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zing_deleted 08-08-2005 14:58
Ubuntu
 
Gonna give this a try as a venture into dangerous territory. Went to below link and they tell you to request as many as you want.I ordered 10 copies of x86 and 10 copies of AMD 64 and EMT64.They were delived this morning totally free of charge no postage no nothing
Even comes with a live cd to check it out

http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/

Raistlin 08-08-2005 15:01
Re: Ubuntu
 
Ho long ago did you order them zing?

punky 08-08-2005 15:02
Re: Ubuntu
 
I remember this came up before. People were ording free MS cds (with SP2 on, I think) by exploiting a flaw in the ordering system.. People were ordering hundreds, and literally having several postmen deliver the discs daily. They were doing this as a punishment to MS to cost them money.

Why on earth would you want to do that to a not-for-profit Linux organisation mate?

zing_deleted 08-08-2005 15:02
Re: Ubuntu
 
they took a while to get here couple of weeks id say maybe 3

Raistlin 08-08-2005 15:05
Re: Ubuntu
 
I don't think this is a flaw in the ordering system, I think they are genuinly offering the CDs (this page is linked directly from the home page).

Anyway, I'm only going to order a copy to try.

I don't have that many machines that I would need 20-30 ;)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
they took a while to get here couple of weeks id say maybe 3
Nice, just in time for my burfday :)

Aragorn 08-08-2005 15:37
Re: Ubuntu
 
Just ordered a few CD's - something to try out in a few weeks time. Much easier that downloading an ISO and burning it.

Punky - they default to 10 copies of the x86 version - cheaper to ship loads of CD's and get people to hand them out to friends!

Electrolyte01 08-08-2005 15:58
Re: Ubuntu
 
That's ironic zingle, I did the same thing about 2-3 weeks ago and they arrived :D

Gareth 08-08-2005 17:32
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrolyte
That's ironic zingle, I did the same thing about 2-3 weeks ago and they arrived :D
Why's it ironic? Next you'll be telling me that it's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife! :rolleyes:

Electrolyte01 08-08-2005 17:44
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
Why's it ironic? Next you'll be telling me that it's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife! :rolleyes:
It's ironic that he got 10 x86 versions and 10 64 versions - exactly the same as me.

Halcyon 08-08-2005 17:54
Re: Ubuntu
 
Looks pretty good for free.
Let us know how the install goes and if all works well.

zing_deleted 08-08-2005 17:56
Re: Ubuntu
 
Im a total novice so im gonna use spare parts ,,,oh poop scott has them :(:( not really I got a 3000 64bit chip and board lying around so ill have a bash later this week :)


I tried the live cd a while ago and although it worked it seemed dead laggy is this normal for a live cd????

punky 08-08-2005 18:03
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn
Punky - they default to 10 copies of the x86 version - cheaper to ship loads of CD's and get people to hand them out to friends!
Ahh, I see. Sorry Zingle :blush: :sulk:

ikthius 08-08-2005 18:26
Re: Ubuntu
 
why get 10?

and is ubuntu a good linux distro?

ik

zing_deleted 08-08-2005 18:29
Re: Ubuntu
 
well ive posted here and ill pass to friends I have no idea about linux full stop but as a system builder if I can use it then I can use 10 :)

Tristan 08-08-2005 20:18
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikthius
and is ubuntu a good linux distro?
Ubuntu is a very very good Linux distro, probably the best there is for newcomers.

The only downside is that installation is a little tricky, as it's text-based and not too user friendly. It's still no more difficult than installing Windows, though -- just nowhere near as good as Red Hat's system.

punky 08-08-2005 20:23
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan
Ubuntu is a very very good Linux distro, probably the best there is for newcomers.

The only downside is that installation is a little tricky, as it's text-based and not too user friendly. It's still no more difficult than installing Windows, though -- just nowhere near as good as Red Hat's system.
Text based? You can't run Gnome or KDE on it? Or just it isn't included by default?

nibbles 08-08-2005 20:30
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky
Text based? You can't run Gnome or KDE on it? Or just it isn't included by default?
gnome is the standard desktop, the actual install itself doesn't have as many pretty pictures requires a little bit of thought might be a problem for your mother or grandma

Gareth 08-08-2005 21:52
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Electrolyte
That's ironic zingle, I did the same thing about 2-3 weeks ago and they arrived :D
That's not ironic, that's a coincidence.

Don't mean to be pedantic, but I hate to see people say something's ironic when they clearly have no concept of what irony is. I'm not the only one that feels this way - here's Ed Byrne's take on it...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Byrne
No, thereÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s nothing ironic about being stuck in a traffic jam when youââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re late for something. Unless youââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢re a town planner. If you were a town planner and you were on your way to a seminar of town planners at which you were giving a talk on how you solved the problem of traffic congestion in your area, couldnÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t get to it because you were stuck in a traffic jam, thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢d be well ironic: †œIâà ¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€ŠÂ¢m sorry Iâ₠™m late, youââ‚ ¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ll never guess.ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â †œRain on your wedding dayââ‚ ¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢ ¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ã¢â‚¬à only if marrying a weatherman and he set the date. I could go on and I will. A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break, thatââ‚ ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s inconsiderate office management. A no-smoking sign in a cigarette factoryââ‚à ‚¬Ã¢â‚¬Âirony. Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s not a difficult concept Alanis. Itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s very rare you see a ironic no-smoking sign, although if you ever see one of those that say thank-you for not smoking and you are: fairly ironic.
this article offers a good explanation on what irony is about.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky
Text based? You can't run Gnome or KDE on it? Or just it isn't included by default?
Tristan was just referring to the installation, which is kinda reminiscent of a Win 3.11 installation. Once installed (which is really no tricker than any Windows installation) Ubuntu runs Gnome by default. A KDE version exists, and is called Kubuntu (http://www.kubuntu.org/)

ikthius 08-08-2005 23:44
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth

Don't mean to be pedantic, but I hate to see people say something's ironic when they clearly have no concept of what irony is.
It's like rain on your wedding day.
it's a free ride when you've already paid.
etc
etc

:D

ik

zing_deleted 09-08-2005 00:07
Re: Ubuntu
 
very good but neither of them are ironic IMO ;)

Irony to me is if i say wouldnt it be good if George w knocked on my door and the next second he did

Thats irony :)

or its when someone likes getting rid of creases in clothes they feel Irony :D

ikthius 09-08-2005 22:23
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
very good but neither of them are ironic IMO ;)

Irony to me is if i say wouldnt it be good if George w knocked on my door and the next second he did

Thats irony :)

or its when someone likes getting rid of creases in clothes they feel Irony :D
I disagree, you are only stating coincidence, nothing more.

I agree with this: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic

Quote:
In 1969 Susie moved from Ithaca to California where she met her husband-to-be, who, ironically, also came from upstate New York. Some Panelists noted that this particular usage might be acceptable if Susie had in fact moved to California in order to find a husband, in which case the story could be taken as exemplifying the folly of supposing that we can know what fate has in store for us

"it was ironical that the well-planned scheme failed so completely"
sorry for taking this topic :notopic:

ik

zing_deleted 09-08-2005 22:41
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikthius
I disagree, you are only stating coincidence, nothing more.

I agree with this: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic



sorry for taking this topic :notopic:

ik

Would it be ironic if i said I knew you were gonna say that??? :LOL:

ikthius 09-08-2005 23:42
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
Quote:
Originally Posted by ikthius
I disagree, you are only stating coincidence, nothing more.

I agree with this: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ironic



sorry for taking this topic :notopic:

ik



Would it be ironic if i said I knew you were gonna say that??? :LOL:
:dozey: ;) :erm: :D

ik

Gareth 09-08-2005 23:56
Re: Ubuntu
 
Anyway, dragging this thread back on topic by its feet (wish I'd kept my big mouth shut now :disturbd: )... er, when d'you think you'll get around to installing it Zing? I've been thinking about changing my Mandrake installation - not that there's anything wrong with Mandy, I just feel like trying something else. Was gonna go down the Gentoo route, but thought I'd give Ubunt a whirl cause I've heard so many people saying they like it.

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 00:08
Re: Ubuntu
 
I intend to build a machine out of some spares I have lying around and give it a bash this week,Never had any success before with linux but ive always tried to install it in virtual machine.With a bit of luck ill get better results on a dedicated machine :D

nibbles 10-08-2005 00:29
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
I intend to build a machine out of some spares I have lying around and give it a bash this week,Never had any success before with linux but ive always tried to install it in virtual machine.With a bit of luck ill get better results on a dedicated machine :D
linux has progressed a hell of alot in recent years unless u have an ati card most linux distros install just as easily if not easier than windows never tried it on a vm though!

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 00:34
Re: Ubuntu
 
dagnamit I am an ATI fanboy :confused:

Gareth 10-08-2005 00:38
Re: Ubuntu
 
Well, Mandy is being dumped right now, so gimme 30 mins and I'll let you knwo how it gets on with my Radeon 9800 Pro ;)

nibbles 10-08-2005 00:45
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
dagnamit I am an ATI fanboy :confused:
oh dear an ati eh..the proprietry drivers for linux are no where near as good, as easy to install or supported as well as nvidia's that being said they are movin along now but at a crawl compared to nvidia they'll probably get there sometime but at the moment just about work and they take a fair bit of kicking to get installed and don't support all the features

Gareth 10-08-2005 01:21
Re: Ubuntu
 
Well, it installed painlessly enough, and was quick. It's picked up my 9800 Pro but I think this is only the minimum config... works OK for everyday use, but I wouldn't fancy trying RtCW (which I'm gonna install later) with this.

Seems to have pre-installed everything that a newcomer would want (even Firefox :) ) but I did think that Mandy's installation was a bit easier and a lot prettier.

Right, off to try a few things out, and maybe have a go at getting ATI's own drivers up and running.

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 01:26
Re: Ubuntu
 
the driver thing may well be where I fall flat on my face but I think I may well knock up a system tomorrow I have a spare 64 bit 3000 chip and board so I may well bash at 64 bit :)

Gareth 10-08-2005 01:31
Re: Ubuntu
 
s'only the full-on 3d driver that seems to not be installed by default, so you'll get a system up an running within 30 mins.

Tristan 10-08-2005 02:02
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
the driver thing may well be where I fall flat on my face but I think I may well knock up a system tomorrow I have a spare 64 bit 3000 chip and board so I may well bash at 64 bit :)
If you're going to go for an x86_64 distro, you might want to look at something other than Ubuntu. While it's probably the best 32-bit distro out there, there isn't an official Debian version for AMD64 yet, and so there have been reports of people having problems.

You might like to try Fedora (from Red Hat) or Suse instead -- from what I've read, they're reckoned to be the two best 64-bit distros.

Gareth 10-08-2005 03:43
Re: Ubuntu
 
Blimey, finally got it to work with the 3d drivers... thanks to this post on the Ubuntu forum - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557

Word of warning... don't forget to backup the xorg,conf file before you start editing it! :rolleyes: It makes life a helluva lot easier if you screw it up (like I did the 1st time).

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan
If you're going to go for an x86_64 distro, you might want to look at something other than Ubuntu. While it's probably the best 32-bit distro out there, there isn't an official Debian version for AMD64 yet, and so there have been reports of people having problems.

You might like to try Fedora (from Red Hat) or Suse instead -- from what I've read, they're reckoned to be the two best 64-bit distros.
I've got no idea about 64-bit Linux, as I'm still on 32-bit, so I'd trust Tristan on this one :tu:

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 10:09
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tristan
If you're going to go for an x86_64 distro, you might want to look at something other than Ubuntu. While it's probably the best 32-bit distro out there, there isn't an official Debian version for AMD64 yet, and so there have been reports of people having problems.

You might like to try Fedora (from Red Hat) or Suse instead -- from what I've read, they're reckoned to be the two best 64-bit distros.
Ive gone with the 32 bit on your recommendation :) I think I may have made a balls up though,it wasnt connected to the net during install willit be a mare to configure???
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
Blimey, finally got it to work with the 3d drivers... thanks to this post on the Ubuntu forum - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557

Word of warning... don't forget to backup the xorg,conf file before you start editing it! :rolleyes: It makes life a helluva lot easier if you screw it up (like I did the 1st time).

I've got no idea about 64-bit Linux, as I'm still on 32-bit, so I'd trust Tristan on this one :tu:
Now Im starting to quiver I kinda hoped to avoid any recomiling well its installed now time to have a look :)
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Ok plugged modem direct to pc running Ubuntu no net
no idea how to set it up :confused: no idea even how to restart it :LOL: guess im a Linux muppet


Looks nice though had a little look around it could well do as a web browser / media machine if I can get the web that is

Ok created a keyboard short cut to shut down etc aint I good :)

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 11:29
Re: Ubuntu
 
Go me go me go me :D I am now using my ubuntu and configered my own net. Now I need help where do I find a virus scan :) :) gonna look at avast site

Do I need one? is there one here im missing am I muppet ??? :D

Gareth 10-08-2005 11:49
Re: Ubuntu
 
Fair play, Zing :)

I was gonna point you in the direction of http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#networking but looks like you don't need it.

As for AV, it's a lot less necessary than under Windows... I've got figures in a report somewhere here at work that show the number of viruses available for Windows compared to Linux. Will try and dig it up, cause it makes for interesting reading.

What you have to bear in mind is that using Linux, you don't generally use your root account for everyday tasks (unless you use Lindows or Linspire or whatever it's called now), so if you do get infected by a virus, it tends to be less effective by default.

Saying that, using an anti-virus is still a very good idea. I believe Ubuntu comes with clam anti-virus installed by default. Have a look for that in Synaptic to start with, and have a play with it if it's already installed. If not, either give that a go, or there are some alternatives you could try... I think Panda do a Linux version, I know for a fact that Sophos do too (although that might be more difficult to get hold of, as they don't sell direct to the consumer market).
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Also, maybe now would be a good time to suggest bookmarking the following site... http://www.tldp.org/docs.html

The Linux Documentation Project is not specific to a particular distribution, but has loads of general docs on various subjects, covering subjects for both newcomers and more experienced Linux users.

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 14:00
Re: Ubuntu
 
Nice one dude enjoying playing around ;) id rep ya but i need to spread some love :) look and feel is sound anyway not a convert yet mind :D

Tristan 10-08-2005 17:03
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zinglebarb
Go me go me go me :D I am now using my ubuntu and configered my own net. Now I need help where do I find a virus scan :) :) gonna look at avast site

Do I need one? is there one here im missing am I muppet ??? :D
Given that, to my knowledge at least, there has never been a single Linux virus "in the wild", I don't bother running an antivirus programme.

But if you want one for peace of mind, Clam is free and updated regularly.

zing_deleted 10-08-2005 17:05
Re: Ubuntu
 
Its issolated on its own machine so I may as well not bother running one then :) its gonna take a long time sussing it out,the interest bug needs to hit me,when it does ill be able to research and learn as I go.At least its a start ;)

zoombini 20-09-2005 00:38
Re: Ubuntu
 
I got my package of cd's for this today.

Running the 64 bit live cd, it looks OK & runs fast enough etc.
If I can incrwease the screen resolution abov 1024 then I might just be tempted to use it myself.

Problem is that I still need to be able to boot into windows for the kids etc.

I have a spare 2nd drive to use for it, how would I go about making it dual booting?

Cheers,
Zoombini.

Bifta 20-09-2005 00:50
Re: Ubuntu
 
I got all mine today too, still can't get a belkin wireless NIC running on the 32 or 64 bit version though.

Tristan 20-09-2005 01:10
Re: Ubuntu
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zoombini
I got my package of cd's for this today.

Running the 64 bit live cd, it looks OK & runs fast enough etc.
If I can incrwease the screen resolution abov 1024 then I might just be tempted to use it myself.

Problem is that I still need to be able to boot into windows for the kids etc.

I have a spare 2nd drive to use for it, how would I go about making it dual booting?

Cheers,
Zoombini.
Dual-booting is dead easy -- just let the installer do it for you. It will recognise you've got Windows on your PC and will install a boot menu so that you can select either Ubuntu or Windows when you start the PC.

As to the resolution thing, it's pretty easy to solve, but it requires editting a config file and so can't be done with a Live CD.
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Originally Posted by Bifta
I got all mine today too, still can't get a belkin wireless NIC running on the 32 or 64 bit version though.
Do you know what chipset the card uses? Is it a 'b' or 'g' card?


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