AA introduces speed camera map
 

the AA has published its 2006 road atlas with speed cameras dotted around the country now available on the maps.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...377803,00.html

so does this really ensure drivers can speed freely or is the guide really an asset for drivers ?

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seeing as the official line is that speed cameras are to slow down motorists in accident blackspots, then if it improves road safety then it has to be a good thing.

But then, we all know the official excuse is that they're to make money out of the motorist yet again as they're an easy target and that Blair is a slimy git who talks more ******** than Joe Kinnear and Kenny Senior (in my opinion) who may as well **** ***....

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Don't speed and you don't get fined by the camera's?

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It will help, but it won't point out mobile speed traps & the white rats hiding behind bushes with radar guns. Nor will it point out undercover cars.

Still it will be nice to see where all the SPECS systems are as they are hard to spot, and hard to get round.

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Easier said than done... but then, I think we all know what they're REALLY for and it's not safety.

Plus the cameras are triggered at 4 mph plus a top-up of 3-5 mph above the limit meaning anything between 37 and 39 mph is fine in a 30 limit before you get "clocked"... depends on the tolerance/calibration of the speedo (which is a horrendously inaccurate instrument) and the camera (which needs to be calibrated regularly or the ticket's not worth the paper it's written on)... lame

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http://www.pocketgpsworld.com/uksafetycameras.php

Yeah............. sure.........

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funnily enough i had to set up a GPS system for someone and its the exact same link.

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I think its a good idea. It will make people aware of where the cameras are and they will know this is an area where it is important to keep a safe speed and be aware.
Drivers will know when to slow down.
I've seen some drivers smash on the breaks when they notice the camera at the last minute. This in itself can cause an accident as the other cars wonder what on earth is going on.

As long as the drivers dont try to use this new map whilst driving and reading it at the same time, I think it will help motorists overall.
Most cameras are in danger spots and it will let them know in advance that they should slow down in that area.

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10% is the allowed tolerance for speedo's - which is speed cams can be set for 34mph in a 30mph zone.


pondering why (on the subject of percents), the scientific mode of Windows calculator hasn't got a percent button....:dozey:

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I'm not so sure about that, I can remember the 10% being removed because modern speedo's are more accurate.

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NOOOOO not another speed thread, its simple enough, don't do the crime if ya can't do the time ;)

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We are just trying to drive down the cost of motoring ;) :angel:

:D

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I'm all for that, will be putting some POI's ( points of interest, camera's ) in my TomTom dir, when I get my GPS anttena on Saturday. :D

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cant see whats wrong with it :shrug:

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One thing is that you'll have to look at the map whilst driving so's you can avoid the :erm: safty camera's :rolleyes: thus knocking up the accident rate whilst reducing speeding :tu:

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No , you use your nav to read the map :erm: :D :D :D :D

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My Nav... my Nav, she slept on the back seat the whole 1000 miles of the Bops bi adventure trip to belgium, so you tell me, what chance of I got of keeping her awake, let alone reading a map :rolleyes: :p:

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:zzz: :zzz:


I don't see what the fuss is about. We're supposed to know where these cameras are, aren't we??

If you read this map and plan your route to avoid the cameras, are you not being sensible in avoiding well known and well marked accident blackspots thus reducing you chances of having an accident.

Surely it's in everyones best interests and in the interest of "safety" that the AA publish this map?

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by that token you are taking the traffic away from one spot and sending it to another, won't that just cause the same probs but in a different spot :shrug:

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not neccessarily

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I am Pauls nav, but I must admit I end up fighting with him. I think it is a good idea and when we get a car with GPS or get a Tom tom, I would certainly think about investing in AA'S maps.

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Most are blacks spots because of road layout rather than traffic volume....

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:tu: , damn right :D :D :D

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Oy cheeky just because you are illeterate dont start insulting me!

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IMO it's a good thing.

after all they are "safety camera's" and if displaying where safety camera's are & hence displaying where accident black spots are warns drivers to be careful & slow down in that area then the maps in turn help make the road there safer.

Any comments about moving trouble to elsewhere is just a load of bull, if bad driving is going to be elsewhere then it will already be there, showing where a camera is won't make the slightest difference.

If the AA were to show all accident black spots they would have to limit them as there will be too many to put on the map & they will have to determine a level of how bad it is too.
This is simply done by selecting fixed camera sites.

Maybe for the next issue they can also put other known black spots on, but they would have to find official information on them first & camera sites are already known & published.

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I take it that part was in response to my comment

If so, it was an attempt at being :rolleyes: to this comment

So if the traffic were to move, surely the volume of traffic would create more accidents :shrug:

I for one would not change my route just to avoid a camera, after all, we don't speed, do we :rolleyes: */ switches off sarcasim mode

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Switches on sarcasm mode..... Good for you.

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I prefer the idea of average speed cameras that they are using on the Orwell Bridge. They record average speed over a certain distance between point A and B rather than at any particular point. Stops the idiots accelerating then braking in between cameras :p: .

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Maybe instead of complaining about the AA printing camera locations or the actual fact that there are speed cameras in use all over the road networks, maybe it's time to ask the car manufaturers why they produce cars that can go at speeds in excess of 120Mph when the speed limits in most countries are significantly lower. Maybe it's time that manufacturers produced a car that has a top speed of around 80Mph but are cleaner and more fuel efficient :shrug:

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the speedo tolerance is +10% -0%

in other words, if your car is going at 30 but the speedo says 29, it will have to be adjusted. if it says 33 however, this is on the limit of being ok.

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Supply and demand.

We want cars that can break the speed limit.

Manufacturers already produce pokey little 0.8L cars that are very effiicient and only have a top speed of about 80-90mph.

Have you seen lots of them around??? No thought not.

I have a 2.0 saloon. I do in excess of 30,000 miles a year and I want a big comfortable car for the long motorway journeys. I also want the power to overtake large wagons.

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It is a by-product of producing more powerful or bigger engines. A 1l engine 4 cylinder as to work harder than a 2l 6 cyclinder. This impacts reliability. A bigger engine can pootle along at the same speed as a 1l engine at a much lower rpm. Motorbike engines rpm up into the 15ks because the engines are so small. You can't increase low end performance, or engine displacement without increasing the engine's top speed.

The solution to what you would be saying is to electronically cap the car's performance at 80 or 90, like BMW do at 155mph. This makes sense but for all intents and purposes is redundant. That category of speeding is relatively rare. What is more worrying for police and safety groups, are people doing 40mph in a 30mph zone, not 90mph in a 70mph motorway. This is where the most accidents and fatalities occur. Capping the speedo at 70 won't stop this.

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No offense but can you prove that now? linky to current regs etc
Because I'm sure that I have read that it has been changed but don't know where to look for that.

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I saw this if it helps
http://www.speed-trap.co.uk/Accused_...ge/The_Law.htm
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and this
http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...7638.pdf&e=747

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had a good nosey round but can't seem to find positive evidence of what the accuracy must be... :dozey:

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I agree with that, I hate speeders! :Yikes:



:angel:

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I agree - I hate speeders! Especially when you wake up and one's on the pillow :p:

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We're probably talking about different things...and I think I get points for being ontopic ;) ...tho am intrigued to know what you think a speeder is?

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Y'know - speeders! 8 legged things that eat insects and scare girls :D

God, I hate having to explain the gag ;) :p:

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If I'm on a road stuck behind a lorry which is going all over the place, in the vast majority of cases I'd be better off ahead and away from him. So I overtake him which means I'm temporarily exceeding the speed limit although the conditions are ideal and I can see the road is clear.

Then a speed camera snaps me.

Hardly fair, is it?

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if it's going all over the place, then overtaking sure ain't safe! :p:

assuming that most overtaking happens at national speed limit areas, lorries etc. should be doing 10mph under your speed limit... maybe what we need is a camera that can differentiate between a car and a hgv/lgv? (i.e. a police officer!)

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I annoys me is when your in say a 3 line mway and a HGV is in lane one... a smarmy git swooshes past in lane 2 as all three of us are going over the speed camera tracers!....so he gets away with zooming over the limit but being hidden by a HGV!


...just hope the camera doesn't think I'm the one with the sonic boom and flashes me! :mad:

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It could happen on a B road where we should all be going 30mph and there could be plenty of reasons why someone may need to accelerate briefly. As long as they are not doing it dangerously, the driving conditions are good and no-one is at any risk of any harm then I don't see why they should be penalised and the police feel exactly the same way, that's why if you're going about 75+ on a motorway on a clear dry day with nobody else about, in all likelihood they won't batter an eyelid.

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i know what you're saying, and i do agree with you... the emphasis should be on safe and considered driving.

i heard of an experiment where all but the bare minimum road signs/markings were removed to try to get drivers to actually think about what they're doing... does anyone know anything about this or been through it?
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found it... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...re/3663857.stm

and interesting discussion here

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This is fine if we assume that drivers are careful and considerate. Many drivers are complete arses who think they're the only ones on the road with absolutely no consideration for anyone else :disturbd: :disturbd: :disturbd: .

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Those slow buggers are a pain as well.

You know the one, the guy/woman in the aged metro or fiesta that insist on going 10 miles below the speed limit no matter where they are & what the conditions.
Where they cause a mile long tailback behind them of other cars that want to get past, making all the drivers get stressed & wound up & then they finally manage to get past after having to take enourmous risks because the bugger won't pull over a bit & insist on staying in the middle of the road.

I'm sure you know this person... :D

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I understand what you mean but....

I don't think anybody should be driving if they take enourmous risks because they can't control their emotions.......