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ok after reading another post... i thought id start the fireworks thread nice and early ;)

so who is for and against them? personally i love fireworks. i dont care much for the people who complain about loud bangs scaring their animals and whatnot either. we have 2 cats, and have had several rabbits and other varieties of hay-eating animals that were never affected. one of my cats we cannot catch to keep inside on nov 5th, she sits outside and watches them...:erm:

i dont see what harm fireworks cause apart from the morons who decide to throw them at people etc. and of course that man in the paper a couple of weeks ago who decided to imitate a jackass stunt with a banger...

we get the campaigns every year to ban the things, but what *real* damage do they cause to anyone, apart form 2 or maybe 3 nights with less sleep than usual?

A trip down memory lane!! We had this very discussion and poll on .com at this time last year!!! :D

i dont give a damn what anyone else thinks i like fireworks since i was 6 ive let them off on the 5th of november every year using the correct procedures

correct procedures? you mean to say you have a 25m long garden for larger than bottle rockets and airbombs? :p

not quite i keep my distance let plenty of batteries off airmbombs are banned arent they ?

Ahh yes, the good old "I want so I'll have" brigade is still alive and kicking I see.....

I love fireworks too. However, some animals ARE scared by them (I have two dogs and a cat that are terrified by them)

Try living round here. Last year, the displays started in about July and carried on every weekened until March this year...

i think they have banned them for this year. just like the banned those cruddy little bangers a few years ago etc etc.

we let off batteries of things (mostly with loud bangs that set off next door's car alarm heheh), but we also let off big display fireworks, eg the rockets with sticks that brain u if you hit them. wh ocares about the 25m limit? ;)

:confused:

unlucky.. we have never really had that problem, except every other saturday night when the local kurds and muslims have a riot with fireworks launched at each other (yes they fire fireworks its crazy sometimes):eek:. and also in case any health and safety police are watching, we also have a big fire in our garden as well where we burn all kinds of crap... (not literally of course :rolleyes:)

what brigade im an individual sensible ive never hurt anyone my next door neighbors dont mind infact they set there own off

i dont join any brigade thank_ you_very_much :D

Ahh, Memories...

There seem to be a few topics that seem to come up from time to time :NTL being crap, the cap, religion & fireworks..

not even the fire or boys brigades? ;)

I hate them, think they are pointless, and should be licenced like other products that are desined to burn and explode:)

hmmm........boys...........;)

if used reasonably and correctly i see no problem dont want my fun spoiling just because a few prats think they are funny by abusing them

i've never known a cigarette lighter to be licenced, or a candle for that matter... /cynical

of course i am a believer in the theory that if fireworks were illegal, dangerous imports would appear and people would make their own...(after all who hasnt dabbled with pencil lead and sulphur in chemistry class? ;)

But lighters are not designed to explode:confused:

fireworks are great , i remember running away from maniacal jumping jacks when i was a kid , and putting bangers into bottles to explode them , and opening air bombs with a knife and turning them into mortar bombs using the handlebars of my raleigh chopper as launch tubes , aralditing a nail to the top of a metal german helmet and putting a catherine wheel on it ,lighting it ,then wearing it.......aaaah those where the days , no wonder people want fireworks banned.....ahem
:nono:

This year has got to be the first year in a very long while, where we're in September and there have been no fireworks yet.

I love fireworks and usually light a load of them up (for my nephew of course) :D though I do think that they should be kept to the bonfire week.

simple , ban them from public sale , anyone caught selling them or letting them off should be hung , they are a bloody dangerous nuisance , oh , and btw i do like fireworks ;) , nuff said :)

Yeah, it seems like an obvious solution, but it will never happen unfortunatly

shame , probably because the gov't rake in money from the sale of them :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Pretty much it I would think, same reason smoking (oneo fthe biggest killers in the world) is advertised, yet soft drugs that have no proven serious threats are clamped down on so hard.

Fireworks are dangerous, even when people take great care, so when some idiots get hold of them and start pointing them at people, attatching them to cats, I think it's time to make a ban perosnally.

Thats right. I have no problem with fireworks on bonfire night. It's just a major pain (we have two babies who get woken up) when they are let off over a two month period.:afire:

Yea thats right, lets ban em, the answer to anything. So much for freedom :rolleyes: </sarcasm>

ooooooooh er missus , so you reckon it is ok for kids to go lobbin them for a month either side of bonfire night do you :mad:
or do you live in such a posh area that kids dont go lobbin them all over the place ??????????
as far as i am concerned they are an unwanted nuisance
btw did i read your post right in replying like this , :Peace: if i didnt , :upyours: if i did in a nice sort of way , please dont ban me :(

Couldnt ban you if I wanted too (Which I dont, Cus I :luv: you :blush: :D)

Point I was making, was banning them isnt a good thing. Restrictions yea, But thats gonna be hard. Its like anything, My comment wasnt really aimed at fireworks, it was just in general.

some firework facts + statz:

http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/pdf1/firework9702.pdf

now more people get killed by driving recklessly every year and through other dangerous things like smoking dobt they? shall we ban them cos they cause too much death and injusry? :rolleyes:

interesting reading, the number that have died between 97 and 2002 is countable on one hand...

awwwwwwwwwww thats nice to know :D
but dont you think they are a bloody nuisance in the coming months ?????????
summat needs sorting methinks :(

everyone chip in and buy this moaning minnie a pair of ear defenders :D

That's assuming you have hands left after last years fireworks...

They are dangerous. And a nuisance. I understand people want to set them off, but let's limit the period you're allowed to.

no need to I'm actually called David

i can get ear plugs from work but my kids and cat dont like them :Peace: :p :p :p :p

HAHA this gets done every year. Oops sorry it was .com last year and before people say anything I'm agains't the little prats getting them too but what to do

EDIT: I know stick those bangers right up their _________

now there is a thought :tu: :tu: :tu:
maybe i should use my webspace that ntl gave me to start a protest site up about it , then direct it towards gov't :p :p :p

you do and ill personally be an assigned hitman stalking you :p :D

i dont think they should be banned but a sales period should be introduced because it is stupid that people are letting them off right now in september i mean whats the point of that :shrug:

Yeah cos setting them off to celebrate a terrorist makes perfect sense don't it:rolleyes: :p ;)

:D yes it does :p

i dont really set them off because of that i just do it because its fun although i have toned it down in recent years

*remembers when he used to buy 2-3 boxes with loads of battries then rockets as seperates :p

Jesus wept, no wonder the English have a reputation for being a nation of moaners.

Let me explain:

Once upon a time there was a tradition known as "Bonfire Night" or "Guy Fawkes Night".

A couple of weeks beforehand, kids would make up effigies or "Guys" and try to raise a bit of cash for fireworks.

On the night people would light bonfires and set off fireworks and everyone with cats and dogs etc would know to keep them inside.

And that would be it for another year.

Now shops start selling fireworks at the end of September and kids start doing the "penny for the guy" business about the end of the first week of October it seems like.

And instead of it being "fireworks night", it's more like "fireworks two months" as people let them off at any time of the day or night all through October, November and even into December.

And please, don't forget that these are *explosive devices* we are talking about and despite campaigns every year, children are burned or mutilated because even though it's illegal they still get their hands on them.

So if you want to see a firework display, go to a *properly* licenced and organised display (which is a lot better than a few poxy rockets and catherine wheels from a "selection box" which probably costs you over thirty quid anyway) and save everyone a lot of grief and hassle!

im not under any grief or hassle im not going to let a few idiots spoil my fun fireworks are here to stay

and stand in the freezing cold, usually where it's raining rather than watch some fireworks (albeit not as big or fancy as some of the displays) from the warmth of the house..

Interesting as if memory serves this was the line that craigj took in the previous thread about this last year on .com

As I explained to him then, it is not celebrating a terrorist, it is celebrating the thwarting of an act of terrorism.
Surely that is something to celebrate?

yep. the tradition has moved on a bit in our house from burning things like guy fawkes. last year we brned a osama bin liner "guy", and the year before taht a saddam hussein one. its fun... :p

we get to celebrate thwarting an act of war... though you still cant help but wonder waht would have happened to the country if mr guido had succeeded... :confused:

I wonder if this year people will be burning effigies of Tony Blair? :D

I love fireworks, I hate the little ****ers that think its funny to throw them at people and would If I thought I could get away with it beat the living crap out of them for it. I actually have had fireworks explode next to my car as I have been driving. Caught the lads they were about 14, they got a good slap for it.

I dont want them banned, that would spoil it for everyone, part of the thrill for me is creating my own little display, pro displays although good just are not the same.
Stocktons annual fireworks display attracts hundreds of thousands of people and it gets very dangerous especially for small children in such large crowds.

As far as I am concerend any kids caught misusing fireworks should be charged with maximum prejudice, misuse of an explosive device, couldnt they be charged with firearms offences?

Used corrctly and buying the correct approved fireworks means most risks are eliminated.

Firstly, that's the 2nd time in a week I have been compared with Craig J for some reaosn?

And my real point being, surely the fireworks are there to signify the gun powder he planned to blow up parliment with, so if this how we celibrate him being caught then it's stupid. Saying that though christians still wear a cross round their neck, like Jesus would want to see that.:shrug:

Yeah cos putting an effigy of Guy Fawkes on a big f*cking bonfire is really a true celebration of his life ....

aluminium foil and caustic soda solution is more fun - and you don't have to be in school lab to get hold of the ingredients. Any chemists want to guess what you can do with it? :naughty:

On a more serious note, a private member's bill passed this year giving the Government a lot more power to require licencing of larger fireworks displays, tighter licencing of those selling them and tighter controls over who can buy them outside of a fairly narrow period of time either side of November 5.

As is often the case in life, the vast majority of people are sensible and an outright ban would be a clumsy and unfair way of dealing with a problem caused by a small minority (most of whom are underage and shouldn't have them anyway - go figure!)

pfft thats boring.. and you need a small quantity of water as well... water doesnt grow on trees you know ;)

rubber cement does wonders for anything involving fire, but that is for another topic..

You wouldn't say that if you'd seen what we used to do with it...

/clue

involved a bin liner and a strip of newspaper soaked in saltpetre solution

By all means let everyone celebrate Guy Fawkes night.I've no objection as I would hate to see one of our historic celebrations die.
I do however think that children under the age of 18 should not be able to buy fireworks.That anyone who wants to have fireworks should have to obtain a licence only for the week that Nov 5th falls in and that anyone who lets off fireworks outside this week or without said licence should face prosecution.


Incog.

you didnt give me no clues before! all you said was get aluminium and caustic! if you add other ingredients you can do about a zillion things with it...

hmmm

Diesel, sugar and fertiliser wrapped up in newspaper.

Wasnt that one of the major ones from years back?

wont go into details, sure its illegal lol

Well ok, how about this ... what kind of bang do you think you might get if you ignited a bag containing about a cubic metre of pure hydrogen ... ? :naughty:

EDIT: And how much louder would it be if your cubic metre of gas was 2/3 hydrogen and 1/3 oxygen? :naughty: :naughty:

I'll leave you to work out your own recipe for oxygen, don't want to be encouraging illegal activity....

DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME KIDS!

Sorry, but I don't recall mentioning a guy at any point, nor did I spot this thread being about guys, mabe I got confused somewhere:confused: :p ;)

im sure thats what terrorists use...:erm:

say... you're not a terrorist are you? :p

one thing i would advise people to stay away from if they dont like fireworks is the cherry bomb. ive seen a tennis-ball version of one of them and its bloody insane...

It isn't a 'celebration of his life' - there is little to celebrate about his life. He was a small-time crook who was stupid enough to get caught in the act. He wasn't even one of the principal conspirators.

What we celebrate on 5 November is the failure of a bunch of terrorists to assassinate our Government in an attempt to install a Catholic dictatorship in England. That is something worth celebrating IMO, although personally I prefer to celebrate the failure of the plot without celebrating the grisly torture and execution of Guido Fawkes - we don't burn a Guy in our back garden.

Fireworks now seem to be a year round event. Specialist shops exist so you can have fireworks at whatever "celebration" you like, whenever it might be. For those of a nervous disposition, that you dont know when the next local bombardment will start up (it can be a big problem for humans let alone pets), that can be a nightmare. Maybe a decibel limit might be the way forward for those wanting to celibrate outside of bonfire night (and that''s the problem cos it's now effectively become bonfire fortnight around my area).

I'm not a killjoy, and do believe that sensibly done, fireworks can be great fun. My own party last year must have seen over £700 worth go up in smoke. I live 1/4 mile from my local Tescos, and people there tell me they had a good time watching mine (well I did advertise it to my friends as a "there goes the neighbourhood" do! :mad:

On a note of caution, one should take the distance warnings quite seriously. One of the bigger things I had, misfired and literally blew up, covering everybody attending with sand, shaking the fence, and almost blowing the neighbours patio door out (garden was 14m long, not 25m as required!). Not a trace of the thing was found, and my ears rang for days! :devsmoke:

You obviously do not have them going off all night for several months before & after the occasion thet they were meant for as much as the rest of us.

Either that or you cannot count!

Has someone dragged out last years poll results?

Not quite, you forgot benzene.

I never said it was, you must have missed the obvious sarcasm (which was in response to someone's earlier thread about "celebrating his life")

d'oh! :spin:

amm dich is what you want for a really good powerful explosion ;)

I'd agree with the distance bit. Also to bury them deep so they don't fall over.

It was a quick way to clear the garden last year. :spin: :eek:

It sounds like you had a blast that night:D

fireworks at home are great , we have them at bonfire night , birthdays , new year etc etc.......but its the shopkeepers selling the stuff to kids that need putting away not the kids for using them , same as the ones that sell kids beer and fags all geedy and thinking of profit before law.

I want to vote yes and no.

Yes because I'm sick of the local kids where I live who've been setting them off constantly since last November:mad:

No because I think that they're great.

It's just as well my Mum lives out in the country. Her dog (a Labrador - a gun dog) is afraid of loud bangs:confused: Mind you she's afraid of her own shadow, doors slamming in the wind, and being stroked if she doesn't see you.:spin:

surely a gun dog wouldnt be scared of bangs or it would be called a water pistol dog or sommat

LOL. Fortunately she's not a working dog.

hehehe the mind boggles as i picture a labrador in overalls and hard hat

ok then , i was at york yesterday at the caravan show on the racecourse , i got talking to a couple of firemen who were doing a chip pan demo ( how to put it out ) , and we got talking about fireworks , they reckon they are the most evil annoying things going at this time of year , they told me about one that went off at 3-00 am a couple of days ago that had appliances out running around in circles looking for the EXPLOSION that caused it , so fireworks are still harmless are they , sorry but i dont think so , how about your loved one burning to death in a house fire because some idiot let one off and the fire brigade couldnt reach there house in time , and please dont start on about the what if argument ;)

its all down to stopping shopkeepers selling to kids

fair point , but how about kids hanging around shops getting adults to buy them for them ??????????????
back to selling to adults again , which equals not selling them to the public full stop ;)

And so speak's Victor Meldrew

Or just soemone that has a different opinion to you, a discussion is pointless if everyone agrees with each other, so be big and provide a decent argument for you view and don't resort to name calling:)

ok , so you reckon it is ok then , i have listened to your jibes , maybe in ireland it is ok , now i reckon you are showing your true roots , idiocy springs to mind , if you have nothing sensible to say then do me a favour and f**k off somewhere else , to the mods of this thread sorry i had to rise to this but this idiot is really pi**ing me off , i should have done this a while ago , post reported :upyours: bifta

I DON'T BLOODY BELIEVE IT!!!!! ;)

I agree, but I've read a few of his post's where he likes to rant and rave like no-one else I can think of .. well, apart from Victor Meldrew that is, and it's hardly a wounding remark ...

Incog here!

Now unsubscribing from another ranting discu....errr argument.

No civility anywhere.


Incog :td:

May be the answer here is to restrict sales of fireworks to specialist licenced retailers, who can be vetted and approved for suitability of premises, knowledge of what the firework will actually do when it goes off (so you can get an idea of how your display might work), and of course have their licence withdrawn if they sell fireworks to the under age.

Get rid of the corner shop - they can't carry a decent range anyway. If you ever go to buy from a specialist retailer, you'll see what I mean by the choice of more bangs for your buck that they can offer!

I think I agree with this. Making it harder for anyone to get hold of fireworks will allow families to get them if they want - presumably by driving to the kinds of places where these things would go on sale - while making it harder for little *******s to acquire them from their local unscrupulous newsagent. I'm sure there would still be cases of abuse but surely far less.

Currently newsagents and the like can sell fireworks for only a set period. If sale was restricted to specialists, then a different restriction would be required - perhaps a minimum purchase value. We used to get fireworks from a specialist who set up stall at a local garden centre ready for Nov 5, and he used to say he could supply for any time of year but wouldn't contemplate any sale worth less than £30 (this was 10-15 years ago).

no need my mate , no need at all , i am entitled to my opinion same as you , nothing gives you the right to have a go because it doesnt suit you ----------- the end ;)


i think one of the problems is that there is no law regarding use of fireworks , you can set them off anytime you want to apparently :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

the idea of only being able to sell fireworks in boxes is very good and would work i think....maybe minimum box price 20 quid and only on sale to adults would be good.....what about bar coding the fireworks so if any yobkids do get caught with them they can be traced back to the shop that sold them?

Exactly, I voiced my opinion about you .. or .. is it only you that's allowed an opinion? And btw, before you start ranting and raving like a loony again and blowing thing out of all proportion maybe you'd consider that the original remark was meant in jest, if I'd have been serious I'd have said that you're a moaning cu*t .. but I didn't.

@ bifta , sorry but this should have made your ears ***** up and make you realise what was going on , i can have a laugh and if i had made a comment i would have put a little ;) or :p or :) at the end of it to signify it was tongue in cheek , you didnt so it seemed like an insult , now provide a decent argument towards the thread to keep it moving forward , if you cant then please unsub from it , nuff said i think

@ atomic22 the problem with barcodes is they are generic if i remember correctly , i.e. a loaf of bread bought in safeway will have the same barcode if bought in sainsburys , nice idea but i dont think it would work , only my opinion of course

OK Bifta, paulyoung666, just leave it please. If you want to carry on your bickering please do it in PM or better still, MSN.

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Welcome to Iraq circa 2002.

It's like a warzone outside with all the kids and their fireworks... :mad:
My dog is scared as hell too. :(

Strict firework regulations this year? Yeah right!

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same here.....our dog is cowering in my room with me.......i hate fireworks to :bigcry:

why oh why can't people keep fireworks for fireworks night?!

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I'm sure I have already said this elsewhere but if Firework sales were restricted to MailOrder with Credit Cards only then 99% of the idiots would not be able to get hold of them, but the more genuine users (such as me) would still be able to obtain them for bonfire night parties and New year. All sales would also be much more tracable.

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funny that it is the same around here , maybe they have confused today for the 5th , god only knows what it will be like on the 5th :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

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Same here, I have a cat that's cowering upstairs and has been each night (well, from 4pm) each day since Monday, and a 18 week old puppy that got hit by the remains of someone's bloody firework in our back garden earlier tonight :grind:

Fireworks? I'm with pem - restrict the sales of them. I'm with Roger K - we need stricter firework regulations - like better enforced times & dates they can be set off (and no, I don't know how we're meant to do this, but I'm not paid to think :P)

and bexy, I sympathise with you - I hate fireworks too :(

and if any of the gits that are setting off fireworks in my area of Gosport are reading this, given that my puppy isn't house trained & is now petrified of the back garden :rolleyes:, I suggest you give me your address so I can dispose of her waste :)

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:rofl:

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If fireworks were let off for just ONE NIGHT I wouldnââ‚Ã⠀šÃ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t have a problem with them. It the EVERY NIGHT for the last 3 bloody weeks I object to. With the constant bang, bang, bang every single night they frighten a lot of old folk & animals

So yes I think for those reasons alone they either should be banned or only sold a few (3-4) days before 5th Nov

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This all got quite heated and out of hand on .com when I posted there, but here's my 2p's worth for y'all to ponder....


I love fireworks. I think they are great and firework party's, where people get together with their familys and meet up with other familys for a bondfire and fireworks, are great too.

However, I don't like the people with limited mentality who get kicks from setting the damn things off in the street!

How about only selling fireworks in "cakes" or "batteries"? The ones I buy start at around £40 which takes them out of the pocket money bracket. They are also hard to dismantle as they are packed in a resinus substance and only have 1 fuse.

I think it's fair to say we all know the 'box sets' of fireworks priced £5.00 - £25.00 are crap. Lots of individual crappy fireworks. Air bombs are great, but have been far too abused by the thoughtless, so I'd have to conceed to let them go too..... so, no box sets, no individual fireworks, just display cakes.

Thoughts?

[Edit] BTW, I couldn't vote because I don't want them banned and I'm not "one of the little hoodlums" either.

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Now that sounds like a good idea!
They've been quite sensible here in Funtley, most people set them off yesterday evening, and not too late.
(had some lovely young ladies come round trick or treating too) :naughty:


I think sparklers should be banned, they are far too dangerous.

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Sparklers are no more dangerous than many household items, why should they be singled out ?

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Most children are taken to hospital with burns from sparklers.
It's a red hot bit of metal that kids hold and wave about, can't think of many household items like that which people willingly give to kids.

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My family have been using sparklers for at least 35 years (i.e since I was a small kid) and we have never been burned. But then my kids know to wear gloves, not to mess about with them, and put them in the bucket of water when they have finished.

If people get burned then I would put money on them not following safe practices in handelling them, which is hardly the fault of the sparklers. They are perfectly safe if used properly.

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I've seen many that curl up due to the heat
I've also seen the damage that some sparklers have caused gloves (man made) from hot sparks (a lot of sparklers have less than 10cm of bare metal to hold).

I know unlike most fireworks (which can explode instantly) the chance of an accident occuring is low, but all it takes is for one kid to quickly do something stupid (and we know how stupid teenagers can be with more dangerous fireworks) and then it's a night down A&E

I'd rather give my kids those glow sticks and bands.

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oh yeah , red hot metal stick , man made glove , melt and stick to skin , not nice at all :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:

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Each to there own :D
You are free to do that so why should they be banned and spoil my Kids fun, no one forces you to use them.

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Just got back from three days working in Belfast. Over there they seem to use fireworks celebrate Haloween. I'm not sure if they come out again for Guy Fawkes or not - Bifta?

In order to obtain fireworks in Northern Ireland, one is first supposed to get a licence from the police and then show it at the time of purchase. Anyway, while I was there, fireworks were going off almost continually at all times of the day and night. This evidence would suggest that licensing is not the answer.