NTL Spam detection
 

Evenin

Anyone here feel that the NTL blocking of spam has waned a bit recently. i was very happy when they introduced and noticed a great reduction but of late my spam hits have crept back up again..... anyone

oh i know it could be the spammers becoming ever more cunning until NTL's outsourced solution catches up but i'm curious has anyone else noticed?

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Messagelabs March Report makes interesting reading linked to at http://www.messagelabs.com/emailthreats/ also click on the spam tab on the graphs.This shows a growing trend of spam mail with a slight dip in March but i gather that April will increase.
Spam generally is on the increase so if NTL block x% and allow y% then as spam mail gets bigger every month so does the y% amount that gets through.There is also an article on spam zombie bots on the October link on that url i gave above zombie bots are harder to overcome.
NTL's system is NOT outsourced by the way

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Frick ntl's spam detection, that's not too bad; it's MSN/Hotmail that need to improve theirs, and that's all unsolicited. Plus I don't really give my email address out, I use separate ones for forums/getting serials/signing up for stuff etc etc... silly aren't they?

The "Report Junk" doesn't sort it very well either.

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u see i knew i'd get hammered for that 'outsourced' remark... ok did i not read it on this forum or is it that they are using a set up provided by another company.... anyhow didn't mean anythin by it.

i take on board how you've explained the spam, makes sense. I use Spampal which i'm very happy with so its not as if any of it makes the slightest difference. Just glad that its a general trend a not a piece of software not running properly or a router misconfigured.

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my spam went from 100+:mad: per day and plumeted to about 10:disturbd:

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Found this link that may be of interest.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050427/sfw126.html?.v=3

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I keep my spam in da fridge:D

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spam, eggs, sausage and spam?

seriously though, I thought Hotmail's spam filter worked quite well... any I've received at any time has gone straight to Junk Mail.
I havent used my NTL email account for a long time, but I just checked it a moment ago on webmail (that was a long winded process... so slow!) and no spam... I used to get quite a few.

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Well not all of mine does, and even then Thunderbird picks up the bulk folder.

I've reported them and still, instead of the ****ing stuff not getting through like it's supposed to, it goes into the bladdy inbox.

But then, MSN are the most incompetent buffoons I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

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About 3/4 of my total mail is spam.. :rolleyes:

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[QUOTE=Toto]Found this link that may be of interest.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050427/sfw126.html?.v=3[/QUOTE]
Buying a product and outsourcing aren't the same thing..

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[QUOTE=simbr]The link was meant to show what ntl are doing about spam, and I felt it was worth mentioning in the context of this discussion.

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[QUOTE=Toto]
exactly, I have noticed a reduction in spam messages ;)

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[QUOTE=homealone]
I'm still getting over 100 spam mails a day. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Someone must like you then :p: I don't even 100 e-mails in total a day :erm:

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I've already got an excellent spam filter wot I paid for so I don't really need any help from NTL.However I guess that anything that speeds up the system has to be a good idea but as long as it can recognise true spam from ordinary mail.If not I can see having to make a decision whether to stop using my ntl addy.I only use it for joining sites and online ordering as it is.

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I got 45 this morning and I've had another 40 this afternoon.

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My daughter's account gets similar levels of spam, and there has been little change in the numbers since NTL's "filtering" was introduced - less than impressive!

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I think NTL have left it to long to implement a spam filter.

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My experiences withy NTL's spam filters are the opposite to what's intended- my office system uses BT Openworld and I sometimes send emails to people with NTL mail addresses. On at least 3 occasiones recently, my messges have been bounced back to me after 7 days with the "Undeliverable" message- presumably something to do with spam blocking algorithms? Resending via a different "Authorised" account sees the messges getting through OK.

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Have BT got a decent spam filter??
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I'm currently paying for a spam filter it costs me £5 per month to me it's well worth it.

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I get at least 10 spam a day to my ntl email, they are all pretty similar as well. gets rather annoying.

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Yes, they use Brightmail, the same system ntl will be using a few months from now if the news items are to be believed.

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BT have some spam filtring, but I don't think they filter outgoing messages.

For incoming mail, I now use Spamarrest, which is brilliant, but takes a little setting up. Cost about £20 per year, but can poll up to 3 POP3 email accounts.

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What was the actual error message?

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I am getting 100+ spam emails per day. I would have thought that most of these could be detected by any half-decent spam filter. MailWasher (on my PC) identifies the majority of these as spam, so why the hell can't NTL's system (which they presumably paid a hefty amount of money for) do at least as good a job?

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Not as straight forward as the basic algorythms that Mailwasher uses, keeping in mind that its corporate solution simply couldn't handle to 20M+ messages that ntl blocks every day.

ntl will introduce Brightmail into its platform in the coming months. If you read the latest news articly on this forums front page, you should get a better idea of what ntl has done, and will do soon :)

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Sorry- can't remember now, and have deleted/purged them.

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I believe that NTL's anti spam system is currently still "learning" how to identify spam (basically, it's in a mode where it analyses mail to look for possible spam identifiers - known IPs spam is sent from, bulk mailing etc), so, at the moment, is not identifying as much spam as it will do.

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They must like me then because I've had 103 spam mails to my server this morning. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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I really don't think that NTL should be blocking SPAM at their end.

How do I know that they aren't blocking legitimate messages that I would want to receive?

Leave it to the user to sort their own SPAM out, or better still educate them about why they're receiving so much SPAM.

The only emails that ever come to me are from companies whom I have given my email address to for that purpose. I never receive any unsolicited email.

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I too only use my addy for specific places and online ordering..however I never signed up anywhere for cr@p about viagra and pornography.I also never signed up for the russian spam I'm currently getting.So who decided I should get all this email about it?

Drives me up the wall that despite all my care about ticking the right boxes I still get all this spam... :rolleyes:

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Incognitas: if you're email address is a dictionary word or in firstname.lastname format you're almost guaranteed to get spam eventually since they can simply guess it. Also publishing your email address anywhere (on a webpage or newsgroups) means it can be harvested, and these days simply having your email address in someone's else's mailbox can be a risk if they contract a virus since some of these now harvest email addresses.

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Two of my email addresses are in the format FirstName.LastName @ ntlworld.com and I've never had any problems.

I think that's largely to do with the fact that they don't get posted on the net anywhere.

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LOL, trust me, Incognitas already knows this :)
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The introduction of Brightmail onto the ntl anti spam platform should give the end user the option to decide how ntl deals with spam. This will prove usefull, as I'd rather trust my firebird program than ntl to tell me what's spam and what isn't. :)

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I don't think that Incognitas is a dictionary word.Well not in any common
ones.I have NEVER used the first name last name option either because I always thought that was disasterous.Besides it's hardly the epitome of imagination.. ;)

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In the past I've requested my provider not filter or at the very least not filter as heavy and then use Spam Bully http://www.spambully.com or spam bays on my computer so i can decide for myself

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The first part of the above is completey wrong, the second part is kind of right.If you look at this http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/158/ntl-deploys-advanced-openwave-spam-and-virus-protection you will see reference to Gxedge , this is a Spam blocking system not spam filtering.

Spam blocking works from blocklists like spamhouse and does not allow the identified spam mail onto the mail platform in the first place, so it cannot be analyzed.Block lists are lists of known bad i.p.s domaints etc

The second NTL phase of using Britemail is the spam filtering which works on mail that has got onto the platform and it is that that will look at content spam signatures etc