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Dave Stones 24-02-2005 23:14

paypal - urgent advice needed
 
Yes, here i am. I have checked my paypal account, just recently sold something on ebay so was planning to withdraw the funds. someone has got hold of my details though, there is a transaction dated on the 22nd feb for £430/$800. i would never spend this much through paypal. i have filed a complaint with paypal, and it says that it will take 10 days to come to an end before they can do anything.

is there anything else i can do, contacat hsbc or whatever? the funds are going to be debited from my maestro card in my current account, which will mean i wll go overdrawn... :(

*hates the internet now*

etccarmageddon 24-02-2005 23:21

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nightmare. :(

Paul 24-02-2005 23:23

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Report your card details as stolen and they will freeze the account from any new transactions

Keytops 24-02-2005 23:26

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From that I assume the funds are going to be withdrawn from your HSBC account - in which case contact them ASAP and stop the transaction. Explain what's happend and they should be able to stop it. Paypal normally take a few days for a transaction like that to go through (so much for electronic transfers), so there time for it to be stopped. I'd also try and ring Paypal - the number is on this page http://www.paypal.com/uk/cgi-bin/web..._contact-phone

danielf 24-02-2005 23:26

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I don't know how paypal works, but doesn't a maestro transaction require your authorization for every transaction? (i.e. can you not stop the money being taken from your bank account)

Dave Stones 24-02-2005 23:41

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well, ive just got my card stopped. hopefully ive had this done in time to stop the transaction going through :(

as far as maestro authorisation goes, im not sure. used to be a switch card, and that was fine... :)

Paulie 24-02-2005 23:49

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From what i can remember, you can also contact the seller (other end of the transaction) and let them know. That way they might be able to stop shipment.

Richard M 24-02-2005 23:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Stones
well, ive just got my card stopped. hopefully ive had this done in time to stop the transaction going through :(

as far as maestro authorisation goes, im not sure. used to be a switch card, and that was fine... :)

It doesn't make any difference what type of card it is, you'll still get ripped off.

Dave Stones 24-02-2005 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie
From what i can remember, you can also contact the seller (other end of the transaction) and let them know. That way they might be able to stop shipment.

i would if i knew who the seller was...somewhere in the middle of the USA is all i know. It says This transaction is subject to a buyer complaint or a chargeback. at the bottom of the transaction now though, which makes me feel a little easier. It's the fact that this transaction happened and I didn't get an email response about it that is making me a little uneasy. Anyway all my plastic has been cancelled and every password has been changed to some obscure sequence of numbers and symbols now. Ah well *big sigh*
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Originally Posted by Richard M
It doesn't make any difference what type of card it is, you'll still get ripped off.

noo, i meant fine about authorisation. I've never had to manually authorize anything with switch, so am assuming maestro is the same?:shrug:

bopdude 24-02-2005 23:56

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hope it comes right for you mate :tu:

Richard M 24-02-2005 23:59

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I feel like cancelling my Paypal account, or at least removing my credit card information...

Dave Stones 25-02-2005 00:00

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i am, as soon as this all blows over... old fashioned cheque and postal order all the way for dave now. i'm spooked... Gone through my emails and everything and there is nothing to suggest that I made this transaction.... *baffled*

Paulie 25-02-2005 00:05

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If you log on to your paypal account and view all transactions, then find the dodgy one and hit the details link. It`ll come up with what, and who etc.....

Marge 25-02-2005 00:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
I feel like cancelling my Paypal account, or at least removing my credit card information...

I have to say I logged straight onto my Paypal account just to make sure nothing dodgy had occured :erm:

Richard M 25-02-2005 00:06

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Out of pure, old fashioned paranoia I've removed all credit card info from my Paypal account - not because of this but because I've been considering it for a long time.
I'lll just have to find a different, more secure way of paying my web host...

nffc 25-02-2005 00:09

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paypal is ****e anyway, I don't have any inclination to use it whatsoever.

Earl of Bronze 25-02-2005 00:14

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Originally Posted by Debsy42
I have to say I logged straight onto my Paypal account just to make sure nothing dodgy had occured :erm:

Just did the same myself, thankfully all is well with no activity in the last year. :D

Seti 25-02-2005 01:27

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I was going to set up a paypal account untill I relaised I would have to give my bank details and me being me I ain't a good banker. (hmm I did spell that right ? ) Paypal seems to have a lot of problems. Funds not going where they should, funds going missing, continuous removal of funds by persons unknown and so on. Anyway the upshot is i decided not to open the account.

One of the admin on a network i co-own decided to use paypal to pay his shell accounts on. Well the hassle !! To cap paypal allowed 4 transactions from the shell providers that weren't legal. Apparent;y the shell providers do not like paypal either, they said they were doing it to show how WEAK the system actually is. He now uses no-chex, another system i refuse to conetemplate.

Sian

SMHarman 25-02-2005 07:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danielf
I don't know how paypal works, but doesn't a maestro transaction require your authorization for every transaction? (i.e. can you not stop the money being taken from your bank account)

You cannot set up a continuous payment authority from a Maestro, Solo or Visa Debit card (as you should set up a direct debit instead). All transactions on all cards require approval, but the actions of going into your secure paypal account and creating the transaction indicate your approval of the transaction (in a CNP-Cardholder Not Present) environment.

Richard M 25-02-2005 07:17

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Originally Posted by SMHarman
You cannot set up a continuous payment authority from a Maestro, Solo or Visa Debit card (as you should set up a direct debit instead).

Are you sure?
Nildram (my ISP) were able to set up my monthly payment on a Maestro card by me filling in a form on their site.

Dave Stones 25-02-2005 07:45

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seems to have been resolved. the seller has refunded my money, he had no idea where this transaction came from either. slight problem though, the £430 has not been taken from my bank account but the sellerhas credited my paypal account with it.... :erm:

think i will leave it in my paypal account until all this blows over *scared*
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Originally Posted by Richard M
Are you sure?
Nildram (my ISP) were able to set up my monthly payment on a Maestro card by me filling in a form on their site.

i think maybe what they do is hold your details on record, and then when it comes to payment time they simply drag their details up from their database and do a CNP transaction?

much like paypal seems to do...

etccarmageddon 25-02-2005 08:31

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just removed my bank account and credit card from my paypal account as I hardly ever use it. when I opened netscape and went to paypal.com it already has preinserted the email address and password of her indoors's paypal account - scarey!

zoombini 25-02-2005 08:55

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So your paypal account has £430 in it and paypal do not have your cc info, neither has the money been taken from your account (yet).

Cancelling cards might sound like it stops money being taken, but sometimes they (banks) still let through things that are in the pipeline.

So you can either be honest & wait to see if paypal take the money back or take it & run.... :D

SMHarman 25-02-2005 10:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard M
Are you sure?
Nildram (my ISP) were able to set up my monthly payment on a Maestro card by me filling in a form on their site.

As has been said above these are probably new CNP transactions each month.
I'm sure that if you are using HSBC merchant services to process cards then what I said is fact.
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Originally Posted by zoombini
So your paypal account has £430 in it and paypal do not have your cc info, neither has the money been taken from your account (yet).

Cancelling cards might sound like it stops money being taken, but sometimes they (banks) still let through things that are in the pipeline.

So you can either be honest & wait to see if paypal take the money back or take it & run.... :D

Being as you have reported this stuff, they card issuer will review the card transactions in the next week or so and so will paypal. You will be best leaving these funds there and letting this work itself out (and probably fessing up if it does not). After all there could be someone else out there seriously out of pocket if you take the money and run. You would not like to be in that position would you?

TheBlueRaja 25-02-2005 11:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Stones
seems to have been resolved. the seller has refunded my money, he had no idea where this transaction came from either. slight problem though, the £430 has not been taken from my bank account but the sellerhas credited my paypal account with it.... :erm:

SWEET!!!

Lucky son of a... Wish i was that lucky.

Dave Stones 25-02-2005 11:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBlueRaja
SWEET!!!

Lucky son of a... Wish i was that lucky.

i have withdrawn the money to my bank account, until this all gets sorted, taht way if/when it has to be paid back to paypal i can at least make a small amount of interest on the error :)

still dont know where this money is coming from though. I cancelled my direct debit ASAP with paypal last night when i was cancelling my cards too. probably will get some angry bailiff around soon to take my kneecaps away :erm:

TheBlueRaja 25-02-2005 11:37

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Word to the wise Quimby - dont make cheque's your butt cant cash.

Dave Stones 02-03-2005 12:00

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this situation gets more interesting day by day. quick update:

the direct debit of £430 was taken from my account, however hsbc did a chargeback of this so that it's ok and hasnt actually been taken. paypal then credited my bank account with £430 from my paypal account, which is now -£430. This is because a payment from paypal to my paypal account is being held, which will be confirmed and allowed to go ahead if i re-verify my account in the next 7 days, they are sending out some code on a piece of paper to do this.

anyway, helpful as hsbc were, i am washing my hands of them. i have to wait until next wednesday for my debit card to arrive, this is completely unacceptable to me. so, i am applying for a new account at lloyds tsb and am going to close my hsbc one. 2 weeks without a current account makes life very difficult... :(

gary_580 02-03-2005 12:31

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What did HSBC do wrong? It was Paypal surely ???

Dave Stones 02-03-2005 12:33

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Originally Posted by gary_580
What did HSBC do wrong? It was Paypal surely ???

that's true, but hsbc also said that it would be two working days to get my new card from when i cancelled it, but now it wont be here until next week. that's the unacceptable thing...

TigaSefi 02-03-2005 13:02

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Normally it takes 3-5 days for any bank to issue a new card.

Dave Stones 02-03-2005 13:06

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i'm aware of that, i left it 4 days to collect my card then trailed into town today to pick it up. helpful lady went to look for it in the back wherever they keep cards, came back and said she couldnt find it, but could find out when it was coming in. came back again and said that it would be tuesday 8th at the earliest. see where i'm coming from? it's quite poor...

...they also refuse to increase my credit limit to take into account the increased spending i'm doing on my card to compensate for not having a debit card to do things. crap bank :(

Tuftus 04-03-2005 22:30

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In one way or another all banks are Crap, Dave imo...

Money in the mattress is the way, lol!

;)

KingPhoenix 05-03-2005 09:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Stones
i'm aware of that, i left it 4 days to collect my card then trailed into town today to pick it up. helpful lady went to look for it in the back wherever they keep cards, came back and said she couldnt find it, but could find out when it was coming in. came back again and said that it would be tuesday 8th at the earliest. see where i'm coming from? it's quite poor...

...they also refuse to increase my credit limit to take into account the increased spending i'm doing on my card to compensate for not having a debit card to do things. crap bank :(

Why dont you transfer the funds from you current account to your credit card, clearing off the balance a bit... i know with natwest i can do this over the phone or online


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