24Mbps ADSL in the UK - Easynet say yes!
 

Easynet plans ADSL2+ services 12:10PM
Easynet plans to introduce ADSL2+ services up to 24Mbps later this year, following the completion of imminent trials.

The local loop unbundler currently offers up to 8Mbps lines to ISPs - notably UK Online which has an 8Mbps residential broadband product - pushing ADSL technology to its limits. However the LLU kit that has installed at BT exchanges is also equipped with ADSL2+, smoothing any upgrade path.

Easynet has kit in 240 exchanges serving around 4.4 million homes and 700,000 businesses. Its ADSL2+ trials will run concurrent with BT's; some BT employees are currently testing lines running up to 18Mbps, although there is no news yet of a public trial.

Consequently there is now the genuine possibility of DSL services above and beyond 10Mbps being widely available before the end of 2005 and of the UK setting the broadband pace in Europe.

:drool:
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me wonders if ntl will play catch up to this :erm: :D :D

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NTL are already trialling ADSL2+ in London apparently and are testing it to provide HDTV as well.

Yikes..!

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Sweet...

I wonder when we are going to have a postcode checker...

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If they mess up the introduction of adsl2 then they could put on hold possibly indeffinatly vdsl which in real terms is where we want to be

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The 24Mbps is as far as I was aware solely being tested for HDTV on demand puposes, not as an internet connection for residential customers.

It'd make the HFC / CMTS network redundant which is commercially stupid considering there are over 500 CMTSes along with their supporting structure out there, muchos moolah invested.

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Current infrastructure and the cost of providing it is of no significance. Technological advancement comes along by replacing out of date methods by new state of the art methods. What has to be considered is the cost of implementing new methods of supplying services, timescale involved, ease of changeover, commercial advantage gained and amortisation period.

What is best to own, $billion of out of date infrastructure that no one wants to use because they can get better services elsewhere at lower cost or $billion of state of the art infrastructure that provides a significantly better and cheaper service than any of its competitors? I'm not saying that current NTL infrastructure is out of date or that nobody wants it but I am sure you get the drift of what I am saying. There will come a time when NTL has to reassess how it provides its services and and write off a lot of the current infrastructure. Available finance is the key to when that will be.

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Me want!

NTL are playing catch-up, and will continue (at least with their on-net services).

24Mbps, 30GB monthly cap. Err. :D

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Hmmm, how often will you actually get close to 24Mbps .....

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That'd depend on whether hosting providers can keep up, otherwise it's damn futile! :disturbd:

24Mb DSL from new London ISP
 

Here we go......

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Sounds good to me does that, NTL are trailing in the shadows at the moment.

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"upto 24M" - i.e if you live on top of the exchange.

"agressive plans to unbundle" - anyone can have plans.

No price indications at all, but you can bet the top service will have a top price, and most of the time you won't get 24M anyway - the far end servers won't support it.

"NTL are trailing in the shadows at the moment" - to pie in the sky minority products like this, maybe - but few want it, even less will get it. I don't think ntl are going to worry about it. :)

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Shame ADSL2+ isn't approved for use in the UK yet, although it will be happening in the not too distant future, and that Easynet / UKOnline will be changing over to 2+ as soon as they can.

Will be interesting to see if they can really progress against the already established companies Easynet and Bulldog.

EDIT: That said their management team is very good, 3 directors with degrees from MIT, various staff from Swedish ISP BoStream.

http://www.bethere.co.uk/our_team.html

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Couldn't agree more.

Indeed NTL can offer 3Mb to any home on net. Telewest is now offering 4Mb to any home on net (I think).

BT Broadband will now run at 2 Meg. If phone lines won't support the new higher rates, then BT says it will "offer the best speed available for your line".

So not much of a guarantee there then. This new company will be using the same copper last mile or 7 which is where the limitation of ADSL lies.

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People in bits of London and Southampton amongst others may take exception to that.

You're aware that LLU operators can do something called sub-loop unbundling, placing their own equipment inside / near BT street cabinets to reduce the length of the copper loop to premises?

Fair play to this company for appearing to want to take the same approach that BoStream did in Sweden, hope it works for them and results in faster, better services for all.

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Fair points, any company has to start somewhere, I hope they are sufficiently capitalised to aggressivly roll out.
I was not aware of the sub loop unbundling, but then again my ADSL line is in line of sight to the exchange and not yet upgraded to 2Mb i would complain more about ADSL speed and service than NTL (though that is still 750k in my area also).

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I'll reserve judgement until I have more details (particularly *what* exchanges they are planning to unbundle, and what the prices will be), but the team behind it are made up of members of the team behind BoStream, so they have a proven track record..

Whatever, it will shake up the market, and that is nearly always a good thing..

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24mb !!! I'l believe it when I see it.
Its good that people are finally standing out from the 1mb or 2mb speeds occupying the market at them moment and trying something different. Not too sure I want to know how much that will cost !
So will this mean that ADSL is going to be taking over cable for speed in the future ?

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There are two main factors which affect the speed that an ISP offers. Those are the capability of the infrastructure and the need to compete. An ISP may have the capability to provide speeds such as 24 Mb and above but there is little point in offering it until competitive pressure forces them to do so. There is a lot to be said for hanging back and waiting for technology to improve and be cheaper instead of rushing to be first with higher speeds. The questions really are what speed do the majority of customers need at this moment in time and what applications need the faster speeds. You don't spend millions just to satisfy a few need for speed customers.

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Also parts of Leics that are on net cannot get broadband.

Here is my question tho, if easynet and other llu providers rollout adsl2 will it rollout across all their exchanges at the same time?

Likewise how will NTL rollout, looking at their past history they tend to upgrade one area at a time and their can be many years between the first area and the last area been upgraded. Will we see NTL HDTV going along 24mbit lines before Southampton, Leics etc. see digital rollout and 100% broadband coverage on net.

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Also parts of Leics that are on net cannot get broadband.
Well they may soon

A new range of communications platforms that allow broadband fibre performance to be obtained from conventional copper cabling is now available in the UK from Microtel.

The new Multi-Pair family of products, which offer a scalable family of standards compliant and affordable solutions, are based on a technology known as MetaLoop, developed by Actelis Networks of Fremont, California.


http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/mie/mie110.html


Hopefully when it arrives it will push prices down for everyone and Ntl will have to up the speeds to compete and stay in line with the market

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Well I have heard from a few on this forum and one person at NTL customer services that Leics is going through upgrades and it is expected digital tv will be rolled out along with broadband over the whole area, the problem is noone has any idea when.

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Not sure if it has been mentioned in here yet, but I have just seen this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/21/be_broadband/

Be Broadband 24meg for 25-30 quid a month. To good to be true maybe?

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Requires multiple copper pairs to be bonded, unlikely to be a big residential seller as not many of us can afford several sets of line rental. :(

Isn't really great shakes either, the ADSL2+ standard (which 24Mbit services are based on) allows multiple pair bonding as standard.

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Anyone in the know got any update on when we can expect to see ADSL2+ being rolled out? Last I heard was 'late 05/early 06', but was wondering whether there's been any updates on that.

I've been speaking to my French brother-in-law about ADSL2+ and how quickly it has been adopted in France. Looking into French ISPs, I was pretty miffed to see the vast majority of them offering up to 20 meg for only â‚ ¬15 (£10) p/month... and their incentives to potential customers make it only £6 for the first 3 months :cry:

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Well it seems it's here...

https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/homePilotTerms.do

24mbit down/ 1mbit up, no caps, £20 a month. Bloody Londoners :(

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The usage policy and T&C links don't appear to link to anything on their servers.

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Sounds a bit too good to be true TBH. And the fair use policy isn't online yet...

Doesn't mention about wether there is a contract period or not? Don't really need all the router stuff.

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https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/acceptableUse.do
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from https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/t...ditionshome.do

All seems pretty standard and reasonable stuff to me

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Hmmm, seems at odds with the use of the word "unlimited". I would think that most heavy users that are looking for a fast, unlimited service will have a usage that contravenes at least one of the conditions. Not unusual though, every ISP has some clause that they can use to restrict heavy users on their network.

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Every ISP since the dawn of time has had pretty much the same restrictions to the service

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Looks like UK Online are getting in on the action, 24mbit for under 30 quid. Sounds good to me!


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/01/llu_service/

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Considering they can't give Zingle an 8meg connection, I'm not certainly i'm going to trust them to give me a 24meg connection!

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If everyone took one bad experience to judge an ISP I don't think NTL would have any customers. I think I'd take my chances if it was available on my line. :)

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yes....


telewest and ntl will be playing catch up..
they are just upgrading to 10mb now, in the next few months it could be that ppl on bt broadband are paying £24.99 for 8mb/possibly 18/possibly 24
and we pay £35 for 10mb!!

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True... My connection is flawless, when I don't think anyone in Coventry on NTL ever had decent broadband a day in their lives... But word of mouth and perception is important. The fact its been dragging on many months now doesn't bode well.

Unfortunately, they aren't rated sufficiently to appear on adslguide, so I have no idea if its an exception or the rule :shrug:

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From what I heard of friend's ukonline's adsl is very good, performance and reliability wise, but the customer service is very poor with long waiting times. Now not everyone will get the max speed, ADSL is distance dependant and its the nature of the service.

As far as problems dragging on for months well NTL is king of that, it has the worst reputation as well, I would certianly call NTL more of a gamble then ukonline.

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Yes but asdl2+ is not as much distance baced.

8mb will be distance based, so not everyone will get 8mb, but when adsl2+ comes out (18mb, 24mb) It wont really be distance based, it will just depend on whether the exchange is equipped.

This will also prepare for vdsl.

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http://www.ispreview.co.uk/cgi-bin/n...yulVFZZaPYLjFF

Well 'Be' has hooked up their first customer and they've received 18.5mbit :Yikes:

I'm not at all jealous, no really. :rolleyes:

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yes, bt and therefore wholesale companies are releasing 8mb STANDARD in october, and then 18mb.


for £24.99 from telewest u will get 4meg unlimited, same price from bt=18mb capped...
hmmmm

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8Mbit isn't going to be the standard, speeds above 2Mbit will at least for the foreseeable future be available only to those who are already able to take a 2Mbit service on a BTW line.

18Mbit / ADSL2+ is awaiting any confirmation from BT as to when it'll be deployed.

Personally I'd rather have 4Mbit uncapped than 18Mbit with BT's farcical 1GB/month or 15GB/month caps, although agreed it may suit some.

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You and me both :Yes:

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Agree

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yes, but forgive me if im wrong, taking bt broadband as an example, the packages are:

£17.99-2mb , 1gb cap
£24.99-2mb, 15gb cap
£26.99-2mb, btyahoo 15gb cap
£29.99-2mb, btyahoo 30gb cap

I have read many articles stating that the packages will remain the same, except the speed will just be increased to 8mb. BT will continue to do this whenever faster speeds become availible. So in the autumn, they will have adslmax, and then later on 2006, they PROBABLY will have adsl2+ services in place.

However, i totally agree when you say that id rather have 4mb unlimited services. However, i do think the telewest elite 2mb is quite pricy at the moment, but it is going to increase to 10mb unlimited which at the moment is a great deal, until bulldog and ukonline and eventually BT unveil the faster speeds.

I am keen to know, however, why llu companies like ukonline can offer faster speeds than BT itself?
Thanks. I think we can safely can say that in a few months time the standard broadband speed accross UK wil increase from <2mb to >10mb!

If I am correct, by the time tw have completed the upgrade to 2mb,4mb and 10mb, it will be time for the next upgrade!!
I would also like to voice the opinion that it was a bad idea for tw to drop the £50 p/m package , as it would mean tw loosing the ppl who r prepared to pay that much! Maybe they could have offered something else to fill that package, ie a faster speed or greater upload speed?

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BT speeds are based on what they rollout on the wholestream level for ipstream, these speeds can also be used by all the other isp's selling wholestream services, pipes,plusnet, nildram etc. The difference been between them are probably most likely contention,peering arrangements and cap levels. Ukonline use llu which frees them of the ipstream restriction, BT have always been conservative on what they rollout. The 8mbit also is ADSL whilst 24mbit is ADSL2.

I also have been thinking recently a 8mbit+ with no cap is a bad thing, international traffic I can see taking a big performance hit like it does with sweden's BBB provider, they are an isp good speeds internally and to few countries in eu but to uk and america they are terrible.

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a useful tool for those thinking of 24meg ADSL - check your distance from your exchange as you may not be close enough for top speeds.

http://www.internode.on.net/images/c...2-distance.jpg

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It wouldn't have helped me, 1.93 km as crow from exchange, max speed available after upgrading the wires - 512kbs.
Looking at the chart you wouldn't get the full 24Mbs if you lived in the exchange and the way the graph drops away gives me vertigo :dozey:
Looks like sales of 24Meg Broadband T-Shirts are going to be poor sellers.

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Anyone else hear about Pipex launching 24 meg adsl too? Nobody can deny that Pipex, unlike certain other ISPs, is a major player, so I think this could be one to watch closely... more so than the other vendors I've seen making such announcements recently.

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BE launched their stuff today or yesterday www.bethere.co.uk

it says if i sign up before 18th of sep itll be a £20 service for life, should i risk joining BE?

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The most you stand to lose with Be is £60 (3 months cancellation notice), but you get a modem worth more than that anyway. I'd definately sign up if I could.

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The modem is rented, you don't own it, sorry dude :)

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Ahh thought you owned it, I'd still sign up :p

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wow 3 months offline and you guys are on 24MBit.... meanwhile i am on my niffty 56k haha havent had 4kbyte downloads for years makes you wanna throw pc against wall..... cyprus offer 1MBit for £40.. i think id be very gratefull for even 512kbit atm haha i wonder any speed tests been done on this 24MBit... havent time to wait 5 years for each page to load not sure if any have been shown on this thread? if i ever go back to uk my 8MBit with higher upload should be good last time it was 400k looks like its 700something now says the web site... 24Mbit upload seems bit slow for such high down though id be very happy if that upload was my down right now!!!:mad:

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Ok they have left me no choice but to create a bethere forums.

Please help and sign up so we can get to the bottom of this

I have had countless problems with BETHERE before and after my connection.

i think there so many people having problems with bethere, so i want us to come together to get BETTER SERVICE.

Please go to Link Removed (Neil). Please ask before you spam your website on our forums, thanks.

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Looks like it could be BT's fault, thats what BeThere are saying. .::Read::.

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Erm it actually states that they are having problems with the automated interface between their systems and BTs, they are not blaming BT for all their problems. I can't see the bit where they blame BT for everything that's going wrong at this moment in time :erm:
To me that says that BT have recently updated their end of the interface and now there are teething problems with the orders coming across from Be, it also says that Be caused part of the problem with their name change. If this was totally down to BT I would expect Be to place the blame fully at their doors as it would be a good way of gaining publicity while offloading the complaints from their customers.
This article gives a better picture of the problems (including the BT interface) and also gives an idea why BT have recently spent a lot of money creating a group to handle the LLU situation properly before the regulators lose patience with them ;)

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Sorry your right, I was half asleep when I posted that... which is no excuse! :o:

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Half asleep at that time of day?? Now that's a lay in and a half lol.
Let's face it, it's easy to blame BT as no doubt they were the major part of the problem in the past. They have had to invest heavily in their OpenReach program to deal with the LLU situation and have been left very aware of what will happen if the regulator has to step in again.

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More of a siesta, I'm getting on u know (couldnt find smiley with a beard or grey hair.) ;)

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Problem is, when ever something good comes out, its never avalible in my area, so i got to stick with the crappy NTL,

What do them exchange boxes look like? im gonna dig one up, n put it outside my house :) lol.

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I thought this thread over on Chetnet may be of some interest, in particular Peter M's comment on only 5% being able to get 18mbps on ADSL2+.

http://www.chetnet.co.uk/portal/foru...ead.php?t=6058

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Oooooh!

Looks like Be's coming to Peterborough!

They're the first of the LLUers round these parts, hope that means the other will be along soon. Pity I'm about 3km from the exchange, but I think that should be 8mbit+ and a nice fast upstream! All that for 24 quid? yes please! :D