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:hyper: Finally Apple have got round to introducing the iPhone :drool: :drool:

Although I don't know how Linksys are going to feel about it being called that. Looks pretty amazing. Need to see how much it'll cost over here but I WANT ONE!!!

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Doesn't cisco systems own the iphone brand.

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Yep Linksys launched some Voip phones tagged iPhone a few weeks back. Probably flogged the brand name to Apple for a large sum.

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I also want one they look very nice wonder how much and how long till we can get hold of them!

Id want a good case for it though - dont wanna get that screen scratched!

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This is over the top, google maps will tell you where you are, its phone, ipod, movie player, internet, all touch screen, expand images using your fingers, and on and on and on.

Its gonna cost a bomb

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You can use them together, so phone a number right off the net, send photos vbia the phone, etc etc

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Phone will keep going as you talking, so you can talk and email/browse at same time (dunno how that works)

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Available in Europe Q4 this year, according to Engadget... just as my Orange contract comes to an end! How handy!

*wants*

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The Register think it'll flop as it'll not get enough subsidy from the networks. :(

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And it comes at a hefty price tag!

$499 for 4 gig model
$599 for 8 gig model

All with a 2 year contract in the states..

Think ill upgarde my phone as usual in the spring and see what the iphone's like and decide in 2008

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Its a bit OTT imho. The price tags will put a lot of people off too.

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8GB? Is that all??

I've got a phone that can all of that - it's made by HTC and runs software from Microsoft. It's called a Windows Smartphone!

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Damnnnnnn that looks nice :)

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IwantoneIwantoneIwantoneIwantoneIwantone :hyper:

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I think you need to look at the feature set more :erm:

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http://www.apple.com/iphone/phone/

I gotta get one of those :drool:

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I'll join you there Chris.............thinking flight to the US when this baby comes out????? problem with adapter F*** that for this I'll go to the states before it comes out in Europe....THIS LOOKS VERYYYYYYYYYYYYY SWEET :D

ow some more piccies and stuff if interested:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/

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Is it going to be quad band from launch then, or are they going to stitch up ROW and build it as a CDMA phone, or will it be UTMS?

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I'd be a bit careful about that, I suspect the 'EDGE' high-speed data network connectivity that they're boasting will have to be replaced with european 3g connectivity for sale over here (unless it's just a branded version of the same thing, but I wouldn't bet £300 on that). You might just get it back over here and find there's no networks it can work with.

It's going to be a long 12 months until next Christmas, but I know what I'm asking Santa for. :D

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long long long 12 months Chris...am dying to get me little mits on that phone. shame bout camera tho but hey I can live with a 2meg cam..

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhance..._GSM_Evolution
It already exists on Orange in the UK apparantly.

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That's interesting - although as none of us have ever heard of it, and nobody is seen pushing it in the UK, I wonder whether Orange merely dabbled with it and whether they are actively using it. Also, what kind of coverage it has ...

I don't know what the market is like in the US, for all I know they have focused on EDGE (apparently also known as 2.75G) rather than on full-blown 3G. I would still bet that this launches as a 3G handset when it comes to the UK - I would go so far as to say it will seriously dent their sales potential if they don't, unless they can be advertised as being like 3G except cheaper to run.

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I so so so so want one of these. Just viewed the flash videos on the apple site. This is one amazing smart phone.

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Looking forward to watching the keynote laters on ( as long as it gets posted tonight). You can say what you laike about jobs but I really enjoy watching his presentations.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/keynote/

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Just in case anyone missed it. Apple Computer Inc have changed there name to just Apple Inc.

Small change but worth noting after 30 years

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Phones are always expensive in the US, so I wouldn't go by that. Phones that are/were free here on 12 month contracts with free gifts, were cost money + connection fee + 2 year contracts in the US.

I'd like to know how smart it actually is, as the releases are bit vague. Will you be able to run 3rd party apps on it?

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Whilst I think it's a bit pricey for a phone compared to what we all pay now, I remember thinking the same thing about the iPod when it was launched.... "bah, who'd pay that much for an MP3 player" and look what happened to that.

If any company can pull it off, Apple can.

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It runs widgets, which can be developed by anyone - I reckon the answer to that is 'yes'.

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I wonder what the other phones will be like in a year's time. The Orbit/HTC P3300 is already extremely impressive. By next year, there'll probably be phones that have all the good features of iPhone, and more like the ability to play divx movies (which I hear won't be permitted on the phone)

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The keynote presentation is now up for streaming, if you can get past the congestion.

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It hardly just a phone though, I cannot see any device that matchs this. Its a new area almost, a hybrid of Phone, PDA, and iPod. Its got a lot more functionality than a PDA or smartphone.

It plays movies, widescreen.
It detects if the phone has been placed in portrait or landscape
Music fades out when you have a call, then fades back in after
Photo display
Music (iPod mode)
Phone mode looks cool, nice way of going though contacts
Internet, with google maps. Which detects where you are! You can phone direct of google maps/internet.
and so on

3rd party apps are a possiblity IF they are provided I think Punky. It is OSX after all.

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Widgets aren't applications though. There's a big difference between a desktop addon (what Apple calls a widget) and a system-level app.

It all widgets are a highly cut down version of an application will permits only very certain system calls. If any.

So its not a given that just because Apple says we can run widgets, that we'll be able to run OpenOffice on it or something.

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I have heard somewhere that it can run apps. they need to be developed for it though because of the different interface and interaction methods.

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Those are new features?

PDA-Phone hybrids have been available for years. The also play more music and video than Ipods support. Every feature there is available elsewhere already. The Orbit/HTC P3300 includes all that, and has a memory card slot and 2mp camera. Actual features worth having it appears the iPhone doesn't

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Also, there's no 3G/HDSPA which more phones will have next year.

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We'll see. I think Apple can pull it off anyway, from the look of it it all works quite well. There is a difference between having the features and making them work. Lack of a camera is odd, again makes it hard to place this device .

The phone and ipod section and combo looks good though so thats what would get me to buy it

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They are still applications, they are just framework dependent/restricted.

It's a typical apple release, a stylish, well made if not slightly over-priced item that implements previously thought of features with an innovative new rehash.

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Still early days yet anyway, until we see it in the wild and such we will never know for sure. Again it appears to be small touchs that do that. I like the motion sensing between portrait and landscape. Like the idea of putting my ipod and phone into one as well...

Price will be a sticking point, hope we get word on the UK release

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Doesn't it have a 2MP camera?

I think by the time it reaches us they might add 3G support in one way or other, seen as Edge isn't really available over here, just GPRS.

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I don't doubt it will sell. Apple will sell millions. The form factor is very nice.

Details are still coming in though, but atm, I don't think it will realise its potential. Its being burdened down with Apple's policies for one, and doesn't contain anything revolutionary. Even the much heralded multi-touch screen, I don't think is a first (could be wrong)

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Thats because the network subsidies are much much lower.
$60 so GBP30 gets you 900 minutes to use between 7am and 7pm. Unlimited calling between 7pm and 7am and unlimited calling to other phones on the Cingular network. Unused minutes roll over to the next month. The 2 year contract is if you get a handset subsidy. I have no contract as I am using an unlocked Orange K750i.

This unlimited calling is to any US number consider that the equivilant of having unlimited european roaming and free calls to any EU number land or cell.

The best Cingular benefit is being able to add more handsets to the same contract for $10 a month.

Contracts map differently and certainly the roaming costs in the EU mean that there is no eqivilant plan.

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And there is nothing wrong with that. Reinventing something thoughtfully and stylishly.

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Slightly?????? This is Apple. Try massively :erm:

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I not sure about its success, mostly becauses it overloaded with features and I am not sure what to call it. Its more than a phone, ipod or pda like i said.

I think that it may not be revolutionary but Apple have made a stylish job here. The screen is not only nice but the touch looks good (again, not used it). The Phone looks good. It may not containing anything new but the implementation, ease of use, style and combination of what is included could make it succesful.

The Visual voicemail looks cool, and other small touchs. With Apple is usually about how they do it. No point have features if they dont work or are difficult to use. Here they all look quite seemless to work.

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Not suggesting there is, I love the phone, I'm watching the demo as we speak (he mentioned 3g support in the future).

I'm not likely to get one soon though. As I mentioned many of the features are for sake of style than pure practicality and some people can't justify the purchase price on style.

But many people can and I expect it will be a big success. Looks lovely.

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Overloaded with features is a bad thing?? Eh??

Its what it lacks (quite a lot, camera, memory card, 3G atm) which is more important. Brand loyalty has its limits, even with Apple.

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What does it lack besides a camera?

edit: As posted below it does in fact have a camera

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What no one ever factors in is style and quality. Something that will always make the likes of aple and sonydearer.

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Yup. I do know a lot about the US mobile system. One thing to point out to people here is that unless you have a Nextel (and now Sprint PCS?) Incoming calls use your minutes, so 900 isn't as good as it first sounds.

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It's got a 2 Megapixel camera.

Technical Specifications
Screen size 3.5 inches
Screen resolution 320 by 480 at 160 ppi
Input method Multi-touch
Operating system OS X
Storage 4GB or 8GB
GSM Quad-band (MHz: 850, 900, 1800, 1900)
Wireless data Wi-Fi (802.11b/g) + EDGE + Bluetooth 2.0
Camera 2.0 megapixels
Battery

* Up to 5 hours Talk / Video / Browsing
* Up to 16 hours Audio playback

Dimensions 4.5 x 2.4 x 0.46 inches / 115 x 61 x 11.6mm
Weight 4.8 ounces / 135 grams

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See above, like memory card, 3G, and quite possibly platform-independent applications which still hasn't been confirmed. Given Apple's description of a widget, I wouldn't count on running OpenOffice or similar on it, doing spreadsheet stuff on to work. Apparently with widgets, it can tell you the weather though. Not much consolation.

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I stand corrected on that... But it still doesn't add a massive amount over its competitors.

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The UK/EU version would probably have full UMTS/HSDPA support by the time it's release in Q4.

I think it's only using GPRS/EDGE so far because the US hasn't really begun their next gen network roll out.

Also, as far as I'm aware only Orange here in the UK support the EDGE platform.

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Must be a boy thing cos I just want a phone to ring and I can call people. Don't care about pixels and cameras and two-flange-overmeters or whatever gizmos you end up paying a fortune for :p:

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Yeah. Slightly tongue in cheek there. It definitely applies to some of the accessories though. I bought an ipod mains charger a while back. I believe Apple charged £20. I paid £5 for a generic one.

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It must be a bummer when flying though. Can't use your mp3 player/watch videos in-flight as the device is a phone.

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Really?


Like Gavin said, PDA/phones & smartphones have been around for ages.


My old (2003) Sony-Ericsson P900 (running Symbian UIQ) could do all the normal phone things, plus access the internet, plus do PDA stuff, plus play MP3s & other audio formats, plus play various video formats, plus run a whole load of excellent & cheap/free software. It was then succeeded by the P910i (minor improvements), & then recently the much delayed P990i (same features as before, but faster, more memory, support for larger memory cards, wireless, 3G, etc.).


My O2 XDA Mini S (aka HTC Wizard) runs Windows Mobile 5, Pocket PC Phone Edition. Again, it can do all the normal phone things, plus access the net, plus do all the "PDA stuff", plus plays MP3s & other audio formats, plus plays WMVs & divx & xvid & so on, plus runs a whole load of excellent & cheapish/cheap/free software, plus takes nice big mini SD memory cards, plus has wireless G, plus can connect to a satnav, and so on & so on & so on. It's already been replaced by faster better devices with more features.



Symbian & Windows Mobile are the two main OS for smartphones & PDA/phones AFAIK, and they & the devices they run on keep getting better.



The iPhone does look very nice, which isn't surprising as it's an Apple product, but I don't see how - at the moment - its a "new area almost" or "without match".

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But compare to say the K750i or the K800i SE handsets. SE really has done fabulous stuff, now a 3.2Mp cameraphone that they are happy to brand as a cybershot. A media player that plays MP3 and AAC files. Proper 3g. Decent battery life, sync to Outlook etc and slips in the pocket and bomb proof. Also can take a 1Gb memory card (possibly more in the K800.

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I imagine it has flight mode. Even the new K800 which is more phone than other devices has flight mode.

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Some more information coming out. Typing is claimed to be 'difficult' and it cannot sync wirelessly with a computer (not to sure about the truth of that one). Web speed is said to be ok but not fast. And, Punky, its not open to 3rd part development. ('yet')

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The software auto-corrects if needs be for mis-typing and you can zoom in and out on maps, images, webpages by spreding your fingers apart or pinching them in

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/0...th-the-iphone/

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Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Cool. :)

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From what I've read mine can do all of that...already.

OK it doesn't have a multi-touch keyboard, but mine does have full slide-out qwerty keyboard...and the screen won't get greasy fingers when I type on that!

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I don't know if this applies to other airlines, but Virgin specifically tell you to turn off your phone even if it has a flight mode.

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Doesn't suprise me in the least.

Spreadsheet/database/word processing work vs stock quotes and weather reports... Something that can be done with just a browser.

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I'm not surprised , you have more holidays than Judith Chalmers. No room for spending on gadgets.

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I seem to remember sitting in a London pub with a certain lady who was fascinated by Chris W's smartphone..

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I was so annoyed when I heard this on the aeroplane. I bought a SE W810i instead of buying a separate mp3 player and phone thinking that I would be allowed to listen to music on the plane in flight mode. :mad:

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Not any more
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...useonboard.jsp
In flight, once fasten seatbelt signs are turned off:
Mobile telephones, smartphones and PDAs: may be used but they must be in flight safe mode from before departure. Those without flight safe mode will have to remain turned off.
Curiously they will also check for this - gawd knows how.
LAPTOP BATTERY RESTRICTIONS
Customers wishing to use an Apple, Dell or IBM laptop on board can only do so once the laptop battery serial number has been checked by a member of the Cabin Crew.

- If the battery is permitted for use, the laptop may be used as normal on board, with no further restrictions.

- If however the battery is identified as being from the affected batch as identified by Apple, Dell or IBM, the battery must be removed. In cabins where the seats are fitted with In Seat Power Supplies, leads/adapters will be offered. Where no ISPS is provided or no laptop leads/adapters are available, the use of these affected laptops is prohibited.

Any removed or spare batteries must be individually wrapped/protected and placed in your Carry On Baggage. This is limited to two batteries per passenger.

Virgin Atlantic is in communication with Apple, Dell and IBM. As soon as this safety issue is resolved these restrictions will be lifted.

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That's good then, they've changed the rules. I went on Virgin Atlantic last summer and I wasn't allowed to use my phone in flight mode.

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On the contrary, it adds plenty. It runs bona-fide OSX, including widget applications ... and there are already tonnes of those available, free, to download. Lots and lots of little fun add-ons ready and waiting. I could have just as much fun with this as I used to with my Palm before it became a little obsolete and I got bored being told by palmgear.com that my handheld wouldn't run the apps that sounded the most fun.

Plus they will get OSX under the noses of a wider community of developers, which they are sure to be hoping will have pay-offs for the Mac itself. I think Apple has been extremely shrewd here.

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I not to sure on the iPhone just yet. I am trying to decide between the Nokia N73 or the Sony K800i :S

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Finally got the keynote to stream and watched it all.

Gob smacked by the phone, if it runs half as smooth as the demo it will be better than most out there.

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Just that like an iPod it will be impossible to use with a glove on. Trying to work out where the remote control wire for my 3G iPod is so I don't keep having to take my gloves off this winter.

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On the full keynote presentation around 50.11 he says 3G is on the roadmap. So don't go expecting it just yet? There is a huge US market to sell this too first, working on one network, not trying to adapt its functionality to the quirks of the multiple EU networks.
Wonder if they will let the networks co brand it - splash screens, menu layouts hotkeys to their content sites etc.

'Plan to make 3g phones and all sorts of other amazing things in the future'

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6250511.stm

Well you were right deathtrap3000. According to this link, Cisco are gonna fight them for it. Apple didn't pay them any money and they asked permission, but were denied. Apple say its silly but it looks pretty clear to me.

Cisco have used their name in one of their own products, i presume if Apple can do this, someone else can release an Ipod?

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I thought they would try to resolve it. They were in talks, it seems a pretty weak case giving that Apple are well known for the 'i' prefix and a phone was on the way.

I am pretty sure in cases such as that, a company can claim it would have been their trademark. Similar to the way web domains are handled if you take one that could be used in advance.

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I'm hoping something like a iphone nano, which would be pretty cool.

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for years now ive always said "ill never have an ipod", but damn, that phone is tempting!

my n80 maybe taking early retirement

Not sure what to reckon of the law suit, It is abit cheeky for them to go ahead and use the name after cisco refused it. But apple maybe able to claim that they have a better market presense with the i prefix

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I don't think so, according to the site the name was registered for years prior to 2000 when Cisco procured it. How can they then claim it would have been their's when it was already in use by Infogear prior to 2000 before being bought by Cisco, who by default then owned that name?

Sorry that won't hold, there is no way on this planet they will be given it.

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Cisco could have a case -
Link

"The firm has owned the name since it bought Infogear Technology in 2000, which registered the name. Infogear had previously used the name for several years, said Cisco."

Infogear filed for the iPhone trademark in 1996, two years before the iMac came out.

edit - bottoms, just beaten to it.

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Why not? They won the right to use the name iTunes after somebody had registered that a year or so before Apple announced the iPod.

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The iPhone looks fantastic - did they say it would be available in from October in Europe.

I see the N800 - http://www.nokia.co.uk/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_86591 - has also been announced - if it is better than the N770 it will be fantastic as well.

What is the choice for next Xmas ??????

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Someone didn't register the name ITunes. They registered a web domain ITunes. Apple registered the name ITunes and were therefore given the web domain.

In this case... The name IPhone was registered by Infogear which is now owned by Cisco. The web domain doesn't come into it.

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Anyone fancy an iphone early this year?

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/i...ated-at-birth/

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Cisco to sue Apple on iPhone name...

Source

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iPhone is becoming a bit of a headache for Apple now.

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Just watched the earlier bit of the keynote with the itv getting renamed to apple tv. I don't get why they can't rename the phone to apple phone, works well for me?

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Ooooh it's gotta be the N73, i'm going to sell my phone and buy this very soon:D
Both phones are really good though but i've always had Nokia's.
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=47960
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=319983

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Nope! I have changed my mind about the N73, The N95 is where its at

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/..._5MP_Camer.php

O2 in march! 5MP Camera, Web browsing 3G, Video Playing (many codecs and formats, big screen, GPS. and on and on and on :D

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Slightly off topic (camera, not a phone) - Costco are getting this little beauty in at the end of Feb 2007 (and it's only just been announced at CES2007).

£135 for 7.2mp, anti-shake, face recognition, auto-focus, 3x optical zoom, and it plays MP3s and tv-quality MPeg4 videos on it's 3 inch screen.
i70

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Jobs confirms no 3rd party apps for iPhone

There you go. You'll have to make do with widgets checking for stock quotes and other over-priced apps that Jobs has to personally approve.

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You love Apple really ;)

N95 is excellent phone though, want to to come out soon

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Bah. Screw that, I'll stick to WM5 & Symbian.

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http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?ml_video=80781

:rofl: "Im Flaccid with rage"

As for the guy who was having trouble deciding between N73 and the K800, i had the same dilemma a couple of weeks back, so i went into Vodafone, played with both and the N73 takes the **** out of it. Incidentally i've only ever had SonyEricsson Phones before (excluding one time when i tried a Motorolla -never again) and this is my first Nokia phone.

I then proceeded to get a stonking deal from the vodafone rep by haggling like a Arabic Market trader.

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I am gonna get the N95 instead.

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Yeah I'm going to look at the N95 when I renew my contract in June I think. Wonder how much O2 will want me to pay...?

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Irony: Steve Jobs boasting about how many patents Apple have, then citing the Mac as a massive innovation in computing, when (IIRC) Apple were successfully sued by Xerox for copying various concepts used in the Mac's user interface (Windows, Mice, that sort of thing).

:D

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N95 is OK, but a bit thick for me. The O2 Orbit (HTC P3300) is better. Its much thinner (about as thick as my Razor, closed), and still has GPS and wi-fi. Camera isn't as good though.

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Ironically since Xerox management had already decided those projects at PARC were not worth it and refused to make it.

Xerox of all people could have been a big player in IT

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I don't have too much of a problem with that - my hands are large so I don't want the possibility of pressing all the buttons at once with one finger lol :D

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Very nice!

http://www.enuff.co.uk/forum/index.p...43.html#msg443

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Not a hint of a shameless plug of another forum there eh? ;)

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I had a play with a customers Orbit last week - very nice - but he didn't opt for any GPS software so I couldn't test it out!

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I won't repeat what I think here...instead I'll just point you to my comments...

:D

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:rofl:

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This is what he actually said:



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/te...in&oref=slogin



I can see his point. While I would like to have the freedom to muck about with my iPhone (when I get one :D ) as I do with my Palm currently (I would hope to replace the Palm with this), I appreciate the need to keep the phone working. And I don't think there's any basis for saying that the only apps that will be available will be overpriced widgets for checking stock prices either. ;)

Besides, if the thing has a fully-featured web browser, there are online services for almost everything these days. Google Docs & Spreadsheets springs to mind.