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Zee 12-01-2007 00:57
20Mbps News?
 
Its now the new year, and time for a new thread regarding 20Mbps ;)

So does anyone have some fresh news when we can start expecting 20Mbps? They are being really silent about this one ...

dev 12-01-2007 02:02
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
considering areas cant do 10mb, why should ntl do 20mb? to give more things for people to complain at?

murfitUK 12-01-2007 02:45
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
My 4Mb service still won't go above 0.5Mb because the network is saturated. Until they get this problem fixed there's really no point in them even thinking about higher speeds.

For folks like me (paying the full whack, by the way, because they still won't give me a discount based on rubbish service) you may as well talk about 20000Mbps instead of 20Mbps.

qasdfdsaq 12-01-2007 03:21
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Seeing as most DSL areas can't do 8mbps, is the possibility of ntl:Telewest introducing a service that can only be had in some areas really that incomprehensible?

Sherlock 12-01-2007 03:56
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by murfitUK (Post 34196073)
For folks like me (paying the full whack, by the way, because they still won't give me a discount based on rubbish service) you may as well talk about 20000Mbps instead of 20Mbps.
:shocked: Gutted. If ya only getting 0.5mbps and the network is saturated in your area, surely you should get some sort of compo? If not why not? :(

Bill C 12-01-2007 07:12
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34196053)
Its now the new year, and time for a new thread regarding 20Mbps ;)

So does anyone have some fresh news when we can start expecting 20Mbps? They are being really silent about this one ...
So the fact that i have been saying don't listen to rumours,
Don't expect them to do 20 meg just because they tested it everyone still expects 20 meg.

I would expect 20 meg when NTL say we are going to give us 20 meg.
I expect NTL to give use 20 meg when the network can handle 20 meg.
I don't expect NTL to give us 20 meg because the jungle drum rumour system says we are getting 20 meg.

Here's a new rumour ;) lets see how fast this becomes the expected. reality "NTL to offer 100 meg each way connection's and a free router and free DVD blanks" The bloke down the pub told me that one, Cost me a couple of beers too he said he had overheard the cleaner talking about it at hook:Yikes:

If NTL decide to give us 20 meg i am sure they will tell us :)


:LOL:

Nikesh 12-01-2007 12:25
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34196092)
NTL to offer 100 meg each way connection's and a free router and free DVD blanks
Woah, I will spread the news Bill...:erm: :D (Joke) lol

Stuart 12-01-2007 12:56
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34196092)
So the fact that i have been saying don't listen to rumours,
Don't expect them to do 20 meg just because they tested it everyone still expects 20 meg.

I would expect 20 meg when NTL say we are going to give us 20 meg.
I expect NTL to give use 20 meg when the network can handle 20 meg.
I don't expect NTL to give us 20 meg because the jungle drum rumour system says we are getting 20 meg.
People forget that NTL test a lot. Doesn't mean they will release it. I'm thinking of WiFi in London, 100 Meg in Dolphin Square and the "Turbo button" thing some members tested a while back. None have (AFAIK) gone on to launch.

I suspect that NTL will at some point launch 20 meg. I also expect them to launch 50 and 100 meg. But, they will only launch these speeds if and when they feel the market demands it. No point in launching those speeds (with all the associated network upgrade costs) if your competitors in most areas can only manage 8 meg.

brundles 12-01-2007 13:06
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
That's true enough for the speeds, but what about the prices? £35 isn't very competitive for that speed where it's available any more.

Stuart 12-01-2007 13:19
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
The thread isn't about prices.

Toto 12-01-2007 14:29
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
I'm wondering what goodies they will provide when they finally launch the new company name.

Paul K 12-01-2007 15:47
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
C'mon Zee. You know it's "coming soon" ;)

TraxData 12-01-2007 16:15
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34196092)
So the fact that i have been saying don't listen to rumours,
Don't expect them to do 20 meg just because they tested it everyone still expects 20 meg.

I would expect 20 meg when NTL say we are going to give us 20 meg.
I expect NTL to give use 20 meg when the network can handle 20 meg.
I don't expect NTL to give us 20 meg because the jungle drum rumour system says we are getting 20 meg.

Here's a new rumour ;) lets see how fast this becomes the expected. reality "NTL to offer 100 meg each way connection's and a free router and free DVD blanks" The bloke down the pub told me that one, Cost me a couple of beers too he said he had overheard the cleaner talking about it at hook:Yikes:

If NTL decide to give us 20 meg i am sure they will tell us :)


:LOL:
Ah yes, but didnt they give everyone 10mbit without telling us?

Tehehe...it's funny though, some ntl employee's have been told it's coming later this month, just a roll out without telling anyone...same with some managers, yet some people higher up have absolutely no idea NTL are even thinking of 20mbit, goes to show how ntl work as a company doesnt it ;)

Wicked_and_Crazy 12-01-2007 16:31
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Why would they give you 20Mb when 50Mb trials are in progress?

etccarmageddon 12-01-2007 16:44
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
because 50meg trial could be a long way off from a 50meg roll out due to technical issues - ie. new modems. whereas 20meg is simply a case of a new config file which when installed will instantly cause the network to meltdown!

Rik 13-01-2007 10:22
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dev (Post 34196071)
considering areas cant do 10mb
Obviously NTL can do 10 Meg, ive been getting full speed ever since the upgrade ;)

So the moral of the story is, if you want 10/20 Meg move to Hertfordshire :D

Paul H 13-01-2007 10:51
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Telewest are not doing any new speeds, so we are waiting for nothing.

Alex Brown said so

>2 Questions
>
>1. Can anyone tell us IF and When Tw / NTL plan to release info on 20mb.?
>
>2. And will this be a free upgrade or a Fixed Fee ?

At this point there are no plans to make any changes to our access
speeds. If this changes at any point in the future it will be
communicated via the usual channels.

Bill C 13-01-2007 12:32
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul H (Post 34196938)
Telewest are not doing any new speeds, so we are waiting for nothing.

Alex Brown said so

>2 Questions
>
>1. Can anyone tell us IF and When Tw / NTL plan to release info on 20mb.?
>
>2. And will this be a free upgrade or a Fixed Fee ?

At this point there are no plans to make any changes to our access
speeds. If this changes at any point in the future it will be
communicated via the usual channels.
Thats what i have been hearing since the testing of 20 meg finished.

Paul H 13-01-2007 13:32
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34196978)
Thats what i have been hearing since the testing of 20 meg finished.

What's the bets that they know the network can't cope from the increased speeds, so they won't be increasing the speeds but the throttling will be applied to everyone instead.

Toto 13-01-2007 20:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Given the trials that have been going on for speeds well above 10 meg, I would assume that "Alex Brown" is not giving anything away.

The term "no plans" is like the widely used statement by football club owners who have "full confidence" in their manager, weeks before they show him the door. :)

---------- Post added at 20:41 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul H (Post 34197012)
What's the bets that they know the network can't cope from the increased speeds, so they won't be increasing the speeds but the throttling will be applied to everyone instead.
I'll take that bet, assuming you mean ntl/Telewest will NOT be increasing speeds?

And don't think for one minute that the likes of Sky et al will not attempt some sort of traffic shaping in the very near future, if they can attract bandwidth hungry customers on to their network, they will have little or no choice but to filter those bad boys who are leaching it off everyone else.

Bill C 13-01-2007 21:35
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34197272)
Given the trials that have been going on for speeds well above 10 meg, I would assume that "Alex Brown" is not giving anything away.

The term "no plans" is like the widely used statement by football club owners who have "full confidence" in their manager, weeks before they show him the door. :)

---------- Post added at 20:41 ---------- Previous post was at 20:41 ----------



I'll take that bet, assuming you mean ntl/Telewest will NOT be increasing speeds?

And don't think for one minute that the likes of Sky et al will not attempt some sort of traffic shaping in the very near future, if they can attract bandwidth hungry customers on to their network, they will have little or no choice but to filter those bad boys who are leaching it off everyone else.
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.

salem 13-01-2007 21:56
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197301)
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.
Sky bb Max 16 Mb will still be better than Ntl 10 Mb, they both shape but sky is £17 a month cheaper and even if sky's contention ratio it high it will STILL be faster than the UP TO 10 meg (PMSL) that i dont enjoy from ntl:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

S

Bill C 13-01-2007 22:00
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salem (Post 34197315)
Sky bb Max 16 Mb will still be better than Ntl 10 Mb, they both shape but sky is £17 a month cheaper and even if sky's contention ratio it high it will STILL be faster than the UP TO 10 meg (PMSL) that i dont enjoy from ntl:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

S
Then Enjoy :erm:

This is what i enjoy on a Saturday night at 10.00pm PMSL

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/58.png

Toto 13-01-2007 22:01
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197301)
Its so easy to implement a bad boys pipe with adsl. Just ask anyone on Tiscalie that has exceeded there AUP more than once ;). Also as $ky are using UKonline's DSLAMS then they can traffic shape as soon as they want to as UKONLINE has been traffic shaping its customers for the last year.
Yes, as my friend on plusnet found out. :)

I think many seem to forget that the likes of ntl and Telewest have put Broadband on the map for domestic users in the UK. They have also prompted serious competition too, which is good for all, and allows posters such as Salem feel real satisfaction with his current supplier.

I still feel though that cable has something more to offer, and will do so very soon.

Zee 13-01-2007 23:09
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
When i download torrents, i always max out at 1.1MB/s whether its 8pm or 1pm - i don't get traffic shaped...

Horizon 14-01-2007 00:07
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
....yep, get full speeds here too. Unlike the tv service, ntl know how to do broadband, at least in my area.

Was on the phone to retentions yesterday and they said that the 10mb will be upgraded to 20mb soon at no additional cost. They wouldn't give me an exact date when this would happen, but the clear statement was that 20mb is coming and soon. These guys tend to know a little bit more than the main customer relations dept, so we'll see soon enough if they're correct or talking rubbish. I also asked about a 50mb service and pointed out that there are trials going on. The retentions person was aware of the trials but said he had no information when or if this would be coming to ntl. So 20mb maybe soon, 50mb not anytime soon.

Chrysalis 14-01-2007 00:18
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34196305)
People forget that NTL test a lot. Doesn't mean they will release it. I'm thinking of WiFi in London, 100 Meg in Dolphin Square and the "Turbo button" thing some members tested a while back. None have (AFAIK) gone on to launch.

I suspect that NTL will at some point launch 20 meg. I also expect them to launch 50 and 100 meg. But, they will only launch these speeds if and when they feel the market demands it. No point in launching those speeds (with all the associated network upgrade costs) if your competitors in most areas can only manage 8 meg.
Probably will depend on bts adsl2+ rollout, as you said its down to market pressure.

skynet777 14-01-2007 17:49
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34196053)
Its now the new year, and time for a new thread regarding 20Mbps ;)

So does anyone have some fresh news when we can start expecting 20Mbps? They are being really silent about this one ...
Well considering their 4mbps is unstable i'm not suprised.

Zee 14-01-2007 19:38
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
I'm happy with the service in my area, even thinking of ditching Sky+ for ntl Digital

Sun, 14 Jan 2007 19:36:01 UTC

1st 512K took 281 ms = 1822.1 KB/sec, approx 15014 Kbps, 14.66 Mbps
2nd 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps
3rd 512K took 437 ms = 1171.6 KB/sec, approx 9654 Kbps, 9.43 Mbps
4th 512K took 438 ms = 1169 KB/sec, approx 9633 Kbps, 9.41 Mbps


Overall Average Speed = approx 10984 Kbps, 10.73 Mbps

Duke 14-01-2007 20:01
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34197352)
When i download torrents, i always max out at 1.1MB/s whether its 8pm or 1pm - i don't get traffic shaped...
How the hell do you do that?
I am on 10mb ntl, but I have never gone higher than 250kbps, mostly 60-100kbps.
Tell me your secret?
Yes I have used torrents with loads of seeders etc.

TraxData 14-01-2007 21:10
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke (Post 34197777)
How the hell do you do that?
I am on 10mb ntl, but I have never gone higher than 250kbps, mostly 60-100kbps.
Tell me your secret?
Yes I have used torrents with loads of seeders etc.
Private sites with 10+mbit seeders are your friend.

Duke 14-01-2007 21:17
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Hmmm, got any invites for me :D :angel:

salem 14-01-2007 21:19
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197317)
Then Enjoy :erm:

This is what i enjoy on a Saturday night at 10.00pm PMSL

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/58.png
Missed the point as usual:rolleyes:
S

Bill C 15-01-2007 07:42
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salem (Post 34197834)
Missed the point as usual:rolleyes:
S
Not at all.

And sly digs don't bother me. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 07:42 ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by salem (Post 34197315)
Sky bb Max 16 Mb will still be better than Ntl 10 Mb, they both shape but sky is £17 a month cheaper and even if sky's contention ratio it high it will STILL be faster than the UP TO 10 meg (PMSL) that i dont enjoy from ntl:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

S
If's its in your exchange.
If you are less than about 2.5 km's from the exchange.

2 big if's but if $ky are so much better than what you have now when are you moving to them. ?

If i was on ADSL provided out of the NTL exchange then as i am 10 .7 KM from the NTL exchange i would be lucky to even get 512k. However as i am on cable modem i get this.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/28.png

For you ADSL fan boys just remember you cannot change the laws of physics or in other words the longer it is the worse it will get :D and no amount of tweaking will get it any better

hardtarget 15-01-2007 13:39
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
do we need a bt line for sky broadband?

orangebird 15-01-2007 13:57
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hardtarget (Post 34198058)
do we need a bt line for sky broadband?
Yes - not cable phone line at least.

skynet777 15-01-2007 19:58
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hardtarget (Post 34198058)
do we need a bt line for sky broadband?
why cant sky bb work of a dish like sky itself?

homealone 15-01-2007 20:05
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skynet777 (Post 34198291)
why cant sky bb work of a dish like sky itself?
broadband needs a return path, which a Sky dish doesn't have, it can receive, only, not transmit.

djmacca 24-01-2007 00:01
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
wunder if they will compete with bethere! there on 24mb arnt they

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/29.png

brundles 24-01-2007 02:11
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmacca (Post 34204599)
wunder if they will compete with bethere! there on 24mb arnt they
To be honest I doubt it. While Be have a good product it's still subject to the usual ADSL limitations and in the grand scheme of ADSL suppliers still a minority ISP (especially as 24mb is only available on LLU exchanges).

The financial state of NTL: TW means that they can't afford to compete directly with an ISP like that - they will aim to remain competitive with the majority market share. A high quality 10meg service does just that. (OK, some will argue the high quality part of that line but you get the idea...)

Bill C 24-01-2007 06:55
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmacca (Post 34204599)
wunder if they will compete with bethere! there on 24mb arnt they

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/29.png
Mr B might make them ;)

Central 24-01-2007 09:10
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197969)
Not at all.

And sly digs don't bother me. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 07:42 ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 ----------



If's its in your exchange.
If you are less than about 2.5 km's from the exchange.

2 big if's but if $ky are so much better than what you have now when are you moving to them. ?

If i was on ADSL provided out of the NTL exchange then as i am 10 .7 KM from the NTL exchange i would be lucky to even get 512k. However as i am on cable modem i get this.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/28.png

For you ADSL fan boys just remember you cannot change the laws of physics or in other words the longer it is the worse it will get :D and no amount of tweaking will get it any better
NTL Exchange???

Surely you mean BT;)

d0pey 24-01-2007 09:23
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34197969)
Not at all.

And sly digs don't bother me. :rolleyes:

---------- Post added at 07:42 ---------- Previous post was at 07:38 ----------



If's its in your exchange.
If you are less than about 2.5 km's from the exchange.

2 big if's but if $ky are so much better than what you have now when are you moving to them. ?

If i was on ADSL provided out of the NTL exchange then as i am 10 .7 KM from the NTL exchange i would be lucky to even get 512k. However as i am on cable modem i get this.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2007/01/28.png

For you ADSL fan boys just remember you cannot change the laws of physics or in other words the longer it is the worse it will get :D and no amount of tweaking will get it any better
I only got 14mbps with ADSL2+ and I am only 1.4km from the exchange (line length) 600m as the crow flys.

Central 24-01-2007 09:25
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by d0pey (Post 34204709)
I only got 14mbps with ADSL2+ and I am only 1.4km from the exchange (line length) 600m as the crow flys.

I get the full 24mb on ADSL2+ and I am the same distance as you.

SOSAGES 24-01-2007 09:33
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
there are so many factors - i would be happy with anything over 4mb on adsl :)

d0pey 24-01-2007 09:55
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SOSAGES (Post 34204716)
there are so many factors - i would be happy with anything over 4mb on adsl :)
I personally do not like it compared with cable it seems to slow and outdated.

Rapid Dr3am 24-01-2007 11:07
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
I attended a meeting last week in which they did said we have tested successfully 100mb.

No roll out date, but the system works.

darrin1471 25-01-2007 13:06
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rapid Dr3am (Post 34204825)
I attended a meeting last week in which they did said we have tested successfully 100mb.

No roll out date, but the system works.
During IBC, Pace and BigBand Networks will be demonstrating the results of their collaborative efforts consistent with DOCSIS 3.0 specifications, which will show downstream rates in excess of 100Mbps for the delivery of broadband and video data. The demonstration consists of the BigBand Cuda(r) CMTS (cable modem termination system) and a prototype Pace channel bonded DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem
"Furthermore, DOCSIS 3.0 also incorporates support for the Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6), which greatly expands the number of Internet addresses that cable operators can use. This, in conjunction with the far greater broadband speeds (up to 160Mbps downstream and up to 120Mbps upstream), will enable more IP-based services to be offered to consumers."

http://www.pacemicro.com/corporate/n...m.asp?id=10473

Chrysalis 25-01-2007 13:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
adsl2+ really should be classed as 16mbit l commend bulldog and sky for doing this, whilst it can reach 24mbit it is very rare and most people achieving above 16mbit usually do it by squeezing their snr margins to low levels.

Central 25-01-2007 14:03
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34205941)
adsl2+ really should be classed as 16mbit l commend bulldog and sky for doing this, whilst it can reach 24mbit it is very rare and most people achieving above 16mbit usually do it by squeezing their snr margins to low levels.
You are mistaken.

I can quite happily get 20mb with a SNR of 6.5. And as it stands my SNR is 2.5 and my synce speed is 23.5mb

Chrysalis 25-01-2007 14:07
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
you are one of those people who think it happens to me so it must be common, do some research and you will find over 16mbit is rare. Bulldog and sky arent capped to 16mbit there is a very good reason they marketing it as 16mbit.

Also to add atm has a heavy overheads penalty, you would need a synch speed of 18mbit+ to even get 16mbit tcp speeds. So on a normal snr margin of 6.5db (6 considered the lowest for stable connection by every isp I know off) your tcp throughput would be around 18mbit.

Rik 05-02-2007 18:19
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Ah well not long now till Uma & Richard gives us 10Meg users our 20MB/50MB upgrade ;)

Imagine the amount of Linux Isos you can download with that Bill! lol :D

Locky 05-02-2007 20:15
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
i dont think we are going to get any upgrade any time soon

Nikesh 05-02-2007 20:20
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34213772)
i dont think we are going to get any upgrade any time soon
But, 50Mb is coming soon.

Locky 05-02-2007 20:22
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikesh (Post 34213778)
But, 50Mb is coming soon.
well they say, they trialed 20 meg, and all tht kinda fell of the radar, so why shud 50 be any different jus because they said on bbc (i think it was)

TraxData 05-02-2007 20:31
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34213781)
well they say, they trialed 20 meg, and all tht kinda fell of the radar, so why shud 50 be any different jus because they said on bbc (i think it was)
Yep...NTL tend to talk out of their arses alot ;)

Nikesh 05-02-2007 20:31
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34213781)
well they say, they trialed 20 meg, and all tht kinda fell of the radar, so why shud 50 be any different jus because they said on bbc (i think it was)
I don't know, the 20mb trial wasn't really publicised but speeds of 50mb was.

Bill C 05-02-2007 20:34
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rik (Post 34213699)
Ah well not long now till Uma & Richard gives us 10Meg users our 20MB/50MB upgrade ;)
So Coming soon ;)

Locky 05-02-2007 20:42
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34213802)
So Coming soon ;)
i hope so myself, just cant see it happening

slowcoach 05-02-2007 21:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
As RB said, "You ain't seen nothing yet" ....... very true.

Locky 05-02-2007 22:13
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowcoach (Post 34213871)
As RB said, "You ain't seen nothing yet" ....... very true.
As Locky says "We ain't likely to see nothing for a long time"... very true

dcclanuk 05-02-2007 22:31
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
***Breaking News***

Ntl announce 20mb upgrades!!!

































NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT;)

[It was a naaaaaaaaaat joke, for ppl that didnt get it, watch Borat!!!;)]

sorry if i got ur hopes high:D

nho1993 06-02-2007 17:40
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcclanuk (Post 34213912)
***Breaking News***

Ntl announce 20mb upgrades!!!

































NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT;)

[It was a naaaaaaaaaat joke, for ppl that didnt get it, watch Borat!!!;)]

sorry if i got ur hopes high:D
love that film :D

Zee 06-02-2007 17:48
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
ntl, or Virgin Media now are going to have to do something soon because companies like Be are really extending now, Bulldog, UK Online too...

Chrysalis 06-02-2007 21:10
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
be,bulldog,ukonline all use outdated copper adsl where in real terms as matt has found isnt all that great.

Hom3r 06-02-2007 21:17
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
What modems are currently given out by NTL, and what are the maximum speeds they can receive and send out over the CAT 5

Zee 06-02-2007 21:19
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
So there are threads here on Cableforum, ntlhell & digitalspy regarding upgrades to 20Mbps for 10Mbps customers very soon...
... people have even reported that their upload has been upgraded to 500K on the 4Mbps service (up from 400K) confirmed by an ntl employee on ntlhell as being upgraded to the 500K upload on the 4Mbps service.

Perhaps ntl are now going to upgrade so people think Virgin Media are awesome....

Shaun 06-02-2007 21:20
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34214667)
be,bulldog,ukonline all use outdated copper adsl where in real terms as matt has found isnt all that great.

Where as I find my "outdated copper" gives me a stable and fast (around 15.5Mbit) connection where Ntl couldn't give me a working connection let alone speeds approaching 15.5Mbit.

Lets not get into this ADSL v's Cable again. Shall we just say each to their own?

Nikesh 06-02-2007 21:24
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zee (Post 34214674)
So there are threads here on Cableforum, ntlhell & digitalspy regarding upgrades to 20Mbps for 10Mbps customers very soon...
... people have even reported that their upload has been upgraded to 500K on the 4Mbps service (up from 400K) confirmed by an ntl employee on ntlhell as being upgraded to the 500K upload on the 4Mbps service.

Perhaps ntl are now going to upgrade so people think Virgin Media are awesome....
Cool, I was wondering why my upload speed was slightly faster yesterday. :)

The annoying thing is, I can't check what my upload speed because I have a Terayon modem. :(

SnoopZ 06-02-2007 21:34
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikesh (Post 34214679)
Cool, I was wondering why my upload speed was slightly faster yesterday. :)

The annoying thing is, I can't check what my upload speed because I have a Terayon modem. :(
Try http://www.bandwidthmonitorpro.com/ and upload a file somewhere.

dcclanuk 06-02-2007 21:35
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikesh (Post 34214679)
Cool, I was wondering why my upload speed was slightly faster yesterday. :)

The annoying thing is, I can't check what my upload speed because I have a Terayon modem. :(
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html

should give u ur answer;)

or, fire up a torrent on a public tracker, and see what's ur upload rate!
if u REALLY wanna chk, U CAN!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 34214685)
Try http://www.bandwidthmonitorpro.com/ and upload a file somewhere.
lol, posted the same time, but the same idea!

SnoopZ 06-02-2007 21:37
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dcclanuk (Post 34214686)
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html

should give u ur answer;)

or, fire up a torrent on a public tracker, and see what's ur upload rate!
if u REALLY wanna chk, U CAN!

---------- Post added at 21:35 ---------- Previous post was at 21:34 ----------



lol, posted the same time, but the same idea!
Yours is probably easier but http://www.bandwidthmonitorpro.com/ might be more accurate and i wouldn't be without it.

Nikesh 06-02-2007 21:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Did the thinkbroadband test and I got 0.4Mbps upload through wireless. So, I was probably just imagining it yesterday lol ;)

Locky 06-02-2007 21:44
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikesh (Post 34214696)
Did the thinkbroadband test and I got 0.4Mbps upload through wireless. So, I was probably just imagining it yesterday lol ;)
haha probably, lets see what happens / gets announced on the 8th !

dcclanuk 06-02-2007 22:06
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Locky (Post 34214698)
haha probably, lets see what happens / gets announced on the 8th !
I am lucky I got thursdays off at uni this term:dunce:

So this thursday should be fun!

Bill C 07-02-2007 19:27
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DieDieMyDarling (Post 34215341)
They didn't quite stick to that when releasing 10mb. :D
True :angel:

You might even get a little surprise from Mr B ;)

There again you might not :(

Nothing like edging your bets :LOL:

SnoopZ 07-02-2007 19:33
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill C (Post 34215345)
True :angel:

You might even get a little surprise from Mr B ;)

There again you might not :(

Nothing like edging your bets :LOL:
Damn you tease! :D

Bill C 07-02-2007 19:57
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 34215353)
Damn you tease! :D

As always ;)

Chrysalis 07-02-2007 23:50
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 34214675)
Where as I find my "outdated copper" gives me a stable and fast (around 15.5Mbit) connection where Ntl couldn't give me a working connection let alone speeds approaching 15.5Mbit.

Lets not get into this ADSL v's Cable again. Shall we just say each to their own?
sure when people stop mentioning adsl is good just because a small % get near max speeds.

from an average perspective the average cable connection will outperform the average adsl connection, especially when 20mbit is rolled out.

DarkGashX 07-02-2007 23:56
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34215633)
sure when people stop mentioning adsl is good just because a small % get near max speeds.

from an average perspective the average cable connection will outperform the average adsl connection, especially when 20mbit is rolled out.
That is very true. That is why I switched. If only VM would rollout to other areas for other people.

slowcoach 08-02-2007 00:10
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Something's on the move!
Had problems loading sites for a few minutes then normal service resumed, did a few speed checks and got consistent 20 meg, then it went on the blink again and I was back down to 10.
So now I am expecting a surprise tomorrow.
Just don't disappoint me VM.

etccarmageddon 08-02-2007 01:34
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
still on 10meg here!

Horizon 08-02-2007 02:00
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
There's no mention of 20mb on the new web site, so I'll doubt we're getting it just yet. Although they'd be no complaints from me if it did arrive later today!

Rik 08-02-2007 04:50
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
/me prays for 20meg!

PS I pay full price for my services, me 1st! LOL ;)

Im not a member of the "Retentions R Us Club" :D

Chrysalis 08-02-2007 13:12
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkGashX (Post 34215640)
That is very true. That is why I switched. If only VM would rollout to other areas for other people.
I would be willing to bet that cable 10mbit probably has a higher average throughput then 24mbit adsl2+ services.

DarkGashX 08-02-2007 13:18
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
That was my point. Cable can be superior to adsl but it isnt in all areas.

Downloads 08-02-2007 13:23
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
From the rep i spoke to this morning 20mb isn't even on the cards anyway, it's 50mb. Just wish he could have been more precise, but he didn't know any details. If it isn't a state secret now Virgin has launched, are you able to enlighten us anymore Bill? Confirm that the rep was right?

Enuff 08-02-2007 13:34
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
My outrageous guess is 20mb and/or 50mb sent with love on Valentines Day from RB :romance:

DarkGashX 08-02-2007 13:38
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodger444 (Post 34216160)
My outrageous guess is 20mb and/or 50mb sent with love on Valentines Day from RB :romance:
I'm with you on that one.

TraxData 08-02-2007 15:59
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Downloads (Post 34216155)
From the rep i spoke to this morning 20mb isn't even on the cards anyway, it's 50mb. Just wish he could have been more precise, but he didn't know any details. If it isn't a state secret now Virgin has launched, are you able to enlighten us anymore Bill? Confirm that the rep was right?
Current network cant do 50mbit (unless its bonded??)

whole network would require being updated first.

And a virgin rep said that 50mbit would be available to CUSTOMERS during the first quarter of 2007, well, only got till end of march.

but if i was you i wouldnt get my hopes up, ntl lie, virgin will lie, it's only a name change guys, still the same company underneath.

etccarmageddon 08-02-2007 16:44
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
ahhh but he/she said 'available to customers' he/she didn't say 'available to all customers in all areas'.

Zee 08-02-2007 16:48
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
If you think ntl, Virgin Media (i need to get used to calling them that) are going to upgrade people to 50Mb for free, you've got another thing coming, perhaps 20Mb for free, but there is no way they would give 50Mb

TraxData 08-02-2007 16:55
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34216361)
ahhh but he/she said 'available to customers' he/she didn't say 'available to all customers in all areas'.
he said 'To ALL paying customers' within the first quarter of 2007.

If they cant/are not going to get it out in that time frame, why lie and say they are?

etccarmageddon 08-02-2007 17:05
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
If you think ntl, Virgin Media (i need to get used to calling them that) are going to upgrade people to 50Mb for free, you've got another thing coming, perhaps 20Mb for free, but there is no way they would give 50Mb
correct, there is no business sense in providing 50meg for £35 a month as there is no competition from ADSL/LLU etc - ie. ADSL can only reach HALF that speed and only for a small percentage of homes.

awibble 08-02-2007 17:07
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
But if they did, im pretty sure that most people that can get Cable would be even more tempted... I never knew how good cable was untill BT couldnt give me 6.5Mb at my new house. It seems cable is pretty good compared to using BT and Sky.

If virgin really extend the network, they could cripple BT and Sky with the packages they are offering.

etccarmageddon 08-02-2007 17:49
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34216374)
he said 'To ALL paying customers' within the first quarter of 2007.

If they cant/are not going to get it out in that time frame, why lie and say they are?
why lie? a customer service person could lie to get a sale or cos they are serving their notice period after being made redundant - any number of reasons.

TraxData 08-02-2007 17:51
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by etccarmageddon (Post 34216422)
why lie? a customer service person could lie to get a sale or cos they are serving their notice period after being made redundant - any number of reasons.
Still, not the smartest thing to lie about while on live tv now is it, gives the company a bad rep (but hey, ntl already have that :P)

etccarmageddon 08-02-2007 19:41
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TraxData (Post 34216425)
Still, not the smartest thing to lie about while on live tv now is it, gives the company a bad rep (but hey, ntl already have that :P)
ahhh right if that promise was made on live TV then that's a different story - they will have to stick to it just like the promise to make 10meg the standard speed with different usage allowances!

awibble 08-02-2007 19:45
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Would be nice if the rumors about the 14th where true... would be a great welcoming present for me :D

Chrysalis 09-02-2007 13:34
Re: 20Mbps News?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by awibble (Post 34216385)
But if they did, im pretty sure that most people that can get Cable would be even more tempted... I never knew how good cable was untill BT couldnt give me 6.5Mb at my new house. It seems cable is pretty good compared to using BT and Sky.

If virgin really extend the network, they could cripple BT and Sky with the packages they are offering.
they are expanding but only via adsl LLU, meaning they will have the same copper limitations that adsl has, so I am expecting a different service in non cabled areas.


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