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I can understand there point but what if someone legally wishes to buy porn, but does not wish to in person.

I can see Kazaalite and Bittorrent getting busy then.

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i think overall the amount of stupidity that resides in the judicial process has reared its ugly head, obviously these judges have not heard of the internet, and ofcourse online shopping to aquire the taste of content.

i think its blatantly a load of nonsense its not going to stop black market imports and its certainly not going to stop consumers purchasing from abroad.

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Could someone let me know when this law comes in so that I can get a large order of porn in beforehand :D

Nanny state, anyone :shrug:

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blame your kids (if you have any) or someone elses :D

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i was thinking the same thing

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I'd love to know how they propose to stop it :rolleyes:

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Send nice babes to your house instead to do the work instead of the movies.

:shrug: :rofl: :angel:

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Who the hell buys it anyway? :D

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Exactly.....

They are not going to stop it in the slightest.

The stupidity of these people amazes me.

Now I'm off to watch some more free hardcore R18 porn from sites not in the UK.

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I was reading an article the other day that claimed that young teenagers were engaging in unprotected group sex. How would them viewing an R18 video by bad, other than to possibily educate them in the use of condoms?

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According to a recent documentary on a female porn movie director/producer NOT using condoms is written into the participants contract.:dozey:

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I don't use condoms. I have to use a dustbin bag:D

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Why? Are you that repulsive to the opposite sex? ;)

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heh, that reminds me of a 'Married with Children...' joke

'She could put a recycled paper bag over her head, and save the world in 2 ways....' :)

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No I just carry a Massive Lightsabre on me at all times :D

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Well, something's got to compensate for your incredibly small pe... :erm: ... no ;)

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penguin?

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I was thinking 'pendulum', I've got to be honest :angel:

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I suppose they will have to stop major supermarkets and other online outlets selling alcohol and cigarettes online too then? :dozey:

But will they?

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slightly off note but does anyone realy think that theese men hammer away all day long and that there tackle is not tucked away and a very clever placed lump of rubber is used in its place ?

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You know, I can honestly say that I have never ever thought of that :disturbd:

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I have certainly never heard Ron Jeremy called that, but have to admit, apart from the 'clever', it sounds entirely believable ;)

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I know that on some they are not actually in the act but merely pretending..

What, girls moaning & pretending to enjoy it?
never! :D :D

men & motors after 10pm is more likely to harm those too young to watch porn...

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Are you implying he swings both ways??????? :)

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lets ban MEN and MOTORS

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Excellent point. I think the moral majority would win though, and probably the moral majority want cheap fags and booze.

Interesting thing, our attittude to porno. You can be 16 to have sex, but to watch it, you have to be 18. So for 2 years you have to have sex with your eyes closed. No doubt the omnipresent government would be on hand to supervise and making sure the youth aren't being corruptted by seeing each other's genitals aged 17.

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Films like that are few and far between, even in the more dodgy types of porn they use condoms..... or so ive been told :erm: :shocked: :disturbd: :D

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Hey, some of us are still doing that now :)

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But that's only in case you see yourself in the mirror :)

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No, it just helps me think of you, if I don't have any distractions :D

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Anything to help :D

Does Mrs_love_monkey know about this, or am I alriight next time I'm down London way ;)

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You'll never be alright :)

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Only in the head - the rest of me's fine ;)

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we could put it to a vote?? :)

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I vote yes ... :erm: ... no ... :erm: ... what was the question :disturbd:

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Something about bacon I think

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Well what an appropriate subject for my first reply...! :D

Speaking as someone who's connected with this industry, this decision is a total nonsense.

Yes, it may stop kiddes buying hardcore DVDs through the post, but given the amount of stuff that's already available for free, it's really going to have damn all effect in "protecting" (hah!) them.

As for the fines, they're a joke, given the size of organisations like Pabo and Interfact, they're not even a slap on the wrist, but more of just a wagged finger.

There is a magazine called ETO (Erotic Trade Only) which, unsurprisingly, is a trade magazine for the adult industries and this has been discussed a fair bit in there recently and the companies involved have already stated that if they lost they would take it to the House of Lords and the European Court.

But in all honesty it doesn't matter a damn because the decision is only going to stop companies in this country from adverting R18 DVDs on websites *based in the UK*, it can't do anything about those abroad.

Yes, ok, it could still be argued that they are "sending obscene material through the post" but unless HM C&E start opening loads of mail, they're not going to have any effect.

Paging King Canute...! *


* Yes, I *know* he didn't actually say he *could* turn back the tide and he was just demonstrating to sycophantic courtiers that he wasn't as powerful as God, but you know what I mean...! :)
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This has changed now since Darren James and Lara Roxx were tested as HIV+ and now most performers are using condoms.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story...194314,00.html

But porn movies are not for the purpose of sex education any more than James Bond teaches how to get into the Intelligence Services!

What we should be doing is giving kids *proper* sex education *before* they need it, but that's another topic.

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But people do use porn as an ideas source for having a bit of fun, anyone using Bond films for similar purposes is looking at a conviction for dangerous driving at the least!

Welcome back, by the way. Looking forward to regilding your reputation.

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The thing to remember is that it's *not* there to teach and there's often a lot "behind the scenes" that you don't see.

eg those Japanese shibari (rope bondage) pics look great with the girl suspended in mid-air, but what you don't see is the three or four assistants ready to step in and take the weight off her as soon as the picture has been taken. Try it yourself without being very careful and someone could easily get hurt.

Fantasy is great, but reality bites back.

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LMAO!!!

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What about ASCII porn? ;)

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go on then :p:

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(.)(.)

^^^ If any mods ask, that's a pair of eyes ;)

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The High Court ruling is simply a dismissal of a couple of appeals against an earlier decision taken against some suppliers...

AFAIK, the law has always been that R18 videos/DVDs can only be sold in person in a licensed sex shop.

So does this ruling really change anything? Hmm, OK, apart from clarify judicial opinion on the existing law? [in any case, hopefully it will go to the Lords & they will overturn the High Court, seeing as the law is quite stupid]


But, yes, it is a very stupid ruling.... it is perfectly legal to order - and have posted to you - hardcore porn via the 'net/mail-order, if you order from a foreign company. So why shouldn't adults be allowed to get the same stuff online/mail-order from British distributors?


True.

HM Revenue & Customs (formerly HM Customs & Excise) have allowed the import of hardcore pornographic material for a few years now, ever since the BBFC changed the R18 classification to allow R18s to be hardcore (a rating change which was itself brought about after a challenge against a certification decision).

However, anything which does not fit the BBFC's R18 guidelines is still classed as obscene, & is still prohibited from import & can be seized by Customs:

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Is that a paragraph mark or hypospadias? :erm:

:D

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Because our nanny state is worried that if we get to see that sort of thing we're suddenly all going to turn into sex maniacs, so they want to make is as hard (erm, make that "as difficult"! ;) ) as possible!

HM Revenue & Customs (formerly HM Customs & Excise) have allowed the import of hardcore pornographic material for a few years now, ever since the BBFC changed the R18 classification to allow R18s to be hardcore [...]

However, anything which does not fit the BBFC's R18 guidelines is still classed as obscene, & is still prohibited from import & can be seized by Customs:[/quote]

Except that they're not going to *know* unless they open it!

And, of course, there's the small matter that it costs *at least* £500 to get a 1 hour DVD certificated and if they decide you need to make cuts, you have to reapply and pay *again*!

This means that the small "specialist" suppliers either have to risk breaking the law by selling uncertificated material or risk seeing whatever profit margins they may have wiped out by the costs involved :(

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:confused: Why do they show War films and films containing Graphic violence as the norm on Television, But they won`t show a film contining images of two consenting adults having sex in a loving fashion?

I know which i would consider Pornography.:sleep:
I`d sooner see fcuking than murders and violence.:angel:

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I'm busy making sure that I download it all before they stop it. :D

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Because we're (the masses) are not to be trusted! :rolleyes:

ITYM "Obscenity".
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Watch that 1GB limit...! :D

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Swapsies?

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No stats to back it up, but AFAIK, since Customs changed their policy re. importing hc porn they have been opening & seizing less packages than before.

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Yeah, well now it's effectively legit to buy it over the net, they don't have to keep stealing it off other people to supplement their collections...

(And I'm not entirely joking here!!)

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I don't have a 1gb limit & I cant swap it - it's all sticky now :D
I can feel the need to write a DVD at the weekend, although I won't be able to sell it in the UK lol

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It would help if Customs would clarify what exactly is illegal i.e. what they class as 'obscene', because it will come down to the judgement of whoever is assigned to open it. Therefore it becomes a lottery. On top of that, the goalposts keep changing. I remember like 10-20 years ago, visible penetration, (and I think errect penises) were considered obscene and seized, but they seemed to change their minds, and now they seem more worried about S&M related material.

It would be a lot more helpful if they can at least say: "X, Y and Z are legal, but A, B, C aren't". At least you'd know where you stood, even if they don't become more liberal with their attitudes to it (and they really should by now).

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http://www.bbfc.co.uk/Customers/guid...lines_R18.html

edit - customs have never stopped any vids of asia carrera that I've bought from cdwow.

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Cheers for that mate. That clears up the BDSM side of things, given as it is pretty comprehensively defined and banned, but the first point (about vanilla porn, I presume) is still a bit wishy-washy.

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What in the name of Zarquon is 'vanilla porn'?

/has disturbing visions of a gently rocking ice-cream van :erm: :D

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Its a term meaning straight, mainstream styled. I.e. non-fetish.

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Sell at your local car boot like most others do:D

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Except that even those guidelines are, in places, either vague or unhelpful

eg "likely to encourage an interest in sexually abusive activity" involves a completely subjective opinion. How can anyone say "X, Y and Z will encourage someone to commit abuse" without reading their mind? It's not as if someone on the film will say "yeah, this is fun, go out and do it!"

"Any form of physical restraint which prevents participants from indicating a withdrawal of consent." means that you cannot show ball gags in use, because they can't say "no" or use a Safe Word but this ignores the possibility of "Safe Signs".

(The following link is to a page on my site and is thus for adults only, however it does not contain any explicit content, merely useful information on Safe Words and Safe Signs:



I hope this is ok to post, but if anyone objects, please delete the link and people can PM me for the address)

"the infliction of pain or physical harm, real or (in a sexual context) simulated. Some allowance may be made for mild consensual activity". How mild is "mild"? Again this is purely subjective. I know some people for whom a good thrashing with a cane is merely a gentle warm up!

"Strong abuse, even if consensual, is unlikely to be acceptable." Why? Because the people who made the laws didn't like it?

It's perfectly possible to go over to Amsterdam etc and buy hardcore BDSM films which show all of the above yet, somehow those "disgusting foreigners" have managed not to turn into complete sex maniacs... :rolleyes:
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"Vanilla" is a humourous but slightly pejorative term used in the BDSM scene to describe people/ practices which are wholly "mainstream", ie people who simply buy vanilla ice cream, not pistachio or tutti-fruiti etc and don't have a flake or chocolate sauce or whatever added to it.

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I see

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I'm impressed at Graham knowing about safe signs - most people only think of safe words, but they're not likely to end up so restrained that they can't speak :D And I agree - one man's mild is another man's extreme. Same goes for vanilla. Who knows what goes on behind the net curtains of suburbia :D

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In my line of work you should know these things :D

Besides, if you read the books on the resources page of my site, they give all sorts of helpful and useful safety information as well as "hints and tips" :naughty:

I'd like to believe that's the case, however although I think a lot of people are learning more about BDSM safety it doesn't mean everyone does by a long chalk.

I can help them if they want...!! ;)

The Shadow Knows! (Oops, sorry, no, that was something different! :D )

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Something I just thought about. Is material transferred to you via the Internet covered under this law? I.e. if I signed up to a BDSM web site, would that be illegal? And if not, what is the difference between downloading movies from the site and getting a hard :erm: copy?

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That's a good question and the answer is: Perhaps!

The general rule is that anything that's illegal in real life is also illegal on the internet, however they have to catch you with it (eg Gary Glitter) before they can do anything about it.

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I think Graham's right.

I think the offence would be something like "transmitting (or soliciting the transmission) of material considered to be obscene".

I just made that up but you can guarentee there's a proper charge for it somewhere. I'm sure they'd make it stand up in court if they wanted to ;)

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I can sort of subscribe to the argument that there should be no safe words or signs because the submissive one should trust the dominant one, who should know the needs and limits of the submissive one. Must surely be the highest level of intimacy to know what the other wants without him/her having to articulate it.

It's an education is CF :D

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Safewords are only really needed if someone wants to play a scene where they can shout "No! No!" (meaning "Yes! Yes!!")

But even with experienced players things can go wrong, someone can get cramp, mistakes can be made etc.

No safeword scenes are only for experienced players, even though I've been doing this for a lot of years I wouldn't be happy doing one unless it was someone I had played with an awful lot.

Yes, but that doesn't preclude a safeword.

That is is :)

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As I understand it, nothing has changed and it is just a ruling on UK based companies which have never been allowed to sell R18 movies via mail-order. If I am wrong about this then can someone please tell me. I have been getting R18 titles from companies based abroad for some time and I even had one opened by customs, who resealed it and sent it on because I was acting within the law, purchasing legal, licensed material for my own personal use.

The porn laws in this country are bizarre. As Matt said on page 3, what is the problem with regard to buying porn via mail order from abroad but yet you can't from within the UK? I can understand that there is a higher chance of the DVD being intercepted or opened by a minor for something sent in the post but given the fact that licensed sex shops aren't exactly many in number, and that gay licensed sex shops don't exist outside of London, Brighton, Birmingham and Manchester, I am all-but being denied the right as an adult to view legal material for my own personal use. I live in the third biggest city in the UK and the licensing body respoinsible for such matters has refused a gay store an r18 licence several tiems over several years (and raking in a five-figure sum each time) and this is preventing me from purchasing legal r18 material in person so I am forced to use the net to purchase said legal material.

The porn laws are crazy in this country and, as said before, porn only became legal here following a challenge in autumn 2000 and thank goodness that challenge took place!

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More or less, but the point is that EU law allows for the free purchase of legal goods from any member states without restriction on methods, hence the appeals.

*TELL* me about it...!! :mad:

Isn't there one on the Triangle in Bournemouth? I believe there used to be one there.

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Yes, Clone Zone has a shop in Bournemouth. Forgot about that.

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Of course the porn laws in this country are bizarre.
Sexist too.

Your allowed to see female bits when they are excited, but an erect willy... no way. (NOT that I want to see one ta!).

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Actually that's no longer the case (thank the gods).

Obscene publications guidelines have been quietly amended because the CPS is no longer willing to waste time and money prosecuting "obscenity" after they lost several cases and, of course, the advent of the internet means that unless something shown is clearly legal (eg child porn), it's just not worth them trying to get a conviction.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sex/s...818537,00.html

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Oh I think all men want to see "erect willies" - we need to compare and contrast in order to feel secure (or more likely for you straight guys, insecure) with what God gave us :)

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Don't you mean "clearly illegal" :D

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I think the word you are looking for is homophobic, given that it is those who likes eieng erect willy's who consume porn the most and are open about it too.

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People, please remember this is a family forum, the posts are starting to get too detailed and unsuitable.

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Interesting side note here: I used to be friends with somone who's brother was on the Obscene publications squad. I made a joke one day about him bring home some of their stuff for a party and was told I wouldn't want to see it as it was far too sick. Note, however, he quite possibly dealt with stuff that is illegal in this country.

In cases where the police and/or customs do sieze illegal porn and prosecute, somebody has to watch it to verify it is porn and it is illegal. This was his job.

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and I guess he has to view some pretty sick stuff.

All I want to watch is legal and certified R18 DVDs which, as an adult, I am entitled to watch. I can't go and get it in person so am forced to sue the net to make my purchases of legal material.