Microsoft Antispyware / Norton IS --- PAHH !!!
 

I have just repaired a customers computer that had the latest norton internet security bundle including the latest virus updates and microsoft antispyware....

These cost a lot of money (apart from the MS antispyware)

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Scanned with ad-aware - 4856 objects found / after reboot in safe mode another 2546 found

Scanned with AVG - 342 virus's and trojans found + 78 in the system restore folder.....

Anyone who wants to waste there time telling me that Norton is not a total pile of steaming crap is welcome to try... A software package that hoggs 40+ mbs of ram and does nothing for you... How fantastic :rolleyes:

As for MS antispyware - Its not worth the binary it lives in !!!!

This computer was absulutely riddled with rubbish.. Its just a shame that the customer trusted the security of the computer to such a useless pile of junk as Norton...

And people actualy pay money for Norton :Yikes:

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You won't find me arguing with you on that one :tu:

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Aditional...

Another 321 worms found in the windows folder and 23 trojan dailers detected by spybot... correction 49 found by spybot :mad:

I'm gonna be here all night :(

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Had this a while back.

By the time I had cleared out the PC the OS was so corrupted that a fresh install was the only option.

Might be quicker/easier/safer in the long run.....
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That computer had only been used for about 6 months. The owner turned it off when he discovered it had a virus. I got the chance to have a go at cleaning it 18 months later :)

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Wish you lived next door Stuart. :tu:

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Although Stuart's probably glad he doesn't if your computer's anywhere near as bad as the one he's working on at the moment :D

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So WHAT IS THE recommened stuff to have.

I use Microsoft Antispyware, with Adaware se 1.06 PRO ( I PAID FOR IT! ) Spybot 1.4 with Sygate personal and avast! Home.

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You're probably fairly safe then, provided that you keep them updated and run them regularly :tu:

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Daily they are run apart from a virus scan, although i regulary clean out my firewall application permissions and redo them as they appear, gets rid of the odd things you permit such as .tmp files for installing programs.

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sukin frukin stupid crapy ***** useless norton :mad:

Your dead right... half the system files and system restore files are totaly gone... Looks like a re-install is on the cards :(

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be thee stressed?

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what gives you that idea ???

:mad: :mad: :rant: :help: :fit: :cry: :banghead:

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/breathes in deeply

Kerio personal firewall (trial expired today)
Ad Aware free version
Spybot
MS Anti Spyware
Spyware Guard
Spyware Blaster
Avast

and that's about it... oh and I use Firefox with Flash and Java disabled.

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Managed to complete the repair without a re-install. Of course notron would not unistall so had to manualy remove it and all the associated registry keys :spin: Scanned the computer with avg overnight and found another 58 virus's and worms + adaware found another 13 ojects this morning....

User consol to copy over damaged files and instaled spywareblaster, spyware guard and KPF afterwards. The computer took from 9:00 am this morning to about 10 minutes ago to defrag :(

System finished and returned to customer ..... Phew !!!

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I've used MS Antispyware since it's release, I don't use anything else alongside it, I installed Spybot 1.4 yesterday and it found a grand total of ... absolutely nothing.

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Must have been installed incorrectly - there is NO WAY norton is that bad.

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I'm currently using Norton Antivirus on this PC, but I am going to switch back to McAfee because the version of NA I have (2004) has issues installing under Service Pack 2. That combined with the fact it slows my PC down massively, and it's debatable how much protection it gives.

Also, my experience with Norton firewall (which I don't use) is that it can randomly lock your internet connection with no apparent (or logged anyway) reason.


Anyway, my worst experience of Norton, with the old Norton Utilities (which used to be brilliant - sigh) was with Norton Utils under 95. It totally f**k*d up my second hard drive. In fact, so badly, that my computer BIOS would not detect it anymore.

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Having read this thread, i too installed spybot (only had MS AntiSpyware) and got identical results to Bifta.... it didnt find ANYTHING......

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Perhaps :shrug: the spyware was installed prior to MS antispyware being installed ! Either way this program was running in the taskbar (little red target) when I scanned the system and found all those spyware apps.... Every thing from alexa (that windows update installs) right through to cool web search, Thousands of them !!!!

I still find it amusing that microsoft could produce a peice of security software when they cant even secure there own servers properly :p:

Each to his own but you wont see me installing it !!

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Sounds like something was allowed permission to run, no matter what protection you have installed, if someone allows permission to the wrong program you will have a lot of trouble cleaning the system up again.
I installed several protective tools (including adaware and spybot) on a mates system, unfortunately he said yes without checking a program listed on a pop up and the next thing you know there are 687 pieces of spyware, adware, trojans, tracker cookies etc on the PC :erm:

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used norton internet security for over 4 years and never had 1 problem

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Sorry for being a spelling-whore, but...

I believe the plural of "Virus" is "Virii" ;)

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I've used one form of Nortons since 2000 and I finally saw sense in March 2005.

Like I said in the other thread, every problem that I have had with my computer, can be traced to Norton :afire:

From having to reinstalling it a 100 times to reinstalling windows. :afire:

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Actually you're both wrong.
http://www.atpm.com/9.08/e-mail.shtml

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No it's not but it isn't "virus's" either as the apostrophe only denotes contraction or a genitive :p:

"Viruses" is the correct plural. Virii is only if you're trying to be latin :o

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nothin wrong with norton if you set it up right
keep off the p2p if you dont want spyware etc

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Trouble is that this computer did not have any P2P software installed.

Norton was running in the tray and had the latest updates !!!

I have used P2P software plenty of times with my Etrust antivirus, KPF, Spywareguard and spywareblaster and never had any problems. Etrust will even alarm if I look at a web page that has infected attachements ect..

Norton Internet Security is a total pile of steaming useless rubbish ! :td:



P.S. From now on I am going to call the programs " naughty bugs " to save having my spelling picked on :D

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Things like AV software, firewalls and spyware tools is that people base their views and opinions around their experiences with the software. I used Nortons for a while and it was a pain in the backside at times, I've also had to clean PCs where it has failed to control infections etc. Other people have no problems with it and it works perfectly out of the box but we all have to realise that no software is perfect and that a lot of infections etc are PEBCAK related, if the PC owner doesn't know how to use a tool then the tool is useless.

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True but the software is bulky and slow becouse of all the nice front end and detailed help file's....

Antivirus software should simply deny access to the file and not gave the user the choice. Etrust simply wont let you open an infected file period.

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Hi everyone,

Not visited this forum for a while. I see from this thread that there are very different opinions on Norton!

Whilst I disagree with most of what Stuartbe says (just my opinion that is) I do agree that is does hog resourses BIG time. However, i think that it has a lot to do with the following;

System: Type, speed of processor, RAM, other software installed and system set-up to name but a few, (like I said just my opinion).

Touch wood, I've been using Norton in some form or other since 2000 and NEVER had a single problem. If I sound like a very small minority then I'll except the fact that i've been lucky.

I also use MAS alongside AD-Aware SE personal and again, touch wood, have NEVER had a bug. I'm sure if I can set my system up this way others can as well.

If Norton was THAT bad they would have gone out of business by now!
coments peeps!!
piquet41 ;)

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I agree with what your saying, but ive turned away from using Norton, because of what you have mentioned above and also, i dont think it picks up all the viruses either.

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Fair one Wayne A,

Obviously I havent visited sites where people have been picking up these viruses, or I have just been plain lucky!

Shame my six lotto numbers dont bring me the same luck LOL.
piquet41 ;)

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The main point about both Anti-Spyware and Anti-Virus tools is that no one piece of software will be 100% effective.
Running two Anti-Spyware tools is realistic and recommended, I use M$-Anti-Spy as my resident active agent, but I regularly do a full scan with Ad-aware and Spybot.
Doing the same with Anti-Virus software is a bit more of a challenge, I don't know of any that will run active scanning side by side, I've not tried, but I doubt that it would work considering each one will try to get exclusive access to every active process.

You can however temporarily disable your active scanner and run as many different full system scans as you like. (not at the same time obviously)

On top of that, multiple Anti-Virus installs would be a huge hit on system performance, disregarding the extreme unlikeliness of them functioning happily together.

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I normally find that there is no better way to get an infected pc than letting your average teenager loose on it without supervision.

you know lots of file sharing with there 150 name long buddy list allowing everything the firewall pops up with just to see what it is and opening every e-mail need i go on

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Norton used to be the best, since around 2002 it became the worst, Warning to all who use norton and macafee, while these run updaters they change file ownerships of the entire system, if the update fails at some points it is possible and has happened that ownerships and permisions were not restored and the end user is lockedout of the system. My father in law is still recovering from an instance of this that happened several months ago.

I use spybot S & D, M$ antispy as its free. Avast and avg combined seem to be quite good together. No need to let AVG run daily.

M$ xp firewall is ok for application blocking, best bet is put a slave system between you and the net, ie linux using the likes of shorewall for protection and routing. With a home setup you can just configure a linux system to drop everything and add above the few permitted rules you need

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I cant uninstall norton from my computer. It just says that I am not logged in as an administrator but I am not :confused:

Stu i am at the shop can you give me a call when you get back

thanks

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You need to be logged in as administrator to uninstall a lot of software, what type of account are you logged in with at the moment? If it's a normal account you will need to use an admin account to get the software off the PC.

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sorry that was a typo - I am loged in as an administrator. I am sure stu will be able to help

whats happened to your avatar stu ?

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Judging by his custom text, I'd say he's either quit the forum or is taking a break, which is why his avatar has been disabled (I think thats a result of changing his user status to "guest", but I'm probably wrong)

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What software is it? Nortons AV?

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Its norton AV .. dont wory I am sure that stu can fix it. Will try and contact him tonight, He seems to have dissapeared !!

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well i aint a great techie but i have used norton for many many years and i have to say its absolutely FANTASTIC!

never had a problem it couldnt sort and i let my kids on the pc all the time!

i do know however that some downloader trojans/virus's after u get them can make it appear that your anti virus product is still working normally when in fact it isnt!

and you can end up with gazillions of infections as appears to have happened in this case! i would bet a million pounds that the pc in question was either used on p2p (and the evidence removed b4 u sorted it) or more likely was used on some strange foreign website featuring pictures of naked women.lol

particularly indian/asian websites are well know for slipping you a trojan whilst your distracted!!!

either way norton (when installed properly) is in my opinion the best product on the market!

yeah i know ur gonna slag me off for that but i am entitled to my opinion!!!:)

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