ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

From an article in todays Mail on Sunday finance section.

Cable giant NTL will announce tomorrow that it's 1.9 million broadband customers are to get a service of ten megabits a second, the UK's fastest consumer internet service.
Announced with the annual result's, the service will be rolled out to all NTL customers, starting with those signed up to its current fastest rate, three megabits a second - a measure of the amount of the information delivered through the cables. There will be no price rise, but customers will pay different rates depending on how much is downloaded, says Bill Goodland, NTL's internet director.
At the new speed, it will take eight seconds for a full CD of music from a service such as iTunes and only minuets for a whole feature film to download.

Sounds good to me :)

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Hmmm...a cautious welcome from me - I need to see the full details before saying it's a good thing - plus I would rather Goodland spent a little more time worrying about the current problems rather than creating new ones!

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Excellent news - a quick bit of googling would seem to authenticate it: Here

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Hmm, don't like the sound of 'different rates' - I wonder if we can stay on our existing speed and package ?

Would be cool if there is an unlimited top package though !
I think the Proxies will melt at 10mb !

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Well done ntl this really will be the dogs. Just a damn shame that I am no longer in a ntl area, I'm sure bop will tell me how good it is though. :cry:

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Hell, chance, a, not, in. Rearrange.

On 10Mbit you could download 100GB a day, 3TB in a 30 day month, and you can pretty much guarantee some complete w***er would do just that to load up his market stall / just because he can.

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Sounds VERY good to me.

The only thing that worries me is the bit that says you might get charged depending on how much you download.....

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What is better though? A 3mbit connection with a 30 gig per month limit or a 10mbit connection with a charge for usage over 30 gig per month?

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Give me.....300gb allowance and I'll kiss Goodlands feet, give me 30 and I'll jump on them. I remember reading something about speed increases to deaden the fall of the cap, I hope it not be a harsh one.

I thought that ntl:home had 1.4 million bb customers, or is that minus the ADSL isps?

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If the download charges are stupid.I will can tv phone the lot

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Tough choices :)

I would rather they go for packeges with differing Quotas per month. That way you could choose your tier rather than being told THIS is the limit.....

Failing that just give a nice High cap that only the Market sellers would hit. If they do give a pretty high cap of say 4-500GB per month then they must be farely strict on it.

No news yet on upload speeds but it goes without saying that these will heve to bu upped aswell. Hopefully to 1mbit or maybe higher?

Whatever the case is I don't think prices will be to high because with all the LLU going on 8MB speeds are becoming more and more available accross the U.K and NTL will need to keep within reach of them on price. It seems if this goes ahead they will have them beaten for speed.............

But there are still rumours of tests on 24Mbit through ADSL so I hope they do not take to long to roll out this 10Mbit or when they do they will be playing catch up again.....


Just how fast can this Cable go?? What is the limit of it? Could they match 24Mbit and beyond?

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You have three different services and logically should look at each in isolation when deciding the supplier to use. Why drop TV and phone because of an issue over broadband charges? If you have decided that NTL is the best supplier for you of TV and phone then dropping them would be like cutting your nose off to spite your face. You should wait and see what terms and conditions are in force before coming to a decision. If you are getting more than a 3mbit connection with at least a 30 gig per month usage allowance then you are getting a better deal than you are on at the moment, no matter what the charges are for usage above the allowance. Some people are never satisfied no matter what is given to them.

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Fair point but according to this http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=30588 it seems to be Peter Wilcock who is responsible for/worrying about Operational problems

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What the upload gonna be,we gamers want to know?
i would be happy with 4MB and 750k-1MB upload.:D

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Hope the 2m customers get an increase pro rata.

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Heh, yes I can see that, maybe unlimited is a pipedream, but lets hope reasonable limits prevail, something akin to UKOnlines (500 gig a month I think for their 8 meg service) or it won't be very cheap come the BBC's P2P service (I'm signed up to test it soon)


cheers

Ian

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Yes, 10Mbit with 30Gb cap. Bit of a non starter, isn't it? ;)

A high cap such as 500Gb would probably suit most users - after all who has the space to fill up a few hard drives every month?

Perhaps it's about time that iTunes et al ditched their horrible DRM infested low quality lossy downloads and started distributing high quality wave/aiff files? That'd be the day I start buying downloadable music. ;)

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well im on 2mb and have to say 10mbit with a 30gb cap is going to make me say bye to ntl. I cant see them leaving the cap at 30gb as they are increasing the speed 5 times. Logically the cap should be increased 5 times :) but as i cant see his happening i think it should at least be 100gb for the 2mb ppl.

A strange way to make a speed increase, everyone gets 10mbit but depending on how fair they are on the caps this could either make them loose a lot of business or gain a lot of business :( dont let us down ntl

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When I saw that speed increases were afoot I did wonder how long it'd be before people here at CF started whining about them ..... ;)

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how much truth is there in these rumours?


does anyone actually believe that everyone on 3 meg will be upgraded tomorrow for free

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I don't think we will be upgraded tomorrow (shame!) only that the announcement might be made (if the news story is true) - it will probably take months to implement.

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i agree there, but if you look at the ntl serivce staus page they have just upgraded the broadband network throughtout the entire country, so maybe it could be possible.

I know they do need to do something to keep ahead, LLU is becoming more and more popular with ISP and as such they are now able to offer much higher speeds, and given the fact that BT is going to launch its 8 meg services in the next coming months, i think NTL will use this time to pip BT to the post

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Outside of Eastern Asia, is there any ISP that offers 10mbit or higher to 2m customers?

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some in sweden i think

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Plenty that offer 10mbit:

http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se
http://www.cogeco.ca
http://www.optonline.net/
http://www.rcn.com
http://www.freenews.fr/idf.php?itemid=884
http://broadbandsales.optusnet.com.au/
http://www22.verizon.com/fiosforhome...ot/package.asp
http://www.chello.com/

Don't know about customer numbers though.

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Or "coming soon" as the old saying goes :LOL:

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The News of this Massive speed increase is welcomed by me :)

The only thing is i`m on 1mb, that means it`ll take me minutes to hit my 3gb Speed Cap :Yikes:

Looks like NTL have implemented the usage counters into their system to monitor what bandwidth is being used by which peson and so can now charge per mb/gb.

Hopefully there will be a good cap on 2mb and 3mb speeds, I can`t see them allowing 10mb but only 30 gig a month cap.

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:welcome: to CF Smellykipper

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If its going to be anyhting like they have it in australia you pay a monthly fee for a Cap, you go over the cap you get "shaped" down to 128k

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Cheers :beer:

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=27757

Yawn..... ;)

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the barstewards!!!! I just got them to give me 1mb for £9.99 a month and now they go and do this!

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Who said they "did this"?
This is just a rumour.

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Now you see why Retentions were so eager to hold on to customers, anyone for leaving now?
Hey and the chances are I will GET 10Mbt unlike hit and miss ADSL. :Yikes:
ntl IS Broadband Britain.
Just watercooling the modem as we speak!

Of course the members who are always ready to put ntl down are noticeable by their absence from this thread.. ;)

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give it time, I'm sure someone will find a reason to moan!

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Quote of the day! :D
Sums it up nicely I think.

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I wonder if upload speed will increase ?

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Take WAY more than watercooling *passes the liquid nitrogen and retreats to a safe distance....
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Kinda has to, couldn't get 10Mbit on 300k upstream :D

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:LOL:


Have my deck chair out.
Cold beer on the table next to it.

Now waiting for the first moan, winge, knock down .

Then its :sniper: :sniper:

:LOL: :angel:

:Sprint:

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Another link to this news

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/ar...1&in_page_id=2
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So is this offical or just random rumors?

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Did any NTL workers here have any idea about this??

If so WHY DID YOU KEEP IT FROM US!!!

Seems a pretty big jump in speeds though? Can it be acheived on the network that has to cope with so many customers?

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I'd say that you've already missed the first one on page 2... ;) :D

Plus, I'd would have thought it would be better to wait and see what is announced officially, before people moan.

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Well all we have is random rumors then?

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1) No comment.

2) Do you post confidential information about your employer on public message boards? No? There you go :)

3) Have you been reading the service status? Have a looksie at the weekly maintenance looooads of upgrading done locally, core network has loads of capacity spare.

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I am subject to the same NDA that all NTL employees are subject to :)

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Well the link that you provided doesn't really give out the full details. It just said that there is going to be an announcement tomorrow, so anything else, like the caps, is just supposition.

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Peterborough never seems to get a mention on that service status page. Do we still have plenty of bandwidth to go round?

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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :nutter:

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:LOL:

Just about sums it up :)

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September will be here before we know it, August 7th and counting ;)

As the "Bloke in the Pub" said, way back, the upgrade is intended to please everyone, LOL, a tall order.

"Bloke in the Pub" has just phoned, appears that this is just a stop gap, designed to increase revenue so that work can begin on updating the system to 100Mb/s Ethernet, as is already being rolled out in some areas of the US on trial. Of course, all this isn't being done for the primary benefit of the BB user, the aim is to have a massive VOD selection which ADSL cannot hope to come close to, TV is where the big money is going to come from in the future.

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What is the minimum upload speed needed to sustain a 10Mbit line??

Are they likely to give us anymore than they need to?

I understand you guys may not be able to say to much but perhaps just a small vague hint?? :angel: :D

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I bet you were the kind of child who climbed Mum and Dads wardrobe to find Christmas presents in November cos you just couldn't wait ;)

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Haven't a Scooby Doo, BT are doing 512k on resi 8Mbit and 768k on business version.

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not sure what you mean by that? are you hinting that upload speed of 300 is also being increased? or are you just a big tease!

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Woo, thats some list. What I meant though, could this mean that ntl would be the biggest ISP in big speeds in the wooooorld (minus asia ;)).

I can just imagine conversations in months time 'What you got, Cable or ADSL?', 'ADSL mate', 'Awww, unlucky' :D

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it looks like NTL are really turning the corner now - speed increases again and again.... constantly blowing ADSL/BT out of the water and also the £9.99 1mb offer - brilliant stuff. I have to take my hat off to them.

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Eeee, I remember the days when 512k was considered ntl's "top-tier" broadband :D

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and I remember having a ZX81. bring back the good old days!

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It all depends on what the connection is being used for.

The main questions being what type of user is the 10mbps aimed at and what applications is it being provided for? I doubt that it is aimed at the p2p market trader. My bet is that it is aimed at video streaming applications.

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Don't forget the Download movie rentals which are hopefully going to hit it off bigtime!!

I also heard somebody saying something about a P2P from BBC?? No idea what this is?

The point is though if you are downloading at 10Mbit you are gonna need alot more upstream to be able to communicate with wherever you are getting the data from? Am I right in thinking this?

Oh and one last thing.....

What is 10Mbit in KB/s?? 1,100KB/s??

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I wonder if this as a result of their investigations into ADSL over NTL copper?

From what I understood, ADSL gives NTL more chance of delivering high speeds as they can fit equipment very close to the customer and the technology is cheaper (and not subject to the same noise hassles that coax has).

I can't see the coax system managing to keep a stable connection for 10Mbps (it could never deliver a stable connection even at 1Mbps for me).


Anyway, "coming soon" I suspect will be the order of the day here ;)

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I remember the days when I had a 9600 baud modem (9.6kbps)

I remember once it took 45 mins to download a 1.5meg file. (I remember cuz I didn't half get some hassle over it from my parents). Nowadays, quite a few of my posts take longer than that, let alone anything else!

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I still haven't bothered upgrading to the 1MB free upgrade.I think I'd better inquire about it this week. :erm:

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That was me :)

I'm signed up to beta test the new BBC beta P2P style project later this year, they are going to start putting their library onto the net - available to all License payers, thats going to be quite some content !

Although its too early to know yet, I'd hope that the bandwidth provision is generous on the new 10mb service, as otherwise the free P2P service from the Beeb will work out quite costly for NTL customers !

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Why should NTL provide free bandwidth for you to download a rental video that they get no income from? They could however provide the same video with the only charge to you being for the bandwidth used to get it to you with all the profit going to NTL rather than a third party.

The amount of upstream required depends on the protocol being used. UDP and RTP would require less upstream bandwidth than TCP.

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That should be great if it all works out. Just think of the programmes you have access to ! !

Wildlife programmes on demand...
Past Top Gear eps.....
Blue Planet......
Red Dwarf.....

Hope we are allowed the bandwidth to be able to use it effectively.

Oh....Do they need anymore testers?? :angel:

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Running of this post then ( your STILL on the 300k? ) would it be possible to not pay any upgrade fee and remain on the 2mb while I assess wether I wish to pay more for this new speed?

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Heard of telewest trialling 10mb. Didn't even know ntl were already planning a launch. I suspect they will launch together. Wonder if it will be before or after a merger.

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Patience little one, nothing has been announced yet, wait and see whats to come ;)

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The maximum theoretical download speed possible at a downstream speed of 10Mbps (= 10,000Kbps = 10,000,000bps) is:
10000000 / 1024 * 1460 / 1518 * 1 / 8 = 1174 KB/sec, or just over 1 megabyte per second.

(See http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robin.d...html#kilobytes for explanation of maths)

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I shall wait and see, rather than speculate on something I know so little about.

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Incog wonders how many posts long this thread will finally be.Perhaps we should open a book on it? :)

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Chill out.
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Only 400? Or did you mean 400 cap threads ??? ;)

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Remember this is NTL, announcing doesn't neccessarily mean it's anywhere near ready to offer the service. Apparently cable TV to the Mars space station is coming soon.

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I suppose that this "announcement" will be a good trial for the new mods...see how they handle it ;) :D

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Sounds good to me, I still remeber being on dial up and my phone bill looking like a phone number :eek:

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So hope though that those on 2mb like I am get a decent offer to move upto the new speeds, and that the don't expect us to be paying some stupid extra on our bill.

I for one won't be paying :D will stick to my trusty 2mb until I can be bothered to upgrade. Bigger fish to fry right now with my new house, but by time NTL get around to giving us 10mb likely Japan will beon 30gb bandwith.

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I'm still holding on to 300k, but watching intently - while 1Mbit and a low quota for the same price is NOT an attractive option, I'd be happy to go with £10 + £1 a gig, at a much greater speed - that is, unless the faster speed opens up more things worth using, when NTL will be the happy one!

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Did someone say this was a stop gap till 100mb Ethernet? I hate to ask someone to spell this out for me but i might faint. There is a chance NTL could provide 100mb connections? Is this what 100mb ethernet is??? *feeling giddy*

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Who said they were going to give you a choice? I dunno about anybody else, but the speed upgrade of past was just a stepping stone in keeping up high with DSL competition, whereas this is proper restructure of the system.

If the shift everybody up to 10mb with varied allowances, then that will force those who are holding steady on the lower tiers who are deemed to be heavier users to move up or move out. I sure know people who aren't noobass users but don't want to pay extra either.

I couldn't really care about their plight though, I just want be able to be safe with ntl with a nice allowance as opposed to the unrational guidelines they have now or they could lose one of many customers.

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Hmm, sounds too good to be true. Well, we will find out eventually :)

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ive not read through the threas as yet but i found this:


http://www.telecommagazine.com/newsg....asp?Id=AR_866

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Good link but its not even a standard yet and as I understand, the current modems wouldn't be compliant with that. If they are announcing it now, then its safe to assume it will run on the current system.

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Good news, I would expect this will happen at the time they provide traffic usage graphs for customers and so the soft cap becpmes hard cap but I think the caps will be much higher then current for various reasons.

1 - The burst speed is been raised x5 on the mainstream package and leaving the cap limit unchanged would reflect an imbalance.
2 - Recently one of the major adsl players wannadoo gave free cap increases and is announcing llu upgrades to its network which will probably result in higher caps, this will make ntl (and BT) react with their cap levels.
3 - Other isp's who have caps on a similiar product such as ukonline set their cap levels at 500gig, ukonline recieved quite some publicity so people are aware of what the competition offers.
4 - I think NTL are planning more then just internet on the new infrastructure so it is capable of quite a lot more then previously so can handle higher limits.
5 - A soft cap can be low since noone is really affected by it, when it becomes a hard cap, whilst maximising revenue NTL wont want too many customers to be hitting the cap and making a big noise about those who do hit a low cap.

I expect we will start seeing this in about 6 months then?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4749987.stm

There's the story from BBC

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Well i think this bit helps:-

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75GB is more then enough for me. :tu:

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Woah hold the press stop the folds.

I pay £24.99 for 2mb per month, and I will get 10mb for no extra cost.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH YEAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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great there goes my low ping for online gaming

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Ehh won't faster internet with better upload increase performance?

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Why ?

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I suppose we will have to wait for the "Bloke in the Pub" to tell us the exact date of the speed increase, this could cost me a fortune in :beer:

How soon before the "I'm back" threads start showing?, methinks Bulldog etc. slipped up with the 1 month contract. oops:

Will ntl be able to cope with the stampede of new customers wanting connection yesterday?

Will ntl start laying more cable again?

So many unanswered questions, god it's so boring waiting for the speed increase...........

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ppl have a habit of filling what ever space gets thrown at them, unless ntl have some heavy duty backend to cope somethings gotta give.

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I wouldn't get too excited about this news - most web sites operate at 2mb so an increase to 10mb will only typically benefit people who want faster music and movie downloads (if the site can do it)?

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The new product strategy creates a set of †œup to 10Mb as standardââ‚à ƒâ€šÃ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ� cable broadband products with different bandwidth options to match usage plus a series of unlimited products at different speeds.

All bases covered, the little :monkey:
Looks like Simon Duffy will be staying, may even be made hereditary CEO by the shareholders. :clap: :clap:
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10Mbps. I am impressed. Any faster and my 10BaseT home network will need an upgrade to 100BaseT :o

If one used the full bandwidth 24/7 you would D/L about 2.6TBytes
If one used the full bandwidth 4/7 you would D/L about 450GBytes
If one used the full bandwidth 1/7 you would D/L about 110GBytes
(All figures very approximate)

I'm not sure what the actual Bandwidth would be for a good quality movie, but if one started watching TV over the internet, it seems that one could easily use more then 100GBytes per month. More for the advanced couch potatoes amongst us.

It will be interesting to see the new charging model.

Alan

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There has been constant upgrades to the core network and to the local equipment over the last couple of months and this will continue to happen, as and when it is needed.

Ntl have been planing for this upgrade, We do not just do it and worry after if it will work. :)
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Reason why I never call CS when things are on the blink occasionally, I know it's you guys busily polishing the mirrors and that everything will be even better afterwards. :tu: