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Hom3r 27-03-2007 23:16

Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
UEFA aren't happy with him
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...257761,00.html

I reckon if we don't win on wednesday its bye bye.

He should have used Beckham.

gazzae 27-03-2007 23:22

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
I think it would be highly unlikely for England not to beat Andorra. If they only win 2 or 3 nil then I think he will get more stick.

As for sacking him who would replace him? Who would want the job?

Also UEFA has said they are happy with McClaren's media commitments.

punky 27-03-2007 23:27

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I'd like to see El Tel get the job. He didn't do too badly last time, and only left to persue work commitments.

Mclaren's crap and I wish we never hired him, but I don't know if we can ditch him this soon...

Gareth 27-03-2007 23:30

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They should get Sven back... after all, the FA are still paying his salary until he gets another job (which, incidentally, isn't much of an incentive for him to find another job, is it :rolleyes:)

ScArFaCe 27-03-2007 23:44

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
I Think The F.A Should Sack Him, He Cannot Manage At International Level!:td:
I Think We Should Already Be Considering Replacements Such As:Sven Goran Erikkson, Marcelo Lippi,Felipao (Portugals Manager:confused: ) And Claudio Ranieri?

lauzjp 28-03-2007 05:02

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
I can't bear to watch England lately. it's just too cringeworthy, embarrassing, and poor!

Bill C 28-03-2007 08:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lauzjp (Post 34261980)
I can't bear to watch England lately. it's just too cringeworthy, embarrassing, and poor!

I could not have put it better :tu:

skyblueheroes 28-03-2007 08:10

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
England are poor but I do think that sometimes the public have too high expectations for this team.

Beckham should not have been dropped and he needs to have the balls to drop Lampard and move Gerrard to the middle.

Osem 28-03-2007 09:24

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
One of the main problems with the national side is the FA - I mean who actually thought McLaren was going to bring anything new to the table after Sven? He was part of everything that was wrong under Sven's leadership FGS! He has zero charisma and even less imagination and when he claims that England played well against Israel you have to wonder about his eyesight too.

As regards the team, Terry Butcher put it well this morning - England are a team of individuals rather than an individual team.

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 11:27

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Could a 'hope so' option be added to the poll, as although I hope he gets the push I can't see it happening unless we fail to qualify, mainly due to his contract, its a false economy imo, his contract is worth up to 4 million, failure to qualify would cost the FA 100 million

Chris 28-03-2007 11:29

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
Moved to Sports

Nugget 28-03-2007 11:48

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262102)
Could a 'hope so' option be added to the poll, as although I hope he gets the push I can't see it happening unless we fail to qualify, mainly due to his contract, its a false economy imo, his contract is worth up to 4 million, failure to qualify would cost the FA 100 million

Point of order, but his contract has a clause stating that, if the FA were to sack hin, they'd have to pay a years salary (around 2.5 million). Hell of a lot of money but, on current form, probably worth it...

---------- Post added at 10:48 ---------- Previous post was at 10:46 ----------

Actually, thinking on, if we're still going with the poll asking whether Beckham should have played, it's academic because he was injured :shrug:

Osem 28-03-2007 14:30

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Beckham is past his sell by date - you only have to look at the last World Cup to see that. He didn't perform nor did he motivate his team to perform.

Paul 28-03-2007 14:33

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
Hmm, the vote seems to be different to the thread title - bit silly that.

I don't like him and hope it goes soon before it's too late.

gazzae 28-03-2007 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34262303)
Beckham is past his sell by date - you only have to look at the last World Cup to see that. He didn't perform nor did he motivate his team to perform.

One goal and two assists isn't bad.

I thought Beckham was one of the few England players who did perform.

Look at Lampard. 0 goals, 0 assists, 24 shots (the most shots by any player at the WC.)

Tightscot 28-03-2007 15:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262351)
One goal and two assists isn't bad.

I thought Beckham was one of the few England players who did perform.

Look at Lampard. 0 goals, 0 assists, 24 shots (the most shots by any player at the WC.)

lampard is out for andorra with a broken wrist... Linkage

gazzae 28-03-2007 15:26

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Quote:

TERRY SO PROUD TO LEAD ENGLAND

John Terry has insisted "I would play for England for nothing" after slamming criticism that the players have no pride in representing their country.

http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...022941,00.html
Whoopie Do John

---------- Post added at 14:26 ---------- Previous post was at 14:25 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tightscot (Post 34262361)
lampard is out for andorra with a broken wrist... Linkage

So if England hammer andorra Lampard will be the scapegoat, if they don't they will have to look for another excuse.

Osem 28-03-2007 15:31

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Don't get me wrong Gazzae - none of the team exactly excelled themselves for sure so I'm not singling out DB. The question was about Beckham, however and as captain he went AWOL when the chips were down in the World Cup and apart from a few flashes of his former brilliance I didn't see much to write home about.

gazzae 28-03-2007 15:54

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I disagree.

First game the only goal was an OG caused by a Beckham Free kick.

Second game Beckham was man of the match. I'd say the chips were down when your still drawing 0-0 with Trinidad and Tobago after 80 minutes. Up stepped Beckham with an assist

Third game he was pretty quiet

Fourth game He scored the only goal of the game.

Fifth game he was injuried after an hour.

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 16:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262393)
I disagree.

If he can't get into his club side he shouldn't be picked for the national team and how is it going to change when he starts playing in a less talented league

gazzae 28-03-2007 16:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262399)
If he can't get into his club side he shouldn't be picked for the national team and how is it going to change when he starts playing in a less talented league

But he can get into his club side.

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262401)
But he can get into his club side.

How many league games has he played this season?

gazzae 28-03-2007 17:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262412)
How many league games has he played this season?

16

http://www.realmadrid.com/articulo/rma25634.htm

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262434)

Were they league games then, even if they were that is still a third less than others, hardly a regular imo

gazzae 28-03-2007 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262453)
Were they league games then, even if they were that is still a third less than others, hardly a regular imo

Yes league games - at the top it says - Liga Española 1ª División 2006-07.

I didn't say he was a regular this season. But playing in over half their league games proves he can get in the team.

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 17:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262462)
I didn't say he was a regular this season.

Very good, Shearer was a regular last season, perhaps there is a case for his return as well

Its also worth considering Real are a team in decline as well

gazzae 28-03-2007 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262469)
Very good, Shearer was a regular last season, perhaps there is a case for his return as well

Yawn

You said can't. I proved he can. Get over it.

Wicked_and_Crazy 28-03-2007 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34261807)
If they only win 2 or 3 nil then I think he will get more stick.

I'd be amazed if they scored that many, lately they seem to have no clue that the nets at each end of the pitch are for.


I havent voted as i dont see what Beckham has got to do with McClarens days being numbered. Didnt Beckham retire from international football?

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262472)
Yawn

You said can't. I proved he can. Get over it.

What did you prove, that he can play just over half of the games for a struggling team, that hardly makes him a regular, I suggest you get over your Beckham fixation, even the halfwit England manager won't pick him, nuff said really

Wicked_and_Crazy 28-03-2007 17:50

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How can anyone say Real Madrid are a team in decline when they're 3rd in their league

orangebird 28-03-2007 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34262480)
I'd be amazed if they scored that many, lately they seem to have no clue that the nets at each end of the pitch are for.


I havent voted as i dont see what Beckham has got to do with McClarens days being numbered. Didnt Beckham retire from international football?


No, he didn't - he resigned from being captain, that's all.

gazzae 28-03-2007 17:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262481)
What did you prove, that he can play just over half of the games for a struggling team, that hardly makes him a regular, I suggest you get over your Beckham fixation, even the halfwit England manager won't pick him, nuff said really

OK then please explain how playing in over half of your teams league games and making his manager go back on his words that he wouldn't play again means that he couldn't get into the Real Madrid team.

Remeber Madrid are only 5 points off the lead in La Liga.

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 18:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262488)
OK then please explain how playing in over half of your teams league games and making his manager go back on his words that he wouldn't play again means that he couldn't get into the Real Madrid team.

Remeber Madrid are only 5 points off the lead in La Liga.

Half of the games isn't enough for anyone to be considered for the national team, we shouldn't be picking players that are missing a lot of games for any reason other than injury. Credit to him though for buckling down and making the coach go back on his word, in fact if you believe the papers he may well have saved Capello's job

If Madrid are doing so well, why all the speculation about getting rid of the manager?

Wicked_and_Crazy 28-03-2007 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34262497)
Half of the games isn't enough for anyone to be considered for the national team

used to be enough for Phil Neville when he was at Man U a number of years back, in fact i dont beleive he even played half

TheBlueRaja 28-03-2007 18:16

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Save McClaren, he's doing a great job...

TheDaddy 28-03-2007 18:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wicked_and_Crazy (Post 34262510)
used to be enough for Phil Neville when he was at Man U a number of years back, in fact i dont beleive he even played half

Yes and unlike Beckham, he has never been good enough for international football imo

skyblueheroes 28-03-2007 18:58

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Lampard is a great player, but not for England. He and Gerrard cannot play together. I sometimes wonder too if Lampard is being carried by Makalele or Essien - thus so many goals from midfield.

Don't get me wrong, I've love to see him pull on a Sky Blue shirt, but there are some club players who just don't turn it on for England (Wright, Barnes etc).

gazzae 28-03-2007 21:50

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Stuck the England match on at half time in the Norn Iron game. Oh dear oh dear.

PS Check out Healy's goal. It was a belter

Gareth 28-03-2007 22:06

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Listening to this on 5 Live... oh dear, what has happened to English football? :(

daz300 28-03-2007 22:13

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0-1 england about time to

Osem 28-03-2007 22:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34262707)
Listening to this on 5 Live... oh dear, what has happened to English football? :(

They need a leader - the manager can't manager and the captain doesn't lead.

There's no doubt they are great players but some just aren't producing for England right now. A good manager needs to be strong and make tough even unpopular decisions - is there any evidence that McLaren can do this???

Answers on a postcard to:

The FA,
C/O Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Re Beckham - He's yesterday's news and even he knows it hence his lucrative contract to take it easy in the US. Hardly the sign of a man certain he can cut the mustard at the highest level.

Gareth 28-03-2007 22:20

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Gonna have to watch the highlights later, as by the sound of it, the Andora team are a bunch of dirty cheats. England should know how to play against this sort of team really, though.

yesman 28-03-2007 22:37

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
Andorra 0 - 2 England now, it looks like Gerrard will be made a Lord and has kept McClaren in his job.

Paul 28-03-2007 22:46

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I'm watching this load of rubbish on sky - it's depressing. :(

skyblueheroes 28-03-2007 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34262715)
Gonna have to watch the highlights later, as by the sound of it, the Andora team are a bunch of dirty cheats. England should know how to play against this sort of team really, though.

Very dirty. Diving all over the place and rolling around at least 12 times.

Gerrard has been good and probably saved McClaren's job...........for now.

Other 'highlights' inc Richards and Lennon I though for flashes in the first half - the rest of them can go back to their clubs as overpaid yobs where they seem to care more for the big Premiership games.

gazzae 28-03-2007 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34262715)
Gonna have to watch the highlights later, as by the sound of it, the Andora team are a bunch of dirty cheats. England should know how to play against this sort of team really, though.

According to the Guardian looks like Andora weren't the only cheats!

Quote:

67 min Lennon plays in Gerrard on the corner of the six-yard box AND HE DIVES PATHETICALLY. BUT WE WON'T MENTION IT BECAUSE HE'S NOT CRISTIANO RONALDO, EH? COME ON MR SOUTHGATE, LET'S HAVE YOUR VIEWS ON THAT ONE! LET'S RUN JOE BLOGGS OUT OF OUR FOOTBALL - HE'S TEACHING JOHNNY FOREIGNER BAD HABITS ABOUT DIVING!
PS Anyone mind if I post this ;)

Code:

Group F        Pld        Pts
N. Ireland        6        13
Sweden        5        12
Spain        5        7
Denmark        4        7
Iceland        5        4
Liechtenstein        5        3
Latvia        4        3


Shadow Demon UK 28-03-2007 23:03

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Anyone notice how Jeff Shreeves didn't ask Steven Gerrard about cheating unlike last week when he interviewed Ronaldo? Suprise suprise :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 29-03-2007 17:38

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Sounds horrific but what were the fans doing ........ booing, honestly I am so fed up with these pre madonna's, they are a joke, what were these deluded superstars expecting, to be carried of the field in triumph? I really don't know what it would take to snap these people back into reality, perhaps if they had to make sacrifices and save to go abroad and see the dross they inflict on the rest of us they'd realise how privileged they are to represent their country


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/6507057.stm

Osem 29-03-2007 21:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34263337)
Sounds horrific but what were the fans doing ........ booing, honestly I am so fed up with these pre madonna's, they are a joke, what were these deluded superstars expecting, to be carried of the field in triumph? I really don't know what it would take to snap these people back into reality, perhaps if they had to make sacrifices and save to go abroad and see the dross they inflict on the rest of us they'd realise how privileged they are to represent their country


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/6507057.stm

The best thing England fans could do would be to stay at home - that might focus a few minds at the FA and within the squad.

Nugget 29-03-2007 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 34262737)
According to the Guardian looks like Andora weren't the only cheats!



PS Anyone mind if I post this ;)

Code:

Group F        Pld        Pts
N. Ireland        6        13
Sweden        5        12
Spain        5        7
Denmark        4        7
Iceland        5        4
Liechtenstein        5        3
Latvia        4        3


Actually, even Martin Tyler and David Platt admitted that he dived during the commentary on Sky, so that must be a first...

Oh, and kudos where it's due - Northern Ireland are flying at the mo :)

TheDaddy 30-03-2007 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34263538)
The best thing England fans could do would be to stay at home - that might focus a few minds at the FA and within the squad.

I'd go along with that although that well known moron Steve Claridge said he thought a lot of fans travelled with the sole intention of giving Steve McClaren a hard time, another one with little grasp on reality, he might be able to afford to spend thousands and travel hundreds of miles for such ridicules reasons most fans cannot though

Osem 30-03-2007 16:02

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
Lots of these folk live in cloud cuckoo land - out of touch with the fans in just the same way as most MP's are out of touch with ordinary people.

gazzae 30-03-2007 17:06

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From the BBC's cricket updates

Quote:

"If, after say 20 overs, if England aren't doing very well, can we all Boo them really very loudly?"
Sean, Bristol, in the TMS inbox

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/6506507.stm
;)

Osem 06-06-2007 09:53

Re: Are Steve McClaren's days numbered
 
So what's the consensus on tonight's match? If we don't win it looks like we're out of the tournament but will the FA accept the mistake that was appointing McLaren in the first place and get shot of him? Somehow I doubt it :( Sven's still on the payroll too isn't he ?

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Just heard Mclaren quoted as saying that against Brazil England had showed what they're capable of ? What? Drawing 1-1 with Brazil in a friendly? Big deal! Neither team played well but from what I saw Brazil should've won as they had a perfectly good goal disallowed. I really don't know what Mclaren learned from that performance.


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