 11:56

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
anyone know the official line on why they are going?

nearly a year ago i noticed that i wasn't proxied for about a month, could it be that some kind of maintenance is going on?

Paul 17-04-2007 12:26

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
It's not maintenance, VM confirmed to us a while ago that they are going.

cookster 17-04-2007 14:29

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
How do I tell if I'm allocated a proxy or not?

Many thanks...

gc7 17-04-2007 15:04

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
click the Connection tab near the top of this page.

ecksmen 17-04-2007 16:02

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
So VM are introducing 20Mbps and removing the proxies? Dear god, this sounds like a bad plan...

cookster 17-04-2007 16:35

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
cpc3-asht1-0-0-cust9.manc.cable.ntl.com

So I presume i'm still proxied.

Bill C 17-04-2007 17:02

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cookster (Post 34277592)
cpc3-asht1-0-0-cust9.manc.cable.ntl.com

So I presume i'm still proxied.

The proxies have been off for months in North and South Manchester. Any that shows they are proxied should check there browser to see if they have a manual proxy set :).

for instance this is Warrington Which is served from South Manchester Cams

You appear to be on a Virgin Media Connection
Your IP address is 81.102.**.***
Host cpc2-warr1-0-0-cust***.bagu.cable.ntl.com

However if you are on a proxie you would see something like this.

You appear to be on a Virgin Media Connection
Your IP address is 81.102.**.***
Host cpc2-warr1-0-0-cust***.bagu.cable.ntl.com
Your Proxy IP address is 213.107.**.***
This is a Luton Proxy Server

---------- Post added at 18:01 ---------- Previous post was at 17:55 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by cookster (Post 34277592)
cpc3-asht1-0-0-cust9.manc.cable.ntl.com

So I presume i'm still proxied.



No your not :)

---------- Post added at 18:02 ---------- Previous post was at 18:01 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 34277448)
It's not maintenance, VM confirmed to us a while ago that they are going.

Agreed :tu:

AlanYork 23-04-2007 17:19

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
I'm still on a proxy, a Middlesborough one. Browsing has been painful today, websites opening slowly, no chance of watching streaming video. Removing the proxy makes no difference, tech support say there is no problem and my speedtest is fine.

What else can I try?

thanosp 23-04-2007 19:44

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
At last! No proxy for portsmouth area, previous cosham proxy. And no changes to the speedhttp://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...ons/icon14.gif

allanprg 23-04-2007 20:24

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Actually on a direct connection you will not use a proxy at all. But you can still have a proxy put in and it will work. I can still use the Cosham proxies if manually put in. Or quite a few different ones come to that. So the proxy cache are still there.:)

thanosp 23-04-2007 20:34

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
The only good thing is now i can use rapidshare. That was my only concern about proxies :)

homealone 23-04-2007 20:38

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanYork (Post 34283393)
I'm still on a proxy, a Middlesborough one. Browsing has been painful today, websites opening slowly, no chance of watching streaming video. Removing the proxy makes no difference, tech support say there is no problem and my speedtest is fine.

What else can I try?

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanprg (Post 34283551)
Actually on a direct connection you will not use a proxy at all. But you can still have a proxy put in and it will work. I can still use the Cosham proxies if manually put in. Or quite a few different ones come to that. So the proxy cache are still there.:)

true, Alan York could try setting a manual proxy, in another area, to see if that improves the connection :)

Rik 23-04-2007 21:11

Re: Are VM about to drop proxy servers?
 
Im not really sure whether no proxy is good or bad tbh.

When direct connection and no proxy specified i get these speedtest results.

NO PROXY

Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:10:17 UTC

1st 512K took 625 ms = 819.2 KB/sec, approx 6750 Kbps, 6.59 Mbps
2nd 512K took 641 ms = 798.8 KB/sec, approx 6582 Kbps, 6.43 Mbps
3rd 512K took 672 ms = 761.9 KB/sec, approx 6278 Kbps, 6.13 Mbps
4th 512K took 625 ms = 819.2 KB/sec, approx 6750 Kbps, 6.59 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 6590 Kbps, 6.44 Mbps

But when using the number 12 Luton Proxy I ALWAYS get this, faster speeds.

Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:11:21 UTC

1st 512K took 422 ms = 1213.3 KB/sec, approx 9998 Kbps, 9.76 Mbps
2nd 512K took 453 ms = 1130.2 KB/sec, approx 9313 Kbps, 9.09 Mbps
3rd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
4th 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps

Overall Average Speed = approx 9650 Kbps, 9.42 Mbps

So the end of Proxies could be bad for me and many others no doubt :(

If anyone can shed some light on the Cr*P performance when not using a proxy in Hemel Hempstead and the massive performance boost when using the Luton 12 Proxy, I would be very interested ;)

PS Thank god for Giganews tho ;)


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