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Mr_love_monkey 28-04-2005 15:27

Memory tools
 
Hi Guys,

Sorry if this has been covered before - I had a search but can't find anything.

Basically I need a tool that will tell me what type, and how much memory a pc will take.

I had a look at the system scanner from crucial, but that requires internet access, and not all the machines that I need to survey have that....

Suggestions?

zing_deleted 28-04-2005 15:29

Re: Memory tools
 
I think the said software is called Motherboard manual :D Sisoft gives you a max amount and type thats in there now ,dunno if everest does.

Mr_love_monkey 28-04-2005 15:32

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb
I think the said software is called Motherboard manual :D

And this is called a smack round the head :p: :D

The company that owns the machines, don't really have anything in the way of an IT policy, and don't seem to believe in keeping manuals... :) - and their machines seem to have come from where ever they could get them the cheapest

zing_deleted 28-04-2005 15:42

Re: Memory tools
 
Have a look at the free sisoft sandra :D And i got a head ache now :D :D

paulyoung666 28-04-2005 16:27

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb
I think the said software is called Motherboard manual :D Sisoft gives you a max amount and type thats in there now ,dunno if everest does.


pretty certain that everest does this :)

Mr_love_monkey 28-04-2005 16:52

Re: Memory tools
 
Ta guys

Ramrod 28-04-2005 17:35

Re: Memory tools
 
Why don't you have a look here and see if there is anything that might do the job? There appear to be several utilities there that might be what you need........

greencreeper 28-04-2005 19:36

Re: Memory tools
 
Type is easy - look at an existing chip. Or am I missing something? :erm: As for type, well I think modern PCs are more flexible but in the days of olde you had allsorts of weird requirements, such as no empty slots in a bank.

Mr_love_monkey 28-04-2005 19:59

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by greencreeper
Type is easy - look at an existing chip. Or am I missing something? :erm:

I'd just prefer not to be crawling under desks, and so on, if I can do it from an app...

homealone 28-04-2005 20:09

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_love_monkey
I'd just prefer not to be crawling under desks, and so on, if I can do it from an app...

this is the kind of info you get from Everest

Quote:

Memory Module Properties:
Module Name 88F5HDL0-1UDG
Serial Number None
Module Size 512 MB (2 rows, 4 banks)
Module Type Unbuffered
Memory Type DDR SDRAM
Memory Speed PC3200 (200 MHz)
Module Width 64 bit
Module Voltage SSTL 2.5
Error Detection Method None
Refresh Rate Reduced (7.8 us), Self-Refresh

Memory Timings:
@ 200 MHz 3.0-3-3-8 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 166 MHz 2.5-3-3-7 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)
@ 133 MHz 2.0-2-2-6 (CL-RCD-RP-RAS)

Memory Module Features:
Early RAS# Precharge Not Supported
Auto-Precharge Not Supported
Precharge All Not Supported
Write1/Read Burst Not Supported
Buffered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
Registered Address/Control Inputs Not Supported
On-Card PLL (Clock) Not Supported
Buffered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Registered DQMB Inputs Not Supported
Differential Clock Input Supported
Redundant Row Address Not Supported

greencreeper 29-04-2005 00:17

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by homealone
this is the kind of info you get from Everest

How's climbing up a mountain any better than crawling under a desk :erm:


:p:

Odin 29-04-2005 17:45

Re: Memory tools
 
Hi all
Have recently hooked up to internet at home. Had usual scares, worrying about trojans, spyware, adware etc (which one to trust). Anyways think I've got all that sorted. Now fully equiped with norton, Ad-aware, spybot and Zonealarm. All scans now show noprobs, but even when not hooked up to internet my PC is soooooooo slow. Startup takes a good 5 mins (have used msconfig.exe) to minimise files loading from boot. Gone through registry.exe. Have I missed something or what???
Maybe it's just my processor cant hack it anymore (Celeron 500MHz, plus 224Mb RAM). Having gone through the trauma of all the above, am now considerring dwnloading some kind of memory manager such as PC mightymax, PC pitstop or tune-up. But due to my growing paranoia I thought I'd best ask round first.

even deleting a shortcut from my desktop takes about 10 seconds, sometimes!
Help!

zing_deleted 29-04-2005 21:59

Re: Memory tools
 
:welcome: you dont say what operating system your using,if its xp with all the apps running you are have shortage of ram,memory managers in my experience will not help,I would advise either more ram or to run win98 se instead of xp

Odin 29-04-2005 23:34

Re: Memory tools
 
Sorry, was in a rush earlier. I'm actually running windows 98

Matth 30-04-2005 00:42

Re: Memory tools
 
Everest will also tell you the make/model of the motherboard, and from there, it's a quick visit to Crucial's memory selector - or the motherboard maker's site or a search engine - actually, so far, I think everest's memory slot description has been pretty accurate - most boards seem to have as many slots as it says.

The knottiest problem - though it MAY have gone away with DDR memory, was the module size/bank limit - some systems could not use single sided / high density 256Mb SDRAM DIMMS - the same ones also don't support 512Mb modules, but can run low density / double sided 256Mb and any 128Mb.

Going back further, you can find even worse examples, with bank by bank limits, though that may be pre-Pentium.

I don't suppose that you'll meet anything with SIMMS - not worth updating anyway - though SIMMS just about staggered into the Pentium era, they were obsolete by Pentium 2.

zing_deleted 30-04-2005 00:54

Re: Memory tools
 
to be honest how fast can you expect a 500 celeron to go,you need the virus scan,you need the firewall ,chuck some ram at it as a few friends see if they have any or know someone who might have some old ram to try

Odin 30-04-2005 01:18

Re: Memory tools
 
Pretty much what I suspected- been on my mind to upgrade. Well, I did a few bits and bobs along the way over the years. Think it originally had 68Mb RAM- The rest I salvaged from the scrapheap (literally). Will check everest and see if worth updating the CPU or the whole dam lot.

Cheers guys

Always good to get second opinions

zing_deleted 30-04-2005 01:44

Re: Memory tools
 
what you really need to do is deside exactlly what you want it to do,if it does that, then stick with it ,otherwise its a few hundred quid spent on something you do not really need.If on the other hand it does not then a new build would be the way to go if affordable,its all down to choice.If you browse the net and word process then your fine.If you want to decode video or create dvds or want to play games then .......

Odin 30-04-2005 12:20

Re: Memory tools
 
Well I ran (although deathmarched would be a more accurate description) Everest last night. Very useful bit of software! 2.5Hrs later(yes it was that slow!), after my computer finally managed to load and print a report for me, got lots of useful info. I just need some help with the translation though. Not sure what to look at, but here's a few stats for ya:


Physical Memory:

Total 223 MB

Used 169 MB

Free 53 MB

Utilization 76 %

Swap Space:

Total 1669 MB

Used 92 MB

Free 1576 MB

Utilization 6 %

Virtual Memory:

Total 1892 MB

Used 262 MB

Free 1630 MB

Utilization 14 %

Benchmark test:
Mem latency 211.8 ns
Mem write 112 Mb/s
Mem read 406 Mb/s

Clutching at straws, but updating my BIOS wouldn't help I guess (currently 1998, V4.51PG Pheonix tech). Just thinking in terms of boot speed really.
Basically I mainly need comp for internet, word processing and some graphics software.
As I say this is all a learning curve to me at the moment. Any pearls of wisdom (not the Norman kind).

Matth 01-05-2005 19:47

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The test - not really needed, the identification stuff like SPD, memory slots etc. is done by the time the display is up.

Odin 02-05-2005 12:27

Re: Memory tools
 
SPD?
My main gripe is even when not connected to internet, and anti-virus, anti-spyware disabled, my computer is still extremely, pathetically, fingertapping, wall starringly sloooooooooow.
Before I had broadband fitted things ran nice and smooth. I could understand it if I had stuff running in the background, but it's slow even without that stuff now. All scans are clean- I've done so many scans of every kind I can think over the last wk1/2, I've lost track. The only way I could defrag (my initial suspition was a messy use of harddrive space, after dwnloading latest versions/ updates for explorer, win98, MSmessenger, RealPlayer etc.) was in Safe mode and still is. So something is working in the bckgrnd but I don't know what. I've tried chucking more RAM it at, but my motherboard doesn't seem to shift past 256MB- it did accept 384 but only the once, then wouldn't boot up. Just told me there was a fault with device 3 section B (??) and to run windows setup.

Basically
1. why isn't it running like it used to when not using internet?
2. What the smeg do I have to do to get it back the way it was?

I know I have an old spec machine, but if it was ok before, whats caused it to slow down.

Sorry guys, rant over- It's just am trying to write up a PhD (and yes backed up a few versions BEFORE broadband was installed). Am so close to finishing and now I cant even open Microsoft word!
:mad: :grind: :banghead:

zing_deleted 02-05-2005 12:33

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Odin
SPD?
Basically
1. why isn't it running like it used to when not using internet?
2. What the smeg do I have to do to get it back the way it was?

I know I have an old spec machine, but if it was ok before, whats caused it to slow down.

:mad: :grind: :banghead:

Take it off the net,Uninstall firewall ,anti virus and spyware and it may well be back as it was,firewalls and a/v run in the background,some a/v runs a constant slow running scan in the background,do you have one of those??
If you want it to do some singing and dancing and your not happy with it doing the waltz im afraid the only option is upgrade

Odin 02-05-2005 12:41

Re: Memory tools
 
I know what your saying. I've tried disabling them all via msconfig.exe so they dont even startup from boot, so wouldn't that just leave those progs sitting idle on my harddrive without using up RAM?
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If so then something else must be eating it up

zing_deleted 02-05-2005 12:48

Re: Memory tools
 
Some programs start up without sitting there
Try looking in processes see if anything from a/v runs there,just cuz there isn't an icon in the tray does not mean its not running

Odin 02-05-2005 12:49

Re: Memory tools
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb
If you want it to do some singing and dancing and your not happy with it doing the waltz im afraid the only option is upgrade

Flagpole dancing would be more apt. It's either giggle, or trash my monitor at this point........................ oh go on then, :)

zing_deleted 02-05-2005 12:54

Re: Memory tools
 
:LOL:

Odin 02-05-2005 13:12

Re: Memory tools
 
I've been faffing around with dXdiag, msconfig, registry, easycleaner, scandisk, notron, ad-ware, spybot, defrag and RAM, but ya can ney change the laws of physics captain- and physics was never my strong point.
My computer just sont have the powrrrr.
Upgrade seem inevitable, huh?
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I know I'm stuborn, so here I go again. To get back to actual title of this subject- MEMORY TOOLS.
!!WARNING!! Am about to go all treky.

Your captain Piccard in your saucy NCC-1701-D (get it, saucer section), with ya Geordie LaForge and Data, and here I am captain Kirk riding around shotgun in a battered old NCC-1701-1 (i think). Are there any tools I can throw at Scotty dwn in my engine room, to kick his crappy scottish accent whinging, ass??

zing_deleted 02-05-2005 13:21

Re: Memory tools
 
aye captain but we have a warp core breach and had to jetison the core
We need a new core captain and while your at it we could do with a new curcuit,and while your at it captain if we give it some fresh lithium crystals it may keep up

core = processor
curcuit= motherboard
lithium crystals=ram

Odin 02-05-2005 13:31

Re: Memory tools
 
:sniper: We come in peace, shoot to kill!

We come in peace= me on this forum for advice
Shoot to kill= setting to auto destruct, beam back to spacedock and build a new enterprise!
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:LOL: :jk:
Nevermind, thanks anyways. Think spock went awall on me a while ago.. I'm off in search of him, and a new ship. Will let you know when I'm back in orbit. Death to the NCC-1701-1 and Scotty- auto destruct..... activated. Asta la vista, baby

Scotty= virtual memory. Well let's face it he never did much real work.

Odin 02-05-2005 17:10

Re: Memory tools
 
Scotty pulls it out of the bag. Auto-destruct stopped at Tmius 2 seconds.

Looks like I was just being impatient. I currently have EIGHT open windows (that includes MSword, MSmessenger, Iexplorer, all whilst listening to some MP3 files- Rage against the machine naturally!) and all seems well. Try explaining that one.
Alls I can say is YAY!!
Must just be a case of sitting out the storm for about 20mins after the damn thing first boots up. Weird thing is I seem to now only have 128Mb RAM! Go figure!! Will take RAM sticks out and re-seat again....... or is that just tempting fate?

zing_deleted 02-05-2005 18:19

Re: Memory tools
 
worth trying
And set phazers to stun for not giving an old tired pc a chance :LOL:

Odin 09-05-2005 17:41

Re: Memory tools
 
Just doing a quick fly-by to let you know all is still ship-shape, curising about warp 8 these days. Think the doc (Norton anti-virus) wasn't getting on with scotty (virtual mem) so think confining him to quarters did the trick (I disabled the auto-protect). Anways saw this and thought of you. Something to relieve those day-to-day pressures and strains. http://www.wavhounds.com/fart-trek.html

Enjoy!

zing_deleted 09-05-2005 18:14

Re: Memory tools
 
:LOL:


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