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Paul K 20-12-2006 15:34

BBC goes P2P
 
BBC
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Hundreds of episodes of BBC programmes will be made available on a file-sharing network for the first time, the corporation has announced.
The move follows a deal between the commercial arm of the organisation, BBC Worldwide, and technology firm Azureus.

The agreement means that users of Azureus' Zudeo software in the US can download titles such as Little Britain.

Until now, most BBC programmes found on peer-to-peer file-sharing networks have been illegal copies.

Beth Clearfield, vice president of program management and digital media at BBC Worldwide, said that the agreement was part of a drive to reach the largest audience possible.
Well this could get interesting if it forces others into allowing their programming to be distributed in this way.

Chrysalis 20-12-2006 15:41

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This only interests me if they start distributing their archives of things like grange hill and totp.

Paul K 20-12-2006 15:47

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There was talk of the archives being opened up some time soon. Maybe this is them testing the water?

Nikesh 20-12-2006 16:06

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Imagine being able to access nearly everything that has aired on BBC. That would be incredible :)

Paul K 20-12-2006 16:28

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Would be but note this....
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users of Azureus' Zudeo software in the US
This
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No pricing structure for the BBC content on Zudeo has been revealed.
And this
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The titles will be protected by digital rights management software to prevent the programmes being traded illegally on the internet.

Gareth 20-12-2006 17:09

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Hopefully that's just to stop non-licence fee-paying people outside Blighty from accessing it.

Paul K 20-12-2006 17:13

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But how would Blighty bound fee license fee payers be allowed to download them? I get the feeling this is not going to be good for Brits :(

Gareth 20-12-2006 17:22

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Yeah, sorry, re-reading the article and actually taking the time to understand it shows that my post above completely misses the point.

Sorry... it's been a long day

/me == retard

Paul K 20-12-2006 17:28

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I get the feeling a lot of people will miss it too when they read the article on the BBC :(

Chrysalis 21-12-2006 11:06

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 34183087)
There was talk of the archives being opened up some time soon. Maybe this is them testing the water?

yeah there was but was a year or two ago and still nothing.

bluecandylover 28-12-2006 06:50

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So if it is going on other P2P platforms, I take it they are scrapping the iMP idea?, But making it avaiable on other P2P servies won't make the BBC happy however will keep the downloaders happy, the reason I think the BBC wont be happy is because the Licening, wont anyone in the world be able to download, and two didn't they not have a DRM on the content on iMP?

Chris W 28-12-2006 22:10

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perhaps a system where there is DRM, but entering your TV license number on your "account" gives you unlimited credit to download what you please... then that ensures those who don't pay their license fee can't download for free ;)

poolking 30-12-2006 00:40

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Originally Posted by Chris W (Post 34186840)
perhaps a system where there is DRM, but entering your TV license number on your "account" gives you unlimited credit to download what you please... then that ensures those who don't pay their license fee can't download for free ;)

I thought this system is for US citizens only, so I don't think TV license number would come into it?

Druchii 30-12-2006 01:08

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Originally Posted by Chris W (Post 34186840)
perhaps a system where there is DRM, but entering your TV license number on your "account" gives you unlimited credit to download what you please... then that ensures those who don't pay their license fee can't download for free ;)

Until Un-DRM'd versions become available, if not more popular than the DRM'd ones themselves.

Hom3r 30-12-2006 01:26

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I very much doubt that older programs (early 90s and earlier would be done)

Plus think of the storage needed to hold all these titles, plus the time needed to encode them on to PCs

Chrysalis 30-12-2006 10:30

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If they did it on a non p2p platform I may have felt for the first time ever I getting some value for my licence money but instead they want me to give them bandwidth using p2p and allow others to download from me, no thank you. If I use it ill block uploads.

popper 30-12-2006 11:00

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Originally Posted by david.ewles (Post 34187644)
I very much doubt that older programs (early 90s and earlier would be done)

Plus think of the storage needed to hold all these titles, plus the time needed to encode them on to PCs

not a problem, the average original mpeg2 Drwho.ts is 1.2 gig per hour.
encoded to AVC/x264 useing MEncoder264 MEncoder264
http://mulder.dummwiedeutsch.de/home...ml#mencoder264
at 640 x 352@900kbit/s brings it down to something like 290meg, if you want to go mad, but still get better quality than the old ASP divx/xvid encoding, then you can reduce it to below 500mbit/s and it will still look good at full screen res (you can get it down as low as 100meg wth practice and smaller screen/bitrates with AVC/x264).

its VERY handy for the old laptop (and handheld devices) that cant cope with the original 3000kbit/s ts and it encodes with the right settings (dont use insane), a little over realtime with your average x86 amd cpu.

you can use dvbportal TSConverter to cut it up and get the junk out so as to make it even smaller to begin with, and it works with AVC/x264 encoded content so thats a bonus.

Chrysalis 01-01-2007 18:12

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the format of xvid I download for tv is approx 350meg per 45 minutes.

For High Res format the size is double to 700meg per 45 minutes and for 1020p its doubled again I think.

popper 02-01-2007 00:41

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 34189157)
the format of xvid I download for tv is approx 350meg per 45 minutes.

For High Res format the size is double to 700meg per 45 minutes and for 1020p its doubled again I think.

what screen size are those btw, and at what bitrate (2 pass encode i assume?) when i said 'you can reduce it to below 500mbit/s' that was ment to say 500kbits/s 400kbit/s work ok too on some stuff and even AVC 290kbit for really good web streaming.

did you try that AVC mencoder264 on clean mpeg2.ts 3 minute test cases yet to compare?.

Stuart 02-01-2007 00:59

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Originally Posted by bluecandylover (Post 34186494)
So if it is going on other P2P platforms, I take it they are scrapping the iMP idea?, But making it avaiable on other P2P servies won't make the BBC happy however will keep the downloaders happy, the reason I think the BBC wont be happy is because the Licening, wont anyone in the world be able to download, and two didn't they not have a DRM on the content on iMP?

BBC America (who are doing this) and BBC are two seperate organisations (apart from the fact that the BBC own BBC America), and this is being done by BBC America. It does not follow that the BBC will use the same system in the UK.

BBC iMP is supposed to be UK specific.

Chrysalis 02-01-2007 18:39

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here is info I found for one of the files.

Format: XviD 2 Pass
¦ Video: 640 x 352 @ 25fps
¦ Audio: VBR MP3 Average 128k
¦ Source: DVB-T

thats for 45mins of the bill 350meg xvid. Looks fine on my 19" monitor although would probably appear blocky on a large widescreen tv.


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