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no it is not allowed.

and i think i know which forum this has come from, and who the poster is....

it does detail in the t&cs at www.ntlhome.com/legals that this is not allowed but i'm on dial up atm so not going to bother trying to find it myself :p:

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The poster as iggy puts is a fanboy noob.

So could i tell someone about it

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No fair, you took that compleatly out of context from a thread entitled "How Much Shall I Sell Broadband To My Neighbor For?" on DS. I simply answered the origional posters question by describing my setup to him:dozey:

Im a Fanboy n00b eh?:erm: I will pretend I dident read that;)
-Chris

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But your not allowed to sell your net connection or send the signal to other houses.

As you state I give out my connection for £10 per person.

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Said person appears quite interested in this thread too... http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/member.php?u=5547

Not going to reply on here Mr ntlhellworld / SimpsonsFAN ?

Actually rephrase that. You're running hosting as well as all this other garbage on your connection - IMHO that's extracting the urine, various records based on this have been forwarded to the ntl AUP team, have a nice day.

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You sir are a legend. I will now change my title :D

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HoHoHo -Chris :D

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Exploiting 80 year old people eh? You sound like a jolly nice chap. Why stop at £10? Why not charge them £15, and cap their bandwidth at 5kbps downstream/ 1kbps upstream? I would love you to get done for this, but sadly I suspect you won't. Still, good luck Ignition :)

A tenner to NTL would get someone their own 1 meg wired connection. I know what I would rather have.

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Ha you should read some of his other posts on digitalspy.

I would love for him to go down to. wanna see if the noob fanboy could cope on a BT line

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I already have, read upwards. I think most people on the board are capible of clicking on my post and pressing "veiw public profile" dont you?;)There is nothing in the ntl T&Cs that says running webservers on ntl connections is unlegit, Its one of the main reasons I chose ntl as my ISP:)I have been a ntl customour for years now, I doubt they are going to threaten me now on your advice:rolleyes:Thanks, Will do. Shame about the weather though, I was planning on going out swimming but I wont bother now. So, How was your day?:D

-Chris

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Ok I think it is time to turn to the user policy:

For starters- section 20:

Section 16:

oh and depending on how many people you are ripping off, we have a bit more from section 20:

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There is a really fairly big section about running businesses on your connection though:

Along with sections about how you aren't supposed to have servers generating abnormal amounts of traffic, offering free Webmail and image hosting on your connection could certainly do this.

Also as you're completely aware you've no business sharing your connection with others, let alone reselling it, that's a big nono.

You don't get 3Mbit for less than £40 a month with various stuff in the T+Cs about how it's supposed to be suitable only for residential use, etc, so that you can resell the connectivity for web hosting and to other people in your street as your own paid for WISP.

Taking my ntl hat off for a little while I consider you no better than a common thief, you're ripping off the people in your street and you're ripping off ntl twice over, once with the dubious use of your connection to make money hosting, then again as these people could be paying ntl £9.99 and getting a proper 1Mbit service, not paying for your cable modem.

I've nothing more to say on this as previously said all the info I have has been forwarded to the relevant parties.

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Can i just say pwned

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simpsonsFAN, I am disappointed. While I am not really worried about you sharing your connection (although, as pointed out, it is againsts t&cs), ripping off pensioners is wrong.

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Lets not forget the bandwidth he is sucking away from other users on his cable.

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Trading Standards? I'm sure they would be interested in someone trading without a licence?
Spike

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One word, Busted.

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If i had a 80yr old living next door to me that wanted internet i would pay for it and my kids could show them how to use it,

to many pensioners are exploited :td: :td: :td:

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Above all, if they do not know what they are doing, and become compromised, YOU stand the chance of loosing your connection should the matter get reported to ntl's Internet Security Team.

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You mean the bandwith the pensioners on my street are sucking away from pensioners on the next street?;)

10pounds a month for 3mbit broadband + onsite support sounds good to me. Its not ripping them off, they are achally saving alot of money over there previous dial up and for them to be able to talk to there relatives abroad on webcam is a lifeline for some of them, who are pretty badly off.

You all seam to have got the wrong end of the stick, I was not n00b bragging about how great I am and what I was doing, I was answering a question on DS!. The fact that some chav created this thread on cableforum with some grudge against me and took it out of context dosent make it my fault.

The title of this thread "Is this allowed?" Was answered in the same thread by myself on DS,
the answer is: "No."
You dont really need to be a jenius to work that out. So I dont really see the point in this thread's original question was anyway:confused:. Why ask a question that has already been answered. [Admin Edit(Mick):-Offensive comments Removed].

I will repeat what I said on digitalspy:
"To be honest, most residential ISPs forbid sharing of internet connections with other properties in there T&Cs. But the reality is that they couldent care less."
-Chris

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So I take it you are about to state that you do not allow people to use your NTL BB service for a monthly cost? That you would never think of using a wire/ wireless router to share the connection at a fixed monthly cost to multiple people and that you in no way shape or form advocate theft of service.

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No. The point is that I dident say it as a "n00b cable fanboy" as the original poster keeps telling me. Someone asked (loosly):

guy on DS: "How much do you rent your broadband out to your neibours for? because I want to know how much to charge them?"

I reply: "10pounds /month"

I then get a whole load of abuse, people trying to report me and someone trying to get my home address from my domain name! I humbly ask "when will it end?".

Seriously, I am not doing any harm to anyone, but this persistant stalker is intent on not just "telling tales" as it were (I still defend that no one gives a toss about it), but also insulting me in broad forum daylight and on msn:disturbd:.
Little help here mods?:angel:

Anyway, I will leave you all to debate weither I am imorrially ripping off pensioners or just breaking ntl t&cs (perhaps you should start a poll).

-Chris
(I would then follow this with a whole load of abuse, but I carnt be bothered with it.)

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So if you aren't going to deny it I take it you are confirming that you are providing people with Internet access through your residential NTL service for a monthly fee?

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You mean the bandwith the pensioners on my street are sucking away from pensioners on the next street?;)

No I mean the bandwidth your personally sucking away from the up and downstream cable that you share with other legitimate users who pay for their own service.No doubt these are people who call NTL every evening because their connection goes down or slows to a halt.

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I confirmed it when I said I was doing it on DS! What are you talking about?

Have you even read the thread on DS?

If NTL cannot provide enough bandwith to other users of there service then they should never have advertised my ntl connections as "3mbit" in the first place if they cannot provide that to all there paying customours for that. Anyway thats irrelevent, I know I am not "affecting network performance" because I know that no one else on my street has NTL broadband.
-Chris

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Because your bragging about it I would expect NTL aup to make sure you are removed from the network.

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You see im not bragging about it! People are just asking me to confirm it and I keep confirming it, but no one seams to achally read my posts before replying.
-Chris

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That's funny, you stated and confirmed that you are providing NTL BB to some of your neighbours. If they want a BB connection then they should contact NTL or another provider, at least that way they will get the full service and not just what you decree they should have.

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I dont force them to take my broadband, living in a quite closed community and without much knoweledge of computers they trust me to make the right decisions for them. I know for a fact that some of them cannot afford 3mbit NTL broadband at 37.99 a month. That is 455pounds a year that on a pension they dont have!
-Chris

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So you have your own personal UBR card then? I very much doubt it.

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3 meg
But you use qos to lower it so its not 3 meg. ?

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The right decision would have been for you to tell them that they could have their own 1Mb connection for £9.99 per month with NTL which would include their own webspace and email addresses. I bet you don't even allow them to use even 1Mb of your service.

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Maybe they should try asking NTL about it's 1Mb then instead of trusting someone who is breeching the Ts and Cs of his service contract with NTL and who could get everyone involved into trouble with NTL for theft of service.
There is no excuse for exploiting pensionners for personal gain in my opinion and you are not providing them with a true 3Mb service if you are restricting them through the QOS settings on your router.

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i wonder if any of them are reading this :D

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Pimping of pensioners, now that is pretty low :(

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The QOS is only to prevent things like downloads destroying the connection for things like VoIP and web browsing, and although I do put them on the low piority on the router, I also have a cproxy web cache running and a windows server 2003 DNS nameserver running seperatly, as a resault total web browsing traffic never even touches on 5GB /month and non http traffic never goes over 20GB /month. So I always stay well within the 30GB monthly useage allowance set by NTL.

I did advise on other ISPs to start with but at the time there wernt any 9.99 for 1mb deals in place, so I just put a small amount of my connection aside. They are more than happy with there current setup and the way that when they break stuff (and they do break stuff) they know I am only next door to come help.

While this is all Very touching stuff im sure... I know im not the only person to do this, the thread on DS had at least 5 or 6 people who had just stated that they share there connection with there neibour(s) and shared the bills, it was me who bore the blunt of the assult because someone has a problem with me.

Since when is it cableforums job to judge how I use my connection or to interfear in matters that I would have never mentioned myself on here?
-Chris

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They might not be able to afford 38 quid a month, but then can afford 10 quid a month, I presume, as that is what you are milking them for. I don't suppose you'll have a chat with them and tell them what they can get for 10 quid would you?

And it is touching to know that despite paying for a 1/3rd of your service, you ensuring they don't even get that.

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This forum has always had a blunt response to people advocating theft of service to the best of my knowledge.

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But it would be wrong for a NTL person not to take notice of what could and i say could be seen as Fraud Depending on how you look at this.

I can tell you now that my policy is and always has been to report Fraud when i find it. I have to feed my family and i will not be able to do that if NTL went bust because of people ripping NTL off.

Waits for how can i sharing my connection make NTL go bust. Look at the big picture.

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I just hope you get d/c and then the old people your ripping off, can find out what a lying two bit theiveng **** you are.

They are getting less perfromance then a 100k connection and your rolling it in.

NTL should remove you and fine you in my book.!

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I can not believe he can do this to old people, he goes on about they can't afford stuff on a pension then he goes and rips them off!

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Its a shame, that these pensioners are being riped off, giving it to them free is the only way you could advocate what your doing. And your not sharing the bills with a neighbour, which again whilst against t&c's I dont see anything wrong with it.

You are making money from a vulnerable part of society which is disgusting.

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I beg your pardon? When you say 'cableforums job' that infers the team. Your right, it is not our job to interfere but when you publicly broadcast what you do with your connection, no matter on which website, you cannot expect not to be open to criticism. :dozey:

Also, I would appreciate it if you would not resort to name calling.

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Yes it has, cableforum is one of the few open forums that can achally sufficantly moderate there boards, But I assure you I am not stealing any service from ntl, only selling what they provide me with.

If I buy a apple in a shop with a sticker on it that says "do not resell", then I cut it up and sell the bits of the apple... Then tell me, Did I steal the apple?

I resent any comment saying I am comitting fraud or theft as it is simply not true, If I did have to personally defend myself against NTL (and I dont btw), I would ague that If they are not taking reasonable mesures to actively enforce there terms and conditions, then they are as good as worthless (not that I at all defend those who use hacked modems to steal service, etc, that is compleatly different).

I dont belive I did?:erm: If I did I apologize, must have been a heat of the moment thing..
-Chris

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You seem to of totally forgotten the moral side of this to the pensioners aswell. Forget the 'support' you give them, as you obviously couldn't give a toss and see it as the burden of the 'deal'.

Instead you decide to cash in on their lack of knowledge, when yourself who knows enough that they could get a better deal, better service etc. if you actually referred them to ntl and the 9.99 deal.

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Yeah, really different! :rolleyes:

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I suspect that NTL will investigate this & take appropriate action to discourage others from following your example. If you're lucky it'll just be disconnection. Maybe they'll prosecute. Sounds like there's lots of witnesses down your street :)

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ok simpsonsFAN u say ur not doing fraud so answer this for me then at £10 P/M how many of ur nabours in ur street are u SELLING ur BB connection to.

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They know enough to know that 3mbit is faster than 1mbit, and at the same price there is no decision here. On your logic, NTL are cashing in on there customours lack of knowledge, they personally know themselfs that there are better deals and better services to be had with other ISPs, but are still charging us! Its a outrage, Should they be expected to give there service away for free because of that? or becuase some people are pensioners? - I think not.

That isnt true at all, it dosent matter if they are pensioners or not, by me buying them a wireless>ethernet bridge I expect them to pay 10pounds a month for use of my connection.

Should I buy every person in my street wireless cards (pensioners or not) and let them use my broadband connection? Dont be stupid, I carnt afford to pay 40pounds to every stranger in every house in my street for the equipment, so I wouldent even have a 3mbit ntl connection if that were the case.

I am not being "creul" or "mean" even unfair, If someone offerd me 3mb broadband for 10pounds a month I would jump at it and tell other people to get it aswell, but they dont, So i havent.
-Chris

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If everyone sends an e-mail to the NTL AUP team, might make them take a bit more notice...

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:tu:

Done :) " link to this page sent to AUP " let them decided what to do about it

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how do they know?

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At&T showed a method that could be used for people on the outside of the router (the network end) to deduce how many computers are attached.. Will try a find a link to the paper they published, but IIRC it all hinged on how many types of traffic are being carried.

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I hope ntl throw the book at you TBH.

Whatever you say, you are contravening the Ts & Cs that you signed up to.

In fact, I hope they take legal action against you.

I know that may sound harsh, but people like you that should be punished for what you do IMO.

It's morally & legally wrong, & I think you deserve every bit of punishment that comes your way.

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An interesting point made on DS
Are you hosting from your NTL IP account too or is that just where you are running your website from? I can't seem to find any info on your website as to who you host with and I wouldn't want to wrongly accuse you of running a hosting service from a server that is sitting in your house connected to your residential service.

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The thing is, if you are using your connection yourself, then you are NOT offering 3 meg. I don't know how many neighbours you are offering a service to, but I suspect it's more than 3. So each would be getting less than 1 meg (assuming each uses an equal amount of bandwidth which probably isn't the case). So, if you have (say) 10 neighbours, each will get an average of 300K.

In my case, it's not that you are offering your connection to neighbours that disappoints me (as you say, that's not my business), but more that you are profiteering on pensioners, and offering them a deal that could be considerably worse than that offered by many ISPs.

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I run the webhosting of a 1and1 dedicated server, and the dedicated servers that I sell are run by a freind on his business ADSL connection. On my home servers I run free image hosting, free webmail, my burnouthosting domain and a home domain off my ntl connections.
-Chris

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Not for long on Ntl me thinks :)

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No but you could tell them at £10 they could have there own connection.

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When a PC makes a request for information the request has to tell the target where to send the response. Packet inspection can determine the address of the originating request. Monitoring data to and from a specific account can therefore determine how many different devices are connected to that account during the period of monitoring.

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Nope, don't mean to seem rude Ian but saying that demonstrates you've no idea how NAT works.

The device doing the NAT rewrites the headers containing source address, replacing them with its' own address, to do otherwise would be impossible (IE how is a device on the other side of the internet supposed to know how to get to your private network without a public IP address?) and remembers what to send where by holding a state table of what packets are sourced from where and their destination.

Also to check on source address doesn't require packet inspection just the normal headers inspection that is done by all layer 3 routing devices.

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On a properly firewalled & NAT'd installation, it is, to all intents and purposes, impossible to detect how many devices are behind it.

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Between all that, and WinMX, your clients' network connections must be flying.

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Especially as a maxed-out upload can kill the download speed..

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Quote:

Originally Posted by simpsonsFAN They know enough to know that 3mbit is faster than 1mbit,

Then they are wrong then as 3mbit is exactly the same speed as 1mbit which is the same speed as 300k. Its all the same connection with the same equipment.

I think you are trying to refer to bandwidth not speed, 2 different things.

Think of the network of pipes that brings water to your home and carries sewage away from it. Those pipes have different diameters -- the city's main water pipe may be 2 meters in diameter, whereas the kitchen faucet may be 2 centimeters. The width of the pipe measures the water-carrying capacity of the pipe. In this analogy the water is like information and the width of the pipe is like bandwidth. In fact, many networking experts will talk in terms of "putting in bigger pipes" meaning more bandwidth; that is, more information-carrying capacity

I have a fairly large network here running on a adsl 2mb connection. We have 3 laptops and 1 computer running from it. If i'm downloading on the computer it impacts the quality of service that the other users have. This is exponentially worse when I am uploading (as in your image and web hosting). I dont think you'll be giving out a service that at all justifies £10 per month. (and btw I do not condone what you are doing I hope the fine people at AUP discon you)

The reason you can have a 3mb connection for next to nothing when business's are paying through the roof for 2mbs leased lines and 128k ISDN is that as a residential user you are expected to be using the service less. Thats why they have a restriction in the amount of users you can connect to the service. You get the advantage of greater bandwidth allowing you to do what you do faster (remember it all travels the same speed) because you can get more data through the pipe at any one time.

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Thats my point exactly, I couldnt care less if ten of your neighbours and you joined together to share one broadband connection, to me thats fine, wouldn't worry me a bit, its up to you, but making profit from pensioners who unwitingly are doing something wrong is just unfair, unjust and its just as bad as aconfidence trickster.

I work in the IT business self employed like yourself, I could not dream of doing what you are, if I had an elderly next door neigbour who wanted to get online to talk to theire child in australia, I would have no quarms in spending £6 on a wirless network card and letting them share my connection, and I dont think NTL would care either, but profiting from a connection from pensioners is disgusting, and out of interest what did you charge them as a set up charge, as you seem to think it costs £40 for a network card (wirless or not).

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I hope that was aimed at Simpsonsfan..

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Yes no of course it was aimed at simpsonfan sorry for any confision was just agreeing with you :) honest :D

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No problem.. I figured it was aimed at him... I don't share my connection with anyone outside my house (in fact I have WPA enabled and the SSID broadcast turned off, so it would be difficult for anyone who doesn't know me to get onto my network).

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Im lazy and only use MAC Address filtering, If anyone whants the details to my bank accoun there welcome to them, there aint much they can get from that...

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End of the day he is sharing and charging for his connection

That alone warrants a disconnection. I wonder what his parents will say when they go to watch sky one to find no picture because there son is sharing his connection to OAP's

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Actually, my main concern was that we have a rather large car park at the end of our garden, and when I first got a wireless network, quite a few Mac addresses popped up in the router logs that I didn't recognise. I suspect someone parked up in the car park and started using my network.

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I must admit stuart, I am guilty of doing that, if im on the road all day, rather than using my mobile phone i'll just hook up to a wirless network and download my email from there.. not legal, but im only there for a few seconds.. and it saves my mobile phone bill..

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I can't access that link on the other forum board - even tho I'm a reg'd member. Is it restricted access?

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They probably deleted it as it refers to illegal activity.

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Now wouldn't that be strange since someone knows that the activities have been reported to NTL AUP at least twice. Unfortunately all the info is still on this thread too, maybe time to lock it so that nothing can be altered??

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Only the mods and admins can change stuff :)

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Hmm... and there would be no reason for them to remove it ;)

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Considering NTL's AUP and Abuse departments have been made aware of what's going on, with links to this thread, then I can see no valid reason to remove it ....

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erm... what's AUP?:dozey:

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Thanks... Monday morning; brain still sleeping; couldn't figure out the acronym :o:

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Am I right in thinking that the traceroute has identified cpc4-nmkt1-6-0-cust71.cmbg.cable.ntl.com as the individual machine serving up webpages for burnouthosting.co.uk, and that this information is enough to lead NTL's AUP team to Chris the Simpsons Fan's front door?

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Yes

It was me that made that post on DS

I also have a screenshot of the idiots posts on the othe forum
http://www.batista.co.uk/images/nthellworld.JPG

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In which case ... pwn3d! :D

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Maybe since he is so sure he is doing nothing wrong and that NTL will do nothing about his re-selling of their service, simpsonsFAN will post back with his full name, address and phone number along with a complete account of what he is doing to defraud both NTL and his "customers"? Then we can all bask in his greatness ;)

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"I give out my 3MB NTL Broadband connection to people at 10 pounds a month each, but I put them all on the lowest QoS bandwidth management setting my router has, so that way I can still use WinMX and surf digitalspy while my neighbours enjoy their supposed "broadband" internet. (All spelling corrections and emphasis mine)

Chris, you are one sick puppy. Regardless of whether or not you were merely responding to someone else's question, this is clearly bragging. You are laughing in the faces of all the pensioners you are conning by selling them your 'broadband' service. :rolleyes: :mad:

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I really hope that NTL get in touch with all the people he is ripping off as well!

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But of course he knows he has done wrong. He said on the other forum that he changed his whois info for his site to a fake name.

The guy will not post his details and i hope NTL pulls the plug. Then he needs to be banned from here

He is a fanboy noob loser

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If anyone needs to be banned it's you for making comments like that.

No more please.

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SIR YES SIR

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Hmm... think I'm with Angelus on this one. He's breaking his TOS... he deserves to be discon.

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That decision's down to NTL, and we're never going to find out what actions they take so there's really no point us worrying our little heads.

As for banning him from here, well that's down to the team but I can't see what forum rules he's broken? :erm:

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Neil was referring to personal insults. Can we stick to the topic please and not debate the modding. :)

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I think a major part of why Neil told Angelus off is the fact that Angelus has made more than one remark that can be seen as a personal attack on simpsonsFAN. SimpsonsFAN himself had a post edited to remove a personal attack on Angelus so both parties have now been reminded of the forum rule about not attacking other members of the forum. Also publicly calling for another member to be banned is not looked upon kindly as it is down to the team to decide that sort of thing.
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Beaten by ChrisT lol

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I was, yes. :)

^^ What he said.

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I will always debate Neil :P :D:D

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I tried to give a very simplistic explanation and in it used the word packet to include all data sent with the packet. You must admit that the target has to know how to get to the ultimate destination address in order to reply to it. The fact that the ultimate destination address within the stub domain is hidden by the address translation table in the router makes it difficult, but not impossible, to discover. Just how this is done has security implications that should not be discussed.

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Still having Monday morning brain-in-gear problems... even tho it's afternoon.

I misinterpreted the ban thing... I was reading it that he should be banned by his ISP, not being banned from the forum. Mebbe I should withdraw my comment and say nothing until I found second gear :confused: