Cable Forum

Cable Forum (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/index.php)
-   Internet Discussion (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=25)
-   -   Google Web Accelerator (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showthread.php?t=28145)

Richard M 05-05-2005 07:33

Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Google Web Accelerator is an application that uses the power of Google's global computer network to make web pages load faster. Google Web Accelerator is easy to use; all you have to do is download and install it, and from then on many web pages will automatically load faster than before.
http://webaccelerator.google.com/support.html
__________________

Update: :eek:
Just installed - this is quick!

dilli-theclaw 05-05-2005 07:36

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Well I've just put it on, we shall see :)

Thanks.

Bill C 05-05-2005 08:29

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dilligaf1701
Well I've just put it on, we shall see :)

Thanks.

Same here :)

zoombini 05-05-2005 08:37

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
OMG, Google is taking over the world.
How long before the Google OS?

Has Google been taking over the internet & slowing down the web pages before releasing this, which will put a nice little advert in the corner (or something) ??

philip.j.fry 05-05-2005 09:13

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini
OMG, Google is taking over the world.

Quite probably, they're looking like being the new Microsoft. Again, although they have excellent products and services, dominination by one company/way of doing things is always going to be a bad thing. Basically, this means that all your page requests are going to be run through Google, I can imagine the field day that all the marketing execs are going to have with all that usage data.

Can anyone suggest another search engine? (or perhaps I should start my own server farm :D)

Bifta 05-05-2005 09:14

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I'm not keen on this, it's used up nearly 60 meg of space for it's cache and I've only been to a couple of site, obviously if I clear it's cache then I won't be saving any time at all. </uninstall>

Millay 05-05-2005 09:24

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Broadband is fast enough in my eyes, Id prefer to keep my browsing habbits to myself rather than let some company know my surfing habbits...

Tear up your tesco clubcard and do not install google web accelerator, life will be so much nicer..

Derek 05-05-2005 09:32

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Millay
Broadband is fast enough in my eyes, Id prefer to keep my browsing habbits to myself rather than let some company know my surfing habbits...

Like Ntl you mean?

Richard M 05-05-2005 09:51

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I just noticed from using this in work that it's much faster if you have a faster than 1MB connection.
At home I was getting 1-3 seconds saved and at work I'm seeing 9 seconds.

Stuart 05-05-2005 10:18

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Ahh, a proxy offering compression...

Where have I seen that idea before? Ahh yes..

Opera's Mobile Accelerator (which has been operating on a subscription model for nearly a year)..

Admittedly, the Google one is free, and probably good, but it's certainly not a new idea.

TheBlueRaja 05-05-2005 10:59

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Ah the small print --- from google's privacy policy.

Quote:

Google collects limited non-personally identifying information your browser makes available whenever you visit a website. This log information includes your Internet Protocol address, browser type, browser language, the date and time of your query and one or more cookies that may uniquely identify your browser.
The problem is that this information, when correlated with information from web sites you're using such as user names, passwords, etc. (all of which would be routed through their proxy and caches except for https information which goes through the proxy but not the caches), can tell them, or anyone else who has access, exactly who you are, where you surf and what you do.

Chris 05-05-2005 11:19

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
Ah the small print --- from google's privacy policy.



The problem is that this information, when correlated with information from web sites you're using such as user names, passwords, etc. (all of which would be routed through their proxy and caches except for https information which goes through the proxy but not the caches), can tell them, or anyone else who has access, exactly who you are, where you surf and what you do.

Seems consistent with the way Google likes to make its money - by helping advertisers to target their messages more effectively. What's the betting this accellerator eventually starts feeding 'relevant commercial messages' into the web pages you view ...

I have no objection to the ads in their search results, heck I don't even mind them stringing ads down the side of my gmail messages, but I don't want them compiling a dossier on me, or potentially altering third-party information I wish to view on line, in pursuit of their profits.

zoombini 05-05-2005 12:38

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Hmm, would my profle have a tick mark next to "Surfs porn a lot" ??? :D :D

Chris 05-05-2005 12:44

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini
Hmm, would my profle have a tick mark next to "Surfs porn a lot" ??? :D :D

Only if you surf p0rn a lot ... ;) :D

Actually I'd be more worried if you started finding a string of Google ads down the right of your browser window offering you Swedish pen1s enlargers and the like. :erm:

Stuart 05-05-2005 12:53

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
The only ads I seem to see from google are ads from eBay offering to sell me dodgy NTL boxes..

Wouldn't it be funny if I looked at the NTL home page, and Web Accelerator had placed these ads within the page?

Electrolyte01 05-05-2005 16:16

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Giving it a try. So far it isn't working :erm:

dilli-theclaw 05-05-2005 16:18

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Well apparently I've saved 1.3 mins during they day so far. Which is good I guess :)

Electrolyte01 05-05-2005 16:21

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Finnaly got it working now, the little arrow goes up and down. So far 0.0 seconds have been saved :p:

Millay 05-05-2005 16:44

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
hmm im tempted to give it a go now, anything with uselless stats and moving arrows etc..

MadGamer 05-05-2005 16:46

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I installed it successfully amd the pages load lighteningly fast now.

Stuart 05-05-2005 16:55

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
One thing anyone who is on the 1 Meg/3Gig a month cap service should note: I have been using it since 10am, and while the estimate says I have saved 2.1 minutes, GWA has downloaded over 160meg of data..

Chris 05-05-2005 16:57

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
2.1 minutes all day? Doesn't really sound as if it's worth it!

Electrolyte01 05-05-2005 17:00

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
One thing anyone who is on the 1 Meg/3Gig a month cap service should note: I have been using it since 10am, and while the estimate says I have saved 2.1 minutes, GWA has downloaded over 160meg of data..

According to NetMeter, browsing CableForum is resulting in hardly anything being downloaded :erm:

EDIT: Now I understand why it uses so much space and I don't see much downloading, it's because it runs a private proxy on your system :dozey:

danielf 05-05-2005 18:18

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Millay
hmm im tempted to give it a go now, anything with uselless stats and moving arrows etc..

The moving arrow is quite cool really :)

Edit: I think that's the trick. Pages don't really load faster, but there's something to keep you busy while a page loads, so it looks faster...

Richard M 05-05-2005 18:39

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Electrolyte
Quote:

Originally Posted by scastle
One thing anyone who is on the 1 Meg/3Gig a month cap service should note: I have been using it since 10am, and while the estimate says I have saved 2.1 minutes, GWA has downloaded over 160meg of data..

According to NetMeter, browsing CableForum is resulting in hardly anything being downloaded :erm:

That's because CF is a dynamic site, so each page would have changed when you retrieve it (another post, someone goes offline, clock changes etc).
Therefore there will be no page the same in the cache.

Oh, and:

Code:

Pragma: no-cache
Cache-Control: private, post-check=0, pre-check=0, max-age=0

...means that your browser or proxy will never store the page anyway.

danielf 05-05-2005 18:45

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
How the hell does it download 18Meg when it displays performance data based on 71 pages visited? :confused:

kronas 05-05-2005 18:47

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
hold on....judging by the privacy policy does it not mean this is technically spyware ? IP logging site logging.....

anyway im refusing to install it on the basis that its collecting information.

Richard M 05-05-2005 18:49

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I like the prefetching. :)

EDIT: The privacy issues don't concern me, it's highly unlikely Google would ever do anything like Microsoft does on a regular basis.

kronas 05-05-2005 18:51

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
EDIT: The privacy issues don't concern me, it's highly unlikely Google would ever do anything like Microsoft does on a regular basis.

im afraid that i dont trust corporate compaines, i know google is one of the 'good guys' for now.....but it still does not change the fact that it is spyware.

AndrewJ 05-05-2005 18:57

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I agree with Kronas didn't this issue also raise up with G-mail?

Paul K 05-05-2005 19:03

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewJames
I agree with Kronas didn't this issue also raise up with G-mail?

Well if you don't want google or anyone else knowing your browsing habits I would strongly suggest never using a search engine anymore or browsing any sites that require or use cookies ;)

bbwannabe 05-05-2005 19:08

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Slowed down access to uni's forum for me. In my opinion, not worth installing.

Electrolyte01 05-05-2005 19:46

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
I like the prefetching. :)

EDIT: The privacy issues don't concern me, it's highly unlikely Google would ever do anything like Microsoft does on a regular basis.

I agree :tu:

Richard M 05-05-2005 19:50

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbwannabe
Slowed down access to uni's forum for me. In my opinion, not worth installing.

Read the previous post by me for why it would do this.
Also, I imagine that your uni's forum is on a LAN so it would not slow that down if the network admin have set the network up to bypass proxies for local addresses.

downquark1 05-05-2005 20:06

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
I hope this doesn't start a trend :(

I don't want my details being routed through cooperation servers even if I do love google.

Richard M 05-05-2005 20:35

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Google Blog post:
http://www.google.com/googleblog/200...or-no-one.html

Paul K 06-05-2005 07:54

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M

Might want to read this
Wrong log ins with Web accelerator
Seems it's happened on a few forums where people have tried the new accelerator.

Stuart 06-05-2005 10:08

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Well, with that, the amount of disk space/download bandwidth the web accelerator uses and the pitiful amount of time it has saved (I've been using it for 8 hours so far, it's saved an amazing 2.7 minutes), I'm going to uninstall it..

TBH, it seems to be something extra to go wrong (which is usually bad - look at the proxy horror stories on here for proof of that), insignificant speed increase (sorry, 2.7 minutes saved over eight hours is pathetic) and security risks, it's not worth the potential problems. That, combined with the fact that Google are offering something, apparently for free, that if it operates as described is going to cost an awful lot of money to maintain. Makes me wonder what they will actually do with the information the gather, and how they are going to make their money back.

philip.j.fry 06-05-2005 11:43

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul
Might want to read this
Wrong log ins with Web accelerator
Seems it's happened on a few forums where people have tried the new accelerator.

And already the 'fix' for it - http://67.19.9.2/?article=23051. And to think that the internet used to be a quiet place populated only with porn and geeks (please note I'm not suggesting any causal link between the two :D), nowadays it just seems to be one hassle after another :(

zoombini 06-05-2005 11:58

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris T
Actually I'd be more worried if you started finding a string of Google ads down the right of your browser window offering you Swedish pen1s enlargers and the like. :erm:

But mine is not Swedish, it's an English Pen......... :D

Won't be long now, GoogleOS, the new 64.2 bit operating system that runs on almost any PC, including an old 386 and gives super fast internet connections & searching.

etc..

Reading the privacy problems on the google blog puts me off.

Apart from the Gmail, verifier & the toolbar I'm a bit wary about the other installable products now.

philip.j.fry 06-05-2005 12:02

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zoombini
Won't be long now, GoogleOS, the new 64.2 bit operating system that runs on almost any PC, including an old 386 and gives super fast internet connections & searching.

.2 of a bit? How'd you get that then, 'mostly false but slightly true' :D

danielf 06-05-2005 12:17

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry
.2 of a bit? How'd you get that then, 'mostly false but slightly true' :D

Computing is finally going analogue :)

Richard M 06-05-2005 18:30

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
This is stupid, the Google proxy is screwing up cookies so it's marking all my posts as read. :(
I'm uninstalling, I didn't want to but the latest Firefox nightly contains a new feature which speeds up the net even more than Google can.

Raistlin 06-05-2005 18:56

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Tried it, hated it, ditched it.....

Richard M 06-05-2005 19:12

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Jesus Christ...
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/06...&tid=158&tid=1

So now I'm going to have to tell all admins/mods to never use this and also spend ages figuring out how to block it from the CF network.

MetaWraith 06-05-2005 21:04

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
Jesus Christ...
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/06...&tid=158&tid=1

So now I'm going to have to tell all admins/mods to never use this and also spend ages figuring out how to block it from the CF network.

easy enough with .htaccess and thr rewrite engine :)
http://fantomaster.com/fantomNews/ar...b-accelerator/

Neil 13-05-2005 14:57

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05...tor_suspended/

Jon M 13-05-2005 15:07

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
J.C<snip>

I know it's a serious issue for those that installed and use the software, but please don't blaspheme in the belief that it adds to the impact/urgency.
There are more than few people on here (some of them not as insignificant as me) who find this offensive.

Cheers. :)

bmxbandit 13-05-2005 15:09

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by philip.j.fry
.2 of a bit? How'd you get that then, 'mostly false but slightly true' :D

quantum computing anyone? :p:

philip.j.fry 13-05-2005 15:15

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bmxbandit
quantum computing anyone? :p:

Did it take you that long to think of ? :D :p:

Bifta 13-05-2005 16:16

Re: Google Web Accelerator
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
Jesus Christ...
http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2858
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/06...&tid=158&tid=1

So now I'm going to have to tell all admins/mods to never use this and also spend ages figuring out how to block it from the CF network.

Please don't recommend anything else ;)


All times are GMT. The time now is 21:21.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum