Breastfeeding bill ~ can you help?
 

Hiya,

Forgive for the short and sweet intro ;) .

I am Claire, age 23, a student midwife, who was directed to this site to gain some signatures for a petition. (thanks paul x )

The petition is to have the Scottish breastfeeding bill extended to cover the rest of the UK.

I am involved with WWW.THEWAYNATUREINTENDED.ORG who are a group of midwives, mums and student midwives who are campaigning for our breastfeeding clients to have equal rights with bottle feeding ones.

If you support us please sign our petition (it's available through the website above)

Cheers for your time

Claire X

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Just to confirm that this thread is not spam and has been approved before being allowed to post.

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can i argue in this thread ? well i would just like to say that its utterly preposterous that breastfeeding public should be banned, its such a natural thing its like banning natural birth :erm: :Yikes:

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Sure it's a free world......i agree with you completely!!!

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lol, i just realised my spelling mistake and sentence construction went walk about, let me rephrase that:

can i argue in this thread ? well i would just like to say that its utterly preposterous that breastfeeding in public should be banned, its such a natural thing its like banning natural birth

tis better :D

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Natural birth in public?

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I work in healthcare as you all know by now and I do not have a problem with women breastfeeding, how else would you lot have been fed before forumla was invented!!!!

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Don't know what you mean :angel:
Glad you finally made it over, told you the team are good at allowing debates like this ;)
Oh and can I just say that I'm all for women being allowed to get their breasts out in public (for feeding purposes of course ;) ) and that I would be more than happy to support anyone that did so. I'm sure I'm not the only person here who would be more than happy to lend a hand in this situation :D :angel:

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we will help were it is a good cause!!!!

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Formula.........pah! Evil ****e! :mad:

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I saw the post heading, and was about to reply and say it's bill's mum's responsibility...

really though, it's perfectly natural, but then so's taking a ****. Even farting's socially unacceptable, and that's pretty much uncontrollable. Everywhere should have facilities, but actually whipping it out IN public, that's dodgy ground.

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Signed... :D I agree women should allowed to breastfeed in public. Anyone who objects doesn't have to watch..

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Done--for both my wife and myself :tu: :)
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Facilities cost money and very often the space can't be magicked up for them either :dozey:

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no, if you read my sentence i put natural birth, some opt to use cesarean, however i do understand if some women have to use that option for medical reasons.

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Just added my sig. :D

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:tu: Signed!;)

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Was that another spelling mistake kronas :naughty: ?

:welcome: to CF lubes :D

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indeed, so don't use these places. It's simple. A lot of places don't have facilities for disabled access either. Choose where to go. Some places are mother-friendly, some aren't.

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Or maybe those who don't like to see breastfeeding can ignore it, or not go to places where it happens?

Interesting you bring up the point about places not having disabled access. This is now illegal.

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no tit wasent ;)

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Depends on the place, really.

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Ok...some facts about the scottish breastfeeding bill and breastfeeding in general.

• It is now illegal only to "stop" breastfeeding in places that have previously allowed it.
• Richard Page (MP, Conservative) Hertfordshire. :(

"I do not believe that breast feeding in public is both acceptable or indeed necessary. There were one or two Labour MP's who tried to argue that breast feeding should be allowed in the chamber of the House of Commons and thank heavens that was promptly squashed.", Richard Page MP

• It is estimated that 50% of breastfeeding mum do not feed their baby in public because of the "stigma".
• "baby cafes" are supported to give mums a support centre and to promote breastfeeding.
• Breastfeeding is full of active cells that fight infection and antibodies to protect the baby.
• Advntages to mum...reduced risk of cancer and less risk of bone damage and fractures
• babys advantages...less chance of getting...gastro-intestinal infections, respiratory infections, necrotising enterocolitis, urinary tract infections, ear infections, allergic disease (eczema, asthma and wheezing) and insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus.

Claire X
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Why? If people don't like the sight of a breast, they can ignore it wherever it is.

I'll admit, going somewhere else is not always an option (for instance, if you are waiting to see a NHS GP, then you can't go to another Doctor purely because the woman in front of you is breastfeeding).

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Where's that mammo-phobe SDA? ;)

signed by the way :)

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I offer myself as a prime example of what happens when you don't breastfeed a baby. My mum had measles when I was a baby, so no milk for me whilst she was in hospital. Now look at me.

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I didn't think this was a thread about the benefits of breastfeeding or not. Just whether mothers had the choice to do it in public or not. I say it's up to the individual. I personally wouldn't do it, but each to their own....

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To the chap who compared breastfeeding to taking a dump - one is the human activity known as 'feeding', which is socially acceptable in public, otherwise McDonalds would be out of business. The other is the human activity known as 'defecating'. which is not socially acceptable in public, except in France. Conflating the two makes you look like either an unpleasant misogynist or someone ignorant of basic biological functions.

Now where's that petition? Will try and get the missus to sign it - the hospital kept her and baby in for four days until they got breastfeeding working, and damn good thing too.

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Petition
and
Signing it

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It's ok mate, you could probably lactate by drinking loads of beer.. no need for oestrogen pills/injections ;)

http://www.unassistedchildbirth.com/milkmen.htm

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Hmm. Power of the mind, is it? I'll never be able to listen to 'Ernie, the fastest milkman in the West' in the same way again.

In that case I'd awake on every 18th March with tits like like Jordan. This didn't happen last week, I'm glad to report.

Signed.

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This reminds me of a recent episode of ER.

Dr Susan Lewis has had a baby and Dr Carter goes into the Doctor's lounge to find her husband, Chuck, sitting there with a baby nursing at *his* "breast".

He's got some sort of tubing connected from a bottle to a nipple stuck on his nipple and says something like "oh yes, it's breast milk and it helps with father/ baby bonding etc".

Carter is looking somewhat askance and Chuck says "What's the matter, haven't you ever seen a man breast feed before?"

"Err, well, no!" replies Carter who makes a rapid exit! :D

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Just another thought. If I owned a cafe (or any other premises for that matter), I would like the right to choose whether I allow breastfeeding on my premises, not the government. Whilst I think it's the mothers prerogative to choose to breastfeed in public, I do not believe they have the right over the premises owners. Maybe one mother breastfeeding may lose that business customers, which is not a right. :shrug:

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Well it is in as much as if women cannot breastfeed in public, then they will have to either stay at home (not a bad idea for some women) or bottle feed (not good for the baby).

Petition signed.

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Where would they go, given that if this law existed they might have their delicate feelings affronted by a perfectly natural act anywhere they go publicly. They'd have to stay at home, poor dears (or preferably stop being so damned picky).

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don't try to read behind the asterisks. It was pee pee i said, not poo poo.

of course there should be nothing against feeding a baby in a fast food "restaurant" like mcdonalds. It would be stupid to suggest otherwise, but thanks again for putting words into my mouth. I just think there should be rules on where you can and can't do it, and at the end of the day it should be down to the proprietor, not the government.

I think i'll plump for "unpleasant misogynist" though. My girlfriend would be torn between the two terms, i'm sure.

Having thought about this, there should be places babies, and indeed children, can't go. Internet cafes, for one. My girlfriend works in an internet cafe, and i often pick her up from work. On the odd occasions i'm early, if she's busy i'll just jump on a computer. There's nothing more distracting than a baby screaming away in your ear. Perfectly natural again, but still undesirable in that particular setting. You wouldn't get away with it in a cinema, nor should you in plenty of other places. Note, this isn't an anti-baby or anti-woman stance, as i'm sure you'll accuse me of, it's an anti-anti-social stance. Smelly people, junkies, people with loud mobile phones, and even that bloody jamster chick for a ringtone, EVEN IF ON SILENT, should all be barred from internet cafes.

:p:

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Im sorry but I am against you there, dont you think if the baby was breast feeding, the baby would be quiet? So the child would not be screaming as it would be getting fed.

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What, babies who get breast fed don't wake up screaming? I've heard it all now.

Or are you saying that getting breast fed is the cure-all solution to babies crying?

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I agree with Pauly on that one!!!! I mean my kids had forumla and the have a dairy allergy which was proven that the formula made the kids like this. Plus Paul like the taste!!!!!!!
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No babies that are breast fed are often proven to be more contented as breast milk is more substancial than forumula plus the child can devlop various allergies in later life. Kids are kids, if they cry or not we all still love them:cool: :cool:

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Er, well speaking from experience, my kids used to nod off whilst on the breast. Most babies sleep after a feed. I wonder if your tone might change if and when you have kids (I'm guessing you don't now!). And equating breastfeeding with toileting, of any variety, is frankly, ridiculous.

As for kids in public places. My rule is simple. If they're well behaved, no bother. If they're not, bother. It's something for parents to deal with...and trust me if a parent is in charge of a persistently crying baby they are usually more keen to get out of the caff than you.

Lubes - petition signed.

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I agree with you there, if it is done properly, there is no problem, if you just lob it out and make a public spectacle of it then that is a problem. Most places where I go there is an area for mums to go and breast feed their babies:cool:

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I was kinda in two minds wether to sign the petition.

While it doesn't bother me, it bothers others. Both sides don't want to hurt one other, but have their own sincere beliefs. I think it seems unfair of the government to make a law to appease one of these groups whilst directly hurting the other.

Reading the petition, it does say "public place". It does seem even more unfair to make a mother trying to feed a hungry baby find a private place, which could be some considerable distance away. Because of that I signed the petition.

I would hope though, if it came down to a situation where one mother was breastfeeding her child, and one person was offended by it, that they would meet each other half-way at least, and both turn away, or if at a table, switch tables maybe? TBH I thought some common sense and consideration would sort out the situation, rather than having to have a law enforcing it. The same would apply to someone if they were picking their nose, biting their nails, belching or telling inappropriate jokes. It isn't illegal (the latter is a bit iffy though, but many jokes are inapproriate for kids without being illegal). If everyone took an attitude to please themselves, where would we be?

I am begining to wonder though if this isn't making a mountain out of a molehill. I have never even see a breastfeeding woman. The vast majority on here don't seem to be offended by it, so it can't be that common an occurence?

Still, signed nonetheless.

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I see what you guys are saying about the breast-fed kids being more content, but i won't stop them crying when they're in a crying mood. The problem here is with parents, mind you, not kids. Kids cry. Can't be helped.

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It is perfectly natural to some people - but not to others.... Why should other people be made to feel uncomfortable, just to make others feel more comfortable?

As I say, I don't find it offensive, but I certainly wouldn't breastfeed in public.
And can people keep the 'breast is best' argument out of this thread? It's not a relevant argument within this thread.

And PS - Yes, breastfeeding is perfectly natural to MOST mothers. But natural to do it in a crowded cafe on a saturday morning? I think not.

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Highly relevant of you're a mum who has a hungry baby that can't be breast fed because it is not allowed.

Blimey, anyone would think mothers use babies so they can go 'wahey, cop a load of my breast people.' In fact public breastfeeding is a discreet action which takes place in a society where large amounts of naked flesh are publicly displayed on billboards etc You'd having to be gazing pretty intently and closely to come across an expanse of flesh which would offend.

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Sorry, but it's not relevant. If a baby needs breast milk and a mother has to go out, she can express.

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Well I breast fed both mine, but expressing it was a nightmare and painful! :Yikes: Didn't bother in the end :(

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Anymore painful than breastfeeding?

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A lot more painful!!! :cry:

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Blimey. Apart from labour, I didn't think it got anymore painful than breastfeeding. :erm:

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Depends on the person, there are some that have had no problem expressing at all. Some that can't breastfeed, but can express.

As for the pain aspect ..... kids are a pain .... from the day they are born ...

That's not to say that they aren't a joy too, ;)

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And a friend of mine did that.

She now has stretch marks and sagging and wishes she'd just breast fed in the normal way.

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I say that women should be able to breast feed wherever they want, After all, babies don't always want to be fed in convenient places, The fact remains that for those who do not wish to watch, the ultimate form of censorship is to merely turn away. It's like those morons who write to points of view saying "I saw a program last night, which was disgusting, it had nudity in it 6 times and over the full 2 1/2 hours it was on I saw 42 nipple shots" - you have more than one channel to choose from, if what is in front of you offends you, look elsewhere.

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well i just came back off my jollys and have seen i have stirred up some good reactions.....


To the last few messages there is evidence against breastfeeding mothers expressing for fear of "nipple confusion". This is when the baby then "prefers" bottles because it's so much easier to suck a bottle than to suckle on the breast.

Thank you to all who have signed the petition.

Just wanted to add a little on the end for you all.

I have three children of my own. All Formula fed, one who has severe milk allergies. I am in no way opposing formula fed babies or the mothers who choose to fed their babies in this way, what i would like to see (in a perfect world) is where mums can feed their babies in any way they choose wherever they are!

Cheers,

Claire X