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Hom3r 30-03-2005 11:47
Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
Hooray for Jamie Oliver,

He's managed to get more money for kids dinners, now we need to educate the kids and there parents.

I'm watching the rerun of 'Jamie's School Dinners', it made me mad, all kids wanting to eat c**p.

punky 30-03-2005 11:48
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Blimey, with all the gifts from Tony lately, you'd think that there was an election coming up!

Hom3r 30-03-2005 11:51
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All we need to do now is wait for the runners up (Tories) to say what they would do

Chris 30-03-2005 11:56
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
A small edit to the thread title to clarify things a little ... :)

Well done to him, I say. I don't believe for one moment that that slimy bean-counter of an education secretary had any intentions of doing anything about this. What a coincidence that the big giveaway coincides with the presentation of a massive petition and the climax of Jamie's campaign.

punky 30-03-2005 11:59
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Yeah, its endearing to think people can still influence policy and make a difference.

If there wasn't an election coming up, would Jamie still have had the success? I doubt it.

Graham 30-03-2005 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by punky
Blimey, with all the gifts from Tony lately, you'd think that there was an election coming up!
No! Really?! :D

Caspar 30-03-2005 14:06
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Originally Posted by Chris T
... climax of Jamie's campaign.
...so that how he fed each child on only 37p! :erm: ...don't eat the creamy soup kids! :Yikes: :D

Nugget 30-03-2005 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caspar
...so that how he fed each child on only 37p! :erm: ...don't eat the creamy soup kids! :Yikes: :D
:sick:

Wonder if they still serve semolina and tapioca as well ;)

ian@huth 30-03-2005 14:24
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Originally Posted by Nugget
:sick:

Wonder if they still serve semolina and tapioca as well ;)
Or chicken nuggets, Nugget? I like the dictionary definition of "nugget" - a small solid lump. ;)

punky 30-03-2005 14:25
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Originally Posted by ian@huth
I like the dictionary definition of "nugget" - a small solid lump. ;)
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! :ninja: :)

Nugget 30-03-2005 14:27
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Originally Posted by ian@huth
Or chicken nuggets, Nugget? I like the dictionary definition of "nugget" - a small solid lump. ;)
Oi! Who're you calling small?

:p:

ian@huth 30-03-2005 14:50
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Originally Posted by Nugget
Oi! Who're you calling small?

:p:
<after checking how far Scunthorpe is from here> You calling me a whore? :ninja: :ninja:

Nugget 30-03-2005 14:54
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Originally Posted by ian@huth
<after checking how far Scunthorpe is from here> You calling me a whore? :ninja: :ninja:
Pah! 60 miles? I'll be there at 6 tonight, no worries :ninja:


















Oh, I ... eerrrrrrrr ... that's it ... I appear to have lost my car keys, and they want me to work late, and I've got no petrol in the car anyway, and I've had a drink!

I'll get you next time, Huth boy ;) :D

Caspar 30-03-2005 15:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caspar
...so that how he fed each child on only 37p! :erm: ...don't eat the creamy soup kids! :Yikes: :D
I'm just think what Jamie Oliver would call his soup.... Cream of Olive soup! :Yikes: :p:

Flubflow 30-03-2005 15:45
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Ah, I see. The way to get government policies changed for the better is to get a high profile celebrity expert in the subject to make an "issue" of it in the form of a TV show that gets high ratings.

Any celebrity doctors,nurses or policemen, out there?

Hom3r 30-03-2005 16:06
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on Parkinson JO said that while school kids have 30p per day rapist child molesters get over 70pish per day

Chris 30-03-2005 16:10
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70 pish per day? That's a lot of pish. I though prison was s'posed to be cushy?

I'll get me coat ... :D

punky 30-03-2005 16:13
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Yeah, this must be a bit of a morale boost for the kids. I'd feel a bit cheap if people decided to spend more on food for convicted paedophiles and serial killers, than growing kids.

Caspar 30-03-2005 16:14
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Originally Posted by david.ewles
on Parkinson JO said that while school kids have 30p per day rapist child molesters get over 70pish per day
It's only cushy in prison after Big Max and Sisy Steven have pounded your bottom all night long!

/I'm staying right where I am. :)

Hom3r 30-03-2005 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris T
70 pish per day? That's a lot of pish. I though prison was s'posed to be cushy?

I'll get me coat ... :D
Don't pick up soap on the shower floor though

Chris 30-03-2005 16:18
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Originally Posted by punky
Yeah, this must be a bit of a morale boost for the kids. I'd feel a bit cheap if people decided to spend more on food for convicted paedophiles and serial killers, than growing kids.
The difference, of course, is that school meals are merely subsidised, whereas prisoners' meals have to be fully paid for, seeing as the prisoners have no means to contribute to the cost.

When you allow for the fact that school kids might contribute another £1 or more to the cost of the meal on their plate, what you realise is that at 70p a dish, it's prison food that is shockingly cheap.

Not that I don't think there is vast room for improvement in school dinners of course. It just shows how bald statistics might earn you a quick soundbite but often don't stand up to scrutiny.

Maggy 30-03-2005 16:42
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All I know is if you want your children to learn then they need to be eating a good balanced diet with as few food colourings and additives as possible.I frankly believe that a lot of behavioural problems in school might decrease IF we get the balance right. :tu:

andyl 30-03-2005 16:46
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
All I know is if you want your children to learn then they need to be eating a good balanced diet with as few food colourings and additives as possible.I frankly believe that a lot of behavioural problems in school might decrease IF we get the balance right. :tu:
I would agree. My eldest is getting excited about going to secondary school cos he think he can go on school dinners and have pizza every day. Poor lad doesn't know that dad's sticking to packed lunches, fully aware of the rubbish they serve in schools these days. The other thing that really got me about Jamie's Dinners was those plastic trays they served food in. Yuk! Could they not show the food some respect too?!

andygrif 30-03-2005 18:01
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1. I detest Jamie Oliver. He's a mediocre chef but is very good at marketing himself.

2. Every time he opens his loudhaler of a mouth I detest him more.

3. Sainsbuy's instilled these thoughts in my head, as if you can find a supermarket whose own brand food tastes of less I've never been there...so every Sainsbury's ad with him on makes me detest him more.

4. His restaurant Fifteen serves overpriced canteen food. I've been there, and I've been to better cafes. This made me detest him lots more, especially as I was paying....grrrr.

5. I do think his cause is EXTREMELY worthwhile. But it's not like he's doing it becuase he actually cares...after all his brats will be going to private school. So his hypocracy makes me detest him more.

6. I have a very large issue here with a government that will bow the pressure of a loudmouth mediocre self-marketing hypocritical cook (note the absence of the word chef...I can't bring myself to use it when talking about him).

There are millions of parents who are very concerned about the standard (or lack of) with school dinners. The fact is that prison food is more beneficial to a rounded diet and such points have been raised time and time again.

But one little runt comes along and forces the government to do a U-turn...and we all roll-over and say thank you? Never mind what the parents have been asking for...Tone's down with Jamie...largin' it at no. 10...stuff the rest of us.

So today's pathetic attention seeking and election win-buying antics make me detest Jamie Oliver AND New Labour MORE THAN EVER.......

Phew!

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Oh and by the way...listen carefully to Ruth Kelly's statement that only commits the spend for the next three years....after that you're on your own again. Unless St Jamie's still there to save us.

andyl 30-03-2005 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
1. I detest Jamie Oliver. He's a mediocre chef but is very good at marketing himself.

2. Every time he opens his loudhaler of a mouth I detest him more.

3. Sainsbuy's instilled these thoughts in my head, as if you can find a supermarket whose own brand food tastes of less I've never been there...so every Sainsbury's ad with him on makes me detest him more.

4. His restaurant Fifteen serves overpriced canteen food. I've been there, and I've been to better cafes. This made me detest him lots more, especially as I was paying....grrrr.

5. I do think his cause is EXTREMELY worthwhile. But it's not like he's doing it becuase he actually cares...after all his brats will be going to private school. So his hypocracy makes me detest him more.

6. I have a very large issue here with a government that will bow the pressure of a loudmouth mediocre self-marketing hypocritical cook (note the absence of the word chef...I can't bring myself to use it when talking about him).

There are millions of parents who are very concerned about the standard (or lack of) with school dinners. The fact is that prison food is more beneficial to a rounded diet and such points have been raised time and time again.

But one little runt comes along and forces the government to do a U-turn...and we all roll-over and say thank you? Never mind what the parents have been asking for...Tone's down with Jamie...largin' it at no. 10...stuff the rest of us.

So today's pathetric attention seeking and election win-buying antics make me detest Jamie Oliver AND New Labour MORE THAN EVER.......

Phew!

[/rant]

Oh and by the way...listen carefully to Ruth Kelly's statement that only commits the spend for the next three years....after that you're on your own again. Unless St Jamie's still there to save us.

Can't disagree with anything you say (although Mr Oliver did himself make a point on the programme that his kids will be going to private school, but that the issue of kids health generally was important), but he has used his celebrity to shame the Government into doing something. Other celebs do not use their influence quite so usefully. However, I've not forgiven him for those awful, awful Sainsbury's ads and would never dream of going to Fifteen. :) But, whilst Mr Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes, Mr Oliver makes quite good telly.

Caspar 30-03-2005 18:41
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Originally Posted by andyl
...Mr Oliver makes quite good telly.
...and soup! ;) :Yikes:

Monster Jedi 30-03-2005 18:51
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Originally Posted by Caspar
...and soup! ;) :Yikes:
But would he make a good Kebab with xtra mayo:D

andygrif 30-03-2005 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andyl
although Mr Oliver did himself make a point on the programme that his kids will be going to private school
Really? Blimey that was a good guess of mine! Just shows I know him better than I thought....

....and that makes me detest him more too... :LOL:

He couldn't care less what your children ate....if he's that much of a martyr why isn't he donating the fee from C4 to provide half a dozen extra dinner ladies? Oh and the book sales profits?

It's just a simple exercise in self-promotion and profiteering on someone elses misery.

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Originally Posted by andyl
But, whilst Mr Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes, Mr Oliver makes quite good telly.
C4 make quite good telly (not that I've seen any of them as I've been watching The Apprentice instead), Jamie Oliver just makes by skin crawl. :Yikes:

andyl 30-03-2005 21:47
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Actually I think Oliver does care.... either that or he's an exceptionally gifted actor.

But if he gets a result, who cares? ;)
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Really? Blimey that was a good guess of mine! Just shows I know him better than I thought....

....and that makes me detest him more too... :LOL:
EDIT: I think he had some very good PR advice for this programme. Criticism was anticipated.

andygrif 30-03-2005 22:54
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Maybe he does care...I notice it's on C4 late tonight..I might force myself to watch it so I can tell what I think...you lucky people.

The pain I put myself through for you

andyl 30-03-2005 22:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Maybe he does care...I notice it's on C4 late tonight..I might force myself to watch it so I can tell what I think...you lucky people.

The pain I put myself through for you
It is of course appreciated :) I'll join you in front of the tellybox (only seen bits so far). Meet for a critique tomorrow? ;)

Maggy 31-03-2005 01:13
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Originally Posted by andygrif
Really? Blimey that was a good guess of mine! Just shows I know him better than I thought....

....and that makes me detest him more too... :LOL:

He couldn't care less what your children ate....if he's that much of a martyr why isn't he donating the fee from C4 to provide half a dozen extra dinner ladies? Oh and the book sales profits?

It's just a simple exercise in self-promotion and profiteering on someone elses misery.



C4 make quite good telly (not that I've seen any of them as I've been watching The Apprentice instead), Jamie Oliver just makes by skin crawl. :Yikes:
I couldn't care less about whether you like him or not.IF he gets the kids to eat better and then they can learn better..The awful behaviour will become a thing of the past...Frankly I'm sick of teaching the kids AFTER they have eaten a lunch full of cr@p and preservatives and colourings and sugar.They are as high as kites and plain nasty.Anything that improves childrens learning gets my vote. :rolleyes:

goldoni 31-03-2005 09:05
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Please lets all remember who we have to thank for this mess †œThe Conservative PartyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â dear old Maggie Thatcher with her competitive tendering. Thankfully when I was a child we had a meat and two veg plus a pudding most days. Today it depends on who has the contract and profit for the company. So Good on him . :tu::tu:

andyl 31-03-2005 09:50
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Originally Posted by goldoni
Please lets all remember who we have to thank for this mess †œThe Conservative PartyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â dear old Maggie Thatcher with her competitive tendering. Thankfully when I was a child we had a meat and two veg plus a pudding most days. Today it depends on who has the contract and profit for the company. So Good on him . :tu::tu:

I'm thinking what you're thinking. (same story with hospitals. How hard is it to keep a hospital clean. Much harder since CCT and the influx of private cleaning companies).

(Ps Fellow Letchworthian, which school did you go too?)
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Maybe he does care...I notice it's on C4 late tonight..I might force myself to watch it so I can tell what I think...you lucky people.

The pain I put myself through for you

Ok, the review. Well, Nora is the obvious star. Credit to Oliver for crediting her. He remains v annoying though and I nearly fell off my settee when he sat his nipper on the kitchen surface, next to a bread knife, then turned his back on her. Health and safety Jamie! Lot of staging in the filming too. Oliver didn't come across as well as he had done in the snippet I'd seen of the previous episode but I'd still say he genuinely cares about this issue.

Evidence of the battle faced was the classic quote from the kid who when asked what he liked replied "anything cooked in grease".

Removal of choice was the lesson learned I guess. It ain't gonna be pretty!

Finally, great soundtrack. The mighty 22-20s, Franz Ferdinand etc. May I say pukka?! :)

SMHarman 31-03-2005 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andygrif
Oh and by the way...listen carefully to Ruth Kelly's statement that only commits the spend for the next three years....after that you're on your own again. Unless St Jamie's still there to save us.
...and 60M is to be spent on some new governement agency to monitor this and another element is for equipment and training so in the end how much of this is really on food?

I heard in the programme that prisoners get £2 a day not 70p a day spent on food.

andygrif 31-03-2005 09:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognitas
I couldn't care less about whether you like him or not.IF he gets the kids to eat better and then they can learn better..The awful behaviour will become a thing of the past...Frankly I'm sick of teaching the kids AFTER they have eaten a lunch full of cr@p and preservatives and colourings and sugar.They are as high as kites and plain nasty.Anything that improves childrens learning gets my vote. :rolleyes:
No and as I made very clear before, I do think the cause is extremely important. However the hypocracy of both Jamie Oliver AND more importantly the government makes me go cold.

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Originally Posted by goldoni
Please lets all remember who we have to thank for this mess †œThe Conservative PartyÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šà ¬Ã‚Â dear old Maggie Thatcher with her competitive tendering.
That's the biggest pile of drivel I've heard since Jamie Oliver last opened his mouth. We have had eight years of Labour rule, under which County Council grants have been continually slashed - which is what has been forcing up our Council Tax.

please bear in mind that Maggie Thatcher hasn't been in power for the last FIFTEEN YEARS, well over one generation of complete schooling.

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Originally Posted by andyl
It is of course appreciated :) I'll join you in front of the tellybox (only seen bits so far). Meet for a critique tomorrow? ;)
Well I did watch it...and it wasn't quite as bad as I thought....mostly becuase the naked one wasn't in it that much. Personally if it was just that cool Irish dinner lady Nora presenting it...i'd be glued...I think she's great!

As I said on the previous page and again above....this is a worthwhile cause. If I wanted to nit pick...and boy do I....I think Oliver's plans were too much too soon, as with all of his mediocre food it was too prissy...I feel it would have cuased fewer problems initially if he offered similar meals to what the brats were eating, but healthier.

Oh and the way in the first 10 mins of the programme where he refers to himself in the third person......arrrrrrrrrrgh....you annoying little !"£$ %^ ^%$%$£" $%£$%$ *(&*(^%$ £

Nugget 31-03-2005 09:57
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I think that people are going a bit overboard with their comparisons regarding what is spent on prison food. People appear not to be thinking about the fact that a prison has to provide more than 1 meal a day.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the amount spent on food in schools is pitiful and applaud anyone who can get it increased (and better food for the kids), but I tend to think that it's not a very good example.

Just my opinion, of course :)

andyl 31-03-2005 10:08
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Originally Posted by andygrif
No and as I made very clear before, I do think the cause is extremely important. However the hypocracy of both Jamie Oliver AND more importantly the government makes me go cold.
It is sad that it's taken a celebrity chef to get Governmrent action. Should have been a much higher priority.



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That's the biggest pile of drivel I've heard since Jamie Oliver last opened his mouth. We have had eight years of Labour rule, under which County Council grants have been continually slashed - which is what has been forcing up our Council Tax. please bear in mind that Maggie Thatcher hasn't been in power for the last FIFTEEN YEARS, well over one generation of complete schooling.
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As I say should have been a much higher priority but the problem ultimately began with the Milk Snatcher. And remember too that for two of those 8 years Labour had committed itself to Tory spending limits (as part of its attempt to win voter's trust. Probably unnecessary given the eventual result, but understandable.). And post Thatcher we had Major. There remains a lot of Tory work to be undone. I'd like to see the pace of change increased. Me I'd abolish Council Tax and institute the LDs local income tax (and 50% rate for that matter) but that is for another day


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Well I did watch it...and it wasn't quite as bad as I thought....mostly becuase the naked one wasn't in it that much. Personally if it was just that cool Irish dinner lady Nora presenting it...i'd be glued...I think she's great!
Agreed. A natural.

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As I said on the previous page and again above....this is a worthwhile cause. If I wanted to nit pick...and boy do I....I think Oliver's plans were too much too soon, as with all of his mediocre food it was too prissy...I feel it would have cuased fewer problems initially if he offered similar meals to what the brats were eating, but healthier.
Agreed again. He needs to empathise with kids more when developing recipes, especially the working class kids he was serving who will have a whole different understanding of 'rocket' than him.

andygrif 31-03-2005 10:10
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Originally Posted by andyl
I'm thinking what you're thinking. (same story with hospitals. How hard is it to keep a hospital clean. Much harder since CCT and the influx of private cleaning companies).
I know it's hard to spot the difference between the Labour Party and the Tories these days, but when will people realise that you can't really blame the Conservatives any more. Labour have had two very long terms to sort any problems they claim to have inherited out.

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Ok, the review. Well, Nora is the obvious star.
Granted....I'd like to see more her less Oliver. She's wonderful.

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Originally Posted by andyl
Oliver didn't come across as well as he had done in the snippet I'd seen of the previous episode but I'd still say he genuinely cares about this issue.
I'm still not convinced. Just as he saw Fifteen as a way of using disadvantaged kids to make him even more money...I think this is an exercise in making money Jamie Oliver Inc.

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Originally Posted by andyl
Evidence of the battle faced was the classic quote from the kid who when asked what he liked replied "anything cooked in grease".
That bit made me laugh...I think it was staged...but funny none the less.

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Originally Posted by andyl
Finally, great soundtrack. The mighty 22-20s, Franz Ferdinand etc. May I say pukka?! :)
No you may not. Never. Ever. ;)

andyl 31-03-2005 10:18
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Originally Posted by andygrif
I know it's hard to spot the difference between the Labour Party and the Tories these days, but when will people realise that you can't really blame the Conservatives any more. Labour have had two very long terms to sort any problems they claim to have inherited out.
We're in danger of veering into whole new off topic territory here. As I say Labour could and should have done more but there has been and remains a lot of work to be done. The Tories were in power for 18 years and undoing that does take time. The supertanker analogy applies I guess. But Labour's priorities have, to say the least, been peculiar and ensuring kids eat decent, nutritional food should have been right up near the top of the list.

Maggy 31-03-2005 10:41
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Originally Posted by andygrif


As I said on the previous page and again above....this is a worthwhile cause. If I wanted to nit pick...and boy do I....I think Oliver's plans were too much too soon, as with all of his mediocre food it was too prissy...I feel it would have cuased fewer problems initially if he offered similar meals to what the brats were eating, but healthier.
There is no similar food that is healthier...even oven chips are bad if you have them too often...My homemade burgers are good but not necessarily less fatty.Obesity is as much of a problem as is the effect of additives in food.They also need to increase fibre and vitamin and mineral intake for these kids..JO's offerings were fine.I watched last nights 'episode'.Seemed to me the kids made the transition just fine and were relatively happy.After all you can't please everyone all the time.If the take up is almost back to where it was before he took over then they are doing well.

Anyway what wouldn't you consider prissy food? :)

I wish he would come to our school...too much nursery food on offer in the staff room. :rolleyes:

andygrif 31-03-2005 11:26
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
There is no similar food that is healthier...even oven chips are bad if you have them too often
I didn't mention chips. I mentioned wedges, which you would brush with something like olive oil for cooking. Plus they'd have their jackets on which are high in fibre.

There is a plethora of similar food that can be healthier....I gave some examples earlier. If you'd like some recipies I'd be happy to oblidge. :)

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My homemade burgers are good but not necessarily less fatty.
My homemade burgers are legendary 'round these parts! Mine are also extremely low-fat...less than 5% in the patty. The reason for this is using lean steak, ground myself and no egg and/or oil. Some of this fat is drained during cooking, so I estimate that the patty contains only 2-3% fat...about the same as a skinless chicken breast.

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Anyway what wouldn't you consider prissy food? :)
I don't have a problem with prissy food if it's relevant. Having eaten in Olvier's restaurant I was hugely disapointed, having seriously eaten better in many pubs. Sure it was garnished well...but there was no substance. And that's exactly what Oliver is about...which is why he needs to head off on self-promotional exercises like School Dinners.

Still at least he's finally reached the place most suited to his talents now, maybe he'll leave the rest of us alone. ;)

Maggy 31-03-2005 11:32
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Oh well I still am thankful for anyone who can change the situation.I don't see anyone else doing anything.. :shrug: He's welcome to self promotion in my opinion.

Bye..

SMHarman 31-03-2005 12:35
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Originally Posted by andygrif
I don't have a problem with prissy food if it's relevant. Having eaten in Olvier's restaurant I was hugely disapointed, having seriously eaten better in many pubs. Sure it was garnished well...but there was no substance.
I'd have to agree that 15 was the most overpriced and dissapointing meal I have had in a good while - I think it was £60 a head for the taster menu + wine. Tasty, but not at all filling. Compared to similar meals elsewhere I was dissapointed. As were others at the table.

basa 31-03-2005 12:43
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Originally Posted by Incognitas
Oh well I still am thankful for anyone who can change the situation.I don't see anyone else doing anything.. :shrug: He's welcome to self promotion in my opinion.

Bye..
Amen to that Incog ................ JO is the only celeb chef (that I know of) who has used his status to promote a good cause. :erm:
The others only serve to promote them selves on such as Can't Cook, Won't Cook; Ready, Steady, Cook; etc ad nauseum. :rolleyes:
I hope he makes a bomb of cash for himself too. :p:

gazzae 31-03-2005 12:50
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Originally Posted by SMHarman
I'd have to agree that 15 was the most overpriced and dissapointing meal I have had in a good while - I think it was £60 a head for the taster menu + wine. Tasty, but not at all filling. Compared to similar meals elsewhere I was dissapointed. As were others at the table.
£60 a head? That is pricey for food cooked by "trainees"! The only time I've spent around £60 a head in a restaurant it was one with a Michelin Star.

SMHarman 31-03-2005 12:58
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£60 a head? That is pricey for food cooked by "trainees"! The only time I've spent around £60 a head in a restaurant it was one with a Michelin Star.
http://www.fifteenrestaurant.com/fif...rant/menu.html
Add £40 for the matched wine selection.

allieyoung666 31-03-2005 13:10
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Yeah but I bet it tastes nice when we go to the tontine which is owned by the Mc Coy brothers we easily spend double that and it is not even cooked by them! Trainees have to get experience from somehwere same as any trade!!!!

Tezcatlipoca 28-04-2005 22:48
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
Ooops........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...469502,00.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Guardian
Private deals block Jamie's school dinners

Felicity Lawrence and Katharine Quarmby
Monday April 25, 2005
The Guardian

The school meals revolution set in motion by celebrity chef Jamie Oliver has already run into difficulties as long-term contracts with private companies prevent schools getting rid of junk food.

The Guardian has learned that new schools locked into 25-year contracts through private finance initiatives are finding that they cannot rid their menus of junk food despite the government's pledge.

Other schools are also running into problems as they discover that they face substantial financial penalties if they try to opt out of long-running contracts with private catering companies.

(snip)

A campaign group in Merton, set up in the wake of the series on school meals, told the Guardian that its local educa tion authority has said that the six new PFI schools in the south London borough may be exempt from the new guidelines because of their contracts.

Most Merton secondary schools are locked into a 25-year PFI contract with a company called New Schools. It has subcontracted all services for 25 years to Atkins Asset Management. Atkins has subcontracted again, giving a 25-year catering contract for the schools to Scolarest catering.

Parents, governors and teachers have expressed dissatisfaction with the level of service and the quality of food provided by Scolarest.

There are some 450 PFI schools and many will be tied into similar long-term agreements to provide services.

(snip)

Good old PFI... :rolleyes:

Xaccers 28-04-2005 23:01
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt D
Ooops........

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...469502,00.html




Good old PFI... :rolleyes:

And you'd have thought the education secretary would have thought of that wouldn't you?
Or maybe she hoped people wouldn't notice...

BBKing 29-04-2005 18:05
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There's also the slight problem that not all schools have proper kitchens any more, only areas for heating up pre-processed rubbish.

PFI is an absolute scandal, incidentally, taking control of schools and hospitals out of the hands of government and into the hands of private companies who are free to sell it on to anyone, particularly foreign venture capitalists who have no interest in our health or education but know a bucket of free cash when the see it.

Maggy 29-04-2005 18:22
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
My initial reaction as a parent would be to go into school and plug the snack machines money slots with superglue... ;)

Xaccers 30-04-2005 09:42
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
So labour have been thinking about this for ages and ages eh?
Why don't I believe that?

Maggy 30-04-2005 16:25
Re: Jamie (Oliver)'s School Dinners
 
We have known as a community that junk food is bad for children.There have been any of studies done where children's behaviour(and prisoner's) have improved considerably.So much so that I know several sets of parents who decided to remove as much junk food and E additives from their childrens diets and swore that it made a profound difference.IN fact one friend of my son's could never have crisps,coke,or anything that contained E additives or sugar because he became a monster..I can say that when he did have them he did become high as a kite.The school certainly knew the effect it had on him.Even my daughter decided to voluntarily cut her coke cola intake because she found she got too giggly and silly after drinking it.

So I think it is time that we stood up to big business about this..I'm positive if parents use their power as consumers to insist that they provide healthier food in school they can win.Nestle could attest to the effect of consumer power.So can Barclays who were forced by customers changing allegiance to rethink their presence in South Africa during the aparthied years.We the customer/consumer SHOULD have the power to change things.All we need is the will. :)


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