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Telewest announce 10Mb broadband speed
The second largest cableco in the UK today announced a 10Mb broadband service, but what is interesting about this announcement is that it will be rolled out from next month unlike NTL who will roll out by the end of Q4 2005.
NTL announced a 10Mb base speed earlier this week. The Press Release from Telewest follows: Quote:
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GREAT! I was waiting for this. That's a four-fold increase for me :D
Good move Telewest!!!! :tu: |
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Absolutely stunning. I find it very odd how Telewest can implement such improvements so quickly compared to ntl. There is clearly a much more dynamic management structure in place at Telewest. Yes ntl have a bigger network, but TW say they will be rolling out upgrades from next month, whilst, as I understand it ntl will still be planning their upgrades.
One wonders whether such postive practices will get absorbed into ntl or smothered if (when) the merger takes place. And best of all, no caps :) |
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And yet again TW takes the lead in bringing new things in
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Unlimited 10mbit for £35? Bargaintastic! :D
Looks like us NTLers will be last to see any kind of speed update... again. |
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I'm hugely cynical as to Telewest's ability to deliver 10Mbit unlimited services without extensive contention. Infact at the prices they are describing I'm struggling big stylie to see how this is going to work. We'll see :) |
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Telewest take the lead once again, increased transparency = better customer satisfaction... Now let the REAL broadband era begin! :D
p.s. I sure hope Telewest take over the broadband division when this NTelewest merger takes place. ;) |
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Anyone else noticed though how the gap in relative terms between upload and download speeds is getting wider?
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According to my network-brained friend tcp/ip packets of size less than 1KB will cause the downstream to slow down with the 10Mb:384Kbit ratio due to the ACKs that need to be sent upstream. :mad:
Though, I don't know what my average packet sizes are.. :dozey: From http://tinyurl.com/dsq3c average packet size seems to be about 620 bytes.. which means that we may not achieve full 10Mbit speeds.. And that's presuming that we do no uploading at all! :shocked: |
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When ntl announced the 10meg speed, why did no one post a single :rolleyes: about Telewest not having such a tier? :rolleyes: |
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If you've problems with that ratio blame Telewest's obsession with staying uncapped. They happily let people upload full pelt 24x7, their problem to be honest. |
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Every time ntl do something, TW have either already announced it/done it. [Edit]-Take the recent upgrades to 3 meg (ntl) & 4 meg (TW), ntl customers had major issues getting the upgrade (some CS staff didn't even know about it :erm: ), some waited ages, but TW had theirs finished ahead of schedule. ;) |
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Do we have turn this into a Telewest VS ntl thread - Crikey its pointless.... :rolleyes:
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Telewest kick ntl's bottom again! HOW I WISH I WAS IN A TELEWEST AREA!!!:(
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OB its because BY will get the roll out done alot faster and no doubt with alot less problems then NTL will. + the fact that NTL wants to roll this out "later in the year" for 3mb customers and even longer for those who want to go from 2mb to 10mb
NTL are slow acting at everything, thats right everything! Sorry i'm taking this off topic but OB i still see you trying to defend NTL after all this time! :D funny really |
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Ben - that's quite enough of that thanks.
Such great news has descended into chaos about who is better. Completely pointless seeing as ntl and Telewest aren't in direct competition anyway when all said and done!!! |
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Can you let me know the name of shop where you lot get your crystal balls from? :rolleyes:
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i'll make sure i let you know when i am rolled up to 4mbit :D:D:D
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I don't see anyone 'whinging' about NTL being crap and TW being great, but you have to admit that the TW press release does have far more information, including specific pricing information, upload speeds and details about capping.
Even the timescale, although it is vague, is of more interest than the timescale NTL announced. NTL's was "sometime before the end of this year for 3 mb users, and sometime before the end of 2006 for everyone else", which gives anywhere from a 4 month to a 16 month period. The Telewest timeframe is somewhere within the next 6 weeks - period. This, to me, covers all the points that everybody had raised in the NTL 10mb thread. Imagine if NTL had been able to give this level of detail when they made their announcement. We wouldn't have had anything to talk about, except how good it should be when it arrives. I understand that, logistically, it is easier for TW to roll out this upgrade, due to its smaller network/user base, etc... I presume that this difference of scale is also behind the lack of information given by NTL. Even I (and I'm far from a fan of NTL after all the hassle I had) am aware that if NTL had this information to hand, they would have announced it. In my opinion (and it is just an opinion), NTL were aware of Telewest making their announcement today, and had their hand forced. They had to make some form of announcement, even though they didn't at that time have all the details that people would invariably be asking about. One question that I have, however, is why there is such a large difference in the lead times between Telewest being able to roll this out fully, and NTL doing the same thing. I don't know the size/complexity of their respective networks (hence my question), but is NTL's infrastructure really that much bigger than TW's that it's going to take them potentially >12 months to catch up? Maybe someone with an understanding of both networks can answer that for me. |
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I would imagine a lot of work has been going on behind the scenes at Telewest. Perhaps NTL are not slower at rolling it out, but just earlier with their press release (which would explain the relative lack of info as well).
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PS. This isnt about an ntl vs. Telewest thing, i just hope Telewest's management take control of the internet section at the merged company. |
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Wow. Hats off to telewest once again (getting tired of taking my hat off all the time to telewest lol). And uncapped too! All you telewest haters can eat my 10mb dust....when it arrives!
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there is nothing better than broadband britain finally coming to some sort of fruition, and telewest seem to be showing that unlimited can be something that is implimented, well done to telewest for being quicker off the mark.
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It's a forum - yes. I thought admins were supposed to carry an unbiased view... your views, to me are biased. :dozey: I applaude both NTL and Telewest for what they are doing, whether merged or not. Who "got the info out first" or "who got it out better", isn't the subject here.... The fact that both companies are pushing the limits on broadband overwhelmingly (whatever their governing on limits in terms of caps or not), is nice to see don't you agree? ;) |
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Here's a few 'facts' for you.... TW's press release is far more informative than ntls. ntl has somewhere in the region of 1,500,000 BB customers, & says it will complete the upgrade 'by the end of 2006'. Telewest has approximately 1,000,000 BB customers, yet says it will complete the upgrades 'early next year'. With the recent 3 meg upgrade (4 meg in Telewests case), ntl took far longer than Telewest to get this done. Despite ntl saying that it was their idea & that TW copied them, customers were kept waiting for an indefinate period of time. if it was ntl's idea 1st, what took them so long? Telewest on the other hand finished their upgrades to 4 Mb ahead of schedule. There's no bias there as those are not opinions I've given you, they're facts. It simply can;t be solely because ntl have more customers than TW that it will take so much longer-they were only a couple of months behind TW in finishing the 3 Mb upgrades, yet for this round of upgrades it appears there will be a much larger gap when the amount of customers that need upgrading is pretty much what it was last time round for both companies. |
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I am with Bulldog but I still have my Telewest service. Its just that i dont use the telewest one as my main connection. Have to say though telewest is much more reliable than bulldog. Anyway cant wait till 10mb comes out. Wonder if bulldog might launch adsl2+ by then though.
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Funny, if Telewest are so great at upgrading and rolling out new services, why the hell is my street still on analog cable? We can't get cable broadband at all, or any digital channels through cable tv, and the area isn't scheduled to be upgraded until November! And this isn't out in the sticks somewhere, it's a major suburb of Liverpool.
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unlucky!
however the problem for me is the price. Now im not saying that £35 for unlimited 10 is expensive as it is not, it is a bloody amazing deal! I would love 10mb but I just cant afford it lol. At the mo i have the broadband complete service. 1mb is slow for me as i do download a lot, but if ppl have been downloadin more than me on a 4mb connection i should be the same! Also regarding ntl being ahead of telewest in the 20mb trials, telewest did state that they wanted to go further than 10mb, with 30mb trials commencing soon. Telewest just dont wanna increase speeds too quickly because: A) They wanna make sure they keep high level of quality and stability-remember the reason telewest is liked by its customers because of its reliability, so the last thing they would wanna do is to create an unstable service, especially as many customers dont give a damn about the speed, they just want uncapped reliability. B) They need to make sure there would be enough market for 30mb connections, if they introduced it and not enough ppl bought it it would be a waste of money...remember, products that are introduced too early are often not succesful. Well, anyway my fingers are tired now, but, i will be reeeaaallly happy with a 4mb connection!! |
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I hope ntl change their minds and move towards the same path as telewest. Unlimited 10mbit for £35 a month would be the best deal in the uk. Even if ntl cant beat telewest they should atleast try to match them.
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Even if in a lot of areas it'll be occasionally 10Mbit ;)
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4mb is pretty fast lol
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Hmmm I still don't trust TW as far as I could throw one of their members of staff.
They advertised 10mb broadband in 1997 when they were Cableinet, and thats us just getting it now. Big woop. And is it really going to be any good? Fair enough a 10mb download sounds great, but what crappy upload are they going to give us? I have a 4mb account and the upload is still only 384k. You might think the upload doesn't really matter but think about when you are playing online games, your comp uploads just as much as it downloads. TW connections have always sucked arse (pitty they are the only broadband supplier in my area). They advertise rapid speeds and their connections are terrible. Go try a 4mb connection in central europe and you'll see what they are supposed to be like. The connection rate on cable is totally shocking. TW really need to get their arse in gear and do some catching up. Internet-wise theiy are still pretty slow (especially on the upload), TV-wise they are leaps and bounds behind Sky. Still no PVR??? Cheer Me (One seriously disgruntled customer) |
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Oh no!!!! The News 24 multiscreen /cries
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So when are they gonna announce the roll out programme and the regions getting it first?
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i already have a post for that lol..
they will prob want to try out smaller areas first, in order not to fk up huge areas of customers if sumink goes wrong. They might even do the 512-2mb and the 1mb-4mb upgrades 1st, as they r easier for tw as it aint new. |
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On another note I find it funny all this talk of can BY sustain 10mb uncapped and that heavy users will destroy the service. Where I live I must be 1 of at least 20 "heavy users" that I'm aware of within roughly 3/4 streets and theres plenty of other "normal users". If the discussion in the local on a Friday night is anything to go by, everybody seems happy with there broadband, if not the CS. Just thought I'd offer my little old opinion! :dozey: |
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the reason behind the crappy upload speeds, is that they want to discourage the running of webservers.. and it was against the AUP when I first signed up way back when.
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too late at night to give a proper technical explanation for it, so if you want one.... www.google.co.uk :p: |
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to be honest with you, it is logical to have faster d/load speeds, as unless u want to run a webserver, or r some really illegal torrent/p2p user, generally u d/load more than u upload??
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It tooke me about 4 hours to upload the last 200 or so (at 2Mb each), for those concerned about being a considerate web user, I set it off and went to bed. Also because I could not do anything else as it was overloading the upstream. |
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Although unless they've crystal balls they can only guess on network load, a few places suffered and some are still suffering after the last set of upgrades. It's not unknown for Telwest to temporarily upgrade network areas that weren't suitable for the upgrades in question, resulting in alleviating congestion but also in cutting some people off completely until they had had engineer calls as their network areas were unable to handle the upgrades. Just something to think about. |
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One problem with higher speeds is that some of the heavy users may be satisfied with a couple of hundred gig per month and not care about the affect on other users in getting it at peak times. Get in from work at 6:00pm and start off a download queue which even if it goes through slow can easily catch up later when other users go offline because their connection is unusable.
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I was doing some transfers yesterday data backup between server's and it was going at approx 7mbit, the ack traffic was 45kB/sec. The traffic was SCP so the encryption may have added overhead but it looks like 384kbit may be pushing it.
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if you did want to start a webserver, or needed very high upload speed,
what would do? just interested. also how to companies who manage servers get a connection to the net? |
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Dedicated symmetrical lines
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u mean normal asdl except with a contention ration of 1:1 instead of 50:1 meaning the 1 user can get high speeds?
But, the dload speed would still be faster than upload. server companies i think use sdsl were the up is the same as down?? |
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server companies dont use sdsl. They often house their servers at data centres which are connected by ethernet or fibre to internet exchanges such as the one in london (London Internet Exchange or something like that). Thats how the server companies get fast speeds. You could even get a server there for a price.
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apparently if you ring tw you can get an eta of the upgrades in your region.
havent rung yet but will. If anyone finds out when they will get upgraded, post it here! I assume they will do all different upgrades upgrades in the same region at once? |
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i spoke to someone at Telewest customer services today and was told my BroadBand will be upgraded from 1meg to 4meg by the middle of next month staying at £25pm
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you pay £25 for 1meg :O ouch!
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yes it`s been £25 since i first had BB and it was 512, i`ll be paying £25 for 4 meg soon tho.
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so u just rang them up and they told u that?
i might do that. did u tell them yr region, or is it the same for everywhere? |
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yes i called and asked when we were getting the upgrade, just had to give my postcode and they told me it could be as early as next week, but by the middle of sept for my area
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"I don't want to alarm anyone, but my friend's dad said he had an email about the speed increases, claiming that they (blueyonder) would increase the speeds for a month or two and then put them back down again, asking customers to pay if they want to keep the faster speed.
I do realise that the blueyonder page has no mention of this and it could be just a rumour, but can anyone say for sure that this isn't true?" Found this on digitalspy blueyonder forums. Any truth? |
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I have followed every upgrade on BY for about the last 5-6 years and have never had them change an offer once available - except where it is quite clearly promoted as a limited/temporary offer. I think Trading Standards/Advertising Standards would have had a few things to say if they had done this - and the press would have had a field day ripping them apart!! |
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well there is no update to the evenfaster page yet, although i assume every1 nos that-they are all using the post on digitalspy as it is better at the moment!
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it must b ok, as bt r soon gonna have 8mb, and they will keep the standard upload speed of 256.
384 is ok, although i do agree when ppl say that because its cable, not dsl, and telewest can cope, maybe they should have upload speed of 512. The only reason they dont is cuz the vast majority of ppl, when they look to by bb they look at downspeed. Upstream speed does not usually come into the equation. |
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i want to no when will telewest start and upgrade to the north of england i want my 10 meg line and im getting ****ed off with waiting for it
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Sorry, the world doesn't work that way - they'll give it when they want to give it to you, not when you want.
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yer but if us peeps just left them alone nothing would get done at a slower rate
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10mb is only useful really if u have a network of say 3 computers....then u will b able to use connection to full extent. |
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1 mps sounds good to me better than im on now its just telewest release one date then thats cancelled then they release another its about time they stood by a decision
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In fact if I was you I'd cancel my subscription completely and move to another ISP who will give you the 10Meg speed at the same price of Telewest. Or you could contact Telewest and demand a refund on the cost of the subscription over what you were paying before until you get the 10Meg speed. :rolleyes: |
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So what you going to use it for since you in such a big rush?
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surely you are joking!?
i dont know, what will you do with your 10mb? use blueyonders news server and suck alt.bin usenet dry at 1.25 mB /sec :dunce: |
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I will do with my 10mbit what I do with my 2mbit, I just feel 10mbit is just something that sounds cool and is over hyped which is why I asked hes so excited about it.
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any news on when these upgrades will be commencing?
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Why cant people wait. All this crying is not going to make it happen quicker. Just stfu moaning sit down and wait for the free upgrade. If not there is always DSL where speeds are "UP TO" |
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i also will do with my 10 meg what i do with my 2 but a little bit quicker so i can do more faster
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