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This is also the Quad FX platform that when you can find the mobos will support 2 of these cpus on the same board :)

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=532106


Here is a little look at a board ;) http://usa.asus.com/products4.aspx?l...30&modelmenu=1

Take note of the 12 sata connectors on the mobo

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Also take note of the stupid price...

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So I can do without my rows of PCI ATA expansion cards :rolleyes:

Besides 12 disks won't fit into my next project ....

http://mountainmods.com/gallery/albu...lbumListPage=1

http://mountainmods.com/gallery/album38

I'm looking at the bob slay and will probably have it shipped from the states : The usual UK cr*p $150 in the states £150 here :rolleyes:

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Its a brand spanking new FX cpu running at 3 gig under 400 quid is bloody cheap if these will run on there own. I am only guessing they will but you may need 2 running together for this to work but that puts it inline with the quadro cost wise just about with a faster bus speed.
One thing I did notice is its a 90nm process which to be should have been 60 nm

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While its £250 cheaper than the intel quadcore series, there is no way i would spend just under £400 on a cpu.

I guess rich people would though.

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So are AMD going to get back the value for money performance crown once this chip and board get a bit more mainstream?

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Hope so.

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Been discussed on a lot of harware forums :

Best response I saw :

" This barely qualifies as even a stop-gap response to Conroe "

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or computer enthusiasts. Motor enthusiasts would spend as much on a spoiler on the back or 3 times as much on sports cams for example.

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Edit : Forget i posted, lol.

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On reading the manual it does say when fitting the cpus it refers to if you install a second meaning it may well run with 1 cpu making it a very cheap FX cpu on its own as a dual core.I could be wrong and you may need to run 2.

Have you noticed how they have taken on an LGA format ripping off Intels design with no pic on the cpu?

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if you read all that why aint you bloody posted it before dagnamit ;)

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Heh soz : I like TraxData don't believe being sold more cores is the solution.
To me more frequency on a dual core is more beneficial. Maxing out 4 cores doing a variety of things will highlight and pronounce the bottlenecks of your system.

If 2/3 of your cores are whacking your defragmented hard disk to bits with independent processes what do you think the overall performance of your system will feel like ?

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a lot better than if my disks were fragmented which I think is what you ment? I wouldnt be in that situation as ive said before I set up my machines properly and remove said read write hard drive bottleneck by installing enough to cope with multitasking ;)

Each cpu has its own ram channel also this will remove another of the bottlenecks ;)

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Yeh fragmented.

Heres an old article - cant vouch for its validity though.
http://www.neoseeker.com/news/story/6327/

I'm still not convinced mate : whack open a couple of winrar processes along with a few quick par repairs and your said ' perfect ' machine will start to feel the pain.

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well my machine chugs away quite happy. Its all about spreading the work onto different drives as the read write problem with single disks is very valid :)

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But sometimes its difficult to spread the load especially if the rar files and par files are on the same array or disk... it would be kinda a waste of time to moving the files to separate disks before assigning work on them (in the long run this is the more effecient method though)

Yup and the average joe bloggs on the street doesnt have the same setup as we do so he or she will most probably run a couple of processes on the same disk inadvertently.

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if the rar files are on the same disk simply move them. Ive just run a test I had 2 dvd archives on one drive I moved one to desktop ( a different physical drive) and run quickpar both archives had broken rars and I run repair on the 2 with no impact on either. Then I run IE off the c: obviously where the desktop is and the impact was huge ( same disk) one archive was more broken than the other so as one was still repairing I extracted the fixed one to yet another hard drive again with no impact. So if you have the drives you can perform the tasks

Who said anything about using this for average Joe in the street??? how many average Joes buy and use well performance machines? not many

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ok to further the test I just run 2 x quickpar running rar repair and 1 instance of winrar extracting a large archive all on different disks all running as fast as if alone and running cpu resources at 95% again the only thing that lagged the system is running a second app off one of the disks so in theory with 4 cores and enough drives I could run 6 instances 3 of each on 4 core without impact so I think there you go ;)

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Yeh but so called performance machine will be an average users machine in a couple of years time and hence would joe bloggs be able to use a quad core efficiently or maybe would it be more beneficial for him to have a dual core with twice the cpu frequency - this is really my point and moreover I personally would like to see increases in cpu frequency rather than releases of 4 cores and 8 cores which would be more suited to server applications.

Soz its gone a bit off topic :rolleyes:

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No because as well you know high frequency no longer means faster cpus. Look at the Conroes? look at the Prescott P4 cpus where they went for MHZ and all they achieved was a radiator? Moores law is no longer valid imo rules have changed slimmer processes less voltage and more efficient cpus are the way further high mhz just means to much heat to much power and as proven with the Prescott not the best cpu

As you said in a couple of years but your missing the fact that in a coupel of years multithreaded tunes apps will be everywhere meaning Joe public will get the benefits of multi core processing

About 18 months ago I had this discussion with a fellow clanner who was all FX 57 as the best cpu and I championed the Dual core as the next gaming cpu low and behold I was proven right when good old amd released the fx60 as its gamers choice. I strongly feel ill be proven right again and it wont be long before I am ;)

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Good answer - hope we get upgrades to the rest of the architecture to keep up with the pace.

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2 years is a bloody long time in computing.AMD with have newer cpus and should compete with Intel again. Intel will most likely have something to answer this. AMD/ATI phaze project will be out there trying something new its all good fun

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is this new CPU (running on its own) better than an intel E6700 dual core (2.67) as I'm about to have an intel pc built - the E6700 is costing around £290 excluding vat so it is roughly the same price as this new AMD chip but has a lower clock speed.

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I would stick to your guns the AMD is new technology and the boards are expensive. The Conroe will be a faster cpu :)
If AMD competed with Intels cpus at the moment id jump ship like a shot but they cant however this AMD cpu will be unlocked as its an FX so overclockers will get a bargain with this

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cheers

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http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/11/30..._uk/page5.html

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very good report. It does show to me that there isnt a huge amount of difference the Intel is better but they have not run a single cpu test to see actually how good it is as a single cpu, The main problem is what I mentioned before and the 90mn process means its a power hungry cpu and this also means heat for me this is the let down of this cpu

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just ordered my E6700 - it'll be interesting to see how faster it is compared to my athlon 3400 running at 2.4.

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massively :)

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You'd be the chap to know as well...

My 805D set-up is working like a charm. Interesting though it runs better under Vista and did not need any drivers. XP seems proper flakey in comparision.

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n1 glad your happy with it :)

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Zing small problem in your plan of it being a cheap! you cant buy just one of the cpu's you MUST buy them as a pair. Amd only sells them as a quad (2x dual core) bundle for not much more than an Fx cpu.

One of the american sites decided to split the bundles recently only for amd to turn round and say you do that, and you kiss goodbye to your warrenty from us.


Back to the technology tho, the boards are very expensive, you'll need a 700W+ psu as the system really does eat power like there is no tomorrow, you'll need at least 4 sticks of matched ram and you have to hope that your cpu works with its own ram and not the ram from the other cpu else performance falls through the floor.

And yes i've been championing vista for a while now of how much better it is at handling a dual core system than xp is.

Edit - Scan should not be selling these as single chips, they'll soon be saying hello to mr amd soon for doing so

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Vista wont run properly on my machine it refuses to output widescreen 1680 :1050 :( and just givers me 1028 by to small

The motherboard manual does make it look like they will run singularly? maybe a couple of us could chip in for a pair and split em lol

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Do you use a analogue or digital cable zing?

That gfx card you sold me automatically sets my res at the 12XX x 768 my widescreen monitor loves.

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my screen dont have dvi I bought a cheap one as I tested a dearer one prior and saw no difference between the 2 :) ive tried everything I could new drivers tried to force the screens drivers 32 bit 64 bit ultimates 32 bit business no intel drivers and with intel drivers all with the same results poor res :(

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These chips are just opeterons with a gamers tag applied to them.
I'd much rather have some Xeon 5300's.
What graphics chip are you using Zing ? Try powerstrip, thats good for forcing res out of things

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cool ill give it a go .x1900xt

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The x1900xt should be able to handle the res nicely. It is a pain with non standard resolutions as i've had to force mine to do 1366x768 for my lcd tv. You just create a new custom resolution and it should save it so you dont need to run powerstrip anymore

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Cool I will give that a go next time I mess :)

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Was thinking about upgrading to core2duo e6600...but am soon put off by the fact its gonna cost £950. And that's with trying to use cheaper options, out of my price range :(

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what were you intending to use?

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I'm sure I've just misunderstood, but how can higher clocks not equal more performance? OK, comparing the clock speeds of differing CPU architectures is like apples to oranges, but saying that higher clock frequencies on the same architecture doesn't equate to a faster CPU is just wrong. That or everyone that overclocks their hardware is living under a fallacy.

I would have liked to see higher speeds before more cores, at least until the majority of software is truly multithreaded.

BTW, Moore's Law (in layman's terms) only says that the number of transistors on an IC will double every 24 months, nothing about clock speeds. :)

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where did I mention anything about it being on the same platform I didnt obviously the faster speeds on the same cpu. However it was relevent when the Prescott was trying for higher speeds and massively more so than AMDs 64 bit cpus but AMD was well ahead so its not just wrong at all. Intels C2D clock speeds are hugely lower than the prescots but the c2d is massively faster so again its not just wrong at all in the big picture its quite correct. I would imagine the E6600 at 2.4 will be faster than the fx 70 @2.6 gig so I didnt say lower speeds same platform cpus are slower than faster ones but did I really need to???

I concede my Moores law paoint but I doubt ill be wrong there in the long run anyway

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My (admittedly small) brain hurts after listening to that lot :)

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It was in reference to:

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yes but you cut the quote short. In a couple of years time apps will be properly multithreaded so 4 cores at 2 gig per core would need a single cored 8ghz to compete with it

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Yeah, but imagine 4 cores at 8GHz. :drool:

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well im imagining multithreaded apps will be mainstream before 8 gig cpus by a long way ;)

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Doubt it Zing... I'm a developer and companies dont give a toss about effecient coding. Besides a single core is fast enough by itself and why build faster and more efficient coding when you dont have a direct competitor.

Some apps will have to go smp of course due to stiff market competition... Also how much is Vista internally tuned to running under SMP vs single core anyway.

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Its down to market forces and those with the wedge make the desisions. Anyway Intel couldnt even break 4 ghz with a stock cpu and no they are under 3 ghz so I dont see 8 ghz happening in a hurry as has been proven there is just to much heat and to many problems why else did Intel change all its plans? it was for fun it was because they simply couldnt hit 4 gig with a cpu they could sell retail at that speed.
Ive championed multi core computing and I will continue to do I was proven right when AMD released a dual core FX cpu and I seriously dont see me proven wrong and if I am it wont be for years so ill worry about it then

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Mate dont get me wrong but SMP rocks My 5 year old dual Pentium 3 servers are like only a third off the pace with todays core 2 duo.

As I keep saying, getting the masses to go from 1 core to 2 core will yield them great results and benefits (partly due to windows INEFFICIENCY / deficiency or just plain old user incompetence :)

And so selling the sheep quad core should be easy but unfortunately will not yield as good a performance leap as going from 1 to 2 cores. Unless of course there will be new hardware and software made available to make full use of quad core.

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No point continuing time will be the desider. One things for sure computing is still a baby imagine where it will be in 20 years

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I hadn't heard that, but then I've still got a bit of catching up to do on my tech news feeds.

I noticed that in 1 of the Quad FX articles I read, then again it was based on the assumption of using 2 Nvidia cards in SLI mode. Personally, I could live with having only the 1 [ATI] graphics card, as it's more CPU grunt that I need. Having said that, the [yet to be released] Saphire "Crossfire on a card" X1950 Pro Dual does look rather nice. [img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

I can't help but wonder if the Socket F Opterons [2000 & 8000 series] might not have the same problem, as in reading reviews of them I don't recall seeing it mentioned.

I could be wrong, but I think the 2000 series have 2 HT links [1 to their own RAM, 1 to the other CPU], & the 8000 series has 3 [1 to their own RAM, & 1 each to 2nd & 3rd CPUs]

It's supposed to be a lot better, in terms of the scheduler assigning threads to cores, than XP, but only time [& reviews :)] will tell.

I have to [grudgingly] admit that some of the stuff in Vista looks nice, for example the ability to make thumbnails in a folder bigger or smaller with a slider, & also the ability for the search funtion to whittle down the listed results as you type in the search box, similar to the 1 in Thunderbird.

Other than those 2 things [which I reckon should be able to be added to XP by a 3rd party app], I don't really see a compelling reason [for me] to switch to Vista. I'm also not happy with all the DRM/TPM crap in it.

Well, they're still listing them. The American site [I'm assuming you were referring to Newegg?] was still listing them yesterday as single CPUs, though there was some mention of them having to be purchased as part of a bundle, so it looks like they may be caving to AMD's demands whilst trying to make it appear [to the buying public] that they're still selling them seperately.

No, they're AM2 X2 cores with the HT links enabled [IIRC standard AM2 X2s have the HT links disabled].

Just had a quick look on the AMD CPU comparison site, & compared 2 CPUs: the FX-70 & the Opteron 2218 [both 2.6Ghz, both have 2x1MB L2 cache]. Even though they're both made with a 90nm SOI process, the FX-70 draws 125W - compared to the 2218's 95W. There's obviously something different there.

I may be an AMD fanboy, but I have to admit they do sound nice. Mmm... 8 cores... [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] [yes, I do use a piece of software that would take advantage of all of them :D]

& mine from reading it. I imagined him saying it out loud, going blue, & then gasping for breath when he was finished. :D

I know of a company that does... or does now anyway [they coded themselves into a corner with the previous "architecture" of their software, & had to start over from scratch].

I don't know any specifics, but I keep hearing that 2 or more cores are definitely recommended.

Oh, & on the clock speed issue, for whoever was saying that higher clock speeds were not too likely any time soon - somebody managed to get a a quad core Intel to 5Ghz, & a dual core Intel to 8Ghz... admittedly they had to use LN2 in both cases, but they did it. :disturbd: Also, IIRC, IBM's latest PowerPC chip - the Power6, weighs in at 6Ghz.