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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005122462,00.html

I really don't want to see scenes like this in Britain - so to the "string them up" types, what do you think about the above?

Do you want your children to see that sort of thing?

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ahh, good old iran. (note, the second picture isn't printed in the sun). we watched lots and lots of videos of what goes on in Iran in my RS lessons at seconday school, yes lots of them involved people hanging from cranes, being whipped and stoned. that's what they do to people who flaunt the law over there... :erm:

personally i think that these things are best done behind closed doors than on massive cranes in the middle of a stadium :shrug:

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Well,

I agree with the lashings, but not with the stabbing or the hanging

I would have no objection to my child see a man get 100 lashes becuase after seeing it, It would be doubtful that he would put himself in a position to receive such a punishment.

It wasn't that long ago you could still get Birched in the I.O.M.

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Personally id say sexuall abuse of children shud be nothing short of life per offence no chance of parole. At least then if the conviction falls down in the future becasue they were really innocent then they can be released.

What happens in Iran is just kinda extreme, especially as Id bet there was no fair trial etc

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You should see the pictures in the Daily Mail much more graphic.

And yes no harm in a good beatting for people like him. He wont do it again will he.

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judging by the pic of him hanging from a crane by the neck I doubt it

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Well since he's dead, probably not. :dozey:

I don't see the point in flogging (and stabbing) him, then hanging him, surely just one or the other.

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I know I did read the article.

So you dont mind the flogging him?
And you dont mind the stabbing?
And you dont mind the hanging?

But all 3 is a bit ott? :shrug:
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Life with no parole and the slippiest soap known to man would be just as good tho and a damn slight more civil, just in case the conviction was incorrect ;)

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Yes agree to a point. I dont think we need to go into the soap and shower thing eh? ;)

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No.

I don't see the point of it.

No.

Yes. If his punishment is to be hanged, then why flog and stab him first. In fact, why did they stab him at all ?.

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I can sometimes see why people would call for the death penalty - some crimes are so truly horrific that sometimes I tend to think so too.
However, these calls for the ultimate penalty seem more often to be based on the nature of the crime, rather than the nature of the conviction. Of course some would argue that even incontrovertible may not be enough.

But, if you're going to do it, then you have to be prepared to do it in public - not only because otherwise it becomes a tool of the state, but also because any deterrent effect is completely lost.

That said, considering the case we're talking of is a country where they have no compunction about this kind of thing and where justice is presumed to be less than blind, it would appear that it obviously doesn't deter as much as one might hope. Unless, of course, you want to argue that possibly the man hadn't done anything like it at all, and it was just a malicious prosecution.

On balance, it would seem that not having the death sentence certainly avoids the potential abuses of the system. However, it also means that a jury doesn't have to struggle quite as hard for a guilty verdict.
When I see the evidence in some of those rough justice cases, I wonder how they ever arrived at a guilty verdict. It also bothers me that in many of these cases because new evidence is hard or nigh impossible to find it can take way too long for an appeal to be heard.

So just because we don't have the death sentence, doesn't mean that people aren't destroyed by the legal system - if you're finally found innocent after 10 years or so there is no adequate compensation for what has been done to the person, and often the life they had is gone forever.
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Revenge. Pure and simple. (It was the brother of one of the victims that did that.)

Seems that wasn't part of the punishment, as such:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/17/in...st/17iran.html
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http://www.richard.clark32.btinterne.../hanging2.html

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I personally would love this sort of punishment to be dished out in Britain, I just wouldnt subject my child to viewing it, it was no less than the animal deserved, infact it was probably too quick a death for him.

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as i idly wonder what the crime rate is in iran , good enough for him i say , extreme but good enough for him , would i want it in this country , probably not , but maybe just the threat of it would be good enough :erm:

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In answer to the question, no. The taking of another's life - particularly in such a gruesome way - by the State cannot to my mind be justified. We just become animals too.

I'm pretty disgusted that the Press thinks it's acceptable to publish such graphic pictures too.

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This is very remeniscant of the philosophy behind starship troopers.
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Ah now this I don't agree with (for a change ;)) because you don't do these things expecting to be caught. So I don't see these things as any kind of threat or dissuasion from comitting the crime.

But that's just what I think.

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i did say maybe :erm: :D

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we need something like that here, prison isnt a deterent any more. Capital Punishment might be though. However youve always got the issue of mis justice. At the end of the day why should we have to pay to support these people ;)

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:clap: Well said :tu:

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And I SO wanted to violently disagree with you for a change too :(;)

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While I have posted a few string em up, itâ₠¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢s more of a frustration statement, as our judicial system does not work. Time and time again I hear of people coming forward and allege they were sexually abused as a child but the authorities just put them on a slow burner for investigation in hope the accused person will die of old age or the medical condition they purport to have.

But back to your question would I like my child to see this. Defiantly not, but that is their way of dealing with this person who snuffed out 20 plus young lives for his own sexual gratification.

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Some will probably be suprised that I disagree with the stabbing, but the lashing and hanging is fair punishment for the crime.

I guess Iran just has a policy to the other extreme, compared to the way we have gone in this country!

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NB - The stabbing was not part of the punishment.

Quote:

A relative of one of the victims broke police security and attacked Bijeh with a knife, wounding his back before police dragged him away.

They're obviously not unanimous on the subject either:

Both quotes from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...p/iran_hanging

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:sick: Thanks Russ, just tucked into my turkey salad butty as I read this :erm:

As a victim of crime recently I'm all for harsher punishments but this is way going over the top. Give him the lashings for sure but stabbing and then hanging is a nono in my book. Given the number of people that have been the victims of miscarriages of justice I can't see how we can justify capital punishment in any country, think I'll put Iran on my list of countries not to visit :erm:

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Those punishments (stabbing, and the woman slapping him, and putting the noose round his neck) are largely symbolic... To let help the victims' families achieve some kind of closure that they wouldn't feel if he went to a nice prison for the rest of his life. The lashes are just help deter people from it and make a bit of a public spectical of it all.

I'd like to think those kind of punishments would work, but I am not sure somehow... I mean people in Iran must know this is what will happen to them, yet they still think they can get away with it? What can you do really? Lashing the b*****d, sorry, convict, until he stops kicking might be one way, but although it might satistify some, i'm not sure it will deter anyone... What can you do really?

I do like the idea of the symbolic punishments though. We are all different, and while some here think they'd get over it with imprisonment, not everyone can deal with so easily.

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I'm not a big fan of Iran....... but Yeaaaaah, slow hang that murdering pervert, but only after flogging him. None of this namby-pamby quick drop, broken neck you got in European hangings.

Oh really, well thanks very much from an ex-squaddie, who you consider to be an animal. It must be really nice to have other people willing to kill and die to keep you safe.

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I'm sure in battle you have kill-or-be-killed situations. When people you are defending are threatened by death, you are authorised to kill. I'd consider that to be different from a nation or section of society who want someone executed that way when other possibilities are available.

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I was a sniper Russ, and snipers rarely do kill-or-be-killed stiuations. That sorta defeats the exercise of stalking your target, and taking one deliberate aimed killing shot. So in a way, to the uniniatated, sniping is rather like execution.

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My man is in Iraq at the moment. Didnt' mention it before. I do not class him as an animal for defending himself or other Iraqies. I don't class the Iranians as animals either. However, I don't particularly approve of the punishment because I am viewing it from a Western set of morals, I am not an Iranian and hterefore not educated in their ways of dealing with crimes of this nature.

If we were to bring back hanging here I wonder how many would be actually hung. Anyone remember the Brady and Hindley trial (Moors Murders) ? Weren't they unworried becasue they knew hanging had just been outlawed by the state ? But haven't they both received a just punishment by having their liberties removed from them. Hindley died in prison and it looks as though Brady will too. Good enough for them because of the crimes they committed.

Having said that I can't see Britain adopting the IRanian way of dealing with criminals. They still cut your hands off there if you are caught stealing a handkerchief. The still stone both partries to death if you are caught in an adulterous relationship. ( http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul2.htm and also http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm (*WARNING: GRAPHIC VIDEO) and http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Stoning4.htm )

I suppose thats why I see this punishment as extreme. If we are all purptedly members of the human race, why do some of us acts in extreme ways ?

Sian

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I hope he comes home to you safe and sound Sian, and I dont think hes an animal, believe me. I was out there for Gulf One, so I know what its like out there (or rather, have some idea what its like out there).

Personally I'd have rather see them hang for their crimes. That way we (the tax payers) wouldnt have had to pay to house, feed and cloth these two *animals* for the last 40ish years.