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:Yikes:

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Thank you for the warning.

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I do hope members are aware of the implications of giving out the MAC address of their NTL equipment to unknown people :erm: That and publishing your public IP address on the forum should always be discouraged unless you know for a fact you are giving it to a member of NTL staff or a member of the team.

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I get the idea from people in ntl this is a big problem that ntl ha been playing down.

I would of thought any requests by pm along these lines would be an individual acting on behalf of an organised group.

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I very much doubt there's any organisation involved, far easier ways of doing this than asking on a forum.

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well luckly for me i now not to give anything out he must of thought i be stupid in giveing him my mac i think not!!..

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AHHHhhhhh.....The old cloned modem off e bay trick!eh?
Spike

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I am completely safe.............. I don't know how to find my MAC address as I have never been to Scotland.

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I take it that member is no longer a member ?

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correct the member in question is Permanently Banned

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That'll teach the little rascal :)

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:clap::clap::clap:

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And reported to NTL I hope......

Don't want any clones do we??

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So someone's phishing for MAC addresses?

Were they from MACPhisheries? :D

oops: :Sprint:

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I would of thought the ones with "knowledge" would find it useful to have known official mac addresses for areas, or I guess the member asking may of been asking another member in his/her area.

Then again perhaps this cloning is a different method to the one I have been told about.

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if its ok by the mods i post the pm if im allowed to.

iain

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or MAC Donalds :p:

Seriously though, some people must be crazy for trying something like this on a forum like this. It's always destined to fail...

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It's even funnier when you think that all IP addresses are logged and you have to use a valid email address to join the forum ;)

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hadn't thought of the email lol, but aye... I know the IPs are logged

Should come in useful for NTL if it's an actual NTL IP address?

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Some people think that a pc is just a 'box' in the corner!They dont realise that there is more to it than that.Some people are sooooo STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Spike

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Mac addresses are unique to the equipment and not a particular area. They identify that piece of equipment, the manufacturer, model No, etc. When NTL receive a batch of new modems they each have their own unique mac address and could end up in any part of the country. I have had batches of equipment arrive with mac addresses all being quite different from one another, not sequential numbering.

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Ok - just so people know. What if this had actually happened. The said mac WAS given out I mean.

What would your best course of action be? Call NTL and tell them? Not worry about it unless something happened?

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I am well aware of that, I also know how easy it is with some ethernet processor IC's to simply change the MAC address to anything you want.
This requires a little knowledge and downloading the datasheet for the device fitted to the modem.

The reason why I mentioned areas, is I am guessing the best area to install a modem with a spoofed MAC address would be off the same ubr as the genuine one. I would of thought it would make identification of the real modem from the illegal one difficult, as it wouldn't stand out like a sore thumb.

Thats why I think information on as many MAC addresses with areas as they can get would be useful.

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ok guys this is the message i got from that user.

"hi

i am installing broadband myself and i need the mac address from the bottom of your modem in order to set up my broadband according to my friend who says that because you live in herts and so do i

please help
awaiting your reply
******"

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Blikin cheek if you ask me! What could you do with it if do not mind me asking?? As it is a bit of a grey area for me!!

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They use it to get free broadband - on someone elses account.

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the cheeky blighters! I will keep my eye open!

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but how would they be able to change the mac tho cos if u go on to 192.168 100.1 there is no option to change it

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because their clever and there will be a way around it!

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I'm sure there are plenty of ways to do it - but probably best not to mention it on here ;)

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There are ways to do it.


But they will not be discussed here, by the way :)

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I didn't get the pm so I guess I am lucky. I am glad to see that it was acted on right away and the member was banned :tu:

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Didn't the MAC address used to be stored in your profile, many moons ago?

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IIRC that was on .com and only visible the team and the CLT...

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If there using a cloned modem there is a chance they will reclone this and try again,Also chances are the ip address stored will be from a cloned modem so the suspect will not be tracable this was.
Would ntl know if 2 modems with the same mac were trying to access the net at the same time? would ntl block both?

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Thanks for the warning.
Those people are plain and simple thieves. :mad:
Its good they have been banned.

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can't say too much about how it is all done... but yes ntl can detect and trace cloned modems and take appropriate action :)

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We can even detect 'chipped' Analog' & Digital STB's.I could tell you how........BUT then i'd have to kill you!!!!
Spike

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if ntl can detect the chipped box's do ntl do anything about it i know 2 ppl who have chipped box's i know 1 of them has had it for years.

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You carnt detect all the people who have cut the return path in their box!;) Nor can you detect all the cloned smartcards and people using those rubbishy "free PPV £30 credit" return path filters on ebay.

Hopefully the new VOD software will put a stop to it, but knowing ntl its doubtfull.
-Chris

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Actually,we can.but it's manpower heavy.One of the ways is noise put on the network by the chipped box,we fit a noise blocker at the tap.Also,we can also tell if a box is non responsive (no return path) and what channel someone is watching. After all,i've only been with ntl for 7 years.
Spike

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:rolleyes:

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big brother is watching u or in our cas ntl and sky. wen i had sky+ fitted i got talking to the tech and he said sky knows every single channel a person has watched and at wot time hows scary is that.

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Not very as it's complete rubbish.

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:D :D , i wonder how much hdd space it would take to store all that info , and as you do not need to have your phoneline connected after a year , how would they collect the info ;) :D :D :D

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Lots, and magic.

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Depends.. It would take a few bytes of storage per channel change per user. However, there would be billions (if not tens of billions) of changes per year (think of how many times you change channel each day, then multiply that by 365 and the number of subscribers sky have).

The most sky would be able to do is monitor which box is set to what channel (as the box has no way of detecting who is watching it). They would possibly require hundreds of gigabytes to store all this info, but with 250 gigs drive available for around £100 nowdays, the storage is feasable.

They would have no way of collecting the info if the box is not connected to the phone though. NTL is a different matter. They could collect the info.

It's doubtful it would be worth the effort and cost though. Put bluntly, apart from getting rough ideas of viewing figures for advertising purposes, I don't see that any TV company would have any interest in what we watch.

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On the subject of data collection, if ntl collect data on people's shopping habits online, whats to say they are would/not on the tv service.

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Always to the point!! hehe, wrist aint that bad!
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Sorry, but ya wrong! You cannot detect chipped boxes...period
If they are putting noise back on the network, its a faulty digi box and not the fact they have been chipped. I think you are reffering to the "cube" thats use was widespread on GI boxes, that put a spike at 20megs on to the network.
Now the digi boxes can reset themselves, so even the "hits" to disable them don't work!
It would help if NTL, firstly, tightened up the stores process, and secondly, picked up dico'ed boxes :dunce:

I should know, after all,i've only been with ntl for 12 years. :Yikes:

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I agree the best way NTL could stop this is to pick up boxes....if people can't get hold of boxes then they can't chip them

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OK so what do we know.

1) there was someone asking for MAC addresses here, they have been banned and we have been warned about it, so that's the end of that.

2) Using a MAC address can enable someone to clone your modem & get free broadband from NTL.

3) The rest seems to be developing into a you can't/you can discussion.

He says you can't, he says you can.
I know how to do it & without detection as the information is available, don't mean I am doing though nor would I tell anyone (they can find out for themselves) but do we really need to keep discussing it all.

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Well said that man ..... Thread Closed.