Why would US shoot released Italian hostage?
 

The current furore over the shooting of the Italian 'agent' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4328551.stm really is bizarre.

None of it makes any sense, as the US have nothing to gain by her death (or that of the agent(s) that secured her release) and everything to lose.

I am in no doubt that the Italian government is handing over ransom money to get their hostages released, and that is a very difficult issue. Since they're bound to be significant sums, I'm sure that they could fuel the insurgency (although where these people are going to spend any of that money...) and that it's in direct opposition to the 'no negotiation' approach that has been developed over the years.

But despite all of that, I still can't see that it provides enough 'motive'.

And in any case, by then it was too late for it to change anything.

So, could there be an ulterior motive on the part of the Italians to make this allegation? Maybe they haven't been as upfront about their activities as they say - in which case throwing allegations like that around is bound to muddy the waters sufficiently to avoid the truth to be discovered.
And since so many people are only too ready to think the worst of the Americans, they could hardly go wrong, could they?

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I think its down to the rules 'we do not negotiate with terrorist'

The Ialians did.

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Even if the Italians did negoiate with terrorists, why would the US try and kill her deliberatel, in spite?

I read a BBC report about it the other day. She truely is away with the fairies. What she was saying wasn't even sane, let alone logical. Then you find out she works for a far-left-wing paper and see her possible motivation.

Lets look at the facts though... A car was speeding to a US armed checkpoint. It ignored vocal requests to stop. It then ignored hand signals to stop. It then ignored warning shots to stop. Considering most cars that do that have a habit of blowing themselves up, killing US soldiers, the next step would be to neutralise the threat.

God knows why the car didn't just stop like it was supposed to.

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Erm they were travelling at speed directly towards a road blocked guarded by armed personel whose role was to make sure no vehicle breached the checkpoint without first stopping to be checked.
The car refused to stop or acknowledge the request to stop, the soldiers fired warning shots, the car continued, the soldiers fired upon the car to stop it.

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Or for the Black Helicoptor brigade she had information about the US using banned weapons in Fallujah?

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_422083.htm

Personally I think the American soldiers were just trigger happy and saw a car coming towards them which didn't stop immediately and opened up on it. It wouldn't be the 1st time they have jumped the gun and started shooting before all the warning options are exhausted.

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Highly dubious accusation. Considering the coverage we had of that assault, I think we'd have known by now.
And when they start claiming the use of napalm/nuclear weapons it really starts sounding like they had magic mushrooms before they spoke.

But as I said before, where America is concerned some people will (choose to) believe anything.

If every time a car came racing at you it ended up blowing up and killing people I think you'd develop a rather prejudicial disposition towards speeding cars.

I'm not sure if I was there I could always remember to go through the 'checklist' of warnings - one warning too many might cost you your life!

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Just what I was going to write :tu:

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The American military is renouned for being for being extremely trigger happy. I saw what they where like during Gulf One. On more than one occasion Apache helocopters hit American military convoys with Hellfire Missiles and 30mm HE chaingun fire. They really are a bunch of cowboys, and may soldiers from many countries say the same.

A mate of mine who is still in the Army, told me that when his unit was deployed to Iraq, they where issued Starstreak Misslies. These wherent to defend against Iraqi military plains, but self defence incase the US Airforce A10 pilots decided to ''expend live ordenance'' on friendly forces. Scary or what ?

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... says the US Military.



The Italian foreign minister tells a different story. Not speeding, well lit, shot at without warning.



If the Italian version of events is true, it would hardly be the first time that trigger happy soldiers have - without warning - shot the hell out of a car & its occupants at a checkpoint in Iraq.

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Apparently the US 3rd Infantry Division (who where responsible for this shooting) have something of a history of ''malloting'' cars at checkpoints.

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I suspect that the truth is somewhere in the middle with the Americans feeling very vunerable to speeding cars. :(

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Yep, I've just read something mentioning that:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...432656,00.html

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Just because they are trigger-happy does not mean they were targetting the Italian journalist or her escort.

Which is what the accusation is.

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True. Although I never said they targetted them. Just that they could have been trigger happy - a different accusation, & one which there is precedent for. I was also replying to Paul & pointing out that the Italian government does not agree with the US military's version of events.

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Sorry - not meant as a criticism of your comment, since I agree that Americans do seem to have a rather gung-ho approach.

My main argument here is that just because they're arrogant cowboys doesn't mean that we have to let the Italians get away with scurrilous accusations either.

It's just that as the case builds up to show that the Americans can't control their trigger finger, it almost becomes assumed that the Italian accusation must be true.

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Christ, the US soldiers really seem to be a bunch of assh*les :(

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Having spent time working in America I got to understand them a lot better. They're not that much different from you & me, but their country is way different to ours and their history is nothing like ours.

Still, every time something like this comes along I feel so upset/embarrased/annoyed that they've let themselves down in this way.

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the italians gave the Insurgents Millions of $'s so they can Buy more weapons to go on and Kill many more hundreds of Allied troops, furthermore if the US wanted her dead THEY WOULD HAVE KILLED HER ALREADY!!!

shes a Communist Bitch who was an outspoken Critic of the US and the war, she had No regret in knowing that the Millions payed for her release will cause the deaths of So many more people, the itallians have now have Blood on there hands.

I wish the US troops had killed the Stupid woman.]

and enough of the US bashing here, there normal people liek you and me (in a sort), its pitiful to think you consider yourselves superior to an American Citizen just because the Press likes to Show them in a Bad light all the time.

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US troops get training to avoid friendly-fire attacks on British


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I'm not having a go at Americans as such, just the soldiers.....

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And their soldiers are not American?
The point I was making was that some of their 'behaviour' (i.e. allowing their adrenaline/emotions to overpower them in the stress of the combat situation) is possibly down to their cultural makeup.
I'm trying to understand, rather than excuse, as I think that kind of incompetence is inexcusable for a nation like theirs.

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I think the problem lies in that the US army has gentler punishments for everything. Over there, what might get you a reduced rank, could get you jail time in the UK. So the UK soldiers will always check more thoughly than the US will, there's more at stake.

Another great political cartoon by Cox And Forkum:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives...ofEngage-X.gif

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:rofl: classy.

I have a American GF who also states the US military are far to gung ho, but this shooting of this woman, something does not ring right, although the conspiracy people will be all over this one.

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doh! I already said that I'm just having a go at American soldiers......not Americans as such.
I've not read any reports of Poles, British, Iraqis etc having to have extra lessons in recognising allies.
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