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The Jackal 03-11-2006 15:47

Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Dont throw away your old DDR and AGP card just yet.....

If like me all your machines are dated like Socket A / AGP and plain old DDR then this could a big hit without shelling out a fortune buying PCI Express graphics cards / DDR2 memory.

Yes this is not pretty and chipset mixing will lose u a little performance /zero overclocking potential but is certainly something you could do if you're on a budget or just want to test the Dual Core Platform.

Prices off ebuyer...

E6300 - £117.50 inc (Good overclocker which you can keep for later when you get proper hardware)
E6400 - £153.94 inc
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/377/14/
ASRock 775DUAL-VSTA SKT 775 - £38.58 inc (it doesnt have firewire though :rolleyes: ) but a good search around will prolly reap a good few better boards in the pricerange or maybe even at the £30 mark

The Jackal 21-11-2006 10:19

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
I just decided to do this :

I should have a kick a$$ new machine for just £270 (price inflated by the need to have a couple of SATAs in RAID0).

The E6400 is only 143 squid on microdirect....

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 2.13GHz 1066FSB LGA775 2MB cache Retail inc.Fan (3yr Manufacturers Warranty) 1 121.99 121.99
DELIVERY 1 8.49 8.49
Asrock 775DUAL-VSTA motherboard skt775 VIA PT880 1066FSB PCI-E AGP 8x SATA RAID LAN ATX (Dual core & compatible) 1 31.45 31.45
160 GB Samsung HD160JJ SATA2 7200rpm 8mb cache oem 2 34.40 68.80

Total VAT £ 40.38
Total Price Excluding VAT £ 230.73
Total Price Including VAT @ 17.5% £ 271.11

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 10:21

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Ive used that board in fact Bopdude has a machine built by me on that board and ive touted it for ages ;)

I know not of any other boards with agp/pci-e and DDR and DDRII
The 805 clocks to over 3 gig on it btw ;)

The Jackal 21-11-2006 10:23

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
*PANTS*

Just realized that the missus is coming over 2morrow - will have to explain what this stuff is for ........ hmmmmm excuses coming up........

Machine in DC is bust need parts hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Oh well

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 10:24

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Im sure you will think of something ;)

The Jackal 21-11-2006 10:30

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34163335)
Ive used that board in fact Bopdude has a machine built by me on that board and ive touted it for ages ;)

I know not of any other boards with agp/pci-e and DDR and DDRII
The 805 clocks to over 3 gig on it btw ;)

SWEET I know its a good clocker for the ol Pentium Ds but I really want a Dual Core for multitasking they are in a league of their own.

I'm expecting average to slight loss performance with this kit : Will get a decent mobo and *PHAT* cooler in the new year.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34163335)
I know not of any other boards with agp/pci-e and DDR and DDRII
The 805 clocks to over 3 gig on it btw ;)

I think Asus p5..... vm or somthing is the other board that can support DDR1 I was reading on some of the o/c forums but I went with this one as I can see all their settings on the forums LOL they've done all the hard work for me :

No fapping around with Vcores n memory timings heh. Anyway I wont be able to oc much on this board anyway so no worries.

Stuart 21-11-2006 11:28

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34150112)
Dont throw away your old DDR and AGP card just yet.....

If like me all your machines are dated like Socket A / AGP and plain old DDR then this could a big hit without shelling out a fortune buying PCI Express graphics cards / DDR2 memory.

Yes this is not pretty and chipset mixing will lose u a little performance /zero overclocking potential but is certainly something you could do if you're on a budget or just want to test the Dual Core Platform.

Prices off ebuyer...

E6300 - £117.50 inc (Good overclocker which you can keep for later when you get proper hardware)
E6400 - £153.94 inc
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/377/14/
ASRock 775DUAL-VSTA SKT 775 - £38.58 inc (it doesnt have firewire though :rolleyes: ) but a good search around will prolly reap a good few better boards in the pricerange or maybe even at the £30 mark

I got one of those boards on Saturday, with a E6600. I currently have 1 Gig DDR (PC400) RAM, and a GForce 6600 AGP. I'll be replacing the Memory when I get some more money, but the Graphics Card will have to wait until DX10 cards come down to a reasonable price.

I'm pretty sure I am not getting the best performance I could for games, but that's probably due to my card being AGP. I have to admit, while good performance in Games is nice, it's not a major point for me, as I tend to use the Xbox 360 for games anyway.

But, for DVD and Video work, it rocks. Nero was encoding a DVD at almost 400 frames a second!

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 11:38

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Your preaching to the already converted there dude :)

The Jackal 21-11-2006 11:38

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34163382)
I got one of those boards on Saturday, with a E6600. I currently have 1 Gig DDR (PC400) RAM, and a GForce 6600 AGP. I'll be replacing the Memory when I get some more money, but the Graphics Card will have to wait until DX10 cards come down to a reasonable price.

I'm pretty sure I am not getting the best performance I could for games, but that's probably due to my card being AGP. I have to admit, while good performance in Games is nice, it's not a major point for me, as I tend to use the Xbox 360 for games anyway.

But, for DVD and Video work, it rocks. Nero was encoding a DVD at almost 400 frames a second!

Yeh I think granted we will prolly lose around 5~10% but hell we've saved well over £300 by recycling memory and grahics... I'm looking at this as a bit of a testbed to see how I get on... Just can't wait for it to come through the door lets just hope I dont get too excited like when I got my first barton.... mounted fan crack - core - shesh luckily I had bought 2 at the same time then :rolleyes:

I will try doing some DV capture/encoding (purpose of the upgrade) when I get the board trouble is I'll have to use an old firewire card as this board doesn't come with IEEE1394.

TheBlueRaja 21-11-2006 11:40

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Out of the Dual core range - whats the best bang for buck? Is it worth shelling out for the E6600 for the 4meg cache?

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 11:41

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
yes

The Jackal 21-11-2006 11:46

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34163388)
Your preaching to the already converted there dude :)

Mate I read the reviews about the E6xxx ages back and was just gob smacked !

I had already converted when I read the reviews ! Now I'm jsut getting the hardware :)

PS Quad core review ? Overkill maybe think a bump in speed would have been nicer than going quad core.

just reading this at the moment

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/09/10..._uk/index.html

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34163391)
Out of the Dual core range - whats the best bang for buck? Is it worth shelling out for the E6600 for the 4meg cache?

I think so if you're gonna being doing some heavy encoding / CAD etc AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THAT PIECE OF JUNK CALLED WINDOWS

BTW E6600 was my first choice many months back

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 11:48

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Only over kill cuz its 700 quid lol

The Jackal 21-11-2006 11:56

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34163401)
Only over kill cuz its 700 quid lol

Yeh but my point is that it'll be tricky to max out all 4 cores in everyday use and even if you do wheres the bandwidth going to go ? Surely the harddisk wont be able to take it hence becoming a system bottleneck.

Anyone know if the filesystem can handle a dual core unraring on 1 core and unziping on the other core simultaneously.

I mean how does the filesystem react to that ?

TheBlueRaja 21-11-2006 11:57

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34163394)
snippy..

I think so if you're gonna being doing some heavy encoding / CAD etc AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE USING THAT PIECE OF JUNK CALLED WINDOWS

BTW E6600 was my first choice many months back

At least WPA works though eh! :D

The Jackal 21-11-2006 12:03

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34163405)
At least WPA works though eh! :D

LOL works here too :) and actually I prefer bringing the interfaces up and down manually it's a lot quicker than going control panel, networking start stop etc


xxx@vaio-xxx-net:~$ iwconfig wlan0
wlan0 IEEE 802.11g ESSID:"T1-Private"
Mode:Managed Frequency:2.412 GHz Access Point: 00:14:BF:D8:F6:78
Bit Rate:54 Mb/s Sensitivity=-200 dBm
RTS thr:2346 B Fragment thr:2346 B
Power Management:off
Link Quality:100/100 Signal level:-68 dBm Noise level:-256 dBm
Rx invalid nwid:0 Rx invalid crypt:0 Rx invalid frag:0
Tx excessive retries:0 Invalid misc:0 Missed beacon:0

xxx@vaio-xxx-net:~$ psg wpa
root 4625 1 0 09:08 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -dd

Aragorn 21-11-2006 12:16

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Good review of that Asrock board at anandtech. Might be just what I was after - I can stick with my Radeon 9800 Pro and 1Gb of DDR400 :) Make the upgrade a bit easier to stomach.

The Jackal 21-11-2006 12:18

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn (Post 34163418)
Good review of that Asrock board at anandtech. Might be just what I was after - I can stick with my Radeon 9800 Pro and 1Gb of DDR400 :) Make the upgrade a bit easier to stomach.

LOL exactly the same kit I have....

Maybe I should be on commission :)

Gareth 21-11-2006 14:12

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Oh, this is so tempting... certainly makes the cost of upgrading easier to swallow by doing it progressively.

Think I'm gonna have to speak nicely to the financial controller in our household tonight.

Wonder if I could squeeze in a nice, silent case in at the same time.... anyone got any recommendations of which ones to go for, if I do get the thumbs-up on this?

The Jackal 21-11-2006 14:14

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34163489)
Oh, this is so tempting... certainly makes the cost of upgrading easier to swallow by doing it progressively.

Think I'm gonna have to speak nicely to the financial controller in our household tonight.

Wonder if I could squeeze in a nice, silent case in at the same time.... anyone got any recommendations of which ones to go for, if I do get the thumbs-up on this?

Well offer her breakfast in bed : Seen link

http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/10/10/cheap_thrills_uk/

:D

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 16:36

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34163403)
Yeh but my point is that it'll be tricky to max out all 4 cores in everyday use and even if you do wheres the bandwidth going to go ? Surely the harddisk wont be able to take it hence becoming a system bottleneck.

Anyone know if the filesystem can handle a dual core unraring on 1 core and unziping on the other core simultaneously.

I mean how does the filesystem react to that ?

I run apps off different drives not just one ;) I can shrink 2 dvds at once I can burn 2 + at once I can play games and run AV scan as long as it does not scan games hard drive etc Lack of hard drives does bottle neck the dual core

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aragorn (Post 34163418)
Good review of that Asrock board at anandtech. Might be just what I was after - I can stick with my Radeon 9800 Pro and 1Gb of DDR400 :) Make the upgrade a bit easier to stomach.


Thats exactlly what Bopdude is running with a P4D805 :)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth (Post 34163489)
Oh, this is so tempting... certainly makes the cost of upgrading easier to swallow by doing it progressively.

Think I'm gonna have to speak nicely to the financial controller in our household tonight.

Wonder if I could squeeze in a nice, silent case in at the same time.... anyone got any recommendations of which ones to go for, if I do get the thumbs-up on this?

It is a good upgrade path route as later if you need to just buy a higher speced board :)

The Jackal 21-11-2006 16:45

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Yeh well we'll see how it performs when I install it 2morrow night.

Now what do I install vista or xp (I have to keep the masses happy : Look darling fast machine ! - the last one I built she said her work pc was faster FFS:mad: ) ? linux is gonna go it after I see how baldly it performs with xp... It'll be dual boot.

Thinking of partioning it like the :

2x120gig RAID0 ext3 20gig 10gig NTFS and the rest FAT32 made via linux so that both os's can see it.

Thing is that if I partition it like this wont I reduce the RAID performance gain ?

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 16:57

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Well I wouldnt use raid in house anyway. I would have as many single drives as possible.I doubt dual booting from a raid drive will cause any slowdown as the other systems wont be running.I would only run operating systems off it an use other drives for storage and processing etc

The Jackal 21-11-2006 17:04

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34163570)
Well I wouldnt use raid in house anyway. I would have as many single drives as possible.I doubt dual booting from a raid drive will cause any slowdown as the other systems wont be running.I would only run operating systems off it an use other drives for storage and processing etc

Well I got a win2k3 server running on RAID0 @ home and it really does fly the thing messing it up is of course NTFS and the need to defrag it. Mind you the card I used is a dedicated RAID card - I might have to do the same thing with this box as I'm not sure if I can trust the onboard RAID.... we'll see I'll give it a pop and post back the results over the next few days

bhoywonder1967 21-11-2006 17:24

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34163382)
I got one of those boards on Saturday, with a E6600. I currently have 1 Gig DDR (PC400) RAM, and a GForce 6600 AGP. I'll be replacing the Memory when I get some more money, but the Graphics Card will have to wait until DX10 cards come down to a reasonable price.

I'm pretty sure I am not getting the best performance I could for games, but that's probably due to my card being AGP. I have to admit, while good performance in Games is nice, it's not a major point for me, as I tend to use the Xbox 360 for games anyway.

But, for DVD and Video work, it rocks. Nero was encoding a DVD at almost 400 frames a second!

Got mine on Saturday too, only I went el cheapo and bought the P4 D805 instead, runs superbly with my DDR1 and a 9600XT.

Not reinstalled windows yet, probably do that at the weekend.

Got the board and CPU for £110.00 minus delivery from Aria.

Zingle, I didn't get the cooler you recommended, budget couldn't stretch to it. The stock cooler pretty good, not checked the temps yet but it not too loud.

zing_deleted 21-11-2006 17:32

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
change it later :) if you oc it and run it hard it will sound like an helicopter taking off lol

bhoywonder1967 21-11-2006 17:38

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
I doubt I'll overclock to be honest, It's already way faster than my previous CPU. I think it's time to start saving for one of those C2D's, the E6600 looks rather nice.

The Jackal 22-11-2006 11:18

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Waaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh :cry: loopy :nutter: missus wants me to go to pick her up so will most prolly miss this delivery....

Had to explain to her that I'm waiting for a delivery.

' What for ? '

' Errrr CPU '

' Do you really need it ? '

' Errrr yes :disturbd: '

Then I suggested ' Oh I'll pick you up sod the delivery ' (in the hope that she'd say something like dont worry wait for your delivery) .............

She replies.

' OK DONT BE LATE ' : FFFFFFFFS :mad:

---- Additional

The mobo says no 3.3V AGP cards could cause damage : what are 3.3V agp cards ? Will my HIS Radeon 9800pro be ok ?

All I have to go by is this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port

and the fact that some users on forums claim to be using a 9800pro with this board

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 11:23

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
there old if it fits it will be fine older cards with that voltage have different notches iirc

keithwalton 22-11-2006 11:53

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Yes 3.3v agp cards are first and 2x generation cards.

All agp 4x and 8x cards will be 1.5v and as Zinglebarb has quite rightly said there are notches to prevent installing incompatible cards.

Is that the mobo that wires up an agp slot via a pci-e bridge ? i seem to remember you take a hit on performance because its not true agp.

Asrock do some cheap upgrade boards, i remember they used to do one talled the hdtv-twins, which had ddr1/2 and was based on an ati chipset (better than via tbh) which may of had only a pci-e slot and no agp but it did have an onboard ati x300 which suffices as a budget video card and allows you to live with that for a month until your next paycheck.

As for those waiting for dx10 card prices to fall, thats not going to happen really until early next year when the Amd.Ati R600 arrives to compete with the Gf 8800, that and we actually get some use for dx10 (ie vista and games that support it).

currently the gf8800 is a dx10 card in name only as there still arent any dx10 drivers for it! nevermind any dx10 apps to run on it!
Still its not bad at running dx9

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 11:54

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
The Asrock boards are proper AGP. ECS released a board that did use the pci bridge to fake an AGP :)

The Jackal 22-11-2006 12:01

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
OK thanks for the info mate.

Was looking for a PCI-e card : shesh things have moved on so much over the past couple of years.

I'm not really interested in games (its a nice to have).

I'm more interested in a card that can produce QUALITY TV/HD out tv(s video) out preferred at the moment as my home CAT5 a/v network is scart based

keithwalton 22-11-2006 14:35

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164095)
The Asrock boards are proper AGP. ECS released a board that did use the pci bridge to fake an AGP :)

Ah fair enough then :-) shame its a via chipset really, they seem to have fallen by the wayside since ati/nvidia have been making chipsets as well. seems it's a poor overclocker too if it can only hit 290fsb, i thought the nv 590i was bad enough in that it maxed out at 325fsb.

The 680i from nvidia is a much better overclocker as it hits the 450+ ballpark that the intel chipsets do and some more.

Still its cheap :-) i'm tempted to make up a nat type box from bargain basement like parts.

The Jackal 22-11-2006 14:43

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keithwalton (Post 34164204)
Ah fair enough then :-) shame its a via chipset really, they seem to have fallen by the wayside since ati/nvidia have been making chipsets as well. seems it's a poor overclocker too if it can only hit 290fsb, i thought the nv 590i was bad enough in that it maxed out at 325fsb.

The 680i from nvidia is a much better overclocker as it hits the 450+ ballpark that the intel chipsets do and some more.

Still its cheap :-) i'm tempted to make up a nat type box from bargain basement like parts.


Yeh we all know it's a shi***te mobo but it's great as a cheap upgrade path.

If you're a hardcore overclocker with time to waste then this thread will have you in stitches ! LOL These boys are trying all sorts to get extra mhz outa this board - waste of time IMHO.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...php?t=17610938

You can get this board then OC your E6400 to hell when you finally get some decent kit :)

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 15:46

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keithwalton (Post 34164204)
Ah fair enough then :-) shame its a via chipset really, they seem to have fallen by the wayside since ati/nvidia have been making chipsets as well. seems it's a poor overclocker too if it can only hit 290fsb, i thought the nv 590i was bad enough in that it maxed out at 325fsb.

The 680i from nvidia is a much better overclocker as it hits the 450+ ballpark that the intel chipsets do and some more.

Still its cheap :-) i'm tempted to make up a nat type box from bargain basement like parts.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MB-174-AS what do you think about this board? im desperate to try this E6600 on something with no intel chipset

AntiSilence 22-11-2006 17:49

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keithwalton (Post 34164093)
Yes 3.3v agp cards are first and 2x generation cards.

All agp 4x and 8x cards will be 1.5v and as Zinglebarb has quite rightly said there are notches to prevent installing incompatible cards.

Not so. There's a universal AGP slot that has no notches, so you can fit any AGP card. I know this because I found out the hard way. When I went from my Athlon 750MHz with a 2x/4x card (before I knew anything about 8x AGP voltages) I got a new mobo (ASUS with 8x slot) which had a universal slot. A plain 4x card would work ok with the mobo, but an older 2x/4x card would not. It had the notches on the GFX card itself, but because the slot didn't have any 'stoppers' to fit in the notches, the card went in fine. Turned machine on. Had a problem in the BIOS with the AGP settings, wasn't sure why. 5 mins later, the mobo died. Did some research. Sent mobo back to Scan and claimed it was faulty as received :rolleyes:

The Jackal 22-11-2006 18:02

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I'm up n running boys...

Stock fan is suprisingly quet along with my modded PSU all the main noise is coming from the gpu

Excuse the mess on my desk and my smoking habits ;) : Anyone for a drink.

I'll have to install something on it now : Later I mean grrrr have chores to do now

Gareth 22-11-2006 18:21

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
mate, ask your missus for an ashtry for xmas ;)

The Jackal 22-11-2006 18:28

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Couldn't resist just loaded up Kororaa :

HOLY crap THIS THING FLIES !

Anyone know any linux benchmarking tools ?

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 18:32

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34164413)
I'm up n running boys...

Stock fan is suprisingly quet along with my modded PSU all the main noise is coming from the gpu

Excuse the mess on my desk and my smoking habits ;) : Anyone for a drink.

I'll have to install something on it now : Later I mean grrrr have chores to do now


thats not a Qtec power supply is it?

The Jackal 22-11-2006 18:35

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164446)
thats not a Qtec power supply is it?

Just checked

LOL yeh shoot me : Cheap n nasty... I slapped some quiet fans in there a few years back.... rated at 400W should be enough

CycoSymz 22-11-2006 18:35

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164446)
thats not a Qtec power supply is it?

I've got a Qtec psu in my machine :(

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 18:43

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Qtec are bad the 12 volt 4 pin dont last and I had one go pop on a machine on test the other day :Yikes:

mind you Crc yours seems to have lasted

CycoSymz 22-11-2006 18:47

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
I know they are rubbish but mine's been ok for 3 years.

Hope it lasts another 6 months till i can get nice new C2D system.

keithwalton 22-11-2006 18:48

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164287)
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=MB-174-AS what do you think about this board? im desperate to try this E6600 on something with no intel chipset

I'd avoid it, It has the same C19 northbridge as the 590i which caps out at 325mhz, you can get much higher fsb's out of the intel chips and the 680i, the AMD.ATI RD600 chipset should arive sometime soon though it's abit of a stillborn as only asus and dfi are going to make a board based on it and its the last chipset to be built by ati for intel cpu's for obvious reasons.

Conroe's / Allendales do like to give you free speed due to how cold they run. You should be able to get 3.5GHz out of that E6600 on air cooling no sweat with a good mobo.

Oh and welcome to the C2D owners club CrC-3rr0r. They really are blindingly quick chips!

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by keithwalton (Post 34164461)
I'd avoid it, It has the same C19 northbridge as the 590i which caps out at 325mhz, you can get much higher fsb's out of the intel chips and the 680i, the AMD.ATI RD600 chipset should arive sometime soon though it's abit of a stillborn as only asus and dfi are going to make a board based on it and its the last chipset to be built by ati for intel cpu's for obvious reasons.

Conroe's / Allendales do like to give you free speed due to how cold they run. You should be able to get 3.5GHz out of that E6600 on air cooling no sweat with a good mobo.

Oh and welcome to the C2D owners club CRC-3rr0r. They really are blindingly quick chips!

Have you had any luck with xp64 on an Intel based board though? ive tried with various chipsets with no real luck at all thats why I wanted to try an Nforce board :(

The Jackal 22-11-2006 18:52

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164456)
Qtec are bad the 12 volt 4 pin dont last and I had one go pop on a machine on test the other day :Yikes:

mind you Crc yours seems to have lasted

Thats interesting as I've never had to use the 12v 4pin connector : Was wondering why the mobo wouldn't post.

Once attached things started to work again.

I guess I should test the voltages once I get windoze on there : hwinfo ? is it or aida ?

- thanks for the warm welcome Zingle

zing_deleted 22-11-2006 18:53

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
you should have read the manual first dude lol lol the 4 pin powers the cpu ;)

The Jackal 22-11-2006 19:01

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164464)
Have you had any luck with xp64 on an Intel based board though? ive tried with various chipsets with no real luck at all thats why I wanted to try an Nforce board :(

After u mentioned it I read a bit about 64bit processing and felt that it's still not ready for prime time.

If anything I would trust winxp 64bit over linux distros that claim to be 64bit.

The main trouble is that developers are too lazy to redevelop for the 64bit platform they tend to just shoove things out of the door by recompiling 32 bit -> 64bit with the effect that it gives the same and in most case worse performance than the orginal 32bit app.

Its a shame really as ultimately 64bit is the future.

AntiSilence 22-11-2006 21:25

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34164446)
thats not a Qtec power supply is it?

I was gonna ask that!

The Jackal 23-11-2006 04:22

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by keithwalton (Post 34164461)
I'd avoid it, It has the same C19 northbridge as the 590i which caps out at 325mhz, you can get much higher fsb's out of the intel chips and the 680i, the AMD.ATI RD600 chipset should arive sometime soon though it's abit of a stillborn as only asus and dfi are going to make a board based on it and its the last chipset to be built by ati for intel cpu's for obvious reasons.

Conroe's / Allendales do like to give you free speed due to how cold they run. You should be able to get 3.5GHz out of that E6600 on air cooling no sweat with a good mobo.

Oh and welcome to the C2D owners club CrC-3rr0r. They really are blindingly quick chips!

Indeed Indeed.

Thanks for the welcome feels good already pity I'm currently neglecting my C2D - I guess I'm back on the o.c. warpath - new gear to follow :D - have been reading up and 2b honest the E6400 was not that a bad choice.

Came across this rig : One for Zingle to drool over :)

http://vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=19

zing_deleted 23-11-2006 07:55

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Over clockers have that board I was looking at that just yesterday :)
Alienware keep sending me mailshots with the quad and twin 8800's the gits lol

The Jackal 14-01-2007 17:45

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Might look at popping the new E4300 in this board and overclock it. The BORED has such limited o/c potential. My recent sugo build got an E6300 faster on a smaller platform than I did with an E6400 on this dualvsta board.

New E4300 £110 pre order @ komplett ? : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=330167

Some ppl are suggesting that the E4300 will overclock well in this board but its early days yet wait a few weeks and let the nerds try it out first.

bhoywonder1967 14-01-2007 18:33

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34197726)
Might look at popping the new E4300 in this board and overclock it. The BORED has such limited o/c potential. My recent sugo build got an E6300 faster on a smaller platform than I did with an E6400 on this dualvsta board.

New E4300 £110 pre order @ komplett ? : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=330167

Some ppl are suggesting that the E4300 will overclock well in this board but its early days yet wait a few weeks and let the nerds try it out first.

Good review of the E4300 at X-bit labs, they managed to get it o/c'd to 3.42 GHZ without much trouble.

I might consider getting one if my bonus comes through.

TheBlueRaja 14-01-2007 18:57

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34164816)
Indeed Indeed.

Thanks for the welcome feels good already pity I'm currently neglecting my C2D - I guess I'm back on the o.c. warpath - new gear to follow :D - have been reading up and 2b honest the E6400 was not that a bad choice.

Came across this rig : One for Zingle to drool over :)

http://vr-zone.com/?i=4215&s=19

You get what you pay for i suppose, i was looking for a half-way house between a brand new system and legacy components, this board fitted the bill perfectly.

It will get dumped eventually, but it now allows me to get DDR2, then PCI-E when i can afford it rather than all of it at once.

It was only 34 quid too... Hardly a major loss, but it will end up on Ebay someday.

Uncle Peter 26-01-2007 22:32

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Glad I found this thread - I've been thinking about investing in one of these boards so it's good to hear that the feedback is positive so I'll probably pop out tomorrow and invest in one. Not sure whether or not to be tight fisted and get the E6300 or go for the E6600.

zing_deleted 26-01-2007 22:39

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
whats wrong with the 6400 ;)

The Jackal 26-01-2007 22:42

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Things change quickly in the world of IT. A lot of the main overclocking boards have come down in price.

And we now have the E4300 which if you pop into this board will get you near to 2.7ghz which will be faster than my E6400 @ 2.3 :rolleyes:

So E4300 is your best bet if you're going with this board.

Alternatively do things properly and you could get a simple E6300 to 3.5ghz or 3.2ghz for the non experienced clocker....
P5n-e Sli or DS3 mobo : £70 - £80
E6300 : £120 ish
DDR2(at least 900Mhz stuff) Memory : £150 (yes its the most expensive but the most important if your going to overclock)

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Oh forgot yeh : You'll need a PCI-express graphics card too :rolleyes:

Oh well best bang per buck : E4300 + the DualVSTA

zing_deleted 26-01-2007 22:45

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Im guessing the 4300 is the faulty cpu that wont run at 1066 but is forced to run at 800 ? This will be the same as the D805 the lower fsb means a higher multiplier however there is no garrentee this cpu will reach anywhere near the 1066 if your unlucky it could fail early its pot luck. Id risk it in a oc board but I have a lot of machines go through my hands id move it on if it didnt oc well

The Jackal 26-01-2007 22:54

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34207313)
Im guessing the 4300 is the faulty cpu that wont run at 1066 but is forced to run at 800 ? This will be the same as the D805 the lower fsb means a higher multiplier however there is no garrentee this cpu will reach anywhere near the 1066 if your unlucky it could fail at 880 say giviong you only a 20 mhz rise which will not be enough its pot luck. Id risk it in a oc board but I have a lot of machines go through my hands id move it on if it didnt oc well

E4300 is a real Alendale and starts the real series check around on the forums. Has 2meg cache specifically made for it and not like the failed caches on the E6300 and E6400.

And again I have one running at 290 in this board = 2.6ghz and so have a few others.

Comparative overclocking tests between the E6300 and E4300 in DS3 / P5n-e setups have been made over the past week with the E4300 holding its ground but for me personally I'd go E6300 for high end clocking.

zing_deleted 26-01-2007 22:56

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
And if your leaving it stock where ya go then ;) id advise 6400 min for the none over clocker

The Jackal 26-01-2007 23:00

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34207326)
And if your leaving it stock where ya go then ;) id advise 6400 min for the none over clocker

Ahh you got me there I guess so but these chips overclock so wonderfully you'd be mad not to be tempted.

Take it easy bruv :

PS for the non overclocker I'd prolly say the 6600 :p

zing_deleted 26-01-2007 23:07

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Im easy matey easy like a sunday morning ;)

Uncle Peter 27-01-2007 10:49

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Thanks guys I think I'll get the E6400 but I might change me mind when I get there (and get the 6600).

Used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure.

TheBlueRaja 27-01-2007 12:45

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 34207545)
Thanks guys I think I'll get the E6400 but I might change me mind when I get there (and get the 6600).

Used to be indecisive but now I'm not so sure.

I'd go for the 6600, just for the extra 2 meg cache, apparently it overclocks like a dream too.

If you can stretch to it anyway.

Otherwise, just get the 6300, save yourself the money and clock the ass off it, it goes as far as the 6400 anyway in overclocking terms.

keithwalton 27-01-2007 13:07

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
you dont need super fast ram thats just a myth, most boards have the dividers to slow your ram speed down, but ddr800 (pc6400) is more than sufficent.

I'm using a e6700, its clocked to 3.7GHz (370 fsb) and my ram is matched 1:1 with that (anymore and its no faster can even be slower) at 740mhz.
because my ram is underclocked i can run it at lower latencies (they're cas 5 chips and im running cas 4) so get better performance that way.

Uncle Peter 27-01-2007 14:48

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja (Post 34207604)
I'd go for the 6600, just for the extra 2 meg cache, apparently it overclocks like a dream too.

If you can stretch to it anyway.

Otherwise, just get the 6300, save yourself the money and clock the ass off it, it goes as far as the 6400 anyway in overclocking terms.

I got the E6400 and decided to get some new memory and a HDD as well (I was still on IDE). Perhaps I should have got the 6600 but it was 60 quid more. I'm not short, just a tightwad ;) Mind you, anything would be an improvement over an XP2200 at this point.

The Jackal 27-01-2007 14:57

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 34207703)
I got the E6400 and decided to get some new memory and a HDD as well (I was still on IDE). Perhaps I should have got the 6600 but it was 60 quid more. I'm not short, just a tightwad ;) Mind you, anything would be an improvement over an XP2200 at this point.

Nice 1 you'll find your new machine around 3x faster than you're old one based on cpu benches. (no windows wont load 3 times faster btw)

In the real world if you can RAID0 a couple of SATA drives you'll really notice an additional big performance gain making your new machine very fluid.

The Jackal 27-01-2007 15:08

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Heres a bootchart of my E6400 @ stock

33 seconds to boot into kubuntu obviously windows will be slower (anyone know if theres something similar to bootchart for windows)

Also note boot time is enchanced for me a bit due to the use of the RAID0 which peaks at 78MB/s (single file transactions are around 100MB/s).

Uncle Peter 27-01-2007 15:23

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CrC-3rr0r (Post 34207718)
Heres a bootchart of my E6400 @ stock

33 seconds to boot into kubuntu obviously windows will be slower (anyone know if theres something similar to bootchart for windows)

Also note boot time is enchanced for me a bit due to the use of the RAID0 which peaks at 78MB/s (single file transactions are around 100MB/s).

Cheers! I shall look foward to the performance jump. I have toyed with the idea of raid0 but I'll probably hang fire until Vista is sorted gaming-wise. I'm used to XP taking an age to boot anyway as the DSP software for my audio card seems to be powered by hamster when it initialises :D

The Jackal 27-01-2007 15:27

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Huh noticed I posted one of these before when I first installed the machine :

Only 21seconds to boot here from the same machine :
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...2&d=1164738544

I guess I had better go away and tune my boot startup - maybe ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 34207730)
Cheers! I shall look foward to the performance jump. I have toyed with the idea of raid0 but I'll probably hang fire until Vista is sorted gaming-wise.

Good idea if you do go RAID0 then just make sure back up the machine regularly.

Uncle Peter 27-01-2007 20:40

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Well I'm in the middle of OS patching at the moment and everything went in generally well. My only criticisms are:

I used the stock cooler that came with the CPU and we had a bit of a falling out. The push down clips don't seem particularly well made (I did twist before pushing yes :) ) so in hindsight I should really have invested in a better quality one.

There is only one chassis fan header on the Asrock and I would have liked that to be at the back of the motherboard where I need to plug in the exhaust fan although I don't really need it atm with running stock.

zing_deleted 27-01-2007 21:16

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
you cant have it all ways lol :)

Uncle Peter 29-01-2007 19:51

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34207877)
you cant have it all ways lol :)

Well at least the motherboard is more reliable than one of the matched sticks of TwinX that I bought that's causing the thing to fall over left, right and centre :mad:

zing_deleted 29-01-2007 19:54

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
I stopped using corsair ram as ive had a load fall over

keithwalton 29-01-2007 22:42

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
It's a very budget board, you cant expect it to have everything you want! as they say you get what you pay for.

I never had any probs with my corsair xms as long as i fed them enough power. currently using ocz tho

zing_deleted 30-01-2007 03:07

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
im also ocz

The Jackal 30-01-2007 10:07

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Yup my new dual core water cooled monster is in the post along with a couple of sticks of OCZs and a few sticks of Patriot(cheap nasty the overclockers choice - use wisely though).

Uncle Peter 30-01-2007 20:22

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Suspect I've got a dodgy stick as the other one is working ok on it's own. Knowing my luck it'll work on another mobo when I take it back to get checked.

zing_deleted 30-01-2007 20:44

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Run memtest on the stick then take your machine in with the stick if it does not work with what you have then its not fit for purpose irrelevent of it working on another machine

Uncle Peter 30-01-2007 21:50

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34209854)
Run memtest on the stick then take your machine in with the stick if it does not work with what you have then its not fit for purpose irrelevent of it working on another machine

Cheers m8 but with the dodgy stick in the system doesn't even boot whether it be underclocked, auto mode reading from the spd info or with the timings and voltages set manually :)

zing_deleted 30-01-2007 22:08

Re: Get up and running with Dual Core for around £155inc
 
well thats prob good news its not likely to work right in another machine in that case


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