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This thread is for discussion of the film for those who wish to talk about the plot and spoilers. Dont participate if you havent seen the film and wish to remain spoil free.

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I've just amplified the warning a little so no-one can say they weren't warned. :)

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so..... I aint seen the film yet but hear that Lucas promised to explain in this one why Liam Neeson had to be burnt on a bonfire rather than his body disappear like Jedi normally do when they die. Did R of The Sith settle this important issue?
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They did explain this, and quite well too I thought. The only bad thing about this was how it was implimented in the film, it just looked to me like they suddenly remembered about that bit near the end and threw it in quickly.

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there is a conversation between Yoda and Obi-wan, where Yoda tells Obi that while he is on Tatooine he must do some learning about the dissappearing trick(becoming one with the force) from his old master.

The book actually goes into it a bit further.

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I really liked the way how R2 Was prtrayed in this film, they seemed to give him back some of the attitude he had in the original films, I think he actually stole the show for the first 20mins :)

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I can still remember the frame in the original star wars comic of over 25 years ago showing the scene where obi wan leaves vader by the volcano,Im really glad they kept that part true to original ideas.

Shame the 3rd trilogy has never been mentioned since the start of ep I
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Vader was burnt to at the end of epVI although he to like qui gunn still were able to show themselves

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I noticed that although C3PO's memory was erased R2's was not!! which means that he knows everything in the OT. I shall watch the films in a different light now.

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The film was absolutely brilliant i went to see it today.

Lucas has said many times that he will not be doing a third trilogy anymore.

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Yup, there was talk many many year ago of there being 3 films after the originals (episodes 7 to 9) but Lucas has said he's too old and making a trilogy takes a decade out of his life.

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I must have missed this bit of the film - where did they do that?

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I believe they are making a star wars television series. 100 episodes I think.
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Oh here it is

http://filmforce.ign.com/starwars/ar.../607491p1.html

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But was there anything left of anakin to burn or was it just the mechanical part of his body? Qui Gon learnt to cross over after dying not before so I assume thats why his body was burned.
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Thats how R2 Remembers being the property of an Obiwan Kineobi. I think its also why R2 seems so calm while 3p0 is freaking out (that and also the fact that 3p0 is a robotic pansy ;) )

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Saw it, thought it was rubbish.

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Right near the end, when Yoda tells Ben he has some new training for him. Basicly from what I can tell, any Jedi who knows the secret of Imortality dissappears when they die, Jedis who die without knowing this leave a body just like anyone else.
QuiGon didnt dissappear because he learnt after dying, he learnt how to cross over. I think Vader did dissappear and all that was burnt was the remains of his Mechanical self

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Leave this planetory system, imperial **** :grind: :D

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Blasphemy!!!!! :Yikes:

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Ive got it on DVD but wont watch it until I see it on the big screen as well :hide:

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LMAO - I like your style.

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Well it was.. poorly produced, crap acting to say the least and badly executed special effects.

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I'll hold him down, you kick him....

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TOTALLY!
His jetpack + oil slick combination was pure genius..
*drool*

I loved the film..
Saw it yesterday with a mate, seeing it tomorrow with dad..

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Pah, I dont need you to hold him down, just give me a clear shot ;)
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I do have to admit that the acting wasnt great, though it was still 5x better than the original 3 movies and 10x better than the last 2. The only special effect I can think of that wasnt great was when the emperor was going all mouldy (for lack of a better description).
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I also loved the bit with the battle droid....
Battle droid: Hold it right there you
R2: Zaps him with the electro cutter
Battle droid: Screams ouch and boots R2 in the head.

I just liked the way how R4 got his head ripped off (poor little buggar :( ) yet R2 has a standoff with the same droid and he kicks its butt (reminded me of how scorpions fight in the desert) .

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Saw this film yesterday, (have not seen any of the others) seems like a great film, and can definately see what all the fuss is about.

Thought the 'birth' of vader would be more dramatic though....

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Saw it today and loved it :D

I liked the way that the got rid of all the Jedis (not in a sick, murderous way, of course ;) )

...and the opening battle scene...

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I was going to take my 8yr old son this morning, but got on a downer when I found out it was a 12a!!!!! I felt so sorry for Connor as he has been looking forward to going for a while!!!!!

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He can go as long as he is with an adult the A stands for advised only ,Im taking my daughter and she is 8

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Just got back from seeing it and I am am commenting as a Star Wars novice. This was the first Star Wars film I've ever seen.....And I can safely say it was really good and I picked up the plot very quickly.
Excellent special effects, yet it has this retro style to it too which I guess is to tie in with all the other films.
Definately a good film.

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I thought it was great, can't wait for the 6 episode box set so I can watch them all back to back (geek alert).

As for the last 3 films not being made, there was a rumour that George Lucas' son may make them a few years from now......we will have to wait and see.

I hope they do, the story starts to get really interesting after Episode 6 ;)

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elaborate.

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I'm sure I read one story where Luke Skywalker finally turns to the dark side, and the new 'chosen one' turns out to be the son of Leia and Han Solo - cue a final fight scene between them remeniscent of Luke vs Vader.

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That's about it.

Luke forms a Jedi academy but eventually gets turned to the Dark Side for a while.

Han and Leia have kids (who are Jedi - or will be when they grow up).

There's loads more (Wookies used for slave labour etc) but it's been a while since I read the books.

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Aw man - i saw it tonight and well - i was left feeling dissapointed. I thought it was poor TBH.

The bit with Darth at the end shouting NOOOOO! was so hammy as to spoil the illusion that he's a bad ass mofo.

And padme dying because she's lost the will to live - give me a break - shes just had two kids and is convinced that there is still good in him.

I dunno - not good.

Younglings? Pfff..

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I managed to take my 8 yr old, but it was a kind of sad ending and Hayden's acting wasnt much cop, so I left kinda disapointed.

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Thought using Padme's death as a reason for Anakin turning to the dark side was contrived. Luke asks Leia about her mother and she says she remembers she was very beautiful but sad. So Padme can't have died in childbirth otherwise Leia would have no recollection of her. I don't think anything will beat the original trilogy but then I'm old enough to remember going to see them at the cinema from 1977 onwards so I'm probably biased - but I don't care! :)

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But maybe because Leia has latent Jedi powers, she could remember further back ;)

Oh, and :welcome: by the way

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When Leia said that, was it before or after she found out that they were related? I can't remember. Maybe Leia meant her adopted mother. :shrug:

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What - remember from when she was an embryo! :confused:
This doesn't satisfy me (ooh erh!)

And thank you for the welcome ;)
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Leia said it during the conversation she had with Luke just before he told her she was his sister and he does specifically ask her about her real mother not adoptive one.

(I know too much about these films!) :shocked:

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Leia was probably confused - she had been spending time with the Ewoks, so she'd probably say anything to get out of there :p:

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But everyone loves Ewoks!

Spending time with the cute, furry fellas probably crystalised in her mind her soppy love feelings for her real mum not taint or confuse them and she definately remembers her mum!!!

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Anyone else get the feeling we have a potential prolific poster in the making here?? :D

The Force (of silliness) is strong in that one....he shall be sent away to continue his training under the guidance of Nugget :spin:

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Hmmmm, about time I took on a Padawan and passed on my knowledge :D

Mind you, doesn't like I can teach pumpkin much - silliness and Star Wars knowledge? Might have a run for my money here :disturbd:

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Don't I have a say in this?

Maybe I'm a Sith looking for an apprentice and I though a discussion forum about Star Wars would provide rich pickings - lots of young men with malleable minds - so I can use my superior mind powers! ;)

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keep him/her away from the Dark one - Darth Nemesisus.

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It's not the malleable minds that you've got to look out for!

*ahem*

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We'll have no cottaging on cableforum thankyouverymuch :disturbd:

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she would have ment her adoptive mother,of course she was sad,the republic has become an empire,before the detruction of Alderan,the death star was being built the emperor had taken total control of what was a democrocy.Leia would have grown up with that,Bail Organa used to be ambassader it was all taken away


I loved the shot of the alderan ship,the exact same one as first shot ep4,even the interia was right,excellent film

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This isn't the forum you are looking for. Move along :p:

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I'm quite confused - where are all of the young men :confused:

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and since when did Russ think he was Elvis?

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You might be right about this being the wrong forum - you all have mucky minds and have misunderstood what I meant.

And she didn't mean her adoptive mun because Luke specifically asked Leia about her real mother!!! Am I remembering a different film to everyone else!!!!! :confused:

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I think the funniest part in Ep3 was when Palpatine appeared as a hologram Darth Sidius (anyone else notice darth can be swapped with "in" for most of the sith?) and my dad asked me (rather loudly) "isn't that the chancellor?" :rofl:

Ep1-3 has only proved what I thought all along, George Lucas can't direct for toffee, has no idea what his own story is about (remember, ep6 was going to be called REVENGE of the Jedi, when we'd been told several times the Jedi do not seek revenge! Hello George, did you actually read anything that you wrote??)
Personally, I'm going to ignore Ep1-3 and pray they don't affect the post RotJ books in any way as the continuity in those is fantastic and even the bad ones are much better written than eps1-3.
Maybe we'll get lucky and George will give up the rights so someone better can come along and remake them properly.
Anyway, must get back to my book to find out how Luke's son (Ben) grows up :)

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But how do we know that Leia knew who she was referring to? Could it possibly have been another strong maternal figure in her childhhood?

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Because we know Lucas is useless with his own continuity, so RotJ was most likely written refering to their mother, and Lucas screwed up with the end of RotS, even though he could have had Padme living after the birth, giving Luke up, and living on Alderaan for a few years in secret before finally kicking the bucket and letting Bail Organa adopt Leia.

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Don't worry, you'll get used to that ;) :D

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Think about the way that scientists think certain knowledge is passed genetically to babies in the womb (certainly with some animal species).

It's possible that one of two things could account for Leia's statement here:

1. She does remember her mother. Her mother was still alive (albeit for a very short time) when she was born so she would have seen how sad she was. Her Jedi powers could have allowed her to recall that.
2. Knowledge of her mother was passed on to her genetically (through the power of the force) when she was in the womb. Jedis are able to sense eachother's feelings in the normal course of things anyway, it's possible that the featal Leia could have picked up on her mother's sorrow when she was still in the womb.

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But leia's jedi powers are much weaker than luke's, so there's more chance of him remembering than her, and leia's twins were exceptions in that they were force aware within the womb

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I think trying to excuse Lucas's clueless attempts at shoehorning in a continuity error as a major plot twist in EP3 is being too kind. Why couldn't Lucas perhaps have Padme becoming frightened of the change in Anakin and his lust for power, and so he wants to learn about the dark side as a way of getting her to love him again. She could go into hidding because of her fear of him, have the twins in secret and Leia could remember her post partum - not through womb memories!

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The Timothy Zahn SW books are excellent :)

Kevin J Anderson's books... not too bad.

Some right stinkers though by other authors...Children of the Jedi, Crystal Star & others


Also wasn't too keen on the "New Jedi Order" books...gave up on them after the first few, although perhaps they've improved.

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Truely a dreadful book, especially after the summary on the back made it so promising. The major problem that I found with the Star Wars books was that most of the authors seemed unable to add anything new to the SW universe. Every book whenever it needed a simile or an outside reference would refer to the 3 original films, e.g. similes would always be along the lines of 'as grizzled as a wookie' or 'strong as a bantha' or a comparison would always be something like 'such as the time Han was frozen in carbonite'. It's been a few years since I read any of the books though after seeing the film I might give them another try (I enjoyed the Sith War comics though, must see if I can complete my set).

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Problem with the New Jedi Order was they killed chewie, and didn't know how to handle Han afterwards

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saw and film last night and was impressed but then i'm such a fan i'd never really call it a bad film..

still some bad acting and even worse lines they are given.. only Obi-Wan and The emporer can act but then still get bad lines..

though Annakin was turned far too quickly.. firstly he just didn't know which side to fight on and then next thing is a fully fledged Sith Lord and killing everyone.. could have taken longer than that..

ALso after he got in the suit after the fight with Obi-Wan you saw Darth Sidious say he had killed Pdme and you saw his strength increase with his anger.. they could have expanded on this more but the film ended straight away

still a few continuity errors but he was the chosen one as he did destroy the Sith in the end.

About the boxs and eps 7-9.. when they write books there is a Star Wars almanac that Lucas wrote that says what will happen in the future and these have to be kept in

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I sense a disturbance in the force ...... Welcome Pumpkin, excuse me while I punish etccarmageddon.

FEEL THE POWER, weak one.

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Loved it watched it opening night here in manchester,my son went dressed as vader,I truely feel people who bitch about star wars are guys who forgot what its like to go into a cinema as a kid and just purely enjoy a film,most the guys who seen the original 77 version in the cinema will be pushing 35-40 now and forget they where probably 10 when watching it so it was bound to be better for them.

I had floods of memories from watching epIII from spotting the millennium falcon to the peter cushing look a like,sure when i was 10 i loved this style of film more (who honestly thinks the original cast did a better job of acting ? carrie fisher and mark hamill are both so wooden just check other films theyve made),all in all I think "the force is strong in this one it is" my son loved it the same as I loved the originals when I was taken too 'em as a kid,

;) So stop bitching not even xmas is the same these days as it was in our day

my imdb comment here - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/usercomments-1203

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I'm a 'her' if anyones interested

and would combining my powers with Nemesis makes us a force to fear?

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Without a doubt ..... The rest are weak, can you not feel their fear of an alliance such as this ....

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As a beginner to the forum my senses aren't as keenly honed to their fear as yours - but I do sense a great disturbance - our alliance would be something to be feared!

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That disturbance generally goes by the name of Nugfart, and his sidekick Dave (has no) Stones, be mindful when they are near.

Much training you need .....

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I'm aware of the disturbance that Nugget creates - much idiocy he has

I'll be mindful of his dark powers, otherwise known as bad punning

I've still much to learn

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if you hurt me now, I will become at one with the force and more powerful than you could ever imagine.

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I feel the Nugfart is around ...
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Yeah, bring it .. My powers will defeat you, Pumpkin is a fast learner :D
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Pumpkin .... Note how slow and weak the Nugfart is ..... easy pickings :D

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Pah - mindful only of the living Farce, you. Jar Jar Stinks!


Powerful this Ilikemenesis is, but he is nothing compared to the Nugget. Follow the path to the light side - the power of punning is strong in this one!
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Slow? Your power's are weak, Jabba the Butt :p:

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Well I saw it.

I hope it's much better at the cinema (where I'm off to see it tomorrow with luck)

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The Force is weak with this one, can't even get my name right :D
Something is strong .... and is probably smelly too ...

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You're more moron now than man...

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Pumpkin ... If things start getting out of hand and you require backup of any kind ... contact Emperor Simon M.

He will surely deal with these lowlifes. :D

Powerful ally is he ...

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You know like Anakin was the good part of Vader, you can't really say that Simon M is the good part of Nemesis. They are both just bad... ;) :D

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Saw it last night. Defn. best of the 3 films. It's how he should have done the other 2 instead of trying to tie in the soft toy and candy consessions. Yes the script did suck (and in some places blow) but by far the best part was the dialogue by Jar Jar Binks.

Have to admit that I left the cinema thinking "it's 11 pm, I can be home by 11:15, log onto work for an hour.... then watch ep 4...5...6... don't _really_ need to be awake at work tomorrow"

Fourtunatly common sense prevailed and I went to bed. Instead of killing myself trying to watch the others, Now just need to wait for the extended DVD box set of 1*,2,3 and a whole day spare.

p.s. Apparently Lucas is trying to hoover up all those copies of the starwars holiday special off of ebay etc. personally I think that he's going to releas them with the first boxed set to make ep1 look good.

* the one with the extra bit where Anakin shivs Jar Jar Binks up as soon as Obi Wans back is turned then offers him some *ahem* 'Calamari' dip sticks..

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I think that I've made the right choice joining forces with Nemesis - a powerful ally have I!

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The only thing powerful about him is his stench - worse than Bantha poodoo, I'll tell you ;)

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perhaps you could say he's the bad fart of Nemesis?

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Where did you spot the falcon? Ive seen it 3 times and missed it everytime :D

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if you go to the star wars.com site you can see it there.. it's when they are flying into some hanger on Coruscant

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It could just be a YT-1300
Han didn't get it from lando until after he freed Chewie and went awol from the imperial navy

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I'll have to remember when I go see it properly tomorrow :)

(seeing as my screen grab is so pants)

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Hmmmmm.....

That screen shot's a lot more telling than you may realise ;)

Actually, the fact that you are even able to post a screen shot is quite telling.....
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If anyone's interested there's a really cool bit in Empire Strikes Back where Chewie starts singing a BeeGees song.....

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it is the actual Falcon

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Of course I deleted the file after taking the screen grab - I was just testing 'for educational purposes' ;):D

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That's ok then.....

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How do you know? :confused:

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Can someone please explain how the hell did they spot that small ship? ; :D

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'cos on a decent cinema screen - it's not small ;):D

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Come on, even on a big screen, it's a blink and you'll miss it thing ;) :D

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I must admit I played that bit a few times before I spotted it.

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yeah still only seen it the once but at the cinema it was easy enough to spot.its seen docking in a lower level landing port maybe it helped I was sat at the front a little more towards the right.And yeah it does make you wanna see the 4-6 episodes afterwards.only problem for me is it never tied up what happened to the wookies,looked like they got their arses kicked.and even though I doubt its the stuff thats gonna win oscars its still still heaps of fun

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That part of the story is covered in the next film (Episode 7) and by the books that have been available for many years.

Basically they (highlight for spoiler):

Get forced into slavery by the empire and end up working in the mines

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Don't know if its a good thing or a bad thing, but lucas is claiming there will be no eps 7-9 and he never planned for them

I'd still like to know how people "know" it's the Falcon when it could just be a YT-1300

I'd also like to know if anyone's managed to get KOTOR running on a Radeon 9100 mobile through some magic trick :D

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Seeing as how he likes to change things (look at the special editions of star wars) I wouldn't say that was written in stone.

I don't know if it would be a good idea to DO a 7-9. All I'm saying is that I wouldn't rule it out.