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bopdude

27-04-2005 08:19

Kids pc .....................again :(

Ok, I decided to open a whole thread on the kids determination to wreck their pc and give me a headache, this could be an ongoing topic ;)

I was called over to their house to " have a look at the pc "
On start up we get an error message saying windows\system32\config\ missing or corrupt, insert set-up disk and press 'r' to try and repair fault.

I have tried this to now avail, tried starting in safe mode, also via the F8 route I've tried restoring to the last known good configuration, tried changing boot sequence to try and boot from cd, still won't have it :(

I will be bring the pc over to my place later so as I can work on any suggestions straight away as the pc is needed for homework ( must be no library's left ) :rolleyes:

Anywho, thanks in advance for any and all help :tu:

Ramrod

27-04-2005 08:26

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Any help?
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Or this?
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.....and microsoft have a lot on that error.

gazzae

27-04-2005 08:28

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

There should be more to the error message either "\config\system" or "\config\software". These are the registry hives that are corrupted.

I had one recently where the software hive was corrupted. I copied the hive from the "repair" folder. This got the PC back up and running but because the backup copies where taken the first time XP started I had to reinstall all applications again.

bopdude

27-04-2005 08:35

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Any help?
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Or this?
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.....and microsoft have a lot on that error.

Thanks mate :tu: will have a better look when I get the pc here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gazzae

There should be more to the error message either "\config\system" or "\config\software". These are the registry hives that are corrupted.

Soory, it was config\system :tu:

Nemesis

27-04-2005 09:13

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

If it was the "system" file, then it holds the information based on you Hardware configuration. This will need to be restored from the original file that was created when the system was installed.

You will probably be ok with the software that has been installed, but will need to reinstall NAV if you have it.

I would recommend reinstalling SP2 as well after you get the system running again.

This is the Microsfot Information on the subject

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;307545

I would not do ALL that they tell you, as you will have to reinstall ALL your software. So do this one first and see if it recovers.

Boot from XP CD selecting the r option. Once in the recovery console, cd to windows directory.

Quote:

md tmp
copy c:\windows\system32\config\system c:\windows\tmp\system.bak

delete c:\windows\system32\config\system

copy c:\windows\repair\system c:\windows\system32\config\system

Now reboot..

If more than the system registry file has become corrupt, then a new message should appear, however experience has shown me that this should recover the system.

Once you have it back .... reinstall SP2.

I had problems with these two also.

Windows Installer

Windows Script 5.6

Good Luck

bopdude

27-04-2005 11:39

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Thanks Nemmie, have pm'ed you, will look at the pc later on :tu:

goldchip

27-04-2005 16:50

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Or, if that PC is running XP, then u could let the system do the work for you:
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;304449

This actually works perfectly, is dead easy (if u can read a calender ;-) -IF u can get to the command prompt.

Nemesis

27-04-2005 17:03

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

I don't think he will get the F8 choice ..

bopdude

27-04-2005 18:45

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by goldchip

This actually works perfectly, is dead easy (if u can read a calender ;-) -IF u can get to the command prompt.

Nope, can't get to cmd :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemisis

I don't think he will get the F8 choice ..

I can get to F8 choices but they will not load, tried your earlier suggestion but the pc wont even recognize the disk, I'm on the road until tomorrow I'll have another go when I wake up. Expect a phone call Nemmie ;)
tia

Nemesis

28-04-2005 08:35

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

you did set the bios to boot from CDROM didn't you bop ....

bopdude

28-04-2005 12:10

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

you did set the bios to boot from CDROM didn't you bop ....

Hi matey, late onelast night, just got up, yep, changed the boot sequence and still no joy, would me rigging up the duff hd to my machine enable me to format it ?? would the missing file stop me in any way re-installing the OS onto it ??

Gonna have a cuppa, see if you reply and if not go for it anyways.

Nemesis

28-04-2005 12:16

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Yeah, you can do that ... don't understand why it won't recognise the CD ... weird.

As long as you don't want anything off of the HDD, then by all means reformat/reinstall :D

gary_580

28-04-2005 12:17

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Whats on the hard drive should be irrelevant if your trying to boot from an OS CD
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Yeah, you can do that ... don't understand why it won't recognise the CD ... weird.

As long as you don't want anything off of the HDD, then by all means reformat/reinstall :D

still going to have to boot from the CD

Nemesis

28-04-2005 12:18

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

^^^^ What he said

bopdude

28-04-2005 12:26

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Right will see if I have time to do it now, gotta catch a train at 14.55 for work again :(
And yes, I know I've still gotta boot from CD its just not being seen at the mo, anyway, thanks for the replys guys, gonna give it a whirl now.
I'll let you know :tu:

bopdude

28-04-2005 13:56

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Well after installing the hd in my pc I could see it no probs, right click> properties > file checker gave nothing, left it formatting coz I was outta time, roll on next week, proper job with proper hours. I'll work on the hd when I get back in the morning, thanks again for the help.

bopdude

29-04-2005 09:15

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Well got back around 7, been on this 'kin thing since then ( lack of sleep not helping ) looks like we're sorted out, posting from their pc on my connection.
Thanks to all for help and tips, greenies on the way as sson as I get the 2 pc's put back together again, and have a shower ... lol, thanks again :tu:

EDIT: what I should have said was online from their hd on my puter, chucked their hd back in their puter and it wont go past post, it says searching for boot record from IDE-0 .. OK but wont go past this point, any ideas :shrug:

TIA
PS, needless to say mine seems fine as I'm posting from it :tu:

bopdude

29-04-2005 18:29

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

BUMP

homealone

29-04-2005 18:39

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

BUMP

silly question - did you jumper it as a slave & havn't put it back to master?

- apologies if you have already checked this, bop ;)

gary_580

29-04-2005 22:19

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

what greenies ;) lol

Have you tired running your hard drive in their puter? I suspect the disc controller might the up the spout which might also explain why you cant boot from CD on their puter.

bopdude

30-04-2005 00:38

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by homealone

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

BUMP

silly question - did you jumper it as a slave & havn't put it back to master?

- apologies if you have already checked this, bop ;)

Thanks mate, yep checked and double checked jumpers :tu:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gary_580

what greenies ;) lol

Have you tired running your hard drive in their puter? I suspect the disc controller might the up the spout which might also explain why you cant boot from CD on their puter.

Sos mate will rep, honest Guv, will give the hd's a swap tomorrow or asap, got work again :(

bopdude

08-05-2005 11:33

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Hi all, ok, I know its been a week or so but I have finally got back to looking at the kids pc, I have put my hd in the puter and it boots to the login screen, when I enter my password it go's to the lets activate windows blah blah, I assume that's because of the hardware differences in machines :shrug:

So, both HD's with OS's work in my machine and only my HD works in theirs past the post, their HD in their machine gets to the checking for boot record from IDE... OK, and gets no further.
Ideas on a postcard please guys and girls.
BIG thanks in advance

EDIT :-

Been messing about and now I get another message saying NTLDR missing, I'm off out for a bit, think I might format again when I get in and start from scratch, unless anyone knows a way around this missing file :shrug:

TIA

zing_deleted

08-05-2005 12:38

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

That means no working os found on that hdd,try a repair install maybe?

Rough.D

08-05-2005 13:17

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

this might help

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"NTLDR Is Missing" Error Message When You Upgrade or Install Windows XP Over Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Millennium Edition
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Microsoft Windows XP Professional

For a Microsoft Windows 2000 version of this article, see Q255220.

SymptomsWhen you attempt to install Windows XP or to upgrade to Windows XP on a computer that runs Microsoft Windows 95, Microsoft Windows 98, or Microsoft Windows Millennium Edition (Me), you may receive the following error message after the first restart during the installation process:

NTLDR is missing
Press any key to restart
This behavior occurs only if Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me is installed on a large-capacity drive that uses the FAT32 file system.
CauseThis behavior can occur if your existing Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me installation was cloned and then applied to a drive that has a different geometry from that of the source drive of the cloned copy.

One possible scenario is as follows: You are running Windows 98 on a 4-gigabyte (GB) drive. After you upgrade, for example to a 30-GB hard disk, you use a third-party disk-imaging utility to make a mirror image of your Windows 98 installation and apply the image to the new drive. At a later time, you then upgrade to Windows XP, installing Windows XP over the cloned image of Windows 98.

For this behavior to occur, the following conditions must exist:
The system/boot partition is formatted with the FAT32 file system.
The computer boots by using INT-13 extensions (a partition larger than 7.8 gigabytes with a System-ID type of 0C in the partition table).
Because of the cloning procedure, the Heads (sides) value in the FAT32 BIOS Parameter Block (BPB) does not match the geometry of the physical drive.
The Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me boot code ignores the Heads value in the BPB and starts those programs even though the value is invalid. However, the boot code in Windows 2000 and Windows XP needs this value, and the boot process does not succeed if the value is invalid.
ResolutionTo resolve this behavior, correct the invalid Heads (sides) value in the FAT32 BPB to enable the Windows XP boot process to continue. The easiest way to update the field is to rewrite the Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me boot code by using the following procedure:
Restart the computer by using a Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me startup disk that contains the Sys.com file (this file is included by default).
Make a backup copy of the msdos.sys file in the root directory of your system drive. To do this, type the following commands from the command prompt:
attrib -h -r -s c:\msdos.sys
rename msdos.sys *.ysy
At a command prompt, type sys c:. This command rewrites the Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me boot code with accurate BPB information. If this command runs successfully, skip to step 4.

If you are using a Windows Me startup disk and you receive an error message, "Cannot find the system file in the standard locations on drive C:", one or more files in the Windows Me installation have been removed. Use the following steps to place the correct files on the drive so that the sys command can locate them:
Start a command prompt by using the following commands (that is, type the commands and press ENTER after each command):
c:
cd\windows
If Windows is installed in a folder other than the Windows folder, adjust the commands accordingly.

Try to switch to the Command folder by using the following command:
cd command
If an error message indicates that the path is not found, use the following command to create the Command folder, and then run cd command again:
md command
Switch to the EBD folder by using the following command:
cd ebd
If an error message indicates that the path is not found, use the following command to create the EBD folder, and then repeat the cd ebd command:
md ebd
In the EBD folder, use the following commands to copy the Io.sys file from the root of the hard drive and to rename the Io.sys file as Winboot.sys:
attrib -s -h -r c:\io.sys
copy c:\io.sys winboot.sys
Winboot.sys is the file that Sys.com needs.

Switch back to drive A, and then run the following commands:
a:
sys c:
Type the following commands, and press ENTER after each command, to restore the original msdos.sys:
attrib -s -h -r c:\msdos.sys
copy c:\msdos.ysy c:\msdos.sys
Press Y to overwrite the existing MSDOS.SYS file. You should receive a "1 FILE(S) COPIED" verification that the file was overwritten.

Restart the computer to Windows 95, Windows 98, or Windows Me, and then try the Windows XP installation or upgrade procedure again.

bopdude

08-05-2005 15:42

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Just got back in, thanks for the replys, Rough, yep read some of that, wen't over the top but read my reply bellow about both HD's working

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

That means no working os found on that hdd,try a repair install maybe?

Thats the thing mate, it does have a working OS, as I said before, my HD will work in his machine and his will work on mine. Its all very confusing :confused: I think I'll format his again and re-install anyways, any more suggestions before I do :shrug:

zing_deleted

08-05-2005 22:04

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Is it trying to boot from the correct device? is hdd in the boot orders In bios? all i can think of is maybe its trying to boot off something thats not there

Rough.D

08-05-2005 22:32

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Bop download the fixntldr.zip from Here

Good luck

bopdude

09-05-2005 07:19

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

Is it trying to boot from the correct device? is hdd in the boot orders In bios? all i can think of is maybe its trying to boot off something thats not there

Thanks Zingle, tried having hd and cd rom as primary boot but did not make a difference

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rough.D

Bop download the fixntldr.zip from Here

Good luck

Cheers mate, don't think I'll be needing it because..................

Out of frustration I tried *cough, a copy ;) I had about the place and lo and behold, it booted and installed :shrug: now I'm gonna try this and that and see if I can activate it.
I'll let you all know, thanks for the help so far :tu:

zing_deleted

09-05-2005 08:18

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

so the copy wasnt corp? most copies about are corp and don't need activation,but cough slap your legs you naughty boy :LOL:

bopdude

09-05-2005 08:31

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so the copy wasnt corp? most copies about are corp and don't need activation,but cough slap your legs you naughty boy :LOL:

I don't know what was on this disk mate, just going onto the M$ site now, posting from their pc to boot ;) hopefully be back in 5 with an update :tu:

bopdude

09-05-2005 09:39

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Validation failed :( thought it might .......... back to the drawing board or other boards *cough/splutter/choke ;)

bopdude

15-05-2005 08:37

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

OK, update time.

I had a brain wave :dozey: I put my HD in the pc and fired it up, of course Windows detected a different setup and wanted validation and what not, I phoned the hotline and explained, I got a new validation key and everything was fine.
1) I managed to load to desktop
2) I thought I'd try a restore to an ealier date.... big mistake, now it wont boot at all past the initial post, all I can get to is the F8 options window, you know the one with
start windows normally / safe mode / blah blah.

I have a system restore disk for that version of windows and it won't even detect it .................. so help again please.
TIA

Paul K

15-05-2005 08:45

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Can you get it into safe mode and check to make sure you have the right drivers loaded for the totally different hardware that it now is running on? Also try dropping your graphics card settings to bog standard VGA mode, with 800x600 resolution and 60hz refresh.
Sometimes booting into safe mode and then restarting normally helps to repair files/ settings that are fubared.
If that fails boot from your XP CD (copy if necessary) do a repair install and remove the windows folder option.

bopdude

15-05-2005 08:52

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Thanks Paul, I can't get into anything, no matter what option I choose it just reboots back to the F8 screen.

Paul K

15-05-2005 08:54

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Sounds like a repair install (remove windows folder) is the best bet then :( Will clean out all settings, start with fresh drivers etc but won't delete documents and files that are stored outside of the windows folder itself.

bopdude

15-05-2005 09:00

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

And how would I do that ?? I have a restore disk only so a format is out, I did manage to boot to the disk once or twice but before I could click on anything I got an error screen, I can't remember what it said and at the mo can't get it back. I'll change the boot order to see if that helps.

BRB .... thanks
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Changed the order and with the restore disk in this is what happens.
Boots to dik as said before then the error page reads
Unable to determine BIOS lock, please contact system manufacturer

Paul K

15-05-2005 09:05

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Can you not acquire a copy of XP from somewhere?
Did you do a system restore on the PC with the hard-drive that you had taken from another computer? That's a good way to screw the registry up lol.
Can you get into a DOS prompt at all? You might be able to work around some of the problems that way. What is the restore CD for? Is it the PC that is currently buggered?

bopdude

15-05-2005 09:15

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Can you not acquire a copy of XP from somewhere?

Have done / am doing ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Did you do a system restore on the PC with the hard-drive that you had taken from another computer? That's a good way to screw the registry up lol.

I tried to do a restore but that is when these problems started, I think I see where your coming from, system has tried to restore back to old settings that it can't find anymore :dozey:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Can you get into a DOS prompt at all? You might be able to work around some of the problems that way.

I think I can get a dos prompt up :tu:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

What is the restore CD for?

All it does is restore back to factory settings, wipes all installs / data etc etc and your left with a virgin install of XP home .... or should be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Is it the PC that is currently buggered?

I don't understand your question :shrug: The HD is / was ok, the pc should be ok, but now the 2 have been put together, they don't like each other .lol

Paul K

15-05-2005 09:18

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Changed the order and with the restore disk in this is what happens.
Boots to dik as said before then the error page reads
Unable to determine BIOS lock, please contact system manufacturer

Sounds like the Restore CD is expecting to see certain hardware for it to work and since it isn't seeing the hardware it is designed to restore it's failling to startup.
Sorry was trying to ask if that Restore CD was for the PC you are trying to load it onto ;)
Have you got a Product Key for XP, if so you should just need a copy of the correct XP for the key :)

bopdude

15-05-2005 09:22

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I see what you mean, the restore cd is for the pc that the hd came out of, so by what your saying it needs to see all the hardware as was to restore, makes sense now.
I have a product code yes, how would I match that up with the right version when I cant load windows :shrug:

Paul K

15-05-2005 09:35

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

You would need to get the same version of XP that was installed on the PC fresh from factory. Therefor if it came with XP Home installed then you need a copy of XP Home. If it was XP Home Sp2 then you need XP Home SP2 :)

bopdude

15-05-2005 09:36

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I see, check pm's mate, thanks for trying to help this :dunce: :D

Paul K

15-05-2005 09:39

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I see, check pm's mate, thanks for trying to help this :dunce: :D

Already read the PMs, should work without a hitch as long as you make sure you have the drivers you need :)

bopdude

15-05-2005 10:02

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

I see, check pm's mate, thanks for trying to help this :dunce: :D

Already read the PMs, should work without a hitch as long as you make sure you have the drivers you need :)

Just formatted an old HD, I'll let you know .... BRB
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Formatted and am installing Win '98, not ideal but it gets the pc outta my dinning room and into their house, the XP side I'll sort at a later date, thanks to all that have posted in this ongoing nightmare :tu:

Paul K

15-05-2005 10:10

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Formatted and am installing Win '98, not ideal but it gets the pc outta my dinning room and into their house, the XP side I'll sort at a later date, thanks to all that have posted in this ongoing nightmare :tu:

Should be fine when you get hold of a proper XP CD, the only thing causing the problem at the moment is the fact that you only have a restore CD that no doubt has been butchered by the manufacturer to make sure it can only be used on a specified sytem.

bopdude

15-05-2005 11:23

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Ok, '98 installed but I can't access the net, whenever I try and open explorer I get an error which says

MSOOBE caused an invalid page fault in module <unknown> at 0000:00000009.

Any ideas :shrug:
TIA
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Looking around it seems that msoobe is something to do with Win XP activation, WTF has that to do with this '98 install :shrug:

Paul K

15-05-2005 12:23

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...3bb8a794af3aac
Have you tried a repair of Internet Explorer or maybe download and install the newest one that 98 can handle?

bopdude

15-05-2005 12:35

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...3bb8a794af3aac
Have you tried a repair of Internet Explorer or maybe download and install the newest one that 98 can handle?

Tried one of the links.... this one
Use the Msoobe.exe Utility

1.Click Start, and then click Run.2.In the Open box, type the following line, and then click OK. c:\windows\system\oobe\msoobe.exe /x
Follow the instructions on your screen to complete the MSN Internet Access wizard.

Got the same error message :( can't do anything right today .. lol, how did you get this from msoobe, when I searched it gave the xp thing as per previous post. 'kin pc's, anywho, gotta go out just now so I will check back later. Thanks again :tu:

Paul K

15-05-2005 12:50

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...3bb8a794af3aac
Have you tried a repair of Internet Explorer or maybe download and install the newest one that 98 can handle?

I put the entire error message in and searched through newsgroups too ;) Will keep looking in case there is anything else. Was it a clean format and install onto the hard drive or could there have been files still left on there? I'm thinking something corrupted on install, I'd try a new install of
IE and see what happens.
Was that the full error message that occurs?
I think that file is linked to the MS Internet Connection Wizzard which always kicks in the first time you run IE after an install.
More bits here

bopdude

15-05-2005 18:56

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Thanks Paul, I'll post more on this later, sorry mate / kids, its MOHAA time .. lol :tu:

Paul K

15-05-2005 19:00

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Thanks Paul, I'll post more on this later, sorry mate / kids, its MOHAA time .. lol :tu:

Nice to see you don't mind depriving your kids lol :p: Will check back later to see how things went.

Paul K

16-05-2005 10:59

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Did you get it sorted out in the end Bop?

bopdude

16-05-2005 11:04

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul

Did you get it sorted out in the end Bop?

Check pm's mate :tu:

bopdude

18-05-2005 10:51

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Update, all sorted out, ish, still got a slight problem on the scrolling, will check drivers etc etc / hardware.
Thanks to all for the help in this, what I can see as being an ongoing thread .. lol , kids ;)
And a big thanks Gareth

zing_deleted

18-05-2005 11:06

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

you need norton ghost,once you get it all sorted take an image onto cd's / dvd if there is a burner or on a spare hdd,then use it to restore in minutes

Paul K

18-05-2005 11:13

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by bopdude

Told you it would be easy once you got a CD lol :tu:

KingPhoenix

18-05-2005 12:23

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Bop.... did that disk not turn up or something??? :S

bopdude

18-05-2005 12:40

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Right all, display working fine now, once I tracked down the right driver, KP check pm's in a mo :tu:

KingPhoenix

19-05-2005 08:18

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

np.... i just couldnt be bothered to catch up with the thread :D

zing_deleted

19-05-2005 08:32

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

did you kick me from a game they other day kp whilst in disguise ??? :) (sorry bout it being off topic)

KingPhoenix

19-05-2005 12:18

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

did you kick me from a game they other day kp whilst in disguise ??? :) (sorry bout it being off topic)

Im in manchester, staying at a hotel.... how could i?:confused:

zing_deleted

19-05-2005 13:16

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingPhoenix

Im in manchester, staying at a hotel.... how could i?:confused:

I apoligise profusly ;)

Gareth

19-05-2005 13:36

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Does your other half know that you're at a hotel in Machester? :naughty:

KingPhoenix

20-05-2005 10:38

Re: Kids pc .....................again :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gareth

Does your other half know that you're at a hotel in Machester? :naughty:

:erm: :confused:

:D

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