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Ramrod 23-04-2005 15:28

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The British National Party has launched its general election manifesto with a call to abolish multi-culturalism.
Leader Nick Griffin also called for EU withdrawal, the restoration of capital punishment and an end to immigration.

He said British troops should be pulled out of Iraq and used to patrol Dover and the Channel Tunnel to keep out illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

And he pledged to introduce "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".

He said the main issue at this election was for the British to regain control of their own country.

Mr Griffin also wants the reintroduction of national service and said everyone who had undergone it should be required to keep a modern assault rifle at home.
"It's there to shoot burglars with if they want, it's there to shoot people who invade this country if they want, and if in the end a tyrannical government wants to usurp the rights and freedoms of the people it is there to use against the government as well," he said.
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Whilst that works in Switzerland, I really don't think it's a good idea here :disturbd:
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A brilliant mix of common sense and complete madness :D

Chimaera 23-04-2005 15:28

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A modern assault rifle? Oooohh, that will look lovely on the mantelpiece next to my baseball bat! :rolleyes:
What are they thinking of? :disturbd:

Ramrod 23-04-2005 15:29

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Originally Posted by Chimaera
A modern assault rifle? Oooohh, that will look lovely on the mantelpiece next to my baseball bat! :rolleyes:
What are they thinking of? :disturbd:

I know, I heard it on the news in the car and I thought I was imagining things :D


.....on the other hand, thats what the Swiss do..... :scratch:

budwieser 23-04-2005 15:33

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Hmmmm, A right can of worms this could turn into!

Certain things mentioned that a lot of people will agree with but are too afraid to admit to agree with, and some other things that just can`t happen.:erm:

andyl 23-04-2005 15:40

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Usual knee-jerk nonsense from the BNP. I hear they want to ban curry from school dinner menus too.

Racist nutters, through and through.

punky 23-04-2005 15:46

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End to multi-culturalism?

That's funny considering on there PPB the other day, they had 1 black person, and 1 asian who said they'll vote BNP.

National service: yeah that'll win the young people over, wouldn't it? And an army of conscripts is effective, is it?

The Swiss have years responsibly gun ownership behind them, back when the human race wasn't full of so many f**k-ups, so they can have that law and not kill each other. If they made gun ownership mandatory, and gave guns to everyone, then I don't think i'd go out, or sleep well at night, again.

And it would be voluntary for immigrants to return home? It is now, so I don't think that will make a whole lot of difference, despite these "incentives" which I would like to know more about.

I don't even agree with the EU policy. I want us to remain in the EU, but keep the pound, and more importantly, keep our own leaders, government and laws.

I thought the BNP wanted to establish themselves as a sensible. responsible party. They have forgotten all about that then.
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I hear they want to ban curry from school dinner menus too.

Didn't we invent the Tikka Masala? I seem to remember hearing that an English person invented with indian spices? How can they ban curry... Its so nice..

Ramrod 23-04-2005 15:49

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Originally Posted by punky
I thought the BNP wanted to establish themselves as a sensible. responsible party. They have forgotten all about that then.

Sums it up nicely :D

Tuftus 23-04-2005 16:36

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Where and when do I get my SA80 or M16???

:rolleyes:

Chimaera 23-04-2005 16:37

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Originally Posted by Tuftus
Where and when do I get my SA80 or M16???

:rolleyes:

In the queue behind me! ;)

Tuftus 23-04-2005 16:40

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In the queue behind me! ;)

:D

Damien 23-04-2005 17:13

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On the bright side that rifle could be used to ward off BNP party workers should they knock on your door

BBKing 23-04-2005 18:05

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Hmm, would this be a nasty, greasy, foreign, asylum seeking Eastern European AK-47 or a stout, British, jammed, SA-80? Given that it's ludicrous to expect people to defend their home with an assault weapon (a handgun would be far more feasible, unless you live on a large country estate where you can engage Burglar Bill at long range without taking out your neighbours) I'm not sure it matters. Loonies.

Not heard the ban curry idea, but British curries aren't remotely Indian anyway (ask an Indian, a large number of whom are vegetarian anyway). It's a dish tailored to British tastes, just as much as egg, sausage and chips is. I like both, and don't particularly want my dinner table edited by fascists.

Firm, but voluntary? Sounds like Labours 'voluntary' ID cards to me. Would leave the current England cricket, football and rugby teams a little shorn (bye bye Campbell, Cole, Ferdinand, Defoe, Solanki, Butcher, Pietersen, Ali, Jason Robinson....).

bmxbandit 23-04-2005 18:35

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"firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home"
traced back far enough, how many people's descendants aren't immigrants? you'd have to kick out the royals, for starters...

utterly laughable...this is why they don't get voted for.

Tezcatlipoca 23-04-2005 18:41

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this is why they don't get voted for.

The sad thing is that some clueless fools *do* vote for them. OK, they don't have a chance of getting any seats in Westminster, but they do have council seats...:(

Escapee 23-04-2005 19:10

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Originally Posted by punky
End to multi-culturalism?

That's funny considering on there PPB the other day, they had 1 black person, and 1 asian who said they'll vote BNP.
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In my experience, just because a person is black or asian it doesn't mean they disagree with stopping illegal immigrants, assylum seekers or any other scroungers coming into this country.

Many people of foreign nationality legally working in this country, who followed the rules also feel the same as us nasty white racists. :rolleyes:

allieyoung666 23-04-2005 20:03

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Oh ****, I am half italian, pole and my grandfather comes from The chech republic. I think I should pack my bags now!!!!! I like the idea of the machine gun. Make mine a SA80 as we used one once in the TA nice bit of kit.
What has this guy been smoking hash???

Tezcatlipoca 23-04-2005 20:14

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Also, the BNP doesn't "just" want to stop immigration...they also want to get rid of all non-British people already here (which - according to them - includes all non-white people - even if born here, even if their parents & grandparents were born here).


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I can't be bothered to go over all the BNP stuff yet again, so here's a link to a previous post: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...2&postcount=69

From this thread: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...ad.php?t=12784

Paul 23-04-2005 20:42

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/puts hand up for his M16. :)

BBKing 23-04-2005 20:53

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they also want to get rid of all non-British people already here
It occurs to me that I'm half-Irish - this presumably makes me (in the monocular vision of the BNP) a bog-trotting left-foot-kicking un-British terrorist and therefore eligible for a handout in order to get out of Britain. Something along the lines of an agreeable town-house in Dublin* would do nicely. I'll put it to the BNP if they come knocking. Money well spent, I can assure them, to have someone as undesirable as me out of the country.

*Near the Guinness Brewery would be nice but I'm not fussy.

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assylum seekers or any other scroungers
Asylum seekers != scroungers, Kevin. I'm surprised at someone normally as thoughtful as yourself making this Daily Mail Island type of error.

Tezcatlipoca 23-04-2005 20:57

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Originally Posted by BBKing
It occurs to me that I'm half-Irish - this presumably makes me (in the monocular vision of the BNP) a bog-trotting left-foot-kicking un-British terrorist and therefore eligible for a handout in order to get out of Britain. Something along the lines of an agreeable town-house in Dublin* would do nicely. I'll put it to the BNP if they come knocking. Money well spent, I can assure them, to have someone as undesirable as me out of the country.


Ah, but being Irish is OK by the BNP (presumably 'cos you're still white), so no resettlement for you if they come to power.

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Originally Posted by BNP
When we in the BNP talk about being British, we talk about the native peoples who have lived in these islands since before the Stone Age, and the relatively small numbers of peoples of almost identical stock, such as the Saxons, Vikings and Normans, and the Irish, who have come here and assimilated.


Maggy 23-04-2005 21:12

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Well I've been teaching politics to year 10 this past week..All of them just laughed at the BNP's policies especially the chinese,ukrainian,polish,asian,turkish and other ethnic minority students..

Mind they also jeered labour,tories,liberals,greens and UKIP.


The majority decided they wanted The Monster Raving Loony Party. :D

Those that are going to vote when they are 18 that is... ;)

danielf 23-04-2005 22:13

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I think an assault rifle might come in very handy if someone were to come to my door canvassing for the BNP :sniper: :upyours:

Damien 23-04-2005 22:28

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Originally Posted by danielf
I think an assault rifle might come in very handy if someone were to come to my door canvassing for the BNP :sniper: :upyours:


Hey, Thats what i said eariler. Well to that effect anyway :disturbd:

danielf 23-04-2005 22:30

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Hey, Thats what i said eariler. Well to that effect anyway :disturbd:

Oops. So you have... Sorry, I missed that one. Anyway, great minds think alike I suppose :)

Damien 23-04-2005 22:31

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Oops. So you have... Sorry, I missed that one. Anyway, great minds think alike I suppose :)

I concur! We are both card carrying members of the Genius National Party

andyl 23-04-2005 22:31

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Hey, Thats what i said eariler. Well to that effect anyway :disturbd:

C'mon now, we're "liberals"! We don't advocate violence. We win through the power of argument. Only this week I enlightened local BNP leafleters with my thoughts: 'F**k off you racist tw*ts.' I think they appreciated my contribution to the political debate.

Damien 23-04-2005 22:35

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Originally Posted by andyl
C'mon now, we're "liberals"! We don't advocate violence. We win through the power of argument. Only this week I enlightened local BNP leafleters with my thoughts: 'F**k off you racist tw*ts.' I think they appreciated my contribution to the political debate.

Yeah but along with my membership with the GNP (Genius national party), LFP (Liberal fanatic party) i may join the string em up! Club

andyl 23-04-2005 22:37

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Yeah but along with my membership with the GNP (Genius national party), LFP (Liberal fanatic party) i may join the string em up! Club

Well if you're that minded you'll have to hang 'em and flog 'em first surely? Before deporting them just in case there's some African or Asian DNA lurking.

Damien 23-04-2005 22:40

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Well if you're that minded you'll have to hang 'em and flog 'em first surely? Before deporting them just in case there's some African or Asian DNA lurking.

No, we dont belive in that in the sting em up club. I am gonna sit there with a sniper rifle at the docks and shoot anyone who i dont like the look of.

Theres another one....BANG, and another one, BANG, on theres a traveller over there, BANG, I dont know who he is but i am sure he is jerk in someway BANG

danielf 23-04-2005 22:40

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Originally Posted by andyl
C'mon now, we're "liberals"! We don't advocate violence. We win through the power of argument. Only this week I enlightened local BNP leafleters with my thoughts: 'F**k off you racist tw*ts.' I think they appreciated my contribution to the political debate.

I would imagine they thought your contribution was thought provoking, convincing, and exceptionally subtle and even-handed.

andyl 23-04-2005 22:43

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I would imagine they thought your contribution was thought provoking, convincing, and exceptionally subtle and even-handed.

I like to feel they took on board the support I gave to the democratic process.

By the time they left I was feeling so benevolent I offered them some plasters for the nasty grazes on their knuckles.

Elections certainly do bring us all together.

Xaccers 23-04-2005 22:44

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ooo can I have a real MP5 then? Might be a bit messy if I take the wrong one to my next airsoft skirmish!
Oh hang on, it's made by the Germans, doubt I'll be allowed it, but hang on, wasn't the SA80 range of guns "fixed" by the German H&K?
I don't want to have an american armalite!
Hmm, wonder if I'd be allowed to have an american built M8 even though it's german designed...

Do the BNP members not realise just how stupid they sound?
Can we not sue them for defermation of charactor as their policies and party beliefs are certainly not British?
Would national service actually be a good thing, I've often wondered, but being too young to have any experience I don't know. Looking at other countries it seems to work where there is national pride, but where there isn't, it's quite a joke.

NitroNutter 23-04-2005 23:19

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Oops. So you have... Sorry, I missed that one. Anyway, great minds think alike I suppose :)

Or could it be "fools seldom differ" :P

danielf 23-04-2005 23:27

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Or could it be "fools seldom differ" :P

Possibly, but it would be hard to examine the extent of our foolishness, unless you were willing to divulge a little.

NitroNutter 23-04-2005 23:49

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Possibly, but it would be hard to examine the extent of our foolishness, unless you were willing to divulge a little.

Well to get the gun doesnt just intail standing in a que, first you need to vote BNP, then if your not of an age to be conscripted to national service you would have to do national service voluntarily, and once youve completed that service you would then have the right to the gun for domestic living.
Now you can threaten BNP door knockers at will ;)

jtwn 24-04-2005 00:09

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Mr Griffin also wants the reintroduction of national service...

....and if in the end a tyrannical government wants to usurp the rights and freedoms of the people
Do they not proof read these things? :D

danielf 24-04-2005 00:17

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Well to get the gun doesnt just intail standing in a que, first you need to vote BNP, then if your not of an age to be conscripted to national service you would have to do national service voluntarily, and once youve completed that service you would then have the right to the gun for domestic living.
Now you can threaten BNP door knockers at will ;)

Ah, that's me buggered then. I can't vote in this country (bar local elections) due to me being a bloody foreigner. I will just have to take a baseball bat* to the guys (I'm sure they will appreciate the style of reasoning)

* strike that (sic) A cricket bat would be more in line with local custom.

BBKing 24-04-2005 08:18

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Do they not proof read these things?
Shh - I like the idea that their manifesto says we're allowed to shoot them.

Escapee 24-04-2005 09:16

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Asylum seekers != scroungers, Kevin. I'm surprised at someone normally as thoughtful as yourself making this Daily Mail Island type of error.

I am making the point that foreign workers who have gone through the correct red tape channels, often feel cheated by the ones who are slipping through the back door...(or should I say port)

My currect GF is a "bl**dy foreigner" (my little joke with her), and her feelings along with many of her foreign freinds are the same on this subject. They are annoyed because they had to complete conversion training in their own country for their profession before they were allowed in this country, so hard as it may seem to some her and her friends agree with stopping foreigners coming in here under different terms.

I was at a house party on Friday night, with the majority of attendees being foreign. (another barbecue with rice) I admit that I did feel uncomfortable when the guys were talking about this very subject, but they rightly do not consider themselves to be scrounging foreigners because they are here at the countries request and needs. One of them is a priest back in his home country and you can imagine what our discussion was like. :D

BBKing 24-04-2005 09:46

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All very well, but irrelevant, since your other half and friends aren't asylum seekers but, essentially, economic migrants* (the economy in question being our own, which has deficiencies in skills in certain areas). Ditto my grandad coming from Ireland to work in the Midlands metals industry - he got paid more, they filled a vacancy.

'Asylum seeker', before the unfair and prejudiced demonisation in the right-wing tabloids over the last few years, means 'someone seeking a safe place to live'. That some people choose to *masquerade* as asylum seekers is undeniable (and the point of the asylum system should be to categorise people as one or the other, and kick the latter out). There are many examples of people starting off as (legitimate) asylum seekers and becoming net contributors to society - every East African Asian I've ever met, for instance (they either drive BMWs or Saabs, in my experience). That's to be admired and celebrated, I think.

Lazily repeating the line that 'all asylum seekers are scroungers' does not move the debate on into a realm of honesty, but merely keeps it in the gutter where the Daily Mail, Express and Sun operate. Hence me pulling you up on it.

*Who vastly outnumber the asylum seekers, and are in turn vastly outnumbered by the number of students coming here from abroad to study (320,000 per year, I heard).

Escapee 24-04-2005 10:31

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All very well, but irrelevant, since your other half and friends aren't asylum seekers but, essentially, economic migrants* (the economy in question being our own, which has deficiencies in skills in certain areas). Ditto my grandad coming from Ireland to work in the Midlands metals industry - he got paid more, they filled a vacancy.

'Asylum seeker', before the unfair and prejudiced demonisation in the right-wing tabloids over the last few years, means 'someone seeking a safe place to live'. That some people choose to *masquerade* as asylum seekers is undeniable (and the point of the asylum system should be to categorise people as one or the other, and kick the latter out). There are many examples of people starting off as (legitimate) asylum seekers and becoming net contributors to society - every East African Asian I've ever met, for instance (they either drive BMWs or Saabs, in my experience). That's to be admired and celebrated, I think.

Lazily repeating the line that 'all asylum seekers are scroungers' does not move the debate on into a realm of honesty, but merely keeps it in the gutter where the Daily Mail, Express and Sun operate. Hence me pulling you up on it.

*Who vastly outnumber the asylum seekers, and are in turn vastly outnumbered by the number of students coming here from abroad to study (320,000 per year, I heard).

Well I'm an economic migrant as well, cos I go over the border into England where theres better money on offer! :D

To pick up on your last line.

I have only experience of one foreign student, and she was paying around 10K a term for her course but I guess thats not considered in many arguments when raised.

The reason why we are inviting foreigners in to work with open arms, in relatively well paid jobs is the succession of governments who have ruined those careers. We have ended up with a situation where there are certain career paths that used to be aspired to, and are now avoided. We must lay the blame at the current and former government for our situation.

I would never say "all" asylum seekers are scroungers, but the very nature of people arriving in this country with no documentation and saying they come from country xyz has proved difficult to police. I accept there have been genuine people fleeing these countries to save their lives and their families, however they should be returned when the country is safe.

BBKing 25-04-2005 10:08

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however they should be returned when the country is safe.
Even if they're contributing to British society by then? If they have children born here? By this policy, all the East African Asians who fled Idi Amin's racist purges should be returned now he's thankfully pushing up the daisies. I doubt this would be a good idea.

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The reason why we are inviting foreigners in to work with open arms, in relatively well paid jobs is the succession of governments who have ruined those careers.
This I do agree with - also things like an ageing population having more patients/fewer doctors and daft things like 'parent power' in schools making teachers' lives more difficult. It's highly damaging to things like fighting AIDS in Africa to nick all their doctors, too, which isn't often mentioned.

Angua 25-04-2005 10:36

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What would we do with our aging population without the immigrants?

Xaccers 25-04-2005 15:06

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What would we do with our aging population without the immigrants?


Well, we could put the assault rifles to use....

Oh come on! It's only as extreme and ridiculous as the other BNP ideas :D


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