Bt Is Cheaper!!! Why Is Ntl Expensive Now?
 

Have You Noticed Bt Broadband Is Cheaper????

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its not as good either IMO, unless you live in an exchange, personally i would rather pay more and get more, but its all down to personal choice

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how can it not be as good, its a guarenteed 8MEG - ntl varies dpeending on whether its busy - it also only uploads at 384kps??????? thast pish man

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show me anyone adsl who garrentees 8meg your talking out your bottom mate

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It cannot guarantee 8Mb so can you show where you saw that. ADSL and most other BB speeds are "Up To" speeds. Plust BT has the nice position of using an in-place infrastructure which for the main part was paid for by the tax payer ;)
BT

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Im not having a BT are morally better than ntl lol, who cares who paid for what, the point is BT have offered me 8meg for £10 a month for a year before going to 14.99. at the moment im paying £35 for dodgy 10meg cable????? I mean if you can't see the attraction of that,? NTL was always traditionally cheaper, but whats happeneing?

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Also i think everyone knows ADSL doesn't vary the speed the same as cable, as the amount of users on the network doesnt vary the speed? Are you aware of that? Thast what im getting at, either way its 8meg for 1/3 of the price

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You haven't been offered 8mb, you've been offered up to 8mb, which is not even remotely close to being the same thing.

Generally many ADSL lines will test at around 5mb to 6mb, and that's if you're in a good area. Many others come in at 2mb or 3mb, or even less. Hardly any touch the actual 8mb figure.

And even if you test as capable of 6mb, there's no guarantee you're even going to get that.

How bad is your 10mb connection? If it's running at anything over 6mb, the chances are you may be better staying where you are.

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hmm the speed of ADSL doesn't vary depending on how many users there are eh? have a read of this http://usertools.plus.net/tutorials/id/11

I suppose you could have a leased line- but then again that will probably cost you £100 a month + and i can't find any that are available to residential customers.

Just to clarify, it is upto 8 meg- same as virgin provide upto 10meg. In my own personal experience ADSL has been crap. The cable connections i had at 3 different houses have been much more reliable.

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LOLLL :D

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talking rubbish I am afraid.

1 - even in the best conditions BTs adsl is only 7.15mbit, as the rest goes in ATM overheads.
2 - It has contention like any other consumer broadband.
3 - It also has BRAS rate limiting which kicks in when synch speeds move up and down. (example, bad weather line synchs at 4meg temporarily then goes back to 8meg, this will mean 3.5mbit speeds for 3 days)
4 - the biggest and baddest of them all, line quality, only 25% of phone lines according to bt retail themselves will get a max 8meg synch the rest are too poor/long and will give lower speeds.
5 - bt broadbands unlimited tier is shaped.

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yeah BT are playing the game of offering high speed for pennies which I disagree with.

What do you get for your £10? is it unlimited like cable?

Bt have adopted a one speed fits all strategy so its possible to pay a very low price for a 8mbit service but the consequence is adsl is no longer friendly to heavy users the same as cable and is becoming a light user only service for many isps. This is also why I feel shaping is very common on adsl much worse then the recent 5mbit at peak seen on cable, at least the higher speed users on cable pay more which is a much more realistic policy.

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Ill See This Simply And Clear So Everyone Understands. Thy Guy Next Door Has Bt And I Installed It For Him, He Hits Just Over 8meg With His Broadband, Its Unlimited And Constant Speed Of Just Over 8meg. It Doesn't Change Or Alter The Same As Ntl, Is Also Costs £9.99 A Month And Is Unlimited - The Only Difference Was He Had To Buy His Own Modem For £14.99 At Maplin.

Ntl - 10meg £30
Bt - 8meg £10 I Meant That Difference Is Huge, It Aint Pennies?

To Make It All Worse, They Give Him 250 Minutes At Any Wifi Zone Run By Bt Or O2 Or Cloud Network For His Laptop At Internet Coffee Shops??????

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Not what the Broadband website says -
BTbroadband
Option...............................Speed...D/L Limit...Setup Cost...Monthly Cost
BT Broadband - Option 1 Up To 8Mbps 5GB ............FREE....... £9.95
BT Broadband - Option 2 Up To 8Mbps 8GB ............FREE......£14.99
BT Broadband - Option 3 Up To 8Mbps Unlimited..... FREE..... £22.99

And in each case, that price is only for the first 6 months, and only if you sign an 18month contract - if you take a 12 month contract, it is £12.99 for the first six months.

With BT option 1, you can do this (their site)
With Option 1's 5GB monthly usage guideline you could, for example:

• Download 25 music tracks per week
• Watch 10 minutes of video/ trailers per week
• Download 3 movie per month

Woo Hoo!!!!!

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God thats not very good is it. I mean those usage allowances are pants.

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First off, ntl upload speed is NOT 384K, the upload speed is 512K (Possibly soon to be 1Mbps)

BT Broadband Option 3 is unlimited & Up To 8Mbps - the fact is you WONT recieve this speed unless the local exchange is on your butt, also you need to pay an extra £11 for line rental.

So these are the real prices (After all the offers expire)

BT:

Option 1: Up To 8Mbps £28.99 with 5GB Usage
Option 2: Up To 8Mbps £33.99 with 8GB Usage
Option 3: Up To 8Mbps £37.99 with Unlimited Usage

Virgin Media (ntl):

Option 1: 2Mbps £18 Unlimited usage
Option 2: 4Mbps £25 Unlimited usage
Option 3: 10Mbps £35 Unlimited usage

I don't know about you, but i'd rather go with ntl then BT.

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But, apparently, it's much better value. :erm:

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Yer right! ;)

No one in their right mind would take option 1 or 2, well maybe my Grandma but then she just uses it for email. :)

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First, as you have been told, it's up to 8 meg. ADSL can be as dodgy as cable.

Second, the tarif you quoted has a very low cap (8 gig per month). Virgin is unlimited (well, apart from traffic shaping, but it's possible BT do that to).

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You know if you went over like 50GB with BT unlimited you'd get a call from them, they aint as flexable as ntl are...


BT do traffic shape, everywhere...

... ntl only traffic shape in certain areas where the UBRs are not able to cope with the overload

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There is one disadvantage you have overlooked..you HAVE to have a BT line..and I'm never going back to them...They can be as cheap as chips but I'm not returning to a service that I found repeatedly unreliable.:erm:

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Firstly an 8mbit Sync is very hard to get and even if you DO manage it you won't get an 8mbit ip thoughput.


I live within 5 mins walking distance of my local exchange

and heres my line stats.




Connection Status Connected
Ds Rate (Kbps) 7616
Us Rate (Kbps) 448
DS Margin 14
US Margin 24
DS Line Attenuation 8
US Line Attenuation 6
Trained Modulation ADSL_G.dmt
LOS Errors 0
Peak Cell Rate 1056 cells per sec
CRC Rx Fast 0
CRC Tx Fast 0
CRC Rx Interleaved 0
CRC Tx Interleaved 5
Path Mode Interleaved


Thanks to the BRAS profile i have a 6.5mbit ip throughput maximum

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for someone thats just moved.... Bt's upto 8Mb would of givven me 512Kbps but they would still charge me for 8Mb

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option 3 is also shaped and the contracts are 18 months I think.

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I will put this simple for you again.

You order 10mbit on cable and you get upto 10mbit, every cable is capable of doing 10mbit subject to contention.

On BT and all other adsl providers you can be paying for 8mbit but if the line is no good you may only get a fraction of that as well as suffer from network dropouts.

Also please dont lie :) you were not hitting 8mbit on his connection because the maximum speed on BTs adsl service is 7.15mbit due to atm overheads. 8mbit is 960kB/sec.

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Which is what I have just ordered although through sky.

£17.00 per month , 40gb allowance. Wanted unlimited but will try this and see how it goes, beats the hell out of £35.00 a month for virgin.

Trouble is I'm so far away I can get 512k max. :(

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35 is for upto 10meg and you would get alot fast than 512 even with the VM 2meg deal which is unlimited and with phone is only £20 a month

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im with cable and bt but im goin to phone cable to shut down my net!! becuse for last 4 week i have been phonein cable about my net prob. first my prob start about 4 week ago when my ping was 999 for online Games for every 5 sec!! and they said they will send someone out to have a look at it. and Guys on phone said if there anythink ok with my modem i have to pay cable 75.00.so Guy came out and said my modem was fine so he Left then 1 hour after he Left my prob start again. so i phone them back up all they said was phone the games servers ? so now i have to pay 75.00 for noting? next day i phone them up again told them what prob was, i told them about 20 time already for last 4 week so they said someone out again to have a look at it. cable Guy came and said there somethink up with your Modem ?? and need New one, so Guy put me new modem and ever think was Fine but 4 day gone my prob start again. i also format my pc 5 time in 4 week, thinkin it was my pc!! but prob was there again so i got me new Pc for 699.99 see if that Work. but prob was there again. so i phone BT for 30 days test and everythink is working Fine.

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You're interleaved, that's why you have that sync rate. The overheads of interleaving take a chunk. You could actually achieve 8Mbps sync comfortably.

Speak to your ISP and ask to be switched to fast path and you'll sync up at 8128kbps, providing 7.15Mbps BRAS profile.

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Are you a troll? I can't believe the crap you've come out with in this thread - I hate NTL for the way they treated me while I was working for them, but for all their faults, cable broadband or ADSL? No contest as far as I'm concerned.

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I agree, with NTL I was paying for up to 4meg £25 real speeds were up to 3meg and more often than not 2.5meg, and dropped connections a problem. Virgin Media broadband is expensive! Our BT broadband is up to 5meg or 6meg, never the up to 8meg, and it is sometimes up to 2meg but at least it's an offer and less than half the price of Virgin Media.

Somebody at Virgin Media needs to examine their pricing policies on all their products.

:)